TrebleChamp:
Some comments here have shown that a lot of peeps never watch prime Maradona or R9 play this beautiful game, they watch a Messi playing for arguably the greatest Barcelona team with Xavi and Iniesta and crowned in the GOAT. Same Messi that has failed to take Argentina National Tean anywhere, same Messi Argentinians don't rate highly. George Best was a very gifted player, who performed Magic on the pitch as a Manchester United player, won champions league and best player of the tournament and also won the Ballon d'or. He was never rated a true great cos he didn't do much with his National Team. Winning just Club trophies and golden boots doesn't make you the GOAT, Messi should add the World Cup and totally dominate the tournament like Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele and even Zidane did before we can rate him that highly. Until then Maradona remain the undisputed GOAT...

Lol, you must be wishing so badly that everyone in the world will follow your idea of who is the greatest

SyIvalord:
Bring Grealish in to do what? VDB can't even get minutes and you want us to buy another attacking midfielder? Should we go about buying players even though we don't need them just because they are on form? Pogba should be sold and replaced with a world class CDM.

Ur right but looking back now we shud v bought Grealish instead of VDB.As per playing time dats entirely on Ole.Maybe VDB has nt impressed enough to guarantee regular playing time

melodyogonna:

Lol, you must be wishing so badly that everyone in the world will follow your idea of who is the greatest

Nah, just stating what i saw of this players...

randomperson:


Maldini only played for one club and never won any international trophy, does that make Pique better than him?? All these parameters you people use are just ridiculous...

And you are mentioning Robinho who was basically a flop at Madrid.

Messi has scored 26 goals against the best teams in the premier league. 26! And he has never played in the league. No single player ever has a better goal per match average against premier league clubs...

Ultimately, Messi is currently regarded by the majority of professional footballers, managers and pundits as the best of his generation and all time... but you want to somehow convince us that he is not even the best Argentine player of all time...

This assertion is at best a fraudulent one
Even if all the angels and demons give their opinion of how Messi is the best thing after sliced bread....we all know they're biased... it's all in the accomplishments for one to know who the actual G.O.A.T is...and it can never ever be Messi

Expert17:


West Brom and Stoke get defence pass Athletico Madrid

As reported by the "experts"

In your opinion, what country is historically the best at producing:

Goalkeepers
Defenders
Midfielder
Forwards

For me it's Italy for defenders and Spain for midfielders. I'm not sure about the other two.

TrebleChamp:
We are talking Maradona, Ronaldo de Lima, Zidane, Pele and CR7, you are mentioning Scholes and Giggs. Are you for real man?

This u?

TrebleChamp:
All the great players moved around different leagues to test themselves

thorrvik55:


This u?

And by that i meant Ronaldo, Maradona, Zidane, CR7 and even Zlatan. You get it now?

engrelvis:
I watch England/Belgium match yesterday. We better start making arrangements to buy Grealish. If Liverpool or man city get hold of him we r in trouble

Is like u've not learnt anything from Sanchez deal.

Graelish is obviously turning out to be a fine player than many of us expected. But if we buy Graelish, wetin we wan use am do? What will happen to VDB?
We already have a decent midfield, what we need is to sell Pogba and buy a RW, ST and a world class DM so we can stop using 2 players(Fred & McTom) to do the job of one man.

------------New DM--------------

---VDB-----------------Bruno---

--RW------Not Martial-----Rashford--

This lineup should be able to beat most teams even in the hands of a mumu like OGS.

If Graelish ends up going to Liverpool or City, then good luck to him. As Fred and McTom aren't exactly the most inspiring options to put on the bench, it will only make sense to buy Graelish if we get him cheap like we got VDB

Messi is the greatest of his generation, but is no where near Diego Amando Maradona and Ronaldo de Lima. Hope Messi fans are happy now

Let's all pretend Like the Messi and Guardiola era in Barca was not a well arranged fraud in Football


Fraudiola and his squad of con men mostly rode on the bias of FIFA in favour of Barca


The biggest and most obvious act of fraud in Football was perpetrated by Pep in 2009 UCL and Chelsea was the victim....not to talk of the sending off of Pepe in 2011 UCL
where Madrid was the victim



It is for this reason that no reasonable individual should ever take Messi and Guardiola seriously.... because they were backed by FiFA and there wasn't much pressure on them


We all know the clear winner of the 2010 Ballon ...but


Why I dey shalaye sef


Long story short....Messi and Guardiola are the two biggest frauds in the history of football

Most fraudulent player
Most fraudulent Manager


If e pain you...you know what to do

TrebleChamp:
And by that i meant Ronaldo, Maradona, Zidane, CR7 and even Zlatan. You get it now?

TrebleChamp:
All the great players moved around different leagues to test themselves

Scholes and Giggs, were they Great players?

How about Xavi/Iniesta??

A simple Yes or No would do.. Thanks

Agenda must Agenda I guess..

Wot has being a journey man got to do with being a Great player?? A league that the likes of run run Sterling dominate is the one Messi would struggle in.

engrelvis:
Ur right but looking back now we shud v bought Grealish instead of VDB.As per playing time dats entirely on Ole.Maybe VDB has nt impressed enough to guarantee regular playing time

Ole doesn't want to give vdb chance to play because he wanted Sancho

LostMyZeal:
Let's all pretend Like the Messi and Guardiola era in Barca was not a well arranged fraud in Football


Fraudiola and his squad of con men mostly rode on the bias of FIFA in favour of Barca


The biggest and most obvious act of fraud in Football was perpetrated by Pep in 2009 UCL and Chelsea was the victim....not to talk of the sending off of Pepe in 2011 UCL
where Madrid was the victim



It is for this reason that no reasonable individual should ever take Messi and Guardiola seriously.... because they were backed by FiFA and there wasn't much pressure on them


We all know the clear winner of the 2010 Ballon ...but


Why I dey shalaye sef


Long story short....Messi and Guardiola are the two biggest frauds in the history of football

Most fraudulent player
Most fraudulent Manager


If e pain you...you know what to do

After reading the first paragraph, I knew you were going to mention Chelsea.

During the last Copa America, Brazilian players were quick to remind Messi of Barcelona deeds when he suggested that the officials were partial.

But let's leave that sha. Just imagine Guardiola has not been able to win a UCL since leaving Barcelona.

thorrvik55:




Scholes and Giggs, were they Great players?

How about Xavi/Iniesta??

A simple Yes or No would do.. Thanks

Oga this argument was about Messi, Maradona, Ronaldo and CR7. Stick to this line of discourse biko..

thorrvik55:
Agenda must Agenda I guess..

Wot has being a journey man got to do with being a Great player?? A league that the likes of run run Sterling dominate is the one Messi would struggle in.

Was Giggs, Scholes and the other players you listed ever rated as the GOAT? Na you dey introduce needless agenda here..

TrebleChamp:
Oga this argument was about Messi, Maradona, Ronaldo and CR7. Stick to this line of discourse biko..

Let me just get something straight, Messi, Maradona, Ronaldo and CR7 are the only great players to have played the round leather game?

thorrvik55:

Let me just get something straight, Messi, Maradona, Ronaldo and CR7 are the only great players to have played the round leather game?

Who do you think is football GOAT?

Bunsenbun:
only youtube videos i am still in my early 20s

Ahaaa....no wonder you're polluting this thread with yeye bias


Your Messi should never ever be compared to CR7 in any fvckin way...cos he's a fraud...and that is evident in his last 4 conquerous years in UCL


CR7 all through his career had to do things under enormous pressure and he handled it quite well
The man was not or I should say is not as Loved as Messi most likely cos your Messi appears gentle and CR7 is perceived to be arrogant.


Your beloved messi has had to make empty promises in his career with real and fake retirements in-between
If baba is not blaming the grass on the pitch he's blaming the ball because it is too light or he's blaming his teammates....and such a person is supposed to be a leader

If Messi is not a hypocrite ....why would he say the conmebol were hell bent on favouring Brazil over Argentina
But when he had xavi and Iniesta with Guardiola coaching them and FIFA was helping them do Ojoro upandan ...he enjoyed the fraud


Messi is just a cry baby that throws unnecessary tantrums when he is not favored cos he prolly thinks football revolves around him
And then he fools people with his calm demeanor...whereas; behind that fraudulent face, there's this outburst of arrogance begging to be unleashed



Don't ever compare that Hypocrite called Messi with the Likes of CR7 and Ibrahimovic... it's fvckin preposterous

Same way no one should ever compare the fraud called Guardiola with the likes of Klopp and Mourinho


#dropsMic

Karleb:


After reading the first paragraph, I knew you were going to mention Chelsea.

During the last Copa America, Brazilian players were quick to remind Messi of Barcelona deeds when he suggested that the officials were partial.

But let's leave that sha. Just imagine Guardiola has not been able to win a UCL since leaving Barcelona.

Exactly bro...they think we're idiots
Messi is nothing but tantrum-throwing hypocrite and Guardiola is a fraud

TrebleChamp:
Who do you think is football GOAT?

I rate Maradonna higher than Messi (not cos Messi did not win trophy for Argentina or he did not move from one league to the other)..

Karleb:


You accuse others of what you also do.

This is talk isn't about Martial who is obviously my favorite, it's about Messi in comparison with other greats for I am of the opinion that the only other greats that can hold their own against him includes; Ronaldo De Lima, Pele and Maradona and I cited their football intelligence, dribbling abilities, goal scoring (bar Maradona) and ability to create chances almost at will...

You can't dismiss Messi on the basis of the fact that he played all of his football at Barcelona when we all celebrate the likes of Totti, Gerard, Terry, Scholes, Giggs, Xavi etc...It is even funny when you consider the fact that whilst in LA Liga, the likes of Aguero, Silva, Cesc and others before them didn't do a quarter of what Messi did...

patrickmuf:
This is talk isn't about Martial who is obviously my favorite, it's about Messi in comparison with other greats for I am of the opinion that the only other greats that can hold their own against him includes; Ronaldo De Lima, Pele and Maradona and I cited their football intelligence, dribbling abilities, goal scoring (bar Maradona) and ability to create chances almost at will...

You can't dismiss Messi on the basis of the fact that he played all of his football at Barcelona when we all celebrate the likes of Totti, Gerard, Terry, Scholes, Giggs, Xavi etc...It is even funny when you consider the fact that whilst in LA Liga, the likes of Aguero, Silva, Cesc and others before them didn't do a quarter of what Messi did...

Your opinion is your opinion, I have nothing against that.

I am only concerned about your previous post I quoted. You accused others of being sentimental then in the second paragraph, you made a sentimental comment.




The only way to know if Messi will perform outside La Liga is for Messi to leave LA Liga.
I sincerely don't blame whoever thinks Messi will not perform outside La Liga because he has been abysmal in the national team. That might be a strong determinant.

Lana1:
Is like u've not learnt anything from Sanchez deal.

Graelish is obviously turning out to be a fine player than many of us expected. But if we buy Graelish, wetin we wan use am do? What will happen to VDB?
We already have a decent midfield, what we need is to sell Pogba and buy a RW, ST and a world class DM so we can stop using 2 players(Fred & McTom) to do the job of one man.

------------New DM--------------

---VDB-----------------Bruno---

--RW------Not Martial-----Rashford--

This lineup should be able to beat most teams even in the hands of a mumu like OGS.

If Graelish ends up going to Liverpool or City, then good luck to him. As Fred and McTom aren't exactly the most inspiring options to put on the bench, it will only make sense to buy Graelish if we get him cheap like we got VDB

Just a question

But do you know that Grealish can play comfortably on any of the wings?

Why dem sign facundo if dem no go play am.

randomperson:


Messi would have survived the tackles. Messi started his football in South America where they play football like thugs... he has also faced Ramos, Pepe and the entire Atletico Madrid defence multiple times

Besides, one of Messi's greatest abilities is the ability to ride tackles

Btw, Maradona played in the 80s and 90s when football rules were already somewhat developed. I can as well say that Maradona would not have survived what Pele survived in the 70s, therefore Pele is greater

Defending was it its best in the 80s and early 90s. I am a Pele fan and appreciate his achievements but prior to the mid to late 60s teams did not really pay much attention to defending in numbers or setting low blocks or organizational defending.

The defending in the 50s and early to mid 60s was mainly individual and physical rather than systemic and tactical. There is a reason why we have several all time great forwards and midfielders from the 30s, 40, 50s like Meazza, Matthews, Leonidas, Ademir, the Magic Magyars e.t.c but no/few all time great defenders.

From the 70s to the 80s to the early 90s we had a combination of the physicality of the era of Pele and the tactical discipline of the modern era. Defenders will mark with intelligence and excellent organization and still kick you senseless in the process. Also that was the last time defenders were chosen purely because of their ability to lockdown and prevent goals and not partly for their footballing ability.

The most difficult time to be an attacking player in football was in the 80s and early 90s.

It's been a while England had a balance squad like this . I wish southgate would stop using that 3-4-3 system and move to a standard 4-3-3 formation.


Sterling/Rashford Kane. Sancho/Sterling


Grealish


Henderson/Dier. Rice/Mount



Chilwell. Mag. Gomez. Walker/TAA

There is so much creativity and finishing prowess in that team plus players from the bench in Foden, Greenwood,Etc

Karleb:


Your opinion is your opinion, I have nothing against that.

I am only concerned about your previous post I quoted. You accused others of being sentimental then in the second paragraph, you made a sentimental comment.




The only way to know if Messi will perform outside La Liga is for Messi to leave LA Liga.
I sincerely don't blame whoever thinks Messi will not perform outside La Liga because he has been abysmal in the national team. That might be a strong determinant.

When he seemed like he was joining City in 5he summer, I remember vividly how scared folks here and on Chelsea thread were...That alone tells me that a whole lot of guys know he can't lift anything team's chances of winning not to talk of an already fantastic City team.

He should lift his own country to win any trophy first of all.

4 Finals
4L's
0 goal
O Assist

Argentine Fraud.

ChristineC:
that guy is a joke.

If he's unhappy in the club

He should submit a transfer request

Sir Alex kicked out players that were far better than Pogba and the club didn't collapse

It's Amazing how pele is called a great even tho he didn't jump from one league to another, but messi isn't a great.

And someone even called Ibrahimovic as a great sef... Like ibra