samuk:


Good that you are warning all your Yoruba folks on how to respond to the Benins because you know they are illiterate dullard.

It's easy to throw mould on great Benin historical achievements and accomplishments when your tribe have nothing to showcase.

The last time in April/May this year we engaged in this kind of debate, you were so beaten, you went on a long sabbatical, only to come back recently to reply to my comment. I am sure you will go back into another long hibernation after this debate because numerous teaching moments awaits you.

What have we learned so far about Yoruba history.

1. I have cited Yoruba historical sources, S. Johnson, Law, etc. That confirmed Ooni as shrine keeper and no royal until 1930.

2. Oyo alleged greatness has been demystified by references provided of Alaafin of Oyo paying tributes to Benin, Alaafin of Oyo request of military assistance from the Oba of Benin to help put down his rebellious neighbours, the Fulani defeat of Oyo and annexation of Ilorin till date.

3. I made reference to the Awujale of Ijebu Ode rejection of Ife/Oduduwa lineage and rejection of Ooni of Ife supremacy.

4. I made reference to the Oba of Lagos claiming Oba of Benin as his historical father.

5. I provided Yoruba historical accounts and references of how Benin dominated eastern Yoruba.

6. Despite repeated requests, you haven't been able to give convincing reply to the origin of Oduduwa according to early Yoruba historical accounts. We are not interested in your later day revisionist fabrications.

7 Early Yoruba accounts of the origin of Oduduwa traces him to the middle east or from the sky and the Benin version have him from Benin.

So far, almost all parts of Yoruba land have been touched and the thread is only five pages.

Warn ke....

You must be tired of beating....

bonjovi787:


You have made no point at all, all you do is insult, that is just trolling. I really have no time for trolls.

Trolling indeed...

You won't see my point because you are blind...

Newton85:


What is the Ekiokpagha treaty?

Did u read the origin of the treaty?

Where is it heard that the defeated dictates the terms of a treaty?

Besides.. according to Benin folklore, Ogiso Owodo had only one child who was banished...

So where are this that are claiming Ogiso Descendants come from

Edeyoung:




lol this time you didn't cry foul

Cry foul ke...

That is an Edo miscreant thing...

Etrusen:



my problem with you Yoruba's is that you look half message

undeniable the oba said oronmiyan came from ife but you people have refuse finish what he says about oduduwa because that doesn't suit you.

the true story of oduduwa being an individual that sought refuge in ife is with the Olugbo of ugbo land



dont come here to give half scripted page please

You have little knowledge yoruba history and also that of bini, you only know the periphery of both history,

You dont know bini history on a research background, just admit to yourself you dont know and we will find books for you to read

Edeyoung:



You have little knowledge yoruba history and also that of bini, you only know the periphery of both history,

You dont know bini history on a research background, just admit to yourself you dont know and we will find books for you to read

This one Jus dey give him people stray Bullet

Abovebonny:


We are referring to political influence so in this case we mean direct control of specific outcomes.

True empires have more direct control than indirect control.

No this is what influence looks like...

So do u agree that Oyo was an Empire?

PORNeIlusHUBson:


This one Jus dey give him people stray Bullet

We are not coward we are straight foward people
Unlike the cunning yorubas who wouldn't tell their kingsmen the truth... Yorubas are like rat that blows you breeze before eating your feet

Balogunodua:

Cry foul ke...

That is an Edo miscreant thing...

Do you want me to prove it with screenshot

Hmm!?

Etinosa12345:


Did u read the origin of the treaty?

Where is it heard that the defeated dictates the terms of a treaty?

Besides.. according to Benin folklore, Ogiso Owodo had only one child who was banished...

So where are this that are claiming Ogiso Descendants come from

That treatu has nothing to do with ife please dont
Indulge yourself with myth that treaty was a different history on his own, And it has no relationship to with ekaladeran

Ekalderhan story existed independentky too...

bonjovi787:


It is weaird how you guys keep boasting about how "easily the uk defeated Benin empire".
I would have you reminded that nomatter how easily the uk defeated Benin empire, your people were under Benin empire and paid tribut to the Oba of Benin. I would understand your boasting about british war exploits against Benin empire if you were british or white or a racist white, but you are a black man ! a black man whose ancestors paid tribute to the Oba of Benin !

And for your info, your details are totally wrong. The british attacked Benin city directly, they didn't face the entire empire and they had maxim guns (maxim guns) and all sorts of weapons which would devaste regions in ww1.
The maxim gun alone is credited for making it possible for europe to colonize africa.
The british had 1200 marines and a bunch of black canon fodders. Benin empire and its capital Benin city didn't have the firepower which the british had.

But even the british who fought said it was a hard fight and they were happy to have made it out alive.

I am not "black" I am mixed race of Igbo & English heritage.

I don't know why you people love to over exaggerate Benin's scope of influence.
Perhaps a small minority of independent Igbo villages west of the Niger paid tribute to the Oba's its likely, but the Igbos were not a united entity.
Talk case specific and stop saying Benin ruled everyone and their ancestors abeg
Next you will tell us that the ancient Egyptians also paid tribute...

What Benin Empire?!?!?
It was a kingdom get a grip man.

lack of firepower is no excuse for lack of resistance, Benin folded in 9 days... 9 freaking days
Anglo-Xhosa wars took 100 years to finally conclude.
The Anglo-Ashanti wars lasted for 76 years, ending at the beginning of the 20th century.
The Zulus wiped out the British at Isandlwana, worst defeat by the British at the hands of an inferior foe.
Anglo-Aro war lasted 1 year & yet the majority of Igbos still resisted British conquest.
Ekumeku resistance fought the British for 31 years.

Benin had many warriors but their tactics, superstition and leadership caused their quick demise.

Edeyoung:



Do you want me to prove it with screenshot

Hmm!?

Stop trying to console yourself...

Abovebonny:


I am not "black" I am mixed race of Igbo & English heritage.

I don't know why you people love to over exaggerate Benin's scope of influence.
Perhaps a small minority of independent Igbo villages west of the Niger paid tribute to the Oba's its likely, but the Igbos were not a united entity.
Talk case specific and stop saying Benin ruled everyone and their ancestors abeg
Next you will tell us that the ancient Egyptians also paid tribute...

What Benin Empire?!?!?
It was a kingdom get a grip man.

lack of firepower is no excuse for lack of resistance, Benin folded in 9 days... 9 freaking days
Anglo-Xhosa wars took 100 years to finally conclude.
The Anglo-Ashanti wars lasted for 76 years, ending at the beginning of the 20th century.
The Zulus wiped out the British at Isandlwana, worst defeat by the British at the hands of an inferior foe.
Anglo-Aro war lasted 1 year & yet the majority of Igbos still resisted British conquest.
Ekumeku resistance fought the British for 31 years.

Benin had many warriors but their tactics, superstition and leadership caused their quick demise.

That u fought them for long doesn't depict strength... The Igbos as I've heard used guerrilla tactics against the British as against the Benin who came out openly to face the British who were coming straight to their land

The Benin routed an entire column/unit at gwato...

I don't know why u think Benin gave in easily...
According to reports, it was noted that they got to Benin after 10 days of bitter fighting.. This could be due to that the British already knew the route to Benin that they couldn't be easily diverted unlike the Igbo lands
That France gave in easily to Germany in World war 2 doesn't mean they are weak

TAO11:
Etrusen: So, tell me Tao: (A)What is 2 + 2 ??, and (B)What is that capital of Lagos State ??

Me: (A)2 + 2 is 4, and (B)The capital of Lagos State is Ikeja. Having said that, I really want to touch on the actual relevant issue of •••

Etrusen: Why don’t you answer my questions? Please answer my questions [yet he quotes the same comment containing the answers].

Me:www.nairaland.com/attachments/12764247_ae211438cf114ce8a40cc13d10971a84_jpeg_jpega19392d9286f87690d4462b719f1beed [ROTFLMAO and asking myself] Is “selective seeing syndrome” truly a thing ?? Wonderful !!

These Bini slave-dullards must hurry-up to find a new hubby and get a life.

In the meantime, I’d suggest you all go back to join your sand play-mates. One of them is already waiting.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12647307_img20200916212710_jpeg67fd5262a10290889c45f9b351a68fba


You all are clearly doing a terrible job at defending the poor Yoruba-Oba of Benin kingdom.

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Lol. This Edo people don suffer from your hand.

PORNeIlusHUBson:


So do u agree that Oyo was an Empire?

The only Empire Nigeria ever had was the Sokoto Caliphate...

So no Oyo was not an empire by any means.

Look at the map and tell me Sokoto was not an empire? And that Oyo and Benin were not Kingdoms...

Etinosa12345:


Did u read the origin of the treaty?

Where is it heard that the defeated dictates the terms of a treaty?

Besides.. according to Benin folklore, Ogiso Owodo had only one child who was banished...

So where are this that are claiming Ogiso Descendants come from

Oga, what is the Ekiokpagha treaty? Stop beating about the bush and answer a simple question.

Newton85:


Oga, what is the Ekiokpagha treaty? Stop beating about the bush and answer a simple question.

Firstly... U were the one who made the claim... So u ought to tell me the authenticity of the eKIoKPagHa treaty that the Ogiamen is using to deceive foreigners like u

Did u read the origin of the treaty?

Where is it heard that the defeated dictates the terms of a treaty?

Besides.. according to Benin folklore, Ogiso Owodo had only one child who was banished...

So where are this that are claiming Ogiso Descendants come from

Abovebonny:


The only Empire Nigeria ever had was the Sokoto Caliphate...

So no Oyo was not an empire by any means.

Look at the map and tell me Sokoto was not an empire? And that Oyo and Benin were not Kingdoms...

So Oyo that spread to Benin,Togo, Ghana and majority of western Yorubaland is not an Empire... Na wa ooo

bonjovi787:

Never happened.
Where did you get this rubbish from ?
When you say stuff like this, at least attempt to substantiate it.
Oba Eweka II was raised by Oba Ovonramwen, the last independent emperor of Benin, when Oba Eweka 2 ascended the throne (1914) many people in the region (mostly the yoruba) were afraid he would make his father's empire rise again.

So please prove your claim. I want to see how you are going to explain this rubbish.

You guys really dont know benin history do you


Here is a screenshot from gregyboy
Oba eweka11 agreeing ooni of ife was oghene n uhe, who he used to pray to


I can explain beyond this because if i do i will only make you guys more confused

You have ti learn it yourself


I will give you one screenshot you can ask Tao11 to give you more

Just ask her Tao11 give me quote were benin obas admitted to be from ife

Wahala she will flood you with it

Abovebonny:


The only Empire Nigeria ever had was the Sokoto Caliphate...

So no Oyo was not an empire by any means.

Look at the map and tell me Sokoto was not an empire? And that Oyo and Benin were not Kingdoms...

What is an empire to start with?

Etinosa12345:


That u fought them for long doesn't depict strength... The Igbos as I've heard used guerrilla tactics against the British as against the Benin who came out openly to face the British who were coming straight to their land

The Benin routed an entire column/unit at gwato...

I don't know why u think Benin gave in easily...

That France gave in easily to Germany in World war 2 doesn't mean they are weak

I never said they were weak militarily, but they did not put up fierce resistance against the British as their government was too centralised, so once Edo fell the entire kingdom crumbled.

Facing the British in open battle is just as stupid as facing the Romans in open battle.

Yes, France was inferior to Germany in WW2, the French had many soldiers and artillery but they could not stand up against the German tank's blitzkrieg across the Ardennes Forest and straight into Paris.

PORNeIlusHUBson:


So Oyo that spread to Benin,Togo, Ghana and majority of western Yorubaland is not an Empire... Na wa ooo

just leave that guy, he is confused.

Balogunodua:


Stop trying to console yourself...

Lol.... I guess you don't

If gregyboy was d one debating TAO11 directly tears and wailing will be flooding the comment

Abovebonny:


I never said they were weak militarily, but they did not put up fierce resistance against the British as their government was too centralised, so once Edo fell the entire kingdom crumbled.

The British came through ughoton which was close to the capital... It was only a matter of time before they reached the capital at a short notice to the Oba
Also, for the Benin to have routed an entire column explains that the fighting was a bitter one..... It was just lack of unpreparedness on the part of Benin... The popular exploits of Asoro is a clear sign that Benin were no walkover even tho they lost the war

Facing the British in open battle is just as stupid as facing the Romans in open battle.

It was not possible to plan a guerrilla warfare in such a few days of notice...
There was no other option than to face them openly...

Yes, France was inferior to Germany in WW2, the French had many soldiers and artillery but they could not stand up against the German tank's blitzkrieg across the Ardennes Forest and straight into Paris.

Same as Benin... Benin was inferior to the British.. and used local guns as opposed to the superior firepower of the British... If all things were equal, the British wouldn't have won and they won't even have any Empire in Africa in general... The World wars clearly showed it

Edeyoung:



Lol.... I guess you don't

If gregyboy was d one debating TAO11 directly tears and wailing will be flooding the comment

Greyboy boy has been retired by TAO11 he is now a politician...

Etinosa12345:

The British came through ughoton which was close to the capital... It was only a matter of time before they reached the capital at a short notice to the Oba
Also, for the Benin to have routed an entire column explains that the fighting was a bitter one..... It was just lack of unpreparedness on the part of Benin... The popular exploits of Asoro is a clear sign that Benin were no walkover even tho they lost the war

It was not possible to plan a guerrilla warfare in such a few days of notice...
There was no other option than to face them openly...

Same as Benin... Benin was inferior to the British.. and used local guns as opposed to the superior firepower of the British... If all things were equal, the British wouldn't have won and they won't even have any Empire in Africa in general... The World wars clearly showed it

No war is equal.

I agree with your points, I just wanted to point out that Benin wasn't as powerful as many of the other African kingdoms, or as competent.

Abovebonny2:


No war is equal.

I agree with your points, I just wanted to point out that Benin wasn't as powerful as many of the other African kingdoms, or as competent.

Ohk... Lemme nor say equal...

Maybe if the war had a little gap between the opponent, Africa would never have been colonised

Abovebonny:


The only Empire Nigeria ever had was the Sokoto Caliphate...

So no Oyo was not an empire by any means.

Look at the map and tell me Sokoto was not an empire? And that Oyo and Benin were not Kingdoms...

Why are you being mischievous? Where did you take the screenshot from? And why is your false representation of Sokoto calipate including parts of Yoruba land and other Middle belt minority kingdoms?

At what point in history does your false picture depict? Did you know at some point in history the Dahomey kingdom your picture excluded from Oyo Empire, was a tributary to Oyo itself? And what is parts of Kwara doing in the picture?

And can you provide documented proof of the so called "Aro confederacy" you smuggled into the picture? Thank you in advance.

132two:
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You will soon be ban......