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Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by oaroloye(m): 7:11am On Jan 26, 2020
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. JOHN 14:1-27.

"LET not your heart
be troubled:
ye believe in God,
believe also in me.
2. "In my Father's House
there are Mansions:
if it were not so,
I would have told you.
3. "And if I go
and prepare a place for you,
I will come again,
and receive you unto myself;
that where I am,
there ye may be also.
4. "And whither I go ye know,
and The Way ye know."

5. Thomas saith unto him,

"Lord, we know not
whither thou goest;
and how can we
know The Way?"

6. Jesus Saith unto him,

"I am The Way,
The Truth,
and The Life:
no man cometh
unto The Father,
but by me.
7. "If ye had known me,
ye should have known
my Father also:
and from henceforth
ye know Him,
and have seen Him."

8. Philip saith unto him,

"Lord, shew us the Father,
and it sufficeth us."

9. Jesus Saith unto him,

"Have I been
so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not
known me, Philip?
He that hath seen me
hath seen The Father;
and how sayest thou then,

'SHEW US THE FATHER?'

10. "Believest thou not
that I am in The Father,
and The Father in me?
The Words that I Speak
unto you I Speak not
of myself:
but The Father
that dwelleth in me,
He doeth the Works.
11. "Believe me that I am
in The Father,
and The Father in me:
or else believe me
for the very Works' sake.
12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO
UNTO MY FATHER.'


13. "And whatsoever ye shall
ask in my Name,
that will I do,
that The Father may be
Glorified in The Son.
14. "If ye shall ask
any thing in my Name,
I will do it.
15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments.
16. "And I will pray The Father,
and He shall give you
another Comforter,
that He may abide with you
for ever;
17. "Even The Spirit of Truth;
Whom the World cannot receive,
because It seeth Him not,
neither knoweth Him:
but ye know Him;
for He dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
18. "I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you.
19. "Yet a little while,
and the World
seeth me no more;
but ye see me:
because I live,
ye shall live also.
20. "At that Day
ye shall know
that I am in my Father,
and ye in me,
and I in you.
21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself
unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father will send
in my Name,
He shall Teach you
all things,
and bring all things
to your Remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said
unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

LORD YESHUA IS THE TRUTH: TO KNOW HIM IS TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

How then, do we KNOW HIM?

Stupid Christians think that knowing that Lord Yeshua said that he was The Truth is the same thing as KNOWING HIM!

. JOHN 8:30-32.

30. As he Spake these words,
many believed on him.
31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue in my Word,
(then) are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth shall
make you free."

LORD YESHUA EXPLICITLY STATED THAT THE TRUTH IS KNOWN BY CONTINUING IN HIS WORD.

That is not BLIND BELIEF, but PHYSICAL, PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

That is MORE than FAITH.

.. 1st JOHN 2:3-6.

3. And hereby we do know
that we know him,
if we keep his Commandments.
4. He that saith,

"I KNOW HIM,"

and keepeth not his Commandments,
is a liar,
and The Truth is not in him.
5. But whoso keepeth his Word,
in him verily is
The Love of God perfected:
hereby know we
that we are in him.
6. He that saith
he abideth in him
ought himself also
so to walk,
even as he walked.

Bacteriologist:

A lot of things we recognise as facts and truths today do not require any sort of faith whatsoever.

Does anyone need faith to know that 1 + 1 = 2?

Is faith required to make an airplane glide in the air? Or a ship remain buoyant?

Does anyone need faith to know that water + clay makes mud?

Do you need faith to accept that whatever is thrown up gets pulled back down (except held up by an external force/obstacle?)

(5) ATHEISM IS AN ATTENTION-DEFICIT DISORDER: ARITHMETIC, AERODYNAMICS, HYDROSTATICS, PHYSICS, AND CHEMISTRY, ARE ALL DEAD AND LIFELESS MANIFESTATIONS OF THE THREE LAWS OF MOTION.

. MATTHEW 14:21-34.

22 And straightway Jesus constrained his Disciples
to get into a ship,
and to go before him
unto the other side,
while he sent
the multitudes away.
23. And when he had
sent the multitudes away,
he went up into a mountain
apart to pray:
and when the evening
was come,
he was there alone.
24. But the ship was now
in the midst of the sea,
tossed with waves:
for the wind was contrary.
25. And in the fourth watch
of the night
Jesus went unto them,
walking on the sea.
26. And when the Disciples
saw him walking on the sea,
they were troubled,
saying,

"It is a spirit;"

and they cried out for fear.
27. But straightway Jesus
Spake unto them,
Saying,

"Be of good cheer;
it is I;
be not afraid."

28. And Peter answered him
and said,

"Lord, if it be thou,
bid me come unto thee
on the water."

29. And he said,

"Come."

And when Peter was come
down out of the ship,
he walked on the water,
to go to Jesus.
30. But when he saw
the wind boisterous,
he was afraid;
and beginning to sink,
he cried,
saying,

"Lord, save me."

31. And immediately
Jesus stretched forth
his hand,
and caught him,
and said unto him,

"O thou of little Faith,
wherefore didst thou doubt?"

32. And when they were
come into the ship,
the wind ceased.
33. Then they that were
in the ship came
and worshipped him,
saying,

"Of a Truth thou art
The Son of God."

34. And when they were
gone over,
they came into the land
of Gennesaret.

. MATTHEW 15:29-39.

29. And Jesus departed from thence,
and came nigh unto
the Sea of Galilee;
and went up into a mountain,
and sat down there.
30. And great multitudes
came unto him,
having with them
those that were
Lame, Blind, Dumb, Maimed,
and many others,
and cast them down
at Jesus' feet;
and he Healed them:
31. Insomuch that the multitude wondered,
when they saw
the Dumb to speak
the Maimed to be whole,
the Lame to walk,
and the Blind to see
and they glorified
The God of Israel.

32. Then Jesus called his Disciples unto him,
and Said,

"I have compassion
on the multitude,
because they continue
with me now three days,
and have nothing to eat:
and I will not
send them away fasting,
lest they faint in the way."

33. And his Disciples say unto him,

"Whence should we have
so much bread in the wilderness,
as to fill so great a multitude?"

34. And Jesus Saith unto them

"How many loaves have ye?

And they said,

"Seven, and a few little fishes."

35. And he Commanded the multitude
to sit down on the ground.
36. And he took the seven loaves and the fishes
and gave thanks,
and brake them,
and gave to his Disciples,
and the Disciples to the multitude.
37. And they did all eat,
and were filled:
and they took up
of the broken meat
that was left
seven baskets full.
38. And they that did eat
were four thousand men,
beside women and children.
39. And he sent away the multitude,
and took ship,
and came into the coasts of Magdala.

. . JOHN 9:1-33.

AND as Jesus passed by,
he saw a man which was blind
from his birth.
2. And his Disciples asked him,
saying,

"Master, who did Sin,
this man,
or his parents,
that he was born blind?"

3. Jesus answered,

"Neither hath this man Sinned,
nor his parents:
but that the Works of God
should be made manifest
in him.
4. "I must work
The Works of Him
that sent me,
while it is day:
the night cometh,
when no man can work.
5. "As long as
I am in the World,
I am The Light of the World."

6. When he had thus spoken,
he spat on the ground,
and made clay of the spittle,
and he anointed the eyes
of the blind man with the clay,
7. And Said unto him,

"Go, wash in the pool of Siloam,"

[which is by interpretation, "Sent."]
He went his way therefore,
and washed,
and came seeing.
8. The neighbours therefore,
and they which before
had seen him
that he was blind,
said,

"Is not this he that sat and begged?"

9. Some said,

"This is he:"

others said,

"He is like him:"

but he said,

"I am he."

10. Therefore said they
unto him,

"How were
thine eyes opened?"

11. He answered and said,

"A man that is called Jesus
made clay,
and anointed mine eyes,
and said unto me,

'GO TO
THE POOL OF SILOAM,
AND WASH:'


and I went and washed,
and I received sight."

12. Then said they unto him,

"Where is he?"

He said,

"I know not."

13. They brought to the Pharisees
him that aforetime was blind.
14. And it was the Sabbath Day
when Jesus made the clay,
and opened his eyes.
15. Then again
the Pharisees also
asked him how he had
received his sight.
He said unto them,

"He put clay
upon mine eyes,
and I washed,
and do see."

16. Therefore said
some of the Pharisees,

"This man is not of God,
because he keepeth not
The Sabbath Day."

Others said,

"How can a man
that is a Sinner
do such Miracles?"

And there was
a division among them.
17. They say unto
the blind man again,

"What sayest thou of him,
that he hath
opened thine eyes?"

He said,

"He is a Prophet."

FAITH IS A HIGHER LAW THAN AERODYNAMICS, HYDROSTATICS, PHYSICS, ARITHMETIC, OR CHEMISTRY.

AERODYNAMICS: says that WIND STORMS blow until they are over; FAITH: says that Storms stop when a HOLY MAN Postulates for them to *Stop!*

HYDROSTATICS: says that MEN cannot WALK on WATER; FAITH says that when a Man of God walks, Angels hold him up- when he goes through Water, It will not overflow him.

ARITHMETIC: says that SEVEN LOAVES divided by FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE (excluding women and children,) equals FOUR THOUSAND STILL-HUNGRY PEOPLE! FAITH says that SEVEN LOAVES divided by FOUR THOUSAND people equals FOUR THOUSAND satisfied people, and SEVEN BASKETS OF LEFTOVER CRUMBS.

CHEMISTRY: says that WATER plus DUST equals CLAY; FAITH says that SPIT plus DUST equals NEW FLESH.

Natural Law is UNPROFITABLE:

1. Things continue as they were, unless something forces them.

2. The rate of acceleration or braking is directly proportional to whatever is applied to make them speed up, or slow down.

3. Action ALWAYS equals Reaction.


SPIRITUAL LAW- even FAITH- is a HIGHER REALITY than PHYSICAL LAW.

Therefore, you cannot attain Spirituality by conforming to NATURAL LAW- requiring a SIGN FROM GOD before you BELIEVE Him, CONSIDER Him, AGREE with Him, OBEY Him, POSTULATE HIS Laws, or UNDERSTAND Him.

Bacteriologist:

It looks like faith is needed only when believing something that cannot be demonstrated or shown to actually be true or exist.

(6) FAITH IS ONLY NEEDED TO BEGIN CHRISTIANITY- IT IS NOT USED TO CONTINUE IN CHRISTIANITY.

. MARK 12:28-34.

28. And one of the Scribes came,
and having heard them
reasoning together,
and perceiving that he had
answered them well,
asked him,

"Which is
The First Commandment
of all?"

29. And Jesus answered him,

"The First of all
The Commandments
is,

'HEAR, O ISRAEL;
THE LORD OUR GOD
IS ONE LORD:
30. 'AND THOU SHALT LOVE
THE LORD THY GOD
WITH ALL THY HEART,
AND WITH ALL THY SOUL,
AND WITH ALL THY MIND,
AND WITH ALL THY STRENGTH:'


This is The First Commandment.
31. And The Second is like,
namely this,

'THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR
AS THYSELF.'


There is none other Commandment
greater than these."

32. "And the Scribe said unto him,

"Well, Master, thou hast
said the Truth:
for there is one God;
and there is none other but He:
33. "And to love Him
with all the heart,
and with all the understanding,
and with all the soul,
and with all the strength,
and to love his neighbour
as himself,
is more than all whole burnt offerings
and sacrifices."

34. And when Jesus saw
that he answered discreetly,
he Said unto him,

"Thou art not far
from the Kingdom of God."
And no man after that
durst ask him any question.

IT IS A LIE THAT DEUTERONOMY 6:4-5 AND LEVITICUS 19:18 ARE THE FIRST AND SECOND GREATEST COMMANDMENTS OF THE LAW.

This one is GREATER:

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to Record this day
against you,
(that) I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
THEREFORE CHOOSE LIFE,

THAT BOTH THOU AND THY SEED MAY LIVE:

20. THAT THOU MAYEST LOVE
THE LORD THY GOD,


(AND) THAT THOU MAYEST
OBEY HIS VOICE,


AND THAT THOU MAYEST
CLEAVE UNTO HIM:


for HE IS THY LIFE,
AND THE LENGTH OF THY DAYS:


THAT THOU MAYEST
DWELL IN THE LAND
WHICH THE LORD
SWARE UNTO THY FATHERS,
TO ABRAHAM,
TO ISAAC,
AND TO JACOB,
TO GIVE THEM.


TO LORD YESHUA, WHO WAS ON A SUICIDE-MISSION-FROM-GOD TO SACRIFICE HIS LIFE, KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS WAS GREATER THAN CHOOSING TO LIVE.

. JOHN 10:1-21.

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

[i]'HE THAT ENTERETH NOT
BY THE DOOR
INTO THE SHEEPFOLD,
BUT CLIMBETH UP
SOME OTHER WAY,
THE SAME IS A THIEF
AND A ROBBER.'


2. "But he that entereth in by The Door
is The Shepherd of The Sheep.
3. "To him the porter openeth;
and the Sheep hear his voice:
and he calleth his own sheep by name,
and leadeth them out.
4. "And when he putteth forth
his own sheep,
he goeth before them,
and the sheep follow him:
for they know his voice.
5. And a stranger will they not follow,
but will flee from him:
for they know not
the voice of strangers."

6. This Parable
Spake Jesus unto them:
but they understood not
what things they were
which he Spake unto them.
7. Then Said Jesus
unto them again,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'I AM THE DOOR
OF THE SHEEP.'


8. "All that ever came before me
are Thieves and Robbers:
but the sheep did not hear them.
9. “I am The Door:
by me if any man enter in,
he shall be Saved,
and shall go in and out,
and find Pasture.
10. "The Thief cometh not,
but for to steal,
and to kill,
and to destroy:
I am come
that they might have Life,
and that they might have It
more abundantly.
11. "I am The Good Shepherd:
The Good Shepherd giveth his life
for the Sheep.
12. "But he that is an Hireling,
and not the Shepherd,
whose own the Sheep are not,
seeth the Wolf coming,
and leaveth the Sheep,
and fleeth:
and the Wolf catcheth them,
and scattereth the Sheep.
13. "The Hireling fleeth,
because he is an Hireling,
and careth not for the Sheep.
14. "I am the Good Shepherd,
and know my sheep,
and am known of mine.
15. "As the Father knoweth me,
even so know I the Father:
and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16. "And other sheep I have,
which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring,
and they shall hear my Voice;
and there shall be one fold,
and one shepherd.
17. "Therefore doth my Father love me,
because I lay down my life,
that I might take it again.
18. "No man taketh it from me,
but I lay it down of myself.
I have Power to lay it down,
and I have Power to take it again.
This Commandment have I received
of my Father."

19. There was a division
therefore again
among the Jews
for these Sayings.
20 And many of them said,

"He hath a Devil,
and is mad;
why hear ye him?"

21. Others said,

"These are not
the Words of him
that hath a Devil.
Can a Devil
open the eyes of the blind?"

WE WHO ARE NOT YET AT LORD YESHUA'S LEVEL CANNOT RECEIVE COMMANDMENTS TO SACRIFICE OUR LIVES, AND TAKE THEM AGAIN.

In the interim, for us, THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT is to "CHOOSE LIFE."

OBEYING THAT COMMANDMENT BRINGS GOD TO US AND ENABLES US TO HEAR HIS VOICE AND LOVE HIM.

"LOVE" is seven levels above "FAITH."

Bacteriologist:

And that is the greatest downfall of this thing called "faith." ANYONE can believe whatever they want and CLAIM it as true based on "Faith."

Christians even call it "evidence of things not seen." Then I can claim to have a dragon in my basement/backyard. And believe it on "faith."[/b]

(7) ATHEISTS ARE THE WORLD'S WORST LYING SCUM.

. MATTHEW 17:14-21.

14. And when they were
come to the multitude,
there came to him
a certain man,
kneeling down to him,
and saying,

15. "Lord, have Mercy
on my son:
for he is lunatick,
and sore vexed:
for ofttimes he falleth
into the fire, and oft
into the water.
16. "And I brought him
to thy Disciples,
and they could not cure him."

17. Then Jesus answered
and Said,

"O Faithless and
perverse generation,
how long shall I be with you?
How long shall I suffer you?
Bring him hither to me."

18. And Jesus rebuked
the Devil;
and he departed out of him:
and the child was cured
from that very hour.
19. Then came the Disciples
to Jesus apart,
and said,

"Why could not we
cast him out?"

20. And Jesus Said unto them,

"Because of your unbelief:
for verily I Say unto you,

'IF YE HAVE FAITH
AS A GRAIN
OF MUSTARD SEED,
YE SHALL SAY
UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN,


"REMOVE HENCE
TO YONDER PLACE;"

AND IT SHALL REMOVE;
AND NOTHING
SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE
UNTO YOU.'


21 "Howbeit this kind
goeth not out
but by Prayer and Fasting."

FAITH IS BASED ON REALITY THAT ONE DOES NOT KNOW YET.

[To be Concluded.]

Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by oaroloye(m): 9:23am On Jan 26, 2020
[Concluding (4):]

True Christians' FAITH is not ARBITRARY; It is IN GOD, and What He Provides.

FAITH-IN-GOD only Works because of God's Willing cooperation.

FAITH IN ARBITRARY WHIM- such as a "Flying-Spaghetti-Monster," "Pink Unicorn," or "Dragons," that do not exist, until you decide to Create them, is a Highly Advanced Technique that takes a lot of Spiritual Power to pull off.

It is the basis of IDOLATRY.

There are two kinds of IDOLATRY- IMAGINARY Idolatry, and REALISTIC Idolatry.

Imaginary Idolatry is Faith in something that isn't a god.

Realistic Idolatry is Faith in something that IS, to all intents and purposes, a god.

Realistic Idol gods have specific Rules, Services, and Attributes.

Imaginary Idol gods have changeable, made-up rules, no real services, and attributes that do not have any direct practical application.

The best use for an Imaginary Idol god is as a PLACEBO, and a RALLYING BANNER.

Few Realistic Idol gods claim to be The Supreme Being.

They have ways of pretending to bestow Powers. They are best at imparting Knowledge.

Their Knowledge is like Narcotic Drugs. Once accepted, It creates a Dependency whereby one tries to feed upon it.

It can even unlock the first five TALENTS. Just not the sixth-through-tenth- EVERLASTING LIFE. The gods cannot provide that, because they do not have It themselves.

It has the Power to destroy them.

They teach EVIL for two reasons:

(1) TO ENABLE THEMSELVES TO FEED OFF OF US, AND PROLONG THEIR OWN EXISTENCE.

They are not Self-Sustaining Entities, and need Human Life Force to survive.

(2) TO PREVENT US FROM ATTAINING THE POWER TO DESTROY THEM.

They cannot withstand the Energy Signature of Everlasting Life.

Bacteriologist:

Faith is a good way to believe in anything but is not a reliable way of determining the truth. And it is not enough to believe claims: especially those with heavy weight as god claims based on faith alone.

(cool ATHEISTS ARE THE LOWEST OF LYING SCUM: GOD HAS NEVER PROMISED US SALVATION BY FAITH.

AntiChristian:

. GENESIS 17:1-14.

AND when Abram was
ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared to Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make
My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant
is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a Father of many Nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called "Abram,"
but thy name shall be "Abraham;"
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee
Exceeding Fruitful,
and I will make
nations of thee,
and kings shall
come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish
My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee
in their Generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee.
8. "And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee,
the land wherein
thou art a stranger,
all the land of Canaan,
for an Everlasting Possession;
and I will be their God."

9. And God Said
unto Abraham,

"Thou shalt keep
My Covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee
in their Generations.
10. "This is My Covenant,
Which ye shall keep,
between Me and you
and thy seed after thee;

'EVERY MAN CHILD AMONG YOU
SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.'


11. "And ye shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin;
and it shall be
a Token of The Covenant
betwixt me and you.
12. "And he that is
eight days old
shall be circumcised
among you,
every man child
in your Generations,
he that is born in the house,
or bought with money
of any stranger,
which is not of thy seed.
13. "He that is born
in thy house,
and he that is bought
with thy money,
must needs be circumcised:
and My Covenant
shall be in your flesh
for an Everlasting Covenant.
14. "And the uncircumcised
man child
whose flesh of his foreskin
is not circumcised,
that soul shall be cut off
from his people;
he hath broken My Covenant."

GOD INTRODUCED HIS COVENANT TO ABRAHAM IN PERSON- SPEAKING TO HIM, AND PERFORMING MIRACLES TO HELP HIM- MOST NOTABLY, ENABLING HIS 90-YEAR OLD BARREN WIFE TO BEAR HIS SON.

The Children of Israel were liberated from Slavery in Egypt, through the display of TWELVE MIRACLES.

At what point did you find the Children of Israel Commanded to follow God by "BLIND-FAITH-WITHOUT-EVIDENCE?"

. GENESIS 18:17-19.

17. And The LORD Said,

"Shall I hide from Abraham
That Thing which I do;
18. "Seeing that Abraham
shall surely become
a great and mighty nation,
and all the nations of the Earth
shall be Blessed in him?
19. "For I know him,
that he will
command his children
and his household after him,
and they shall keep
The Way of The LORD,
to do Justice and Judgment;
that The LORD may
bring upon Abraham
that which He hath
Spoken of him."

GOD'S COVENANT DEAL REQUIRES PARENTS TO TEACH THEIR CHILDREN THE WAY OF GOD- NAMELY, THE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL HEAVENLY FORCES, THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, AND THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

This training was supposed to take place through their teen years, from age thirteen to age twenty.

By age twenty-one, one is supposed to have been able to *see* God and enter His Realm as many as THREE TIMES A YEAR.

The idea that one should go one's whole life, without knowing how to verify God's Existence for oneself, is ridiculous.

THE OYINBOS BEHIND ATHEISM KNOW THAT THEY ARE LYING, WHEN THEY SAY THAT CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON FAITH WITHOUT OTHER EVIDENCE.

Now, you do, too.

Will you act on this New Intel?

I believe that you will not, because you are merely employed as the Tool of the desperately-wicked, and pathologically-insane Oyinbo Atheists.

They will surely attack you, should you convert- since you are, on the one hand, a craven coward, and on the other hand, well-paid and compensated for your Evil Efforts (e.g. Babes that swallow... anything you... tell them,) which you would be in no hurry to give up (who will probably have orders on what to do, if you were going to pull an "ALBERTO RIVERA" on them) WHY WOULD YOU?

Bacteriologist:

If you care about the truth, Faith is not enough.

What are your thoughts?

(9) THE OYINBOS HAVE COMMITTED UNPARDONABLE, BLASPHEMOUS ATROCITIES WHEREBY GOD HAS TURNED HIS FACE FROM THEIR NATIONS- EASILY FOR EVER- IT TAKES A SPECIAL SORT OF FOOL TO TRUST THEM, WHEN THEY TELL YOU THAT THERE IS NO GOD.

Go and read what the BRITONS and AMERICANS did to the INDIGENOUS peoples of AFRICA, AMERICA, AUSTRALIA, and ASIA.

Are these the people YOU TRUST to tell you The Truth about THE RELIGION OF GOD?

.     EXODUS 20:1-7.

AND God Spake
all these Words,
Saying,

2. "I (am) The LORD thy God,
Which have brought thee
out of The Land of Egypt,
out of The House of Bondage.

3. "Thou shalt have
no other gods before Me.

4. "Thou shalt not
make unto thee
any graven image,
or any likeness (of any thing)
that (is) in the Earth beneath,
or that (is) in the Water
under the Earth:
5. "Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them,
nor serve them:
for I The LORD thy God
(am) a Jealous God,
visiting the iniquity
of the fathers
upon the third and fourth (generation)
of them that Hate Me.
6. "And shewing Mercy
unto thousands of them
which Love Me,
and Keep My Commandments.

7. "Thou shalt not
take The Name
of The LORD thy God
in vain;
for The LORD will not
hold him guiltless
that taketh His Name
in vain."

. NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any man Sin
through Ignorance,
then he shall bring
a She Goat of the first year
for a Sin Offering.
28. "And the Priest
shall make an Atonement
for the Soul
that Sinneth Ignorantly,
when he Sinneth
by Ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement
for him,
and it shall be
forgiven him.
29. " Ye shall have one Law
for him that Sinneth Ignorantly
(both for) him
that is born
among the Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger
that sojourneth
among them.
30. "But the Soul
that doeth
(ought) presumptuously,
(whether he be)
born in the land,
or a Stranger,
the same reproacheth
The LORD;
and that Soul
shall be cut off
from among his people.
31. "Because he hath
despised The Word
of The LORD,
and hath broken
His Commandment,
that Soul
shall utterly be cut off;
his Iniquity
(shall be) upon him."

. DEUTERONOMY 25:13-16.

13. Thou shalt not
have in thy bag
divers weights,
a great and a small.
14. Thou shalt not
have in thine house
divers measures,
a great and a small.
15. (But) thou shalt have
a perfect and just weight,
a perfect and just measure
shalt thou have:
that thy days
may be lengthened
in the land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee.
16. For all that do such things,
(and) all that do unrighteously,
(are) an abomination
unto The LORD thy God.

.   DEUTERONOMY 27:26.

26. Cursed be he
that confirmeth not all
The Words of This Law
to do them.

GOD HOLDS EVERY NEWBORN ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE INIQUITIES OF THEIR PARENTS, THEIR GRANDPARENTS, AND THEIR GREAT-GRANDPARENTS.

If parents loved their children, they would see to it, that they had RECOMPENSED, RESTITUTED, AND ATONED every Sin whose ACCOUNTABILITY could be passed on to their offspring, BEFORE CONCEIVING THEM.[/i][/b]

No parents seem to have ever loved their children THAT much. That's how we lost ISRAEL.

If your parents were normal Human Beings- i.e. STUPID IDIOTS- God is NOT going to SYMPATHIZE with you, but continue working to ERADICATE YOUR DNA from the Face of His Earth.

If you grew up Blind and Deaf to GOD, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to HEAL YOURSELF- so that you can KNOW GOD and His Kingdom.

You have NO RIGHT to expect anyone to wheel anything to you on wheels.

YOU MUST WORK HARD TO ACHIEVE SALVATION!

. MATTHEW 25:13-30.

13. "Watch therefore,
for ye know neither
the Day nor the Hour wherein
The Son of Man cometh.
14. "For The Kingdom
of Heaven
is as a man travelling
into a far country,
who called his own servants,
and delivered unto them
his goods.
15. "And unto one
he gave five talents,
to another two,
and to another one;
to every man according to
his several ability;
and straightway
took his journey.
16. "Then he that had
received the five talents
went and traded
with the same,
and made them
other five talents.
17. "And likewise he
that had received two,
he also gained other two.
18. "But he that had
received one
went and digged in the earth,
and hid his lord's money.
19. "After a long time
the lord of those servants cometh,
and reckoneth with them.
20. "And so he that had
received five talents
came and brought
other five talents,
saying,

'LORD,
THOU DELIVEREDST
UNTO ME FIVE TALENTS:
BEHOLD,
I HAVE GAINED
BESIDE THEM
FIVE TALENTS MORE.'


21. "His lord
said unto him,

'WELL DONE,
THOU GOOD
AND FAITHFUL SERVANT:
THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL OVER
A FEW THINGS,
I WILL MAKE THEE RULER
OVER MANY THINGS:
ENTER THOU INTO
THE JOY OF THY LORD.'


22. "He also that had
received two talents
came and said,

'LORD,
THOU DELIVEREDST
UNTO ME TWO TALENTS:
BEHOLD,
I HAVE GAINED
TWO OTHER TALENTS
BESIDE THEM.'


23. "His lord
said unto him,

'WELL DONE,
GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT;
THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL OVER
A FEW THINGS,
I WILL MAKE THEE RULER
OVER MANY THINGS:
ENTER THOU INTO
THE JOY OF THY LORD.'


24. "Then he which had
received the one talent
came and said,

'LORD,
I KNEW THEE
THAT THOU ART
AN HARD MAN,
REAPING WHERE
THOU HAST NOT SOWN,
AND GATHERING
WHERE THOU HAST
NOT STRAWED:
25. AND I WAS AFRAID,
AND WENT AND HID
THY TALENT IN THE EARTH:
LO, THERE THOU HAST
THAT IS THINE.'


26. "His lord answered
and said unto him,

'THOU WICKED
AND SLOTHFUL SERVANT,
THOU KNEWEST
THAT I REAP
WHERE I SOWED NOT,
AND GATHER WHERE
I HAVE NOT STRAWED:
27. 'THOU OUGHTEST THEREFORE
TO HAVE PUT MY MONEY
TO THE EXCHANGERS,
AND THEN AT MY COMING
I SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED
MINE OWN WITH USURY.
28. 'TAKE THEREFORE
THE TALENT FROM HIM,
AND GIVE IT UNTO HIM
WHICH HATH TEN TALENTS.
29. 'FOR UNTO EVERY ONE
THAT HATH
SHALL BE GIVEN,
AND HE SHALL
HAVE ABUNDANCE:
BUT FROM HIM
THAT HATH NOT
SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY
EVEN THAT WHICH HE HATH.
30. 'AND CAST YE
THE UNPROFITABLE SERVANT
INTO OUTER DARKNESS:
THERE SHALL BE
WEEPING AND GNASHING
OF TEETH.' "


When you meet the Lord, you must show EVIDENCE OF DEVELOPMENT.

. LUKE 19:11-27.

11. And as they heard
these things,
he added
and Spake a Parable,
because he was nigh
to Jerusalem,
and because they thought
that The Kingdom of God
should immediately appear.
12. He said therefore,

"A certain nobleman
went into a far country
to receive for himself a kingdom,
and to return.
13. And he called
his ten servants,
and delivered them ten pounds,
and said unto them,

'OCCUPY TILL I COME.'

14. "But his citizens
hated him,
and sent a message
after him,
saying,

'WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS
(MAN) TO REIGN OVER US.'


15. "And it came to pass,
that when he was returned,
having received the kingdom,
then he commanded
these servants
to be called unto him,
to whom he had
given the money,
that he might know
how much
every man had gained
by trading.
16. "Then came the first,
saying,

'LORD, THY POUND
HATH GAINED TEN POUNDS.'


17. "And he said unto him,

'WELL, THOU GOOD SERVANT:
BECAUSE THOU HAST
BEEN FAITHFUL IN
A VERY LITTLE,
HAVE THOU AUTHORITY
OVER TEN CITIES.'


18. "And the second came,
saying,

'LORD, THY POUND
HATH GAINED FIVE POUNDS.'


19. "And he said likewise
to him,

'BE THOU ALSO OVER FIVE CITIES.'

20. "And another came,
saying,

'LORD, BEHOLD,
HERE IS THY POUND,
WHICH I HAVE KEPT
LAID UP IN A NAPKIN:
21. 'FOR I FEARED THEE,
BECAUSE THOU ART
AN AUSTERE MAN:
THOU TAKEST UP
THAT THOU
LAYEDST NOT DOWN,
AND REAPEST
THAT THOU DIDST NOT SOW.'


22. "And he saith unto him,

'OUT OF THINE OWN MOUTH
WILL I JUDGE THEE,
THOU WICKED SERVANT.
THOU KNEWEST
THAT I WAS
AN AUSTERE MAN,
TAKING UP THAT
I LAID NOT DOWN,
AND REAPING THAT
I DID NOT SOW:
23. 'WHEREFORE THEN
GAVEST NOT THOU
MY MONEY INTO THE BANK,
THAT AT MY COMING
I MIGHT HAVE REQUIRED
MINE OWN
WITH USURY?'


24. "And he said unto them
that stood by,

'TAKE FROM HIM THE POUND,
AND GIVE IT TO HIM
THAT HATH TEN POUNDS.'


25. "[And they said unto him,

'LORD, HE HATH TEN POUNDS.]'

26. 'FOR I SAY UNTO YOU,


"THAT UNTO EVERY ONE
WHICH HATH
SHALL BE GIVEN;
AND FROM HIM
THAT HATH NOT,
EVEN THAT HE HATH
SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY
FROM HIM."


27. 'BUT THOSE MINE ENEMIES,
WHICH WOULD NOT
THAT I SHOULD REIGN
OVER THEM,
BRING HITHER,
AND SLAY THEM
BEFORE ME.' "


TOTAL RECALL IS NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT!

If that is all you can present to him, should he manifest to you, you will be punished, instead of rewarded!

The attitude that he should not expect more of you, will not go over with him.

[Concluded?]

Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Tamaratonye1(f): 4:49pm On Jan 26, 2020
budaatum:

This is the first post of your's where you've sounded somewhat civil. Soon you'd actually work out the difference between a discussion and an argument.

I have faith in you.
And still no answers from you.

You do not have any, empty vessels seem to make the most noise.

Fucking muppet
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by oaroloye(m): 4:51pm On Jan 26, 2020
MISHIGAS!

budaatum:

My thought is faith that is not tested is like a house built on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose and the winds blew and beat against that house and it fell with a great crash. While faith that has been tested and found to be true is like a house built on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.

The wise choose their foundations carefully, while the foolish don't and tremble like satan is written to tremble because their faith has a foundation that can not weather the storm.

. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is
The Law and The Prophets.
13. "Enter ye in
at The Strait Gate:
for wide is the Gate,
and broad is the way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be
which go in thereat:
14. "Because strait is the Gate,
and narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life,
and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you
in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are
ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them
by their fruits.
Do men gather
grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every Good Tree
bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a Corrupt Tree
bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot
bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree
bring forth Good Fruit.
19. "Every tree that
bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down,
and cast into the Fire.
20 Wherefore by their Fruits
ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one
that saith unto me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but He that doeth
The Will of my Father
Which is in Heaven.
22 Many will say to me
in That Day,

'LORD, LORD,
HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY
WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I
profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth Them,
I will liken him unto
a Wise Man,
which built his house
upon a rock:
25. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded
upon a rock.
26 . "And every one
that heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto
a Foolish Man,
which built his house
upon the sand:
27. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had
ended these Sayings,
the people were astonished
at his Doctrine:
29. For He taught them
as one having authority,
and not as the scribes.

. LUKE 6:35-49.

35. "But love ye your enemies,
and do good,
and lend,
hoping for nothing again;
and your Reward shall be great,
and ye shall be
The Children of The Highest:
for he is Kind unto the Unthankful
and to the Evil.
36. "Be ye therefore merciful,
as your Father also is Merciful.
37. "Judge not,
and ye shall not be Judged:
condemn not,
and ye shall not be Condemned:
forgive,
and ye shall be Forgiven:
38. "Give,
and it shall be given unto you;
Good Measure,
Pressed Down,
and Shaken Together,
and Running Over,
shall men give into your bosom.
For with the same measure
that ye mete withal
it shall be measured to you again."

39. And he Spake a Parable
unto them,

"Can the blind lead the blind?
shall they not both fall
into the ditch?
40. "The disciple is not
above his master:
but every one that is perfect
shall be as his master.
41. "And why beholdest
thou the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but perceivest not
the beam that is in
thine own eye?
42. "Either how canst thou
say to thy brother,

'BROTHER,
LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE THAT IS
IN THINE EYE,'


when thou thyself
beholdest not
the beam that is
in thine own eye?
Thou Hypocrite,
cast out first
the beam out of
thine own eye,
and then shalt thou
see clearly to pull out
the mote that is in
thy brother's eye.
43. "For a good tree
bringeth not forth corrupt fruit;
neither doth a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
44. "For every tree
is known by his own fruit.
For of thorns
men do not gather figs,
nor of a bramble bush
gather they grapes.
45. "A Good Man
out of the Good Treasure
of his heart
bringeth forth
that which is Good;
and an Evil Man
out of the Evil Treasure
of his heart
bringeth forth
that which is Evil:
for of the abundance
of the heart
his mouth speaketh.
46. "And why call ye me,
'Lord, Lord,'
and do not the Things
which I say?
47. "Whosoever cometh to me,
and heareth my Sayings,
and doeth them,
I will shew you
to whom he is like:
48. "He is like a man
which built an house,
and digged deep,
and laid the foundation
on a rock:
and when the flood arose,
the stream beat vehemently
upon that house,
and could not shake it:
for it was founded upon a rock.
49. "But he that heareth,
and doeth not,
is like a man
that without a foundation
built an house upon the earth;
against which the stream
did beat vehemently,
and immediately it fell;
and the ruin of that house
was great."

IF YOU SERVED LORD YESHUA, YOU WOULD SPEAK HIS WORDS.

. MATTHEW 10:16-20.

16. "Behold, I send you forth
as sheep in the midst
of wolves:
be ye therefore
wise as serpents,
and harmless as doves.
17. "But Beware of Men:
for they will deliver you up
to the Councils,
and they will scourge you
in their Synagogues;
18. "And ye shall be brought
before governors and kings
for my sake,
for a Testimony against them
and the Gentiles.
19. "But when they
deliver you up,
take no thought
how or what ye shall speak:
for it shall be given you
in that same hour
what ye shall speak.
20. "For it is not ye that speak,
but The Spirit of your Father
Which Speaketh in you."

. JOHN 3:34-36.

34. "For he whom God hath sent
speaketh The Words of God:
for God giveth not the Spirit
by measure unto him.
35. "The Father loveth The Son,
and hath given All Things
into his hand.
36. "He that believeth on
The Son
hath Everlasting Life:
and he that believeth not
The Son
shall not see Life;
but The Wrath of God
abideth on him."

YOU DO NOT SERVE LORD YESHUA, SO YOU RELY ON YOUR OWN SUPPOSED WISDOM, TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO FOLLOW YOU AND YOUR MASTERS, NOT LORD YESHUA.

True Christians do not TEST their FAITH: THEY APPLY IT.

"FOOL GOSPEL" (sic) Christians, who pray for their dangerously Sick Children, rightly deigning to use readily available Medicine (which is based on GREEK RELIGION,) only to have them DIE MISERABLY, would be examples of what YOU call "UNTESTED FAITH."

You are incorrect.

"TESTING FAITH," in such a case, would be where the Believing Parents went around, two or three times, at least, and prayed for Sick Children or Adults, NOT THEIR OWN, to see whether or not their FAITH could Heal them.

After they were satisfied that their Faith Worked, THEY STOPPED HEALING SICK CHILDREN OR ADULTS, because they had LEARNED what they WANTED TO KNOW: that THEIR FAITH Worked.

Therefore, SATAN took over their Healing Power, and either removed It entirely, or allowed them to Heal ONLY WHOM HE STRATEGICALLY WANTED THEM TO HEAL- SETTING THEM UP
to FAIL at a case of GREAT IMPORTANCE to THEM.

I believe that if you do the RESEARCH, you will find that THAT IS ALWAYS THE CASE, WHEN FOOL GOSPEL PARENTS LOSE THEIR CHILDREN!

Bacteriologist:

Yes, when I was a kid I had no means (of course!) of determining if what my parents were telling me where true or not.

However, as I grew older I can see how I am Nigerian. I don't need faith to believe I'm a Nigerian anymore because I can check my location on the map and see that I actually reside in Nigeria. I have lived in Nigeria long enough to actually be a Nigeria by naturalisation. So faith is no longer required to accept that I'm an Nigerian and that i am TRULY Nigerian.

It was the same thing with Christianity: When I was born and growing up, I accepted Christianity as the true religion, because there was no way for me to the verify the authenticity of the claims that it was indeed a true religion.

THAT IS A COMPLETE AND STUPID LIE!


. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee this day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them
diligently unto thy children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind Them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write Them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

THE TEN TALENTS ACTIVATE SEQUENTIALLY, WHEN ONE HAS KEPT THESE COMMANDMENTS FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME.

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.


There are TEN SPIRITUAL WORKS.

The average Sinner is so low on Spiritual Energy- a minimally-sustaining 1%- that they cannot even CONSIDER IT POSSIBLE that THEY could perform THE LEAST Spiritual Work- which only I call "TOTAL RECALL."

THE FIRST TALENT OF POWER has a lot more to it than merely remembering stuff without cramming. But all those abilities are based on the ability to EXACTLY RECALL whatever you have PERCEIVED, CONCEIVED, or RECALLED in your entire life.

It is the FOUNDATION to even greater Abilities, being necessary support to all of them. Basically, if you FAIL at TOTAL RECALL, you have no business concerning yourself with the other "TALENTS."

I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THIS MY TEACHING BEFORE- THEREFORE, YOU ARE JUST WICKEDLY, AND BLASPHEMOUSLY LYING, WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU HAD NO WAY TO PROVE WHETHER OR NOT CHRISTIANITY IS A TRUE RELIGION.

.. MARK 16:14-20.

14. Afterward he appeared
unto the eleven
as they sat at meat,
and upbraided them
with their Unbelief
and Hardness of Heart,
because they believed not them
which had seen him
after he was risen.

15. And he Said unto them,

"Go ye into all the World,
and preach the Gospel
to every Creature.
16. "He that Believeth
and is baptized
shall be Saved;
but he that Believeth not
shall be Damned.
17. "And these Signs shall follow
them that Believe;

'IN MY NAME
SHALL THEY CAST OUT DEVILS;
THEY SHALL SPEAK
WITH NEW TONGUES;
18. 'THEY SHALL TAKE UP SERPENTS;
AND IF THEY DRINK
ANY DEADLY THING,
IT SHALL NOT HURT THEM;
THEY SHALL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK,
AND THEY SHALL RECOVER.'


19. So then after the Lord
had Spoken unto them,
he was received up
into Heaven,
and sat on
The Right Hand of God.
20. And they went forth,
and preached every where,
the Lord Working with them,
and confirming the Word
with Signs following.
Amen.

. LUKE 7:19-23.

19. And John calling unto him
two of his Disciples
sent them to Jesus, saying,
"Art thou he that should come?
Or look we for another?"

20. When the men
were come unto him,
they said,
John Baptist hath
sent us unto thee,
saying,

'ART THOU
HE THAT SHOULD COME?
OR LOOK WE
FOR ANOTHER?'


21. And in that same hour
he cured many
of their Infirmities and Plagues,
and of Evil Spirits;
and unto many that were blind
he gave sight.
22. Then Jesus answering
Said unto them,

"Go your way,
and tell John what things
ye have seen and heard;
how that the Blind See,
the Lame Walk,
the Lepers are Cleansed,
the Deaf Hear,
the Dead are Raised,
to the Poor The Gospel is preached.
23. "And Blessed is he,
whosoever shall not be
offended in me."

. JOHN 14:1-15.

"LET not your heart be troubled:
ye believe in God,
believe also in me.
2. "In my Father's House
are many Mansions:
if it were not so,
I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you.
3. "And if I go
and prepare a Place for you,
I will come again,
and receive you unto myself;
that where I am,
there ye may be also.
4. "And whither I go ye know,
and The Way ye know."

5. Thomas saith unto him,

"Lord, we know not
whither thou goest;
and how can we
know The Way?"

6. Jesus Saith unto him,
"I am The Way, The Truth,
and The Life:
no man cometh unto The Father,
but by me.
7. "If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know Him,
and have seen Him."

8. Philip saith unto him,

"Lord, shew us the Father,
and it sufficeth us."

9. Jesus Saith unto him,

"Have I been
so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not known me,
Philip?
He that hath seen me
hath seen the Father;
and how sayest thou then,

[I]'SHEW US THE FATHER?'[/i]

10. "Believest thou not
that I am in The Father,
and The Father in me?
The words that I speak unto you
I speak not of myself:
but The Father that dwelleth in me,
He doeth the Works.
11. "Believe me
that I am in The Father,
and The Father in me:
or else believe me
for the very Works' sake.
12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;'


and Greater (Works) than these
shall he do;
because I go unto my Father.
13. "And whatsoever ye shall
ask in my Name,
that will I do,
hat the Father may be Glorified
in the Son.
14. "If ye shall ask
any thing in my Name,
I will do it.
15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments."

DID YOU BELIEVE ON LORD YESHUA OF THE GOSPELS- NOT OF "THE BOOK OF ACTS," "THE EPISTLES," AND "THE BOOK OF REVELATION?"

Of course you DIDN'T Believe On the Lord Yeshua of The Gospels: NO OTHER CHRISTIAN EVER HAS. Therefore, when I preach of him, Christians scornfully say, that they do not know what I am talking about!

DID YOU EVEN TRY TO MANIFEST ANY OF THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER AS LORD YESHUA DID?

Those are THE verification that THE CHRISTIANITY LORD YESHUA TAUGHT is THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION.

But you NEVER APPLIED your so-called FAITH, therefore, SATAN was ALLOWED to TAKE It from you!

Bacteriologist:

Until I was grew up and became honest enough to challenge my beliefs. After logical scrutiny and historical fact checking + a lot of critical thinking I found out that they were no good reasons for me to believe that the Christian faith was the true religion OR that it was even good or moral OR that it had enough evidence to warrant my belief in it's god.

. MARK 11:11-14, 20-26.

11. And Jesus entered
into Jerusalem,
and into the Temple:
and when he had
looked round about
upon all things,
and now the eventide
was come,
he went out unto
Bethany with the Twelve.
12. And on the morrow,
when they were
come from Bethany,
he was hungry:
13. And seeing a fig tree
afar off having leaves,
he came,
if haply he might
find any thing thereon:
and when he came to it,
he found nothing but leaves;
for the time of figs was not yet.
14. And Jesus answered
and Said unto it,

"No man eat fruit of thee
hereafter for ever."

And his Disciples heard it.

20. And in the morning,
as they passed by,
they saw the fig tree dried up
from the roots.
21. And Peter calling to remembrance
saith unto him,

"Master, behold,
the fig tree which thou cursedst
is withered away."

22. And Jesus answering Saith unto them,

"Have Faith in God.
23. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN,


"BE THOU REMOVED,
AND BE THOU CAST
INTO THE SEA;"


AND SHALL NOT DOUBT
IN HIS HEART,
BUT SHALL BELIEVE
THAT THOSE THINGS
WHICH HE SAITH
SHALL COME TO PASS;
HE SHALL HAVE
WHATSOEVER HE SAITH.'


24. "Therefore I Say unto you,

'WHAT THINGS SOEVER YE DESIRE,
WHEN YE PRAY,
BELIEVE THAT YE RECEIVE THEM,
AND YE SHALL HAVE THEM.'


25. "And when ye stand praying,
forgive, if ye have ought against any:
that your Father also
Which is in Heaven
may forgive you your trespasses.
26. "But if ye do not forgive,
neither will your Father
Which is in Heaven
forgive your trespasses."

YOU NEVER APPLIED THIS TEACHING BECAUSE YOU COULD NEVER EXPEL ALL DOUBT FROM YOUR HEART.

I have been a Full-Gospel Christian for 40 years, and I know exactly how the Oyinbo False Christianity CON-JOB works. You fell into It, like everyone else who ignores Lord Yeshua's explicit warnings. You were nothing special.

YOU COULD NOT REMOVE DOUBT FROM YOUR HEART, BECAUSE YOU NEVER RELEASED UNFORGIVENESS FROM YOUR HEART.

Ladylite:

So how did you believe you are a Nigerian?

Without passport, without any proof until u were old enough... U just heard from people called your parents and you believed.

Thats faith. You who all your life you have practiced faith ignorantly, you now come here thinking you have an iota of sense and you begin to claim to question it.

Pls go and fry dodo

. MATTHEW 5:38-48.

38. "Ye have heard
that it hath been said,

'AN EYE FOR AN EYE,
AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'


39. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT YE RESIST NOT EVIL:
BUT WHOSOEVER SHALL
SMITE THEE ON THY RIGHT CHEEK,
TURN TO HIM
THE OTHER ALSO.'


40. "And if any man
will sue thee at The Law,
and take away thy coat,
let him have (thy) cloke also.
41. "And whosoever
shall compel thee
to go a mile,
go with him twain.
42. "Give to him
that asketh thee,
and from him that would
borrow of thee
turn not thou away.
43. "Ye have heard
that it hath been said,

'THOU SHALT LOVE
THY NEIGHBOUR
AND HATE
THINE ENEMY.'


44. "But I Say unto you,

'LOVE YOUR ENEMIES,
BLESS THEM
THAT CURSE YOU,
DO GOOD TO THEM
THAT HATE YOU,
AND PRAY FOR THEM WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE YOU
AND PERSECUTE YOU.'


45. "That ye may be
the Children of your Father
Which is in Heaven:
for He maketh His Sun
to rise on the Evil
and on the Good,
and sendeth Rain
on the Just
and on the Unjust.
46. "For if ye love them
which love you,
what Reward have ye?
Do not even the Publicans
the same?
47. "And if ye salute
your Brethren only,
what do ye
more (than others)
Do not even
the Publicans so?
48. "Be ye therefore Perfect,
even as your Father
Which is in Heaven
is Perfect."

THE FASTEST WAY TO FIND A PERSON'S LEVEL OF WISDOM, UNDERSTANDING, SELF-CONTROL, MATURITY, INTELLIGENCE, etc. etc. IS TO INSULT THEM.

. PROVERBS 13:10.

10. Only by pride
cometh contention:
but with the well-advised
is Wisdom.

[To be Concluded.]
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by budaatum: 4:52pm On Jan 26, 2020
Tamaratonye1:

And still no answers from you.

You do not have any, empty vessels seem to make the most noise.

Fucking muppet
Yet, hear you making the most noise.

I still have faith in you though. Let me know when you've read the entire book instead of quoting selective verses out of your misunderstood context.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by oaroloye(m): 6:06pm On Jan 26, 2020
[Concluded:]

HYPOCRITES CLAIM TO BELIEVE IN LORD YESHUA, BUT THEY DON'T- WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN IS AN IMAGINARY VERSION OF LORD YESHUA, WHO NEVER EXISTED- A LORD YESHUA WHO NEVER EVER SERIOUSLY REQUIRED CHRISTIANS TO ACTUALLY FOLLOW HIS TEACHINGS.[/i]

Therefore, when the Disciples all fled from Lord Yeshua's arrest scene, YOU BELIEVED that he took them back, later- DESPITE HIS CLEAR STATEMENT THAT THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE.

You BELIEVED that PHARISEE SAUL, having participated in the murder of "more Christians than he could number," (his words,) was visited by Lord Yeshua, and made a Chief Messenger, DESPITE HIS EXPLICIT STATEMENT that that was IMPOSSIBLE- he does NOT manifest to such people!

The letters of the Ancient Hebrew and Greek Scriptures all had NUMERICAL VALUES. All manuscripts we're laboriously copied by hand- YOU KNOW THAT- but did you know that the Scribes ADDED UP THE TOTALS OF EVERY PAGE THEY FINISHED, to check that the TOTAL (what we would call the CHECKSUM,) was the CORRECT FIGURE?

If the total was wrong, they knew there was an ERROR somewhere. They would go over what they had copied, until they found it. Then they would JUNK that manuscript- it could not be used as SCRIPTURE.

You may even have heard of all this.

Why didn't you have the COMMONSENSE to EXAMINE what you were taught, and FIND THE ERRORS- once you knew that the Religion WASN'T ADDING UP.

ATHEISTS paid to claim to have been Christians usually LIE, and NEVER DISCLOSE what DEVIANT VERSION of Christianity they belonged to.

There are SEVEN LEVELS of CHRISTIANITY- Lord Yeshua is depicted as addressing all of them in REVELATION 2-3. All of them were WRONG- and he had to tell them so.

I have NEVER heard of an EX-CHRISTIAN ATHEIST tell us that they followed a FALSE VERSION OF CHRISTIANITY to begin with.

For instance, none of the Churches that perpetrated THE TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE should be countenanced as Messengers of The Gospel.

That ought to be a NO-BRAINER- but somehow, it is an insurmountable mental hurdle for millions of AFRICANS to climb.

These Churches DENY the TEN TALENTS DOCTRINE. How could they be "CHRISTIANS?"

AS SOON AS YOU ACQUIRE FAITH-IN-GOD, THE FIRST PRAYER YOU PRAY MUST INCORPORATE FORGIVENESS FOR YOUR PERCEIVED ENDMIES.

If you have no Enemies, God will get some for you- because He's so helpful.

No, seriously- if you have "NO ENEMIES," it is because YOU NEVER PREACHED THE TRUE GOSPEL.

When you therefore PRAY GOOD THINGS for those who HATE you, DID and DO WICKED THINGS against you, you become a RADIATOR of POSITIVE SPIRITUAL ENERGY.

SEERS can perceive this outflow.

. JOHN 7:37-43.

37. In the last day,
that great day of the Feast,
Jesus stood and cried,
saying,

"If any man Thirst,
let him come unto me,
and Drink.
38. "He that believeth on me,
as the Scripture hath said,

'OUT OF HIS BELLY
SHALL FLOW RIVERS
OF LIVING WATER.' "


39. [But this Spake he
of the Spirit,
which they that
believe on him
should receive:
for The Holy Ghost
was not yet given;
because that Jesus
was not yet Glorified.]
40. Many of
the people therefore,
when they heard
this saying,
said,

"OF A TRUTH,
THIS IS THE PROPHET."


41. Others said,

"THIS IS THE CHRIST."

But some said,

"SHALL CHRIST COME
OUT OF GALILEE?
42. "HATH NOT
THE SCRIPTURE SAID,


'THAT CHRIST COMETH
OF THE SEED OF DAVID,
AND OUT OF THE TOWN
OF BETHLEHEM,
WHERE DAVID WAS?' "


43. So there was
a division among the people
because of him.

WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE THIS, YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT RELIGION.

But those who HATE those who hate THEM are merely following NATURAL LAW: "Action and Reaction are equal and opposite."

That is what INANIMATE OBJECTS do.

A person who hates back is TRYING TO EMULATE A LIFELESS THING: they are REJECTING LIFE.

"FOOL GOSPEL" Christians only Pray for THOSE WHOM THEY LOVE- when NO ONE is LOOKING at them, to see how "Spiritual" they are.

Public Prayers generally need to be repeated IN PRIVATE- or they don't count.

No Ex-Christian can say that they didn't know about all these stipulated requirements.

WHEN Mrs. OLUBUNMI DIYA PRAYED TO RAISE HER DROWNED HUSBAND, SON, AND DAUGHTER FROM THE DEAD, ON CHRISTMAS DAY, 2019- YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THAT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME SHE EVER HEARD THAT CHURCH MEMBERS HAD DIED: THIS WAS MERELY THE FIRST TIME THAT IT HAPPENED TO PEOPLE WHOM SHE CARED ABOUT.

That is why she FAILED.

She had NEVER BOTHERED to acquire the Power to Raise the Dead before then- SHE DIDN'T CARE THAT OTHER CHURCH MEMBERS- LET ALONE FELLOW PENTECOSTALS- WERE DYING EVEN DAILY: IT WAS ONLY WHEN IT INVOLVED HER LOVED ONES, THAT SHE WANTED TO APPLY HER FAITH![/b]

YAHWEH GOD sets BOOBY-TRAPS by HIDING unstated Commandments inside STATED Commandments.

Therefore, Lord Yeshua was not sent to say:

"THOU SHALT LOVE EVERYBODY!"

Instead, he was Commanded by God to say:

"LOVE THINE ENEMIES!"

If you have spent an hour praying for people who want you dead, HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU SPARE TO PRAY FOR YOUR FELLOW BRETHREN?

How much time would you earmark for TOTAL STRANGERS, who do not know you, nor your Brethren?

If you obeyed the EXPLICITLY STATED Commandments, you would have discovered the IMPLICIT Commandments: which HYPOCRITES WILL SCORN, saying:

"I HAVE NO TIME TO WASTE DOING THAT!"

Early in his Ministry, ORAL ROBERTS prayed:

"How can I know Jesus?"

He was answered:

"READ MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, JOHN, AND THE BOOK OF ACTS- THREE TIMES IN THIRTY DAYS!"

He did it on his knees.

At the end of the thirty days, he testified, he knew Jesus better than he knew any man on the Face of the Earth!

MOST HYPOCRITICAL CHRISTIANS WILL NEVER DO THIS.

They will invariably give some EXCUSE why they "CAN'T SPARE THE TIME."

Applying this great Revelation, you find a LORD YESHUA that NO ORGANIZED CHURCH wants to know!

When you read through Chapters that Organized Christianity Theologians break up over WEEKS into MONTHS, you find that their interpretations are INSIPID, LUKEWARM, DISTORTED, AND EVEN COMPLETELY FALSE.

Bacteriologist:

When you mean I practice faith ignorantly, it's hard to determine what you mean because I just explained Faith based on the contextual definition of it (according to religion).

Except you're saying that anyone who rejects faith as a good way of determine the truth never understood what faith really means which wood then be pointing back to the logical fallacy called the "No true Scotsman."

Read about that and why it is logically flawed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

so I'm sorry you're going to have to do better if you want me to take your acceptance of faith as a good way of determining the truth more seriously.

SALVATION LIES IN THE GOSPEL OF LORD YESHUA- NOT IN COLONIALISTIC PHILOSOPHICAL ABOMINABLE SELF-JUSTIFICATIONS!

.. LUKE 16:1-15.

AND he said also unto his Disciples,

"There was a certain rich man,
which had a steward;
and the same was accused unto him
that he had wasted his goods.
2. "And he called him,
and said unto him,

'HOW IS IT THAT
I HEAR THIS OF THEE?
GIVE AN ACCOUNT
OF THY STEWARDSHIP;
FOR THOU MAYEST BE
NO LONGER STEWARD.'


3. "Then the steward said
within himself,

'WHAT SHALL I DO?
FOR MY LORD
TAKETH AWAY FROM ME
THE STEWARDSHIP:
I CANNOT DIG,
TO BEG I AM ASHAMED.
4. 'I AM RESOLVED
WHAT TO DO,
THAT, WHEN I AM
PUT OUT OF THE STEWARDSHIP,
THEY MAY RECEIVE ME
INTO THEIR HOUSES.'


5. "So he called every one
of his lord's debtors unto him,
and said unto the first,

'HOW MUCH OWEST THOU
UNTO MY LORD?'


6. "And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF OIL.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND SIT DOWN QUICKLY,
AND WRITE FIFTY.'


7. "Then said he to another,

'AND HOW MUCH
OWEST THOU?'


And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF WHEAT.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND WRITE FOURSCORE.'


8. "And the lord commended
the Unjust Steward,
because he had done wisely:
for the Children of this World
are in their Generation
wiser than the Children of Light.
9. "And I Say unto you,

'MAKE TO YOURSELVES FRIENDS
OF THE MAMMON
OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;
THAT, WHEN YE FAIL,
THEY MAY RECIEVE YOU
INTO EVERLASTING HABITATIONS.'


10. "He that is Faithful
in that which is Least
is Faithful also in Much:
and he that is Unjust
in the Least
is Unjust also in Much.
11. "If therefore ye have not been
Faithful in the Unrighteous Mammon,
who will commit to your trust
The True Riches?
12. "And if ye have not
been Faithful
in that which is
another man's,
who shall give you
that which is your own?
13. "No Servant can
serve two Masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and Mammon."

14. And the Pharisees also,
who were Covetous,
heard all these things,
and they derided him.
15. And he Said unto them,

"Ye are they
which justify yourselves
before Men;
but God knoweth
your hearts:
for that which is
Highly Esteemed
amongst Men
is Abomination
in The Sight of God."

IN EVERY SINGLE CASE OF EX-CHRISTIANITY, THE EX-CHRISTIANS ALWAYS LOVED THOSE WHO TAUGHT THEM TO DISOBEY AND IGNORE PARTS OF LORD YESHUA'S TEACHINGS- WHILE HATING THOSE TRUE CHRISTIANS WHO BELIEVED IN OBEYING COMMANDMENTS AND TEACHINGS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FOLLOW!

Only a COMPLETE FOOL would expect GOD to RECOGNIZE them as His Children, or to LOVE them.

. JOHN 15:1-16.

"I AM The True Vine,
and my Father is The Husbandman.
2. "Every branch in me
that beareth not Fruit
He taketh away:
and every branch
that beareth Fruit,
He purgeth it,
that it may bring forth
more Fruit.
3. "Now ye are clean
through the Word
Which I have Spoken
unto you.
4. "Abide in me,
and I in you.
As the branch cannot
bear fruit of itself,
except it abide in the vine;
no more can ye,
except ye abide in me.
5. "I am the Vine,
ye are the Branches:

'HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME
AND I IN HIM,
THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH
MUCH FRUIT:'


for without me
ye can do Nothing.
6. "If a man abide not in me,
he is cast forth as a branch,
and is withered;
and men gather them,
and cast them into the Fire,
and they are burned.
7. "If ye abide in me,
and my Words abide in you,
ye shall ask what ye will,
and it shall be done unto you.
8. "Herein is
my Father Glorified,

'THAT YE BEAR
MUCH FRUIT.'


so shall ye be my Disciples.
9. "As The Father
hath Loved me,
so have I Loved you:
continue ye in my Love.
10. "If ye keep my Commandments,
ye shall abide in my Love;
even as I have kept
my Father's Commandments,
and abide in His Love.
11. "These things have I
Spoken unto you,
that my Joy
might remain in you,
and that your joy
might be full.
12. "This is my Commandment,

'THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER,
AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.'


13. "Greater love
hath no man than this,

'THAT A MAN
LAY DOWN HIS LIFE
FOR HIS FRIENDS.'


14. "Ye are my Friends,
if ye do whatsoever
I Command you.
15. "Henceforth I call you
not "Servants;"
for the servant knoweth not
what his lord doeth:
but I have called you "Friends;"
for all things that I have
heard of my Father
I have made known unto you.
16. "Ye have not chosen me,
but I have chosen you,
and ordained you,
that ye should go
and bring forth Fruit,
and that your Fruit
should remain:
that whatsoever ye shall ask
of The Father in my Name,
He may give it you."

LORD YESHUA EXPLICITLY STATED THAT THOSE CHRISTIANS WHO FAIL TO SERVE THEIR FELLOW BRETHREN WOULD BE SENT INTO HELL.

.     MATTHEW 25:31-46.

31. "When The Son of Man
shall come in his Glory,
and all the Holy Angels
with him,
then shall he sit upon
The Throne of his Glory:
32. "And before him
shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate
them one from another,
as a shepherd divideth
his sheep from the goats:
33. "And he shall set the sheep
on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
34. "Then shall the King say
unto them on his right hand,

'COME,
YE BLESSED OF MY FATHER,
INHERIT THE KINGDOM
PREPARED FOR YOU
FROM THE FOUNDATION
OF THE WORLD:
35. 'FOR I WAS AN HUNGRED,
AND YE GAVE ME MEAT:
I WAS THIRSTY,
AND YE GAVE ME DRINK:
I WAS A STRANGER,
AND YE TOOK ME IN:
36. 'NAKED,
AND YE CLOTHED ME:
I WAS SICK,
AND YE VISITED ME:
I WAS IN PRISON,
AND YE CAME UNTO ME.'


37. Then shall the Righteous
answer him,
saying,

'LORD,
WHEN SAW WE THEE
AN HUNGRED,
AND FED THEE?
OR THIRSTY,
AND GAVE THEE DRINK?
38. 'WHEN SAW WE THEE
A STRANGER,
AND TOOK THEE IN?
OR NAKED,
AND CLOTHED THEE?
39. 'OR WHEN SAW WE THEE
SICK,
OR IN PRISON,
AND CAME UNTO THEE?'


40. "And the King shall answer
and say unto them,

'VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,

"INASMUCH AS
YE HAVE DONE IT
UNTO ONE OF
THE LEAST OF THESE
MY BRETHREN,
YE HAVE DONE IT
UNTO ME." '


41. "Then shall he say also
unto them on the left hand,

'DEPART FROM ME,
YE CURSED,
INTO EVERLASTING FIRE,
PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL
AND HIS ANGELS:
42. 'FOR I WAS AN HUNGRED,
AND YE GAVE ME NO MEAT:
I WAS THIRSTY,
AND YE GAVE ME NO DRINK:
43. 'I WAS A STRANGER,
AND YE TOOK ME NOT IN:
NAKED,
AND YE CLOTHED ME NOT:
SICK,
AND IN PRISON,
AND YE VISITED ME NOT.'


44. "Then shall they also
answer him,
saying,

'LORD,
WHEN SAW WE THEE
AN HUNGRED, OR ATHIRST,
OR A STRANGER, OR NAKED,
OR SICK, OR IN PRISON,
AND DID NOT MINISTER
UNTO THEE?'


45. "Then shall he
answer them,
saying,

'VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,

"INASMUCH AS
YE DID IT NOT
TO ONE OF
THE LEAST OF THESE,
YE DID IT NOT TO ME." '


46. "And these shall go away
into Everlasting Punishment:
but the Righteous into Life Eternal."

ARE YOU STUPID, INSANE, OR BOTH TO ACCEPT THE ARGUMENTS OF STUPID AND INSANE OYINBOS, WHO ATTENDED CHURCHES THAT HATED BLACKS- AND KNEW THAT THEY WOULD GO TO HELL- EVEN FOR HOW THEY TREATED THEIR FELLOW OYINBOS?

How can you expect results of following Instructions, when you refuse to follow the Instructions?

Do you REALLY think that God has to create a New System to accommodate YOU: HIS ENEMY?

[Concluded.]
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by budaatum: 6:21pm On Jan 26, 2020
oaroloye:
True Christians do not TEST their FAITH: THEY APPLY IT.
This, Tamaratonye1, is the sort of ignorance you talk about. Your error however, is in thinking this stupidity is the stupidity of God and every one else who reads the Bible and not that of he individual oaroloye.

A wiser person might argue that "THEY APPLY IT" is the same as "TEST their FAITH". But like you, why test the brain when you can make up crap in your head and believe it?
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Tamaratonye1(f): 7:44pm On Jan 26, 2020
budaatum:

Yet, hear you making the most noise.

I still have faith in you though. Let me know when you've read the entire book instead of quoting selective verses out of your misunderstood context.
Didn't you see the sign? "Check Your Faith At The Front Door"

Your posts would be a lot less juvenile and your responses much more thought out had you simply followed the directions.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by budaatum: 7:54pm On Jan 26, 2020
Tamaratonye1:

Didn't you see the sign? "Check Your Faith At The Front Door"

Your posts would be a lot less juvenile and your responses much more thought out had you simply followed the directions.
Only the brainless unquestioningly follow instructions as you assume they do, despite the fact that you know they don't follow the instruction that clearly states, "don't kill" and "don't lie".

Are you sure your understanding of the sign you see at the door isn't "Check Your Faith Brain At The Front Door"? You have my permission to ignore it!

P.s. Over in this thread are people agreeing with you that religious texts tell followers to kill. They just don't agree their own religious text tells them to kill. I'm enjoying their not seeing your ignorance.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by oaroloye(m): 12:49am On Jan 27, 2020
MISHIGAS!

Bacteriologist:

Faith doesn't like to be tested because most of the time it is not based on truth. Only what is based on truth likes to be tested.

. EXODUS 17:7.

7. And he called
the name of the place Massah,
and Meribah,
because of the chiding
of the Children of Israel,
and because they tempted
The LORD,
Saying,

"IS THE LORD AMONG US,
OR NOT?"


. DEUTERONOMY 6:16.

6. Ye shall not tempt
The LORD your God,
as ye tempted him in Massah.

EVERYONE WHO WAS EVER ANY SORT OF CHRISTIAN KNOWS THAT TESTING FAITH IS A SIN.

. MATTHEW 4:1-11.

THEN was Jesus led
up of The Spirit
into the wilderness
to be tempted of The Devil.
2. And when he had fasted
forty days and forty nights,
he was afterward an hungred.
3. And when The Tempter
came to him,
he said,

"If thou be the Son of God,
command that these stones
be made bread."

4. But he answered and Said,
"It is written,

'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE
BY BREAD ALONE,
BUT BY EVERY WORD
THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF
THE MOUTH OF GOD.' "


5 Then the Devil taketh him
up into the Holy City,
and setteth him
on a pinnacle of the Temple,
6 And saith unto him,

"If thou be The Son of God,
cast thyself down:
for it is written,

'HE SHALL
GIVE HIS ANGELS
CHARGE CONCERNING THEE:
AND IN THEIR HANDS
THEY SHALL BEAR THEE UP,
LEST AT ANY TIME
THOU DASH THY FOOT
AGAINST A STONE.' "


7. Jesus Said unto him,

"It is written again,

'THOU SHALT NOT TEMPT
THE LORD THY GOD,'


8. Again, the Devil
taketh him up
into an exceeding
high mountain,
and sheweth him
all The Kingdoms of the World,
and the Glory of them;
9. And saith unto him,

"All these things
will I give thee,
if thou wilt fall down
and worship me."

10. Then Saith Jesus
unto him,

"Get thee hence, Satan:
for it is written,

'THOU SHALT WORSHIP
THE LORD THY GOD,'


and

'HIM ONLY
SHALT THOU SERVE.' "


11. Then the Devil
leaveth him,
and, behold,
Angels came
and ministered unto him.

WHAT SORT OF CHRISTIAN DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT THE TEMPTATION OF LORD YESHUA?

. MATTHEW 17:14-21.

14. And when they were
come to the multitude,
there came to him
a certain man,
kneeling down to him,
and saying,

15. "Lord, have Mercy
on my son:
for he is lunatick,
and sore vexed:
for ofttimes he falleth
into the fire, and oft
into the water.
16. "And I brought him
to thy Disciples,
and they could not cure him."

17. Then Jesus answered
and Said,

"O Faithless and
perverse generation,
how long shall I be with you?
How long shall I suffer you?
Bring him hither to me."

18. And Jesus rebuked
the Devil;
and he departed out of him:
and the child was cured
from that very hour.
19. Then came the Disciples
to Jesus apart,
and said,

"Why could not we
cast him out?"

20. And Jesus Said unto them,

"Because of your unbelief:
for verily I Say unto you,

'IF YE HAVE FAITH
AS A GRAIN
OF MUSTARD SEED,
YE SHALL SAY
UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN,


"REMOVE HENCE
TO YONDER PLACE;"

AND IT SHALL REMOVE;
AND NOTHING
SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE
UNTO YOU.'


21 "Howbeit this kind
goeth not out
but by Prayer and Fasting."

ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT LORD YESHUA WAS SPECIAL, BECAUSE HE NEVER SINNED, HIS WHOLE LIFE.

Yet, to start his Ministry, EVEN HE had to FAST for forty days and forty nights.

FASTING IS ONE OF THE GREATEST SECRETS OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION: OYINBO RELIGION, EDUCATION, SCIENCE, AND MEDICINE, ARE IN SN ACTIVE CONSPIRACY TO HIDE THE FACTS ABOUT FASTING FROM THE PUBLIC.

Spiritual Energy is required to PROCESS meals: if one Fasts, this Energy can be redeployed to perform Spiritual Feats of Power.

A person of normal weight has enough bodyfat to sustain them for as long as forty days and forty nights, not only without injury, but with significant Health Benefits.

For instance, FASTING ALONE CURES 98% OF ILLNESSES AND AILMENTS.

The Oyinbo Governments want this Knowledge covered up.

BEFORE ATTEMPTING A FAST OF LONGER THAN 72 HOURS, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THOROUGHLY RESEARCH THE FACTS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS OF FASTING, [i]BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, YOU CAN KILL YOURSELF.


I nearly killed myself with my first 72 hour Fast, so I speak from authority.

I know of a couple of Pastors who both died, PEEING BLOOD, on the 7th days of their (separate) Fasts.

I WAGER THAT ANY EX-CHRISTIAN ATHEIST, SWEARING THAT THERE IS "NO EVIDENCE OF GOD NOR SPIRIT BEINGS!" NEVER FASTED A DAY IN THEIR LIFE.

When you enter the 4th day of Fasting for the first time, you begin to learn that everything you were taught about your Mind and your Body your whole life was a lie!

Bacteriologist:

This would explain why most religions are hostile to logical questioning and people asking questions.

ATHEISTS ALWAYS LIE AND DELIBERATELY MISLEAD!

Talk about the only relevant Religion: CHRISTIANITY- the one that we practice here.

MUSLIMS cannot be questioned about their Religion, because It is a LOSING PASCAL'S WAGER. ALLAH does not Promise to do anything for Muslims, until after they have died for him.

That is consistent with the contention of NAGUALISM: that RELIGIONS were created by the "INORGANIC BEINGS" in order to enable them to FEED ON OUR LIFE FORCE.

All Human Problems involve TEMPTATION TO BREAK COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

If you succeed in KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENT, you CORRECTLY SOLVED THE PROBLEM: you are IMMEDIATELY Rewarded by GOD with ADDED LIFE ENERGY.

Enough Life Energy opens THE TEN TALENTS, and enables Enlightenment- increased Wisdom and Understanding.

But, if one SINS, one has FAILED to SOLVE the Problem, and COMPROMISED one's ENTIRE LIFE ENERGY RESERVE- the Devils are thys enabled to HARVEST our Life Energy, like DAIRY COWS, or HONEY BEES.

They like to keep us at a meager 1% subsistence level.

Any less, and we slip into Terminal Illness, or Coma; any more, and THE SECOND TALENT can sporadically come on line: we might *see* them. That would be very bad for them, if we *saw* what they were doing.

If that happens, they usually have to kill us.

. LUKE 17:1-10.

THEN Said he
unto the Disciples,

"It is impossible but that
offences will come:
but woe unto him,
through whom they come!
2. "It were better for him
that a millstone
were hanged about his neck,
and he cast into the Sea,
than that he should offend
one of these little ones.
3. "Take heed to yourselves:
If thy Brother trespass
against thee,
Rebuke him;
and if he Repent,
Forgive him.
4. "And if he trespass
against thee
seven times in a day,
and seven times in a day
turn again to thee,
saying,

'I REPENT;'

thou shalt forgive him."

5. And the Apostles said unto the Lord,

"Increase our Faith."

6. And the Lord said,

"If ye had Faith
as a grain of mustard seed,
ye might say unto this Sycamine tree,

'BE THOU PLUCKED UP
BY THE ROOT,
AND BE THOU PLANTED
IN THE SEA;'


7. "But which of you,
having a servant
plowing or feeding cattle,
will say unto him by and by,
when he is come from the field,

'GO AND SIT DOWN TO MEAT?'

8. "And will not rather say unto him,

'MAKE READY
WHEREWITH I MAY SUP,
AND GIRD THYSELF,
AND SERVE ME,
TILL I HAVE EATEN
AND DRUNKEN;
AND AFTERWARD THOU
SHALT EAT AND DRINK?'


9. "Doth he thank that servant
because he did the things
that were commanded him?
I trow not.
10. "So likewise ye,
when ye shall have done
all those things
which are Commanded you,
say,

'WE ARE
UNPROFITABLE SERVANTS:
WE HAVE DONE THAT
WHICH WAS OUR
DUTY TO DO.' "


STEALING OUR LIFE ENERGIES when we SIN or DIE is how the Devil's SURVIVE: without our collective stupidity, they should have gone extinct by now.

Bacteriologist:

If I assert that I have faith that a magical fairy in my bedroom watches over me while I sleep at night, I would become uncomfortable when someone asked me to maybe snap a photo of the fairy or something like that.

IT IS NOT "FAITH," UNLESS THE FAIRY TOLD YOU THAT THEY WOULD WATCH OVER YOU, AND PROTECT YOU.

You don't control Fairies, nor have an Agreement with Entities who do.

A WICKED AND ARROGANT OYINBO NAMED JAMES RANDI HAS OFFERED FIRST $1,000, IN 1965, AND NOW $1,000,000 FOR ANY INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE OF THE SUPERNATURAL.

Anyone with such Evidence would be a fool to present themselves to such an Evil man. He claims that he has never seen such Evidence.

That means either:

(1) HE HAS NEVER SINCERELY LOOKED FOR SUCH EVIDENCE.

He did a video criticizing the Guru PRALAD JANI'S examination by the Chinese Government. The Guru has neither eaten nor drunk anything for 70 years, and they were investigating that claim, to see if they could teach it to their Soldiers.

Randi sneered: "I wonder why they didn't call ME?"

I will tell you why: for hundreds of years, HIS RACE literally EXTERMINATED people with those abilities.

I am surprised he allowed the Chinese Government to examine him for ten days, in which it was determined that he didn't eat nor drink, but was fine.

It was clear to me- from the MRI results, that he was absorbing water through his skin. We can sometimes do that.

On mountaintops, we can inhale our daily requirement from the AIR.

But his ability to go without FOOD Specifically comes from THREE Hindu goddesses that manifested to him as a boy, and promised to feed him, if he served them.

Sixty years ago, the Chinese Government sent it's military into TIBET, to MURDER such men in their Meditation Cells.

(2) JAMES RANDI IS FAKING HIS NEGATIVE RESULTS.

Why should he admit his theories were lies? Instruments can be made to read anything the Scientists want.

They keep their REAL readings, AND their money!

(3) EVERYONE WITH A POSITIVE RESULT WAS KILLED.

American Intelligence has spent millions into billions, trying to WEAPONIZE Spiritual Knowledge.

Their Commando Teams can kidnap anyone from anywhere in the World, to GUANTANAMO ("GITMO!"wink or AREA 51 in NEVADA.

Who wants to DIE in those their labs?

IF OYINBOS HAD CONCRETE EVIDENCE OF THE SPIRITUAL REALM, THEY WOULD POUR BILLIONS INTO REFINING WAYS TO ACCESS IT RELIABLY.

Next, they will attempt to CONQUER those WORLDS- which our people and Native Americans have known about, AND BEEN TO- for MILLENNIA.

That is what the Oyinbos have ALWAYS done, WHENEVER they find New Lands.

Go and research: OPERATION AJAX!
Go and research: THE FALKLANDS ISLANDS WAR!

IT IS VERY DANGEROUS TO PHOTOGRAPH A SPIRIT BEING.

A Spirit Being can elect to not only KILL US for taking its photo- but it can EXTERMINATE OUR DNA from the Earth. All our families involved can be at risk!

The image can be used to SUMMON the Spirit Being.

It can also be used to summon the SOUL of whoever SAW the image, and GAZED on it too much.

A co-worker, heard some Voice call another co-worker in a Dream. Yorubas who love their children teach them that if someone calls your name in a Dream, YOU ARE NOT TO ANSWER.

(MY parents never told me SHIT about our Beliefs.)

In the morning, it emerged that this co-worker died in her sleep.

I barely did any experimenting with Dreaming: I quit immediately I found some one apparently in my Dreamspace with me.

A while after that, I had a Dream in which I was having some horrible stuff done to me, by people I knew; another co-worker's daughter, whom I had known growing up, who married another co-worker, and whom I used to buy my provisions from, OUT-OF-THE-BLUE- the two of us never discussing such things together, ever- came by the Office, and remarked to me, that she had Dreamed that those same people I saw in my Dream, were doing to me what I had experienced in that Dream, but told no one about.

That was the first and last time we ever discussed Dreams.

This shit isn't funny: if you don't know what you are doing, you can kill yourself.

Talking about photographing a Fairy is what OYINBOS think about. An AFRICAN will literally NOT. THINK. SUCH. A. THING.

This is how you LOSE your entire damn VILLAGE.

An Oyinbo would be thinking to go sell it to SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN or something- and WOULD NOT CARE, if TEN OR TWENTY years down the road, they built a "STARGATE" into their Realm, and LOOTED it.

Bacteriologist:

If I happened to be robbed at night for example I would look for irrational justifications to cover up my belief that perhaps the fairy was still watching over me but somehow my security got breached. Like maybe I offended it or something. (The same thing Christians do when a tragedy befalls them and they say "you let your guard down" by indulging in sin or it was "god's plan" anyway.)

.     DEUTERONOMY 29:18-29.

18. Lest there should be among you
man, or woman, or family, or tribe,
whose heart turneth away this day
from The LORD our God,
to go and serve the gods of these nations;
lest there should be among you a root
that beareth gall and wormwood;
19. And it come to pass,
when he heareth the Words of this Curse,
that he bless himself in his heart,
saying,

"I SHALL HAVE PEACE,
THOUGH I WALK IN THE IMAGINATION
OF MINE HEART,
TO ADD DRUNKENNESS TO THIRST:"


20. The LORD will not spare him,
but then The Anger of The LORD
and His Jealousy shall smoke against that man,
and all The Curses that are written in this Book
shall lie upon him,
and the LORD shall blot out his name
from under Heaven.
21. And The LORD shall separate him unto Evil
out of all the Tribes of Israel,
according to all the Curses of the Covenant
that are written in this Book of the Law:
22. So that the Generation to come
of your children that shall rise up after you,
and the stranger that shall come from a far land,
shall say, when they see the Plagues of that land,
and the Sicknesses which The LORD hath laid upon it;
23. And that the whole land thereof
is brimstone, and salt, and burning,
that it is not sown,
nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein,
like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah,
Admah, and Zeboim,
which the LORD overthrew in His Anger,
and in His Wrath:
24. Even all nations shall say,

"WHEREFORE HATH THE LORD
DONE THUS UNTO THIS LAND?
WHAT MEANETH THE HEAT
OF THIS GREAT ANGER?"


25. Then men shall say,

"BECAUSE THEY HAVE FORSAKEN THE COVENANT
OF THE LORD GOD OF THEIR FATHERS,
WHICH HE MADE WITH THEM
WHEN HE BROUGHT THEM FORTH
OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT:
26. "FOR THEY WENT AND SERVED OTHER GODS,
AND WORSHIPPED THEM,
GODS WHOM THEY KNEW NOT,
AND WHOM HE HAD NOT GIVEN UNTO THEM:
27. "AND THE ANGER OF THE LORD
WAS KINDLED AGAINST THIS LAND,
TO BRING UPON IT ALL THE CURSES
THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK:
28. "AND THE LORD ROOTED THEM
OUT OF THEIR LAND IN ANGER,
AND IN WRATH,
AND IN GREAT INDIGNATION,
AND CAST THEM INTO ANOTHER LAND,
AS IT IS THIS DAY."


29. The Secret (Things belong)
unto The LORD our God:
but those (Things which are)
revealed belong unto us
and to our Children for ever,
that we may do all
The Words of This Law.

MOST CHRISTIANS HAVE NO RIGHT TO ANGELIC PROTECTION- EVEN WHEN THEY ARE "FULL" GOSPEL BELIEVERS.

That is because their "FAITH" is usually based on PAUL'S THEORY OF IMAGINARY RIGHTEOUSNESS.

. LUKE 14:7-11.

7. And he put forth a Parable
to those which were bidden,
when he marked how
they chose out
the chief rooms;
saying unto them,

8. "When thou art
bidden of any man
to a wedding,
sit not down
in the highest room;
lest a more honourable man
than thou be bidden of him;
9. "And he that bade
thee and him
come and say to thee,

'GIVE THIS MAN PLACE;'

and thou begin with shame
to take the lowest room.
10. "But when thou art bidden,
go and sit down
in the lowest room;
that when he
that bade thee cometh,
he may say unto thee,

'FRIEND,
GO UP HIGHER:'


then shalt thou have worship
in the presence of them
that sit at meat with thee.
11. "For whosoever
exalteth himself
shall be abased;
and he that
humbleth himself
shall be exalted."

PAUL TAUGHT "CHRISTIANS" TO EXALT THEMSELVES, AND CLAIM ATTRIBUTES THEY HAD NOT EARNED.

This gives them the confidence to demand things of God that they have no Right to receive- so, they don't.

Bacteriologist:

Faith becomes irrelevant in the face of actual evidence because Faith has nothing to do with the truth. if anything, faith makes people care less about the truth because they can now fully believe lies based on Faith alone. And they can now justify that belief in the wrong because they accept it based on faith and claim it is sufficient.

HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE YOU GET TO BE SO DELUSIONAL?

You know about the WORLDWIDE PENTECOSTAL/CHARISMATIC REVIVAL. You cannot pretend not to.

You know that Divine Power is real.

How do you seriously think this ENDS for you?
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by oaroloye(m): 2:28am On Jan 27, 2020
MISHIGAS!

oaroloye:

MISHIGAS!

. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is
The Law and The Prophets.
13. "Enter ye in
at The Strait Gate:
for wide is the Gate,
and broad is the way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be
which go in thereat:
14. "Because strait is the Gate,
and narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life,
and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you
in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are
ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them
by their fruits.
Do men gather
grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every Good Tree
bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a Corrupt Tree
bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot
bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree
bring forth Good Fruit.
19. "Every tree that
bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down,
and cast into the Fire.
20 Wherefore by their Fruits
ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one
that saith unto me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but He that doeth
The Will of my Father
Which is in Heaven.
22 Many will say to me
in That Day,

'LORD, LORD,
HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY
WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I
profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth Them,
I will liken him unto
a Wise Man,
which built his house
upon a rock:
25. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded
upon a rock.
26 . "And every one
that heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto
a Foolish Man,
which built his house
upon the sand:
27. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had
ended these Sayings,
the people were astonished
at his Doctrine:
29. For He taught them
as one having authority,
and not as the scribes.

. LUKE 6:35-49.

35. "But love ye your enemies,
and do good,
and lend,
hoping for nothing again;
and your Reward shall be great,
and ye shall be
The Children of The Highest:
for he is Kind unto the Unthankful
and to the Evil.
36. "Be ye therefore merciful,
as your Father also is Merciful.
37. "Judge not,
and ye shall not be Judged:
condemn not,
and ye shall not be Condemned:
forgive,
and ye shall be Forgiven:
38. "Give,
and it shall be given unto you;
Good Measure,
Pressed Down,
and Shaken Together,
and Running Over,
shall men give into your bosom.
For with the same measure
that ye mete withal
it shall be measured to you again."

39. And he Spake a Parable
unto them,

"Can the blind lead the blind?
shall they not both fall
into the ditch?
40. "The disciple is not
above his master:
but every one that is perfect
shall be as his master.
41. "And why beholdest
thou the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but perceivest not
the beam that is in
thine own eye?
42. "Either how canst thou
say to thy brother,

'BROTHER,
LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE THAT IS
IN THINE EYE,'


when thou thyself
beholdest not
the beam that is
in thine own eye?
Thou Hypocrite,
cast out first
the beam out of
thine own eye,
and then shalt thou
see clearly to pull out
the mote that is in
thy brother's eye.
43. "For a good tree
bringeth not forth corrupt fruit;
neither doth a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
44. "For every tree
is known by his own fruit.
For of thorns
men do not gather figs,
nor of a bramble bush
gather they grapes.
45. "A Good Man
out of the Good Treasure
of his heart
bringeth forth
that which is Good;
and an Evil Man
out of the Evil Treasure
of his heart
bringeth forth
that which is Evil:
for of the abundance
of the heart
his mouth speaketh.
46. "And why call ye me,
'Lord, Lord,'
and do not the Things
which I say?
47. "Whosoever cometh to me,
and heareth my Sayings,
and doeth them,
I will shew you
to whom he is like:
48. "He is like a man
which built an house,
and digged deep,
and laid the foundation
on a rock:
and when the flood arose,
the stream beat vehemently
upon that house,
and could not shake it:
for it was founded upon a rock.
49. "But he that heareth,
and doeth not,
is like a man
that without a foundation
built an house upon the earth;
against which the stream
did beat vehemently,
and immediately it fell;
and the ruin of that house
was great."

IF YOU SERVED LORD YESHUA, YOU WOULD SPEAK HIS WORDS.

. MATTHEW 10:16-20.

16. "Behold, I send you forth
as sheep in the midst
of wolves:
be ye therefore
wise as serpents,
and harmless as doves.
17. "But Beware of Men:
for they will deliver you up
to the Councils,
and they will scourge you
in their Synagogues;
18. "And ye shall be brought
before governors and kings
for my sake,
for a Testimony against them
and the Gentiles.
19. "But when they
deliver you up,
take no thought
how or what ye shall speak:
for it shall be given you
in that same hour
what ye shall speak.
20. "For it is not ye that speak,
but The Spirit of your Father
Which Speaketh in you."

. JOHN 3:34-36.

34. "For he whom God hath sent
speaketh The Words of God:
for God giveth not the Spirit
by measure unto him.
35. "The Father loveth The Son,
and hath given All Things
into his hand.
36. "He that believeth on
The Son
hath Everlasting Life:
and he that believeth not
The Son
shall not see Life;
but The Wrath of God
abideth on him."

YOU DO NOT SERVE LORD YESHUA, SO YOU RELY ON YOUR OWN SUPPOSED WISDOM, TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO FOLLOW YOU AND YOUR MASTERS, NOT LORD YESHUA.

I AM THE ONLY CHRISTIAN ON NAIRALAND WHO PREACHES THAT CHRISTIANITY IS FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE ONE POPULARLY CALLED CHRIST- AND NOT FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE SO-CALLED APOSTLES, AND OTHER THEORISTS.

No other Christian stands with me.

Whereas that gives me cause for concern, I DO NOT NOT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THAT.


ANY REVOLUTIONARY IDEA
FIRST GOES THROUGH
FOUR PHASES:

(1) "THAT'S THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I EVER HEARD!"

(2) "I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA...!"

(3) "ANY FOOL KNOWS THAT...!"


(4) "I THOUGHT OF IT FIRST!"


. -Arthur C. Clarke.

oaroloye:

True Christians do not TEST their FAITH: THEY APPLY IT.

IF I HAD NOT DEFINED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "TESTING" AND "APPLYING," MY STATEMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN OPEN FOR MISINTERPRETATION: WHICH WOULD BE AN INIQUITY.

. LEVITICUS 19:14.

14. "Thou shalt not
curse the deaf,
nor put a stumblingblock
before the blind,
but shalt fear thy God:
I (am) The LORD."

. NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any man Sin
through Ignorance,
then he shall bring
a She Goat of the first year
for a Sin Offering.
28. "And the Priest
shall make an Atonement
for the Soul
that Sinneth Ignorantly,
when he Sinneth
by Ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement
for him,
and it shall be
forgiven him.
29. " Ye shall have one Law
for him that Sinneth Ignorantly
(both for) him
that is born
among the Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger
that sojourneth
among them.
30. "But the Soul
that doeth
(ought) presumptuously,
(whether he be)
born in the land,
or a Stranger,
the same reproacheth
The LORD;
and that Soul
shall be cut off
from among his people.
31. "Because he hath
despised The Word
of The LORD,
and hath broken
His Commandment,
that Soul
shall utterly be cut off;
his Iniquity
(shall be) upon him."

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God
is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee this day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them
diligently unto thy children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest
in thine house,
and when thou walkest
by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind Them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write Them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

. DEUTERONOMY 25:13-16.

13. Thou shalt not
have in thy bag
divers weights,
a great and a small.
14. Thou shalt not
have in thine house
divers measures,
a great and a small.
15. (But) thou shalt have
a perfect and just weight,
a perfect and just measure
shalt thou have:
that thy days
may be lengthened
in the land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee.
16. For all that do such things,
(and) all that do unrighteously,
(are) an abomination
unto The LORD thy God.

. DEUTERONOMY 27:18.

18. "Cursed be he
that maketh the blind
to wander out of the way."

And all the people shall say,

"AMEN."

.   DEUTERONOMY 27:26.

26. Cursed be he
that confirmeth not all
The Words of This Law
to do them.

And all the people shall say,

"AMEN."

budaatum:

This, Tamaratonye1, is the sort of ignorance you talk about. Your error however, is in thinking this stupidity is the stupidity of God and every one else who reads the Bible and not that of he individual oaroloye.

. LEVITICUS 19:32-37.

32. Thou shalt rise up
before the hoary head,
and honour the face
of the old man,
and fear thy God:
I (am) The LORD.
33. "And if a stranger
sojourn with thee in your land,
ye shall not vex him.
34. " (But) the stranger
that dwelleth with you
shall be unto you
as one born among you,
and thou shalt love him
as thyself;
for ye were strangers
in the land of Egypt:
I (am) The LORD your God.
35. "Ye shall do
no unrighteousness in Judgment,
in meteyard, in weight,
or in measure.
36. "Just balances,
just weights,
a just ephah,
and a just hin,
shall ye have:
I (am) The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the land of Egypt.
37.Therefore shall ye
observe all My Statutes,
and all My Judgments,
and do them:
I am The LORD."

. MATTHEW 5:21-26.

21. "Ye have heard that it was said
by them of Old Time,

'THOU SHALT NOT KILL;'

and

'WHOSOEVER SHALL KILL
SHALL BE IN DANGER
OF THE JUDGEMENT:


22. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY
WITH HIS BROTHER
WITHOUT A CAUSE
SHALL BE IN DANGER
OF THE JUDGMENT:


and whosoever shall say
to his brother,

'RACA,'

shall be in Danger of the Council:
but whosoever shall say,

"THOU FOOL,"

shall be in Danger of Hell Fire.'

23. "Therefore if thou
bring thy Gift to the Altar,
and there rememberest
that thy Brother
hath ought against thee;
24. "Leave there thy Gift
before the Altar,
and go thy way;
first be reconciled to thy Brother,
and then come and offer thy Gift.
25. "Agree with
thine Adversary quickly,
whiles thou art
in the way with him;
lest at any time the Adversary
deliver thee to the judge,
and the Judge deliver thee
to the Officer,
and thou be cast into Prison.
26. "Verily I Say unto thee,

"THOU SHALT BY NO MEANS
COME OUT THENCE,
TILL THOU HAST PAID
THE UTTERMOST FARTHING.' "


It is an OFFENSE AGAINST ME, and AGAINST MY LORD YESHUA, and AGAINST YAHWEH GOD to DOUBT any part of MY UNIQUE TEACHING, and NOT CLEAR IT UP WITH ME.

.    LUKE 10:16.

16. "He that heareth you
heareth me;
and he that despiseth you
despiseth me;
and he that despiseth me
despiseth Him
that sent me."

ANY CHRISTIAN WHO DOES NOT APPLY MY TEACHINGS WILL CEASE TO DEVELOP ANY FURTHER- GOD WILL ALSO CEASE TO ANSWER THEIR PRAYERS- IF HE EVER DID- BECAUSE THEY HAVE REJECTED HIS MESSAGE FROM MY HAND.

This is THE LAW OF GOD: I did not invent It.

At this time, there is no other Christian alive preaching what I am preaching in the English-speaking World.

budaatum:

A wiser person might argue that "THEY APPLY IT" is the same as "TEST their FAITH". But like you, why test the brain when you can make up crap in your head and believe it?

UNJUSTLY CALLING AN ELDERLY SERVANT OF GOD "STUPID" HAS ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES.

We don't approach GOD with MISTRUST- why would we do that?

Testing God is calling Him a POSSIBLE LIAR.

oaroloye:

"FOOL GOSPEL" (sic) Christians, who pray for their dangerously Sick Children, rightly deigning to use readily available Medicine (which is based on GREEK RELIGION,) only to have them DIE MISERABLY, would be examples of what YOU call "UNTESTED FAITH."

You are incorrect.

"TESTING FAITH," in such a case, would be where the Believing Parents went around, two or three times, at least, and prayed for Sick Children or Adults, NOT THEIR OWN, to see whether or not their FAITH could Heal them.

After they were satisfied that their Faith Worked, THEY STOPPED HEALING SICK CHILDREN OR ADULTS, because they had LEARNED what they WANTED TO KNOW: that THEIR FAITH Worked.

Therefore, SATAN took over their Healing Power, and either removed It entirely, or allowed them to Heal ONLY WHOM HE STRATEGICALLY WANTED THEM TO HEAL- SETTING THEM UP
to FAIL at a case of GREAT IMPORTANCE to THEM.

I believe that if you do the RESEARCH, you will find that THAT IS ALWAYS THE CASE, WHEN FOOL GOSPEL PARENTS LOSE THEIR CHILDREN!

"TESTING" is implementing a procedure to see whether or not it works, because it is not personally known, whether or not the procedure actually works.

"APPLYING" a procedure is doing it on the assumption that it works, without doubt- BECAUSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY THE PROCEDURE HAS ARISEN- NOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT WORKS.

It is a SIN not to apply the MIRACLE PROCEDURES Commanded by God.

God does not Say:

"SEE WHETHER YOU CAN HEAL THE SICK, CLEANSE THE LEPERS, RAISE THE DEAD, AND CAST OUT DEVILS."

He Said: "HEAL THE SICK, CLEANSE THE LEPERS, RAISE THE DEAD, AND CAST OUT DEVILS."

The ASSUMPTION that one CAN do what God SAYS one can do, WITHOUT ANY PROOF BUT HIS WORD, that Says we can do it, IS FROM FAITH.

A person who does not have the MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS to RECEIVE GOD'S PROMISES merely PRESUMES that they have what The Word of God Promises to THE WORTHY.

. MATTHEW 7:1-12.

"JUDGE not,
that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what judgment
ye judge,
ye shall be judged:
and with what measure
ye mete,
it shall be
measured to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou
the mote that is in
thy Brother's eye,
but consideredst not
the beam that is in
thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou
say to thy Brother,

' LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'


And behold,
a beam (is) in
thine own eye.
5. "Thou Hypocrite,
first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou
see clearly to cast out
the mote out of
thy brother's eye.

6. "Give not
that which is holy
unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls
before swine,
lest they trample them
under their feet,
and turn again
and rend you.

7. "Ask, and it shall
be given you;
seek, and ye shall find;
knock, and it shall be
opened unto you:
8. "For every one
that asketh receiveth;
and he that seeketh findeth;
and to him that knocketh
it shall be opened.

9. "Or what man
is there of you,
whom if his son ask bread,
will he give him a stone?
10. "Or if he ask a fish,
will he give him a serpent?
11. "If ye then,
being Evil,
know how to give Good Gifts
unto your children,
how much more shall
your Father Which is in Heaven
give Good Things to them
that ask Him?

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is
The Law and The Prophets."

CHRISTIANS WHO UNJUSTLY JUDGE OTHER BRETHREN, WHILE BEING EVEN GUILTIER THEMSELVES, ARE NOT FIT TO CHANNEL THE POWER OF GOD.

Those who do not use their Ability to Receive whatever they want in Prayer, to Pray FOR other people, who cannot Pray for themselves, and Receive whatever they ask for, WILL LOSE THAT ABILITY, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T USE IT FOR THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH IT WAS GIVEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Remember that Lord Yeshua decreed that Healing Unbelievers who recognized their place was "FEEDING CRUMBS TO DOGS."

To ONLY care about those who believe as you do is a SIN, violating explicit Commandments of God, compromising one's ability to get one's Prayers answered.

INTERCESSORY PRAYER FOR PEOPLE WE DO NOT EVEN KNOW, IS HOW TRUE CHRISTIANS APPLY OUR FAITH EVERY DAY.

This is SPIRITUALLY-MOTIVATED, not PHYSICALLY-MOTIVATED- because the Neophyte cannot see whether or not their Prayers have any effect.

At a point, one EMPATHETICALLY CONNECTS with a live target, and FEELS THEIR PAIN AND ANXIETY.

This intensifies to the point where it feels as if one has the exact same problem- which is nothing funny, if the target is TERMINAL.

As one perseveres, one feels the clouds of anxiety, or impaling agonies abruptly lift. If the person being prayed for is discovered, it is invariably found, that they experienced the Solution to their Problem at the exact time that that happened.

What Christians never knew, is that after succeeding on any topic in this way, one should NEVER need to PRAY for THE SAME PROBLEM, ever again, but merely Command the Situation.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by budaatum: 3:52am On Jan 27, 2020
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Tamaratonye1(f): 5:30am On Jan 27, 2020
budaatum:

This, is the sort of ignorance you talk about. Your error however, is in thinking this stupidity is the stupidity of God and every one else who reads the Bible and not that of he individual.

A wiser person might argue that "THEY APPLY IT" is the same as "TEST their FAITH". But like you, why test the brain when you can make up crap in your head and believe it?
True Christians do not TEST their FAITH: THEY APPLY IT. LOL.... and you see the results! They have been applying it for 2000 years and not a fucking thing is going their way! LOLOLOL

budaatum:

Only the brainless unquestioningly follow instructions as you assume they do, despite the fact that you know they don't follow the instruction that clearly states, "don't kill" and "don't lie".

Are you sure your understanding of the sign you see at the door isn't "Check Your Faith Brain At The Front Door"? You have my permission to ignore it!
Your god butchers 25 million innocent men, women and Children in your Holy book of "do not kill." Shut up. Your god threatens eternal death and damnation to all who disbelieve in his bullshit. Shut up. Even the Jesus of the New Testament is exempt from his own teachings as he beats men and women in the market place and overturns their tables. As he displays his bigotry and instructs disciples that non-believers are swine. Only a piece of shit follows a piece of shit god. The Bible is not a book of morality, it is the opposite. From beginning to end it is a book of God's failures, blood sacrifices to right those failures, and an ultimate promise of damnation, even for most who believe.

The sign on the door clearly states, "CHECK YOUR FAITH". You just don't have the ability to see it with your God Goggles on. Take them off for just a moment and you will begin to see the shit you are standing in.

At this juncture, you have stopped putting forward any arguments and are just throwing your toys out of the pram.

Once again, here are the verses. Unless you're dyslexic, you should be able to read and make a good counter-argument:
[b]
“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10).

“Who can fathom the Spirit of the LORD, or instruct the LORD as his counselor? Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was it that taught him knowledge, or showed him the path of understanding?” (Isaiah 40:13-14).

“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4).

“O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways” (Psalm 139:1-3).

“My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. How precious to me are your thoughts, God! How vast is the sum of them! Were I to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand—when I awake, I am still with you” (Psalm 139:15-16).

“Can anyone teach knowledge to God, since he judges even the highest?” (Job 21:22).

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5).

“And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever” (1 Chronicles 28:9).

“Do you know how the clouds hang poised, those wonders of him who has perfect knowledge?” (Job 37:16).

“From heaven the LORD looks down and sees all mankind; from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth—he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do” (Psalm 33:13-15).

“Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!” (Romans 11:33).

“Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13).

“Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows” (Luke 12:7).

“Whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything” (1 John 3:20).

“Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered” (Matthew 10:29-30).
[/b]

I can wager I have read more versions of the "bible" including versions labelled "anathema" , "lost" gospels and other ancillary texts than you have decades of life.

All you are displaying here is an appalling ignorance of debate, your own vacuous arrogance and a severe lack of any corroboration for your claims. You have failed to reference any verse that contradicts my position as illustrated by your own bible. You're just another simpleton who has been preached at, cherry picked verses, done apologetics 101, viewed some YouTube vids and is suddenly a professor of biblical meaning. Despite having NO ANSWER for my post, you seem to appear here on a depressingly regular basis to entertain me all with your lively ignorance, mendacity and lack of knowledge on your faith's origins.

When your first claim of your god's lack of omnipotence and irresponsibility regarding evil was proven wrong in so many verses from your Bible, you have resorted to empty insults.

Entertaining as your stupidity and lack of debating skills may be to your peers, it doesn't cut the mustard here. It just makes you appear as a mewling amateur.

So please crawl off, take your hermeneutics elsewhere and shove them where monkeys flavor their bananas.

Muppet.

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Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Bacteriologist(m): 6:54pm On Nov 17, 2020
orisa37:
You see Truth before FAITH.


When there is truth, faith is no longer required. You only need faith when there's no truth or evidence to suggest anything close to a truth.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 2:24am On Nov 18, 2020
Generally--used assessment/"faith in the truth" is the effect of a social group's exposure to different things.
The issue lies in the number of those assessing or/and the subject being assessed.
Well,ANYTHING(material) exhibits/shows whatever characteristic by chance or the exhibition just happens.
So,if ANYTHING(abstract) is actually true,it means that it just happens to be applicable to various social groups towards carrying out various activities.
For example,1+1=2 just happens to be applicable to various social groups towards carrying out various activities.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 2:40am On Nov 18, 2020
Bacteriologist:


When there is truth, faith is no longer required. You only need faith when there's no truth or evidence to suggest anything close to a truth.
Actually,you should have "faith in the truth"/ generally--used assessment.
Generally-used assessment is the effect of a social group's exposure to different things.
It's also your possession of something (abstract)that can be applied towards various tasks such as making things,fixing things,storing things and arranging things.
But the one that cannot be applied towards establishing anything that's EXPLICABLE by speech or by action is actually "faith in the false".
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Bacteriologist(m): 11:24am On Nov 18, 2020
HellVictorinho:

Actually,you should have "faith in the truth"/ generally--used assessment.
Generally-used assessment is the effect of a social group's exposure to different things.
It's also your possession of something (abstract)that can be applied towards various tasks such as making things,fixing things,storing things and arranging things.
But the one that cannot be applied towards establishing anything that's EXPLICABLE by speech or by action is actually "faith in the false".



I'm not sure this post has anything to do with the point of the discussion.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by DrLiveLogic(m): 7:57pm On Nov 18, 2020
Bacteriologist:
Let's discuss this "Faith" thing. Faith is like the single most important thing in religion and theism in general.

It is safe to say that the basis of theism is faith.

I hear Christians for example, talk about faith a lot and they say that once you have Faith a lot of things especially in the Bible begins to make sense.

Same thing with Muslims. "Faith" in Allah makes you believe that Islam is the true religion.

But my main point is this why would faith be required to know the truth?

A lot of things we recognise as facts and truths today do not require any sort of faith whatsoever.

Does anyone need faith to know that 1 + 1 = 2?

Is faith required to make an airplane glide in the air? Or a ship remain buoyant?

Does anyone need faith to know that water + clay makes mud?

Do you need faith to accept that whatever is thrown up gets pulled back down (except held up by an external force/obstacle?)

It looks like faith is needed only when believing something that cannot be demonstrated or shown to actually be true or exist.

And that is the greatest downfall of this thing called "faith." ANYONE can believe whatever they want and CLAIM it as true based on "Faith."

Christians even call it "evidence of things not seen." Then I can claim to have a dragon in my basement/backyard. And believe it on "faith."

Faith is a good way to believe in anything but is not a reliable way of determining the truth. And it is not enough to believe claims: especially those with heavy weight as god claims based on faith alone.

If you care about the truth, Faith is not enough.

What are your thoughts?

Your definition of faith would be the beginning of the problem with the issue raised. You're not to blame though. The standard dictionary definition and even that held by most Christians themselves and clergymen differs from that presented in the holy book. No, it is not "believing blindly" anything at all as that is inconsistent with reason.
Once the definition is wrong, the purpose of faith will be misconstrued as in your OP being that faith has never been presented as a means of verifying truth in the holy book.

Let's start by agreeing that consciousness is the basis of determination of reality, from which logic becomes a derived means to the same effect.
Then faith would be seen as the substrate e.g. atom/nucleus of the God- matter that can be perceived by consciousness, though not physical.
This is what is meant by Paul:
Heb 11:1 And faith is the substratum of what [we] hope for, the proof material unseen (not physical).

So understand that faith is not given to verify any truth or to make anyone believe anything at all but simply to incorporate the God-essence into humanity with the hope of reuniting humanity with its creator, as a germ or culture which should grow into the whole human matter of mind, soul and body. Without this God-matter of faith, a human remains estranged from the divine being, an aberration in the divine template and is at loggerheads with creator, regardless of the moral standards upheld.
Hence this faith must be sought by all humans if ever they will be made right with creator. Of course, as a side effect, one would automatically adopt a belief system(meaning the mind is infected) consistent and in proportion to the activity of the new found God-matter.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 5:14pm On Nov 19, 2020
Bacteriologist:


I'm not sure this post has anything to do with the point of the discussion.
You were talking about the determination of the truth.
I actually think the truth is determined by chance.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 5:16pm On Nov 19, 2020
DrLiveLogic:


Your definition of faith would be the beginning of the problem with the issue raised. You're not to blame though. The standard dictionary definition and even that held by most Christians themselves and clergymen differs from that presented in the holy book. No, it is not "believing blindly" anything at all as that is inconsistent with reason.
Once the definition is wrong, the purpose of faith will be misconstrued as in your OP being that faith has never been presented as a means of verifying truth in the holy book.

Let's start by agreeing that consciousness is the basis of determination of reality, from which logic becomes a derived means to the same effect.
Then faith would be seen as the substrate e.g. atom/nucleus of the God- matter that can be perceived by consciousness, though not physical.
This is what is meant by Paul:
Heb 11:1 And faith is the substratum of what [we] hope for, the proof material unseen (not physical).

So understand that faith is not given to verify any truth or to make anyone believe anything at all but simply to incorporate the God-essence into humanity with the hope of reuniting humanity with its creator, as a germ or culture which should grow into the whole human matter of mind, soul and body. Without this God-matter of faith, a human remains estranged from the divine being, an aberration in the divine template and is at loggerheads with creator, regardless of the moral standards upheld.
Hence this faith must be sought by all humans if ever they will be made right with creator. Of course, as a side effect, one would automatically adopt a belief system(meaning the mind is infected) consistent and in proportion to the activity of the new found God-matter.
The truth is determined by chance.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Bacteriologist(m): 4:48am On Nov 20, 2020
HellVictorinho:
The truth is determined by chance.

2 + 2 = 4 is a truth.
How is that "determined by chance? "
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Dtruthspeaker: 5:41am On Nov 20, 2020
Bacteriologist:


2 + 2 = 4 is a truth.

How is that "determined by chance? "

"Does anyone need faith to know that 1 + 1 = 2? "

I have been advocating that "faith" is Verified Knowledge, dispensing all Reasonable Questions with Only the Truth Remaining.

And when you act on The Verified Truth, You Begin to Live which is the Short Name of Be-Live!
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 6:28pm On Nov 20, 2020
Bacteriologist:


2 + 2 = 4 is a truth.

How is that "determined by chance? "
You get exposed to its reality by chance.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Bacteriologist(m): 8:16am On Nov 23, 2020
HellVictorinho:

You get exposed to its reality by chance.


The probability of me getting to know the truth has nothing to do with the truth. Your chances of securing visa to travel to Canada doesn't mean Canada isn't real.

Enough with the non-sequiturs already.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 12:29am On Nov 24, 2020
Bacteriologist:


The probability of me getting to know the truth has nothing to do with the truth. Your chances of securing visa to travel to Canada doesn't mean Canada isn't real.

Enough with the non-sequiturs already.
You don't have to secure a visa to know that a country exists.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Bacteriologist(m): 12:37am On Nov 24, 2020
HellVictorinho:

You don't have to secure a visa to know that a country exists.


Same way the probability of encountering the truth has nothing to do with whether the truth exists or not.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 12:55am On Nov 24, 2020
Bacteriologist:


Same way the probability of encountering the truth has nothing to do with whether the truth exists or not.
You don't get what I'm saying.
You can't encounter the truth if it doesn't exist.
But the encounter happens by chance.
Even if the truth exists,it can't be specified except by chance.
ANYTHING can't be specified/identified as this or that except by chance.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Nobody: 1:00am On Nov 24, 2020
Bacteriologist:


Same way the probability of encountering the truth has nothing to do with whether the truth exists or not.
ANYTHING can exist in infinite forms.
Therefore, it's impossible for NOTHING to exist.
But ANYTHING can't be identified/specified except by chance.
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Kobojunkie: 11:40pm On Mar 15, 2023
BIBLESPEAKS:

As the Bible uses the term “faith,” it might be said to relate to two kinds of things: First, to the certainty of things hoped for, things not seen because of their being in the future. And, secondly, to faith in the existence of spirit beings, who are not visible to the human sight because of their not having material bodies; in other words, faith in God and in his promises. Thus we read at Hebrews 11:1 ( New English Bible ): “What is faith? Faith gives substance to our hopes, and makes us certain of realities we do not see.” That is why we are told that Christians must walk by faith and not by sight.​— 2 Cor. 5:7 .
First, contrary to what many may like to believe, Hebrews 11 vs 1 does not contain a definition of the word faith . Rather what the writer does in the context is attempts a figurative comparison of faith with the evidence/substance, the promises of God, that come as a result of ir. Faith itself is not defined in the context of that passage. For this reason, the word faith, in the context, is used in reference to efforts made by such a person as Abraham while pointing out the evidence/benefits that resulted from such effort. undecided

God Himself explained what the word faith means in Genesis 26 vs 5 when He pointed out that the reason why He made a promise to Abraham had to do with the fact that Abraham lived his life in submission and obedience of His, God's, teachings and commandments - Faith. God gave that as the one and the only reason why He made Abraham His friend. This offer we observe Jesus Christ makes with all those of His followers who will do as He says - John 15 vs 9 -14 — those who will submit to and obey His teachings and commandments in the Kingdom of God. So, there you have it. Faith refers to living one's life in continuous submission and obedience to God's commandments and teachings, and in our case, in Jesus Christ. This definition is observed as being used in the Old Testament as well as in the New Covenant by Jesus Christ Himself. undecided
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Kobojunkie: 4:49pm On Mar 16, 2023
Daejoyoung:
■ Have you taken a DNA test to prove that your father is actually your father? lf you do not look so much like him for example, then why do you believe he is your father? lt is because you also operate by faith.
Without faith, so many things would be impossible even science.
What you described isn't faith at all but wishful thinking! undecided
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by Kobojunkie: 4:33pm On Mar 18, 2023
Tamaratonye1:
■ And another mythology fanboy fails to understand the distinction between faith, which is nothing more than uncritical acceptance of unsupported assertions, and inference from insufficient data. The latter involves reliance upon data, even if the data is incomplete, and therefore has NO relation to "faith".
■ Oh, and by the way, those of us who had a proper science education, conducted experiments to verify that the postulates we were being taught were something other than the product of someone's rectal passage.
1. I am afraid you are the one who is wrong because faith is none of what you describe. undecided

2. Faith does not take the place of science in the lives of individuals much the same as abiding by the Law and Constitution of the Land does not take the place of science in the lives of citizens. Faith is synonymous with abiding by the Law and Constitution of the land. undecided
Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by jaephoenix(m): 4:40pm On Mar 18, 2023
Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid you are the one who is wrong because faith is none of what you describe. undecided

2. Faith does not take the place of science in the lives of individuals much the same as abiding by the Law and Constitution of the Land does not take the place of science in the lives of citizens. Faith is synonymous with abiding by the Law and Constitution of the land. undecided
You be case. Necrobumping randomly everyday

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