Sin: The First Lie of God
Sin, many have been taught is the defiance of the laws of a so-called God but is it?
_**taught** is a word i chose because we ignorantly go around criticizing sinners even though we do not understand the technicalities of 'SIN'. Sin is what our pastors says it is- based on the books he too had read without commentary from the original author.

Sin can be considered to be the defiance of the law of God, whether deliberately or involuntarily- a sin is a sin, so the religious folks want us to believe. what if i told you, that God- from the onset has laid a beautiful foundation for the existence of sin. if there is anyone to blame for the sin of men, it is none other than God himself. Allow me to elaborate:

Let us take these beautiful goose for example, in an experiment carried out by Niko Tinbergen and Konrad Lorenzon a phenomenon called Fixed Action Pattern.
when the egg of a goose is misplaced(or rolls out) from the nest, the goose is observed to be triggered to use her beak to roll the misplaced egg back into place. now you might wonder what the significance of this phenomenon is to the concept of sin, well it has everything to do with it because that is not the only gist of the experiment.

weird case 1) Take an animate object probably moldable paper, now shapen the paper(paint if you must) to look and have the silhouette of the egg, place the egg besides a nesting goose.
Result: The goose automatically rolls the paper back into the nest.

Theist counter attack: The goose is not intelligent enough to differentiate between real egg and fake egg.

Weird case 2): Take a real goose egg from another goose nest, place it near the nest of our test subject.
Result: The goose takes the egg and rolls it into its own nest.
Theist counter attack: goose egg is goose egg. Even human beings babies get mixed up in hospitals.

Weird case 3): Take a real goose egg,if possible attach a string to it. Place it in front of the goose. then as soon as the goose begins or attempts to roll-in the egg, pull or remove the egg from the bill of the goose.
Result: The goose continues to roll the invincible egg into its nest.
Theist counter attack: God is great.

kkins: [img]https:///ujxe.gif[/img]

theist: What is the essence of this "goose logic"?

to be continued...[img]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_action_pattern#/media/File:Grey_lag.jpg[/img]

kkins25:
Sin: The First Lie of God

The practicality of the experiment is that behaviour could be factory installed in the organism or in this case- the goose. likewise, for humans.

This is just one example of a fixed action pattern. it is rightly named, the 'fixed action pattern' because it is "fixed" and can hardly be resisted by the organism i.e. the goose.

How then does this play in the whole drama of Sin?
The dog would always salivate at the command of food.

God is claimed to have created the organism, this includes all installed mechanism and behaviours that make up the basic character of the organism with humans -not excluded. But what about humans, are they also at the mercy of the complex intrinsic mechanisms that govern behaviour? To a very large extent, YES..so how then is it a SIN when a human whom is subject to pre-installed mechanisms defies the laws of God? God, like i said before is responsible for the mechanisms in the first place.

God and Hormones

Religious folks always babble in ignorance when they chatter that decisions come from the 'mind'. They believe 'to do' something has a connection to the spirit and the soul, but that ideology is down right ridiculous. The so called non existent soul is not responsible for the decisions just as sin is an abstract scandalous concept invented by God.

Fun Fact: your soul and spirit are nowhere but your brain.

Hormones working hand in hand with neurons and neurotransmitters, are directly responsible for every single decision we make. Inorder words, Sin is nothing but the defiance of the law under the influence of hormonal factors. for example, a man with high amount of testosterone is more likely to be temperamental, aggressive, depressed, impulsive, etc. Remember these are conditions that are not under the control of the man but let's not forget God made him so.

** its tempting to write long prose to show case myself but let me keep it simple so that lay man(naija theist) can understand

to be continued....

kkins25:
Sin: The First Lie of God
Sin, many have been taught is the defiance of the laws of a so-called God but is it?
_**taught** is a word i chose because we ignorantly go around criticizing sinners even though we do not understand the technicalities of 'SIN'. Sin is what our pastors says it is- based on the books he too had read without commentary from the original author.

Sin can be considered to be the defiance of the law of God, whether deliberately or involuntarily- a sin is a sin, so the religious folks want us to believe. what if i told you, that God- from the onset has laid a beautiful foundation for the existence of sin. if there is anyone to blame for the sin of men, it is none other than God himself. Allow me to elaborate:

We call you foolish because you are not intelligent andtl you do not know that you are not intelligent, but you think you are.

When a soldier good or not tells you to move do you not immediately obey? Why?

But because He Who is Good is very slow to hurt you, you therefore punish His Goodness with disobedience, spilling foolishness all along the way without fear.

You have only Proven that you do not deserve any good thing.

kkins25:

As I said before, all satans and Satanses come out and play oh, this is your breaktime!

Dtruthspeaker:


We call you foolish because you are not intelligent andtl you do not know that you are not intelligent, but you think you are.

The OP aims to demonstrate to folks like yourself-the influence of intrinsic factors in decision making and ultimately rebutting the concept and ideology of sin which you, D truth speaker solemnly subscribes to.
instead of acknowledging your lack of knowledge on the topic(Biology) you run to calling me names like "foolish" and "unintelligent".

i too believe this is just a 'displacement mechanism' of the human biology because what you do not understand stresses you out, leading you to utter stupeed things. your indeed a 'D'.

kkins25:
The OP aims to demonstrate to folks like yourself-the influence of intrinsic factors in decision making and ultimately rebutting the concept and ideology of sin which you, D truth speaker solemnly subscribes to.
instead of acknowledging your lack of knowledge on the topic(Biology) you run to calling me names like "foolish" and "unintelligent

If you had thought properly, you would have surely seen that what is Identified as sin is very very flexible, flowing from person to person, people to people, place to place.

Sin in Kano is not in Lagos; sin in the east is not in Osun and sin in Saudi Arabia is not in Germany.

Therefore, you would have asked, what is sin? And this is where your search should have shown you that Sin is simply that which offends! A Person, a People, a Race, a Group, etc.

Therefore, your extremely narrow view of what sin is, what was sin to me, for I did not expect that an adult would lay down such a small view.

And I hated your unjust concluision about God only to see that your basis of concluding was even manifestly wrong, so I spoke harshly.

Look at what you wrote up there, if someone said that about you, would you not call on him to justify it, most especially when his wicked allegations even destroys him?

Dtruthspeaker:


If you had thought properly, you would have surely seen that what is Identified as seen is very very flexible, flowing from person to person, people to people, place to place.

yes indeed. however, irrespective of the "person to person, people to people, and place to place" my argument still stands firm.

Sin in Kano is not in Lagos; sin in the east is not in Odin and sin in Saudi Arabia is not in Germany.

same as above.

Therefore, you would have asked, what is sin? And this is where your search should have shown you that Sin is simply that which offends! A Person, a People, a Race, a Group, etc.

ii literally have never heard of this before. if you had said crime-maybe but what you decided to spew up there mehn. it is safe to say your foolishness surpasses mine by a mile stone.

Therefore, your extremely narrow view of what sin is was sin to me, for I did not expect that an adult would lay down such a small view.

And I hated your unjust concluision about God only to see that your basis of concluding was even manifestly wrong, so I spoke harshly.

Look at what you wrote up there, if someone said that about you, would you not call on him to justify it, most especially when his wicked allegations even destroys him?

live that for God ehn....

kkins25:
yes indeed. however, irrespective of the "person to person, people to people, and place to place" my argument still stands firm.

same as above.

ii literally have never heard of this before. if you had said crime-maybe but what you decided to spew up there mehn. it is safe to say your foolishness surpasses mine by a mile stone.


live that for God ehn....

now you have Proven me right for calling you foolish, for you even attempt not to offend
anyone when you go out of your house, unless you wan die!

And na only fool na im wan die! But I respect your choice to commit suicide, I no go disturb you again.

Dtruthspeaker:


now you have Proven me right for calling you foolish, for you even attempt not to offend
anyone when you go out of your house, unless you wan die!

And na only fool na im wan die! But I respect your choice to commit suicide, I no go disturb you again.

muttleylaff, come help me validate or ridicule this diktruthspeaker..see him definition for sin

Dtruthspeaker:

Therefore, you would have asked, what is sin? And this is where your search should have shown you that Sin is simply [b]that which offends! A Person, a People, a Race, a Group, etc.
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MuttleyLaff:
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kkins25:
muttleylaff, come help me validate or ridicule this Dtruthspeaker...see him definition for sin

MuttleyLaff:
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kkins25:

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kkins25:
Sin: The First Lie of God
Sin, many have been taught is the defiance of the laws of a so-called God but is it?
_**taught** is a word i chose because we ignorantly go around criticizing sinners even though we do not understand the technicalities of 'SIN'. Sin is what our pastors says it is- based on the books he too had read without commentary from the original author.

Sin can be considered to be the defiance of the law of God, whether deliberately or involuntarily- a sin is a sin, so the religious folks want us to believe. what if i told you, that God- from the onset has laid a beautiful foundation for the existence of sin. if there is anyone to blame for the sin of men, it is none other than God himself. Allow me to elaborate:

Let us take these beautiful goose for example, in an experiment carried out by Niko Tinbergen and Konrad Lorenzon a phenomenon called Fixed Action Pattern.
when the egg of a goose is misplaced(or rolls out) from the nest, the goose is observed to be triggered to use her beak to roll the misplaced egg back into place. now you might wonder what the significance of this phenomenon is to the concept of sin, well it has everything to do with it because that is not the only gist of the experiment.

weird case 1) Take an animate object probably moldable paper, now shapen the paper(paint if you must) to look and have the silhouette of the egg, place the egg besides a nesting goose.
Result: The goose automatically rolls the paper back into the nest.

Theist counter attack: The goose is not intelligent enough to differentiate between real egg and fake egg.

Weird case 2): Take a real goose egg from another goose nest, place it near the nest of our test subject.
Result: The goose takes the egg and rolls it into its own nest.
Theist counter attack: goose egg is goose egg. Even human beings babies get mixed up in hospitals.

Weird case 3): Take a real goose egg,if possible attach a string to it. Place it in front of the goose. then as soon as the goose begins or attempts to roll-in the egg, pull or remove the egg from the bill of the goose.
Result: The goose continues to roll the invincible egg into its nest.
Theist counter attack: God is great.

kkins: [img]https:///ujxe.gif[/img]

theist: What is the essence of this "goose logic"?

to be continued...

I still see no reason why any theist have to counter that Goose logic. Nowhere did YHWH the God of Israel hold any animal accountable for anything they did.
He spoke of himself in his might to Job, and made mention of how he denied an animal of wisdom when it comes to maternal care, but filled that same animal with strength to race in its seemingly weak legs.

Why would, why should YHWH hold man accountable for a set of actions called sin?

What exactly is sin itself?

The same logic you gave for that goose with not be consistent if it were tried on man.

A man on his own, can choose A today and go for B tomorrow.

A man on his own, can choose to lie today and go for Truth tomorrow.

That ability to make a choice is where the possibility of sin comes.

Adam could have chosen not to eat, and he could have eaten. The only problem is - you are not permitted to do anything not within the confines or boundary of the will of God.

By the way, I get your point, and it would interest you to know that Sin is actually not what many know it to be.
Smiles... The church of God's First son, Yahshua, need a conceptual putting aright of what sin actually is.

kkins25:
[s]muttle.ylaff, come help me validate or ridicule this diktruthspeaker..see him definition for sin[/s]

Pity. You are far better that this. Perhaps you can try harder.
https://www.nairaland.com/6301141/emancipate-yourself-slavery-ignorance

Dtruthspeaker:


now you have Proven me right for calling you foolish, for you even attempt not to offend
anyone when you go out of your house, unless you wan die!

And na only fool na im wan die! But I respect your choice to commit suicide, I no go disturb you again.

Give to ceasars what is ceasars and to God what is God's. I dont think i am supposed to go out offending people. Foolish people would definitely be offended because they "Do" without "thinking".

budaatum:

Pity. You are far better that this. Perhaps you can try harder.
https://www.nairaland.com/6301141/emancipate-yourself-slavery-ignorance

unfortunately buda, the fella did not intend to have an intelligent discourse. i see the greatest philosophers of our time argue without one shred of hate for one another even though they share varying ideologies. We have had such discourses too without having to insult one another but Dtruthspeaker has done something only unintelligent people do hence i abandoned the ship before he recruits me to join his cohort of fools.

Blabbermouth:

[sub]I still see no reason why any theist have to counter that Goose logic. Nowhere did YHWH the God of Israel hold any animal accountable for anything they did.
He spoke of himself in his might to Job, and made mention of how he denied an animal of wisdom when it comes to maternal care, but filled that same animal with strength to race in its seemingly weak legs.

yes he did. But in the past we did not see ourselves as animals, we were ignorant of the fact that like animals our decision making has been built up from billions of years of evolution.

Why would, why should YHWH hold man accountable for a set of actions called sin?
What exactly is sin itself?

That is what this thread hopes to find out. Sin is the same for you and i in terms of the doctrine of christianity, islam and judaism. Doing that which is against the will of God.
Given that God (having supposedly created the world) has imposed upon men the capability to evolve which includes making a whole of lot of mistakes to figure out what the right path is. then why would they be punished for making the mistakes that they were intended to make in the first place.

The same logic you gave for that goose with not be consistent if it were tried on man.
A man on his own, can choose A today and go for B tomorrow.
A man on his own, can choose to lie today and go for Truth tomorrow.
That ability to make a choice is where the possibility of sin comes.
Adam could have chosen not to eat, and he could have eaten. The only problem is - you are not permitted to do anything not within the confines or boundary of the will of God.
By the way, I get your point, and it would interest you to know that Sin is actually not what many know it to be.
Smiles...

The reason why companies that run social media invest heavenly in studying Human Behavior is because they know very well that Humans like the goose are subject to very delicate intrinsic mechanisms that are run to an extent- based on the balance of hormones, structure of neurons and experience gotten from the environment.

How does that relate to sin?
Greed, Lust, Envy, pride or whatever we have chosen to call them are actually behaviours that reside in our biological data for survival. For example take a look at addicts, serial killers, sociopaths, psychopaths, etc. We might consider them evil, which of course they are and might be but when you look at the situation more critically- like from a scientific and philosophical perspective; there are certain questions we need to ask.

1) why can't porn addicts stop wathcing porn when evidence for its detrimental effects kick in?
2) why would a loving man with a wife and kid go out in the night to hunt and murder a specific type of people?
3) humans are social creatures like bees in some sense. we thrive because we work as a collective, so why would one group(tribe/religion) be sworn to destroy another? "Thou shalt not kill" yet a few chapters after we get the same people going out on genocide missions. to summarise, why is there war

Philosophers even wonder and sometimes argue that the holocaust was a failed evolutionary attempt.

The very first fallacy is the arguement that people have free will. this arise from the ignorance of the proven science behind the limitations of these concept of free will.
extroverts dont have freewill to be introverts and vice versa. A man who has high sexual drive has less free will to resist the temptation of fornication.
As a matter of fact, sociopaths don't have any free will to not be sociopaths because they might have being born with the wrong combo of DNA. Thats why they get life imprisonment because if you release them back to society they would resume their business of serial killing. Those guys dont actually know what it means to feel "empathy". fascinating isn't it?

The sins of God are all mostly sins that have a biological framework which has been built from billions of years of evolutionary trial and error.

The church of God's First son, Yahshua, need a conceptual putting aright of what sin actually is.

i cannot agree more!


Do note that i do not provide an excuse or a sort of justicfication for crimes against humanity.

Christianity,islam(i cant add judaism because i see the jews are evolving) was doomed to fail when it made a book documenting the wisdom of "God" and put a 'period' to mark the "end" of Revelations from God.

kkins25:

Give to ceasars what is ceasars and to God what is God's. I dont think i am supposed to go out offending people. Foolish people would definitely be offended because they "Do" without "thinking".

At the bolded You have Proven my Case and thank you for saying the Truth however I find your words I dont think i am supposed to go out offending people very Interesting!

Meaning,
1) You do not know that you are not supposed to go out to offend anyone (it shows who you are and what you are).

2) it means you wish to offend people only that you are afraid of the consequences of Offending Them (Again, it shows who you are)

So, being the way you are, I have no good thing to say to you.

So I leave you be!

kkins25:

unfortunately buda, the fella did not intend to have an intelligent discourse. i see the greatest philosophers of our time argue without one shred of hate for one another even though they share varying ideologies. We have had such discourses too without having to insult one another but Dtruthspeaker has done something only unintelligent people do hence i abandoned the ship before he recruits me to join his cohort of fools.

It is a Fool who gets the Whip of Correction When He has done that which is Wrong so that he does not get the Sword of Death.

The Whip is better than the Sword for after the Whip Stops, you can live again and the Shadow of Death Passes Away.

But this is not so with the Sword for whomsoever it Cutteth, Dieth!

Like the donkey was taking away Foolish Balaam from the Sword, even to his wounding of him.

Therefore, it is my intention to warn my brothers that it is better and wise to avoid the Sword and take the Whip.

But if they refuse, it is their Full Right to choose the Sword and I do not stand in their way. I have only fulfilled my duty to Warn them, that is all.

Afterall, it is their own Life they wish to Lose!

So I leave you be!

kkins25:
unfortunately buda, the fella did not intend to have an intelligent discourse. i see the greatest philosophers of our time argue without one shred of hate for one another even though they share varying ideologies. We have had such discourses too without having to insult one another but Dtruthspeaker has done something only unintelligent people do hence i abandoned the ship before he recruits me to join his cohort of fools.

Well, I doubt the solution is to invite another like him unless you intend to use your superior intellect to deal with them both which would be great indeed since we your pupils will learn even more when we see you teach two unintelligent fools.

budaatum:

Well, I doubt the solution is to invite another like him unless you intend to use your superior intellect to deal with them both which would be great indeed since we your pupils will learn even more when we see you teach two unintelligent fools.

Now you have by Inference Directly Insulted me without just cause (Specifically, I and Muttleylaff, the object of kkins25's Comments) by "calling me unintelligent fool" whereas I have never insulted you.

I am not certain if this is coming from your thread where you thought I insulted so therefore, you have taken your bit as a matter of being Vengeful, even though I explained the reason for my adverse statement which you appeared to have understood.

Well, I'll Live!

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you have by Inference Directly Insulted me without just cause (Specifically, I and Muttl.eylaff, the object of kkins25's Comments) by "calling me unintelligent fool" whereas I have never insulted you.

I am not certain if this is coming from your thread where you thought I insulted so therefore, you have taken your bit as a matter of being Vengeful, even though I explained the reason for my adverse statement which you appeared to have understood.

Well, I'll Live!

I did not intend to insult you, though I can't say the same about the company you got lumped with.

You'd note by my conversation here that I have not yet determined that any vengeance needs to be taken against you as you have in no way insulted me as is indeed clear, and if that changes, my hope is I remember "vengeance is mine", saith the Lord, though I'm very likely to forget and will appreciate you reminding me if I do err. (That does not apply to you, company, however, if you just happen to be reading this!)

Dtruthspeaker, please kindly accept my most sincerest apologies.

budaatum:

I did not intend to insult you, though I can't say the same about the company you got lumped with.

You'd note by my conversation here that I have not yet determined that any vengeance needs to be taken against you as you have in no way insulted me as is indeed clear, and if that changes, my hope is I remember "vengeance is mine", saith the Lord, though I'm very likely to forget and will appreciate you reminding me if I do err. (That does not apply to you, company, however, if you just happen to be reading this!)

Dtruthspeaker, please kindly accept my most sincerest apologies.

I thank you and indeed your words are appreciated!

It would be nice to see a good end between you guys!

Dtruthspeaker:


I thank you and indeed your words are appreciated!

It would be nice to see a good end between you guys!

It is difficult since whatever I write is misconstrued by the guy, but I shall not stop trying for I have faith in him regardless.

budaatum:

It is difficult since whatever I write is misconstrued by the guy, but I shall not stop trying for I have faith in him regardless.

God help us all and have mercy and help us to break our hearts of stone and foolishness to learn and obtain the Great Wisdom He Teaches!

Dtruthspeaker:


God help us all and have mercy and help us to break our hearts of stone and foolishness to learn and obtain the Great Wisdom He Teaches!

I read this as I hear the words "Oh you arrogant ignorant stupid buda" inside my own head. When the words to describe it are given to me I shall share.

I am tired of talking about imaginary beings.
I am also a rapper that knows what poverty or/and misfortune means.

What's right when life is wrong?
There are people that deserve to be offended through whatever means such as a song.

Furk he that's not worth more than curses!!!
Furk he that's bound to get hurt by my utterances!!!!

What's intelligence when I turn the achievement of someone into noise ?
Kanye West has shown less significance through his voice.

Furk Google''s definition of hip-hop when I add to the essence!!!!
R.I.P to the cooler influence.

I have sent two recordings to a producer for production but I don't need anyone's permission to spit fire.
So,I will keep spitting as he that's lyrically haywire.

kkins25:
Sin: The First Lie of God
Sin, many have been taught is the defiance of the laws of a so-called God but is it?

I never did get this thread. I mean, you call sin the first lie of God, but did God teach anyone about sin? Tell, kk, is it not more true that some people wrote in a book for you to read so you learn about sin. Or is the book where you learn about sin the God? Did you not also learn in the same God book not to create and bow to idols? Still, since I'm here, let me sin.

Sin is anything done to reduce life, which at the moment is mostly human life, though many are including animal life and a few include that of vegetables. It also includes anything that increases or fails to reduce pain. I'll give examples so you might get what I mean.

If one walks past a human robbed, in pain and cast in the gutter and does not help, one has sinned. Not so much against some unseen God but against one's fellow human being of whom it is written, "inasmuch as you have done for those that you see the Gods in the heavens are pleased".

Some go further and say, if you kill an animal to eat you have sinned so they become vegetarians. Yet some go even further, claiming to hear the cry of chopped vegetables, though I do not know what they eat. Perhaps they are like buda who would not bat an eyelid while walking by anyone who thinks the above permits them to tell buda they are hungry and dying and buda should sin not and help. To wit buda says, you got a device and the data to post that you're hungry so surely you're not hungry enough, least not as hungry as the beggar sitting in the cold outside my local supermarket whom I see when I shop. Not that I give him my change everytime mind, but I do see him and not you.

Sin is also when I put my poor finger in a fire, for if I cared for my finger I might have not. Oh, you might think, how can one sin against one's own finger? Easy, I say. I mean, finger, lungs, what's the difference? Do people not burn their lungs when they smoke, which is sin against one's own lungs? And that's apart from the fact that if I could burn my own finger might I not burn my fellow human beings hand, or not service my car and pollute my neighbour's lungs with the fumes from my exhaust?

Still, the greatest sin of all is ignorance, I daresay, for nothing shortens life quicker. So instead of blaming some God for my ignorance, may buda the sinner repent - as in learn, as opposed to being passively educated - and be forgiven past sins, especially that of blaming Gods for misunderstanding my very own human behaviour.

Say amen, please.

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You're partially right, misinformed Churchgoers and their pastors don't know the deeper meaning of "SIN"

As our Creator JEHOVAH God knows our formation and what could bring harm to us so if we take any wrong step which could eventually lead to harm JEHOVAH brings out the Yellow Card just as a referee does on the soccer pitch, it simply means you're going off course and this will lead to your DEATH.

For instance when God says fornication (premarital sex) is SIN an average layman will look around asking what could this so called God mean by SIN when it's just my girl and i enjoying ourselves based on mutual agreement?

Well it's the taste of premarital sex that led to breakups in marriages, children born out of wedlock, lack of trust between married couples, envy amongst youth and rape cases in our society today!

(1) Breakup in marriages! after sampling different sizes of male and female organs, the agility and swift response of some girls and boys we've met while fornicating, the thought will never disappear and if care is not taking a man or woman (married) will continue to long for the person who satisfied his/her urges back then. So any slight mistake on the part of their spouse will easily generate into something big. The next thing that comes to their minds is how to return to their maniac who knows how to give it to them the way they want. Of course they will continue thinking of a breakup with the one who can't meet up with their urges!

(2) Children born out of wedlock! despite the way people clamour for having children, they easily forget the love they formerly have for their young ones when the urge they had for their former mate arises.

(3) Lack of trust! as premarital sex continues to become the order of the day and most couples weren't virgins at the time they got married, there can't be trust!

(4) Envy amongst youths and rape! boys and girls who are already enjoying sex at teens does it by chances so the ones who are not privileged to enjoy it feel cheated and in most cases they go at length to get what they want rape their mates who will not give it to them but to others for one reason or another!

All these are the consequences of fornication not to talk of STDs that's rampant today, so when we read God's word with meditation we will see what most people aren't seeing, he's only telling us what can lead us into big trouble! Psalms 1:1-6

budaatum:

I read this as I hear the words "Oh you arrogant ignorant stupid buda" inside my own head. When the words to describe it are given to me I shall share.

I truly do not understand your response here. Are you saying that I am hiddenly saying that you are arrogant stupid...?

Because I said no such and I did not intend to say such.

If you look closely at my posts when I intend to insult, I do so directly to the face of the person.

Shall we call this a necessary defect?
No!
Man's reactive and proactive nature can be argued to be largely dependent on his experience and natural instinct.
In the ghetto, any little boy born there is more likely to grow up smoking and drinking. Sure, he might even become addicted.

In a runs area, a girl is most likely to grow up being used to wearing revealing clothes and used to a promiscuous lifestyle.

Also, I noticed - every innocent baby sees the fire as something attractive until he/she touches it. When she get the revelation of what fire can do, he/she never finds fire inviting anymore and won't touch.

Whether we like it or not, every single human is subjected to one programming or the other. It doesn't matter, be it an environmental programming, instinctive programming or whatever, you must subscribe to one.

In all honesty, even YHWH has is programming. To lie is something within the capacity of any average human. However, YHWH, despite all the Omni-potency and all ascribed to him, He CANNOT LIE!
It's not his fault, it's His nature, his self-programming!

YHWH is well aware of all these! He knows! He sees your struggle with your own nature!

Even David acknowledged this saying he knows that we are dust. Paul said what he wants to do is not what he ends up doing; moral logic/reasoning suggests that he should tell the truth, but he still finds himself naturally speaking lies.

Then he asked - who will save me from this wretched programming?

That's where the work of Christ comes in.
"Come and let me treat you, come let me fix you. I will lay your corrupt self on my working board and I will chop you to pieces. Like the refiner's fire I will melt you completely till you are no longer yourself. Then will I build in you another nature, another programming, and you will leave my operation room incorrupt.
Even if you try to lie, you won't be able to. Even If you try to fornicate, you won't be able to.
In summary, anything outside the will of God will become an impossibility."

Sin is not an action, sin is a nature. However, there is that unrestrained choice to continue to dwell in that nature, or go under the cross and be reprogrammed with a new nature.

kkins25:
yes he did. But in the past we did not see ourselves as animals, we were ignorant of the fact that like animals our decision making has been built up from billions of years of evolution.
That is what this thread hopes to find out. Sin is the same for you and i in terms of the doctrine of christianity, islam and judaism. Doing that which is against the will of God.
Given that God (having supposedly created the world) has imposed upon men the capability to evolve which includes making a whole of lot of mistakes to figure out what the right path is. then why would they be punished for making the mistakes that they were intended to make in the first place.

The reason why companies that run social media invest heavenly in studying Human Behavior is because they know very well that Humans like the goose are subject to very delicate intrinsic mechanisms that are run to an extent- based on the balance of hormones, structure of neurons and experience gotten from the environment.

How does that relate to sin?
Greed, Lust, Envy, pride or whatever we have chosen to call them are actually behaviours that reside in our biological data for survival. For example take a look at addicts, serial killers, sociopaths, psychopaths, etc. We might consider them evil, which of course they are and might be but when you look at the situation more critically- like from a scientific and philosophical perspective; there are certain questions we need to ask.

1) why can't porn addicts stop wathcing porn when evidence for its detrimental effects kick in?
2) why would a loving man with a wife and kid go out in the night to hunt and murder a specific type of people?
3) humans are social creatures like bees in some sense. we thrive because we work as a collective, so why would one group(tribe/religion) be sworn to destroy another? "Thou shalt not kill" yet a few chapters after we get the same people going out on genocide missions. to summarise, why is there war

Philosophers even wonder and sometimes argue that the holocaust was a failed evolutionary attempt.

The very first fallacy is the arguement that people have free will. this arise from the ignorance of the proven science behind the limitations of these concept of free will.
extroverts dont have freewill to be introverts and vice versa. A man who has high sexual drive has less free will to resist the temptation of fornication.
As a matter of fact, sociopaths don't have any free will to not be sociopaths because they might have being born with the wrong combo of DNA. Thats why they get life imprisonment because if you release them back to society they would resume their business of serial killing. Those guys dont actually know what it means to feel "empathy". fascinating isn't it?

The sins of God are all mostly sins that have a biological framework which has been built from billions of years of evolutionary trial and error.

i cannot agree more!


Do note that i do not provide an excuse or a sort of justicfication for crimes against humanity.

Christianity,islam(i cant add judaism because i see the jews are evolving) was doomed to fail when it made a book documenting the wisdom of "God" and put a 'period' to mark the "end" of Revelations from God.

Dtruthspeaker:

At the bolded You have Proven my Case and thank you for saying the Truth however I find your words I dont think i am supposed to go out offending people very Interesting!

you see sir, i am not the troublesome type, so much so that people close to me frequently warn me of living myself open for manipulations and all sorts. there was no justification for choosing to use the set of words you use there which did not ridicule my idea but my personality.

Meaning,
1) You do not know that you are not supposed to go out to offend anyone (it shows who you are and what you are).

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". To those who deserve to be offended i shall offend. I shall do to others as others do unto me.

2) it means you wish to offend people only that you are afraid of the consequences of Offending Them (Again, it shows who you are)

There are those i do wish to offend, yes! for example i would like to make a cartoon of mohammed but we both know the consequences.

So, being the way you are, I have no good thing to say to you.So I leave you be!

you have no idea who i am neither do i- you. That doesn't mean i go about insulting people. That is anti christ, and would only lead to avoidable and unnecessary battles, and blood shed.

_{It is a Fool who gets the Whip of Correction When He has done that which is Wrong so that he does not get the Sword of Death.
The Whip is better than the Sword for after the Whip Stops, you can live again and the Shadow of Death Passes Away.
But this is not so with the Sword for whomsoever it Cutteth, Dieth!
Like the donkey was taking away Foolish Balaam from the Sword, even to his wounding of him.
Therefore, it is my intention to warn my brothers that it is better and wise to avoid the Sword and take the Whip.
But if they refuse, it is their Full Right to choose the Sword and I do not stand in their way. I have only fulfilled my duty to Warn them, that is all.
Afterall, it is their own Life they wish to Lose!
So I leave you be}!

Incase you forget, you should scroll up a bit and find out who was the first to derail the thread. i am very well familiar with your moniker and agree with budaatum concerning your intelligence. if you had been some random person i would have just ignored your comment. However, we are humans with the battle for hierarchy. So when i see a competitor coming with me tooth and nail, i would surely retaliate.

you thought buda called you a fool and immediately went into guilt tripping buda with your serpentine skills forgetting that you started the trend of fool calling up there. At least you had a taste of your own medicine. seeing the rants you spewed up there i must say " E pain am"..

The difference between a wise man and a fool is; the former knows he knows nothing, while the latter doesn't know that he doesn't know or thinks he knows when he infact knows nothing.

The wise man doesnt know but the fool doesnt know too. arent both of them fools of varying degrees? lets say the former is an intelligent fool whilst the latter is an unintelligent fool.

Blabbermouth:

That's where the work of Christ comes in.
"Come and let me treat you, come let me fix you. I will lay your corrupt self on my working board and I will chop you to pieces. Like the refiner's fire I will melt you completely till you are no longer yourself. Then will I build in you another nature, another programming, and you will leave my operation room incorrupt.
Even if you try to lie, you won't be able to. Even If you try to fornicate, you won't be able to.
In summary, anything outside the will of God will become an impossibility."

Are you saying christ and yaweh do not represent the same authority??

Sin is not an action, sin is a nature. However, there is that unrestrained choiceinstincts to continue to dwell in that nature, or go under the cross and be reprogrammed with a new nature.(civilization is taking us there and not the subscription to some religious doctrine whatsoever, just look at islam)