enilove:


ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS ARE :

1 ) The case is like that of Joseph and Pharaoh.
Was Joseph ruling over pharaoh ? No.

Genesis 41:40-43 KJV
Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou. [41] And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt. [42] And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck; [43] And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee: and he made him ruler over all the land of Egypt.

Paul also explained this in :

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 KJV
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

2) Jesus simply means , there is no need of seeing the Father since they are one. It means why looking for the father when you have me ?

3 ) John 1: .... makes it clear that Jesus was with God .

Jesus is God because he is the Son of God. The child of a lion is not goat but lion.

All things were made by Jesus because the Father is the Chief architect giving the Son the instructions .

The Word means the word of creation spoken by God and carried out by Jesus :

Genesis 1:3-4 KJV
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

LET THERE BE LIGHT MEANS .. My Son , create Light . And God inspected it and saw that it was Good .
That I why the Bible says NOTHING WAS MADE THAT WAS NOT MADE BY HIM.

CHECK THIS :
Proverbs 8:22-28 KJV
The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. [23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. [24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. [25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: [26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: [28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:....

THe father sets everything in motion and the Son did the works. You can't be looking at your father working in the farm and fold your hands and be looking.

I have to say you are the one of the very few persons I've seen that is nearest to the truth of the Nature of God. May God increase your knowledge in Jesus Name. Most of these Trinitarians and so on always make the Bible look like it contradicts itself whenever they "back up" their points with the scriptures. Shalom.

sonmvayina:
The story of jesus was created from ancient tales about Marduk, Marduk is the creator of the universe and the son of Enki...only that he WAS never a man. It was Athanasius that said he was both God and man and a human history was forged f9r him possibly by Eusebius..

Marduk is the lord of the old testament.

Excuse us sir, we are being serious here.

Janosky:

You didn't write the Bible doesn't mean you should twist Collossians 2:9 when you refused to read and understand Collossians 1:19 & Collossians 2:10..( it pleases the Father to grant divine nature to Jesus Christ coupled with authority in heaven whereas, you lied that Jesus is the Father)

It doesn't mean you should twist John 14:9 when you refused to read and understand John 20:17 and John 14:28. The Father is greater than Jesus but you lied that Jesus is the Father)

Even John 3:16, you pay lip service to... " God so loved the world HE sent His Son" una no agree. Una say .
"God sent himself "

Oga, God is a tripartite being ;just as man is also a tripartite being. Which is why we are created in His image and possess those qualities of Him. (Genesis2)


God exist in three forms : The Father, The Son (aka the word) and The Holy Spirit. These three forms are one and are always in agreement and bear witness of matters on earth and in heaven. (1John5:7)

Think of them as water existing in three state of matter :

Gas (Steam)

Solid(Ice)

Liquid (Water)

For the fact that water exist in these forms , does not remove the fact that it is water. So also is it with God.

God created the world through His word and this Word was the God (John 1:1). This means that God created the world through God. And this is a great mystery which only few can discern.

And as for John 3:16, that verse is still the same thing as God sending God into the world. Or is Jesus not the word of God, that was also God?

HedwigesMaduro:


Excuse us sir, we are being serious here.

Very very....do an unbiased reserch..

DappaD:


Colossians 1:15 and Hebrews 1:3 will solve your John 14:9 riddle for you.
Was Jesus able to reflect his Father's qualities of love, compassion, loyalty, patience, humility & righteousness? Matthew 11:29, Mark 1:40-42, Philippians 2:3-5, Hebrews 7:26

Oga park abeg. So those scriptures that Jesus spoke expressly about Himself were lies abi? Oga pack abeg.

Jashub:
Ask the book of John14:9. Read it carefully and see what Jesus claimed He was. I no fit shout oga

So if someone says "if you see the first lady you've seen the president" it means the first lady is the president? Or you've not heard "if you see that boy you've seen his father" before? Jesus said He has a God, but you prefer an expression that is more idiomatic than a literal, direct confession. That's up to you though. Shalom.

DappaD:
It's not a baseless question.
Simple question what is the name of your church sir? Because whatever you're saying now we are meant to see visible application of it in real life and not just head knowledge.
I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I consider only those in my faith to be true Christians. Reason is because Jesus said the road to everlasting life is very very very narrow and only a few are finding it. Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24; Ephesians 4:1-6
So rephrase that statement again, because people who have conflicting beliefs and customs and who are always in disagreement CANNOT all be worshipers of the same God no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat it. 1Corinthians 14:33,40

So you are JW? Blood of God!!! I never knew.
Anyway, now that you have told me, I cannot agree with you because of some satanic indoctrinations Charles Tuze let you swallow. And these doctrines run contrary to what i have read and seen from the bible.



Peace.

Jashub:
Oga, God is a tripartite being ;just as man is also a tripartite being. Which is why we are created in His image and possess those qualities of Him. (Genesis2)

Wait for your trinitarian brothers to come and explain what their “Holy Ghost” taught them too. So when livingchrist was explaining his own version of Trinity why were you castigating him since it's the same “Holy Ghost” working amongst you people?
You cannot claim that what your “Holy Ghost” taught you is superior to what theirs taught them. No it's not acceptable!

God exist in three forms : The Father, The Son (aka the word) and The Holy Spirit. These three forms are one and are always in agreement and bear witness of matters on earth and in heaven. (1John5:7)
Think of them as water existing in three state of matter :
Gas (Steam)
Solid(Ice)
Liquid (Water)
For the fact that water exist in these forms , does not remove the fact that it is water. So also is it with God.
God created the world through His word and this Word was the God (John 1:1). This means that God created the world through God. And this is a great mystery which only few can discern.

Your 1John 5:7 falsehood has already been exposed long before now. Go online and search for “Comma Johannine”. That should cure your delusions.

And as for John 3:16, that verse is still the same thing as God sending God into the world. Or is Jesus not the word of God, that was also God?

You're not even ashamed that you're DIRECTLY misconstruing a simple Scripture? Please who did God send to Pharaoh? Did God send himself or Moses? Exodus 3:10
Who took credit/glory for bringing Israel out of Egypt? God or Moses? Exodus 20:2

Jashub:
So you are JW? Blood of God!!! I never knew.
Anyway, now that you have told me, I cannot agree with you because of some sat anic indoctrinations Charles Tuze let you swallow. And these doctrines run contrary to what i have read and seen from the bible.
Peace.

Shuu
I will quote livingchrist again and again til you accept that all you trinitarians dogheads are confused. Shey livingchrist isn't a JW yet you disagree with his own trinity version nah? Lol

HedwigesMaduro:


So if someone says "if you see the first lady you've seen the president" it means the first lady is the president? Or you've not heard "if you see that boy you've seen his father" before? Jesus said He has a God, but you prefer an expression that is more idiomatic than a literal, direct confession. That's up to you though. Shalom.

Read John14:9 with understanding please.

If you had taken the pains to read the whole book of John, you would see that Jesus spoke a long time about His Father.


He kept talking about His Father and His disciples, being curious to know who His father was, decided to ask the question : [Lord show us the Father. This is not a literal expression, no. The disciples here wanted traceable evidence of something they could see! And Jesus pointedly told them He was the Father.

Throughour the Bible, Jesus indirectly speaks to His audience as God. Here are a few of His sayings.

8. In whom should we place faith in order to have eternal life? Jesus
Jesus says, "the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who
believes in him may have eternal life" John 3:14, 15
Jesus says, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish"
John 10:28
9. Through whom is salvation? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved."
John 10:9
10. Who satisfies our spiritual hunger and thirst? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never
go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty" John 6:35
11. Who will raise people on the Last Day? Jesus
Jesus says, "everyone who looks to the Son and believe in Him shall
have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day"
John 6:40-44
12. Who is the bread of life? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the bread of life" John 6:48
13. Whose words will never pass away? Jesus'
Jesus says, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will
never pass away." Mark 13:31
14. Who gives life? Jesus
Jesus says, "the one who feeds on me will live because of me"
John 6:57
Jesus says, "if a man keeps my word, he will never see death."
John 8:51
15. Who is the Life? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the life." John 14:6
16. Who will give life if we lose life for his sake? Jesus
Jesus says, "Whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."
Matthew 10:39
17. To whom shall we give our highest love? Jesus
Jesus says, "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me
is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more
than me is not worthy of me." Matthew 10:37, 38
18. Who gives streams of living water? Jesus
Jesus says, "He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said,
streams of living water will flow from within him" John 7:38, 39
19. Who is the light of the world? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the light of the world" John 8:12, 9:5
20. Who sets people free from sin? Jesus
Jesus says, "Every one who sins is a slave to sin. If the Son
sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:34, 36
21. Who has the right to forgive sin? Jesus
Jesus says, "So that you may know that the Son of Man has
authority on earth to forgive sins" Matthew 9:6
22. Who is eternal? Jesus
Jesus says, "before Abraham was born, I am" John 8.58
23. Who is the resurrection and the life?


Does God not do all these? Answer please.

DappaD:


Shuu
I will quote livingchrist again and again til you accept that all you trinitarians dogheads are confused. Shey livingchrist isn't a JW yet you disagree with his own trinity version nah? Lol

The chap you mentioned is probably Catholic or Anglican and they too are like JW and they reject the divinity of Jesus being God. Which is why you can barely see miracles happening there.


P. S : Charismatics Catholics no vex o. Una own different

Jashub:
The chap you mentioned is probably Catholic or Anglican and they too are like JW and they reject the divinity of Jesus being God. Which is why you can barely see miracles happening there.
P. S : Charismatics Catholics no vex o. Una own different

So you don't know that it was Catholics that forged this your trinity dogma which you now hold dearly? Is their own “Holy Ghost” different from yours?

DappaD:


Wait for your trinitarian brothers to come and explain what their “Holy Ghost” taught them too. So when livingchrist was explaining his own version of Trinity why were you castigating him since it's the same “Holy Ghost” working amongst you people?
You cannot claim that what your “Holy Ghost” taught you is superior to what theirs taught them. No it's not acceptable!


Your 1John 5:7 falsehood has already been exposed long before now. Go online and search for “Comma Johannine”. That should cure your delusions.


You're not even ashamed that you're DIRECTLY misconstruing a simple Scripture? Please who did God send to Pharaoh? Did God send himself or Moses? Exodus 3:10
Who took credit/glory for bringing Israel out of Egypt? God or Moses? Exodus 20:2

Your analogy is weak and seriously off -point here. Jesus is the word of God and and He is also God (John1:1l) and scripture says this expressly. Please why are you finding this so hard to accept? Why are you bring Moses and Aaron who are in now way related to this conversations?

DappaD:


So you don't know that it was Catholics that forged this your trinity dogma which you now hold dearly? Is their own “Holy Ghost” different from yours?

Catholics forged it? Hahahaha...my belle o. Please have you ever had an encounter before?

Jashub:
Your analogy is weak and seriously off -point here. Jesus is the word of God and and He is also God (John1:1l) and scripture says this expressly. Please why are you finding this so hard to accept? Why are you bring Moses and Aaron who are in now way related to this conversations?

Who told you it's not related? Exodus 3:10 said God sent somebody to set Israel free from slavery and Exodus 20:2 says that God took responsibility for it even though the human he sent was he one who appeared before Pharaoh.
John 3:16 said that God sent somebody to set obedient humans free from slavery to sin and death Romans 8:21
But now you're saying God is the same as the person he sent in the case of John 3:16?
How desperate can you be?

The greatest impossibility!

Jesus said "those who aren't on my side will SCATTER" {Luke 11:23} two or three individuals can never agree on what Jesus never taught talkless of a full church!

There is no church where they can have the same line of thought my brother, unless Jesus is a liar. Because he fervently begged his father to use that as the sign to identify his own group {John 17:20-23} so they can never agree no matter how hard they try, it's only when they come against Jesus' true followers {JWs} that critics hide their differences in a show of shame! Act 23:6-10

DappaD:
Jashub please what is the name of your church let's inspect whether your pastor and church members share your views?

Jashub:
Catholics forged it? Hahahaha...my belle o.

Please are you a learner? As in them born you yesterday?
Because even a teenager in one of your churches knows that this trinity you're carrying on your head now was forged by the Catholic Church.

Please have you ever had an encounter before?

Sir please leave all these your “encounter” and “falling-under-anointing” trash alone for now and focus on the topic.

So who now told you livingchrist didn't have an “encounter” before he started giving his own version of the trinity?

DappaD:



Who told you it's not related? Exodus 3:10 said God sent somebody to set Israel free from slavery and Exodus 20:2 says that God took responsibility for it even though the human he sent was he one who appeared before Pharaoh.
John 3:16 said that God sent somebody to set obedient humans free from slavery to sin and death Romans 8:21
But now you're saying God is the same as the person he sent in the case of John 3:16?
How desperate can you be?

Oga, you do not understand the bible neither do you understand the purpose of Jesus coming.


For your information, Moses was sent to deliver God's people from slavery, not sin.

Jesus on the other hand, was sent to deliver mankind from sin. And who is that one person who can deliver mankind from sin...? Is it not God alone? Does man have the ability to deliver Himself? No.

Automatically, that qualified Jesus to be God.

DappaD:

Please are you a learner? As in them born you yesterday?
Because even a teenager in one of your churches knows that this trinity you're carrying on your head now was forged by the Catholic Church.


Sir please leave all these your “encounter” and “falling-under-anointing” trash alone for now and focus on the topic.

So who now told you livingchrist didn't have an “encounter” before he started giving his own version of the trinity?

Oga, I just asked you a question. Answer it and stop being silly.

Jashub:
I never struck anything out; It is you who did that. You chose to use a handful of verses that hold a very weak argument to explain the true identity of Jesus. If you had taken the time to go through the four gospels you will see that each writer expressed Jesus from different perspectives.

And by the way, those JW chaps are mocking you big time!

Are they not mocking you now? Lol
Weak? You call what Jesus said as weak? May God have mercy on you

Jashub:
Oga, you do not understand the bible neither do you understand the purpose of Jesus coming.
For your information, Moses was sent to deliver God's people from slavery, not sin.
Jesus on the other hand, was sent to deliver mankind from sin. And who is that one person who can deliver mankind from sin...? Is it not God alone? Does man have the ability to deliver Himself? No.
Automatically, that qualified Jesus to be God.

So what happened after Adam sinned? Didn't he bring upon all humans sin and death? Romans 5:12?
In your KJV BIBLE, Jesus said he came to the earth to give his life as a “ransom” Matthew 20:28
According to your dictionary, what is the meaning of the word “ransom”?

[s]

MaxInDHouse:
The greatest impossibility!

Jesus said "those who aren't on my side will SCATTER" {Luke 11:23} two or three individuals can never agree on what Jesus never taught talkless of a full church!

There is no church where they can have the same line of thought my brother, unless Jesus is a liar. Because he fervently begged his father to use that as the sign to identify his own group {John 17:20-23} so they can never agree no matter how hard they try, it's only when they come against Jesus' true followers {JWs} that critics hide their differences in a show of shame! Act 23:6-10

[/s] JWs are following Satan through Charles Russell Tuze.

DappaD:


So what happened after Adam sinned? Didn't he bring upon all humans sin and death? Romans 5:12?
In your KJV BIBLE, Jesus said he came to the earth to give his life as a “ransom” Matthew 20:28
According to your dictionary, what is the meaning of the word “ransom”?

Why are you digressing? Why not accept what I posted previously? Or does the post go contrary to what the bible says?

Preciousgirl:


I tell you

He earlier created a thread stating Jesus is YWHW

Today he says Jesus is not YHWH making him a laughing stock to the jw cultists

If anyone denies that Jesus Christ is the Father, then he is a jw.

To deny Jesus' deity, jws have doctored the Bible and removed/modified all verses supporting the truth to Hold their stupid and blasphemous teaching that The Lord Jesus Christ is a created being.

Jw is ANTICHRIST.

Their doctrine is to undermine Our Lord Jesus.

God bless you Jahshub

mention me straight instead of going indirectly,
It shows your shallow knowledge of the scripture.
See while Jesus is the God in the old testament but Jesus is not the father, seek wisdom and understanding above everything else.

MaxInDHouse:
The greatest impossibility!
Jesus said "those who aren't on my side will SCATTER" {Luke 11:23} two or three individuals can never agree on what Jesus never taught talkless of a full church!
There is no church where they can have the same line of thought my brother, unless Jesus is a liar. Because he fervently begged his father to use that as the sign to identify his own group {John 17:20-23} so they can never agree no matter how hard they try, it's only when they come against Jesus' true followers {JWs} that critics hide their differences in a show of shame! Act 23:6-10

You can even take note of the guy's response. In other words, it doesn't matter what anybody believes as long as they're all deceiving themselves with the words “We're all Christians” under the name of their trinity god.

livingchrist:
Are they not mocking you now? Lol
Weak? You call what Jesus said as weak? May God have mercy on you

The verses you quoted are weak. And why do I call them weak? I call them weak because they are just a part of the jigsaw puzzle that gives the true identity of who Jesus is.

Jashub:
Why are you digressing? Why not accept what I posted previously? Or does the post go contrary to what the bible says?

I'm not digressing sir. I'm only showing you from within the Bible that what this your trinity you want to by all means import into it doesn't fit in with the Scriptures.

DappaD:


I'm not digressing sir. I'm only showing you from within the Bible that what this your trinity you want to by all means import into it doesn't fit in with the Scriptures.

You are not digressing abi? Okay let us go back to that post.


Here is :

"For your information, Moses was sent to deliver God's people from slavery, not sin.
Jesus on the other hand, was sent to deliver mankind from sin. And who is that one person who can deliver mankind from sin...? Is it not God alone? Does man have the ability to deliver Himself? No.
Automatically, that qualified Jesus to be God. "



The bolded, is the analogy, according to the bible, true or false. Answer

Please admit that Satan is organized and orderly whereas your Jesus is the author of confusion and absurdity Sir! Matthew 7:15-20

Because JWs are the most organized and orderly group the world has ever known, so if they are so organized and you can't present any group belonging to your Jesus that's better than the JWs, then what's the value of your Jesus? Luke 12:10

Jashub:
[s][/s] JWs are following Satan through Charles Russell Tuze.

I disagree with you brother, if that's how he wants it then why is he castigating livingchrist?

DappaD:


You can even take note of the guy's response. In other words, it doesn't matter what anybody believes as long as they're all deceiving themselves with the words “We're all Christians” under the name of their trinity god.

MaxInDHouse:
Please admit that Satan is organized and orderly whereas your Jesus is the author of confusion and absurdity Sir! Matthew 7:15-20

Because JWs are the most organized and orderly group the world has ever known, so if they are so organized and you can't present any group belonging to your Jesus that's better than the JWs, then what's the value of your Jesus? Luke 12:10

JW is a cult whose its founder started its origin from by reading the bible backward with a twist. To me, that makes JW just like Islam and Buddhism

Jashub:
You are not digressing abi? Okay let us go back to that post.
Here is :
[b.]"For your information, Moses was sent to deliver God's people from slavery, not sin.
Jesus on the other hand, was sent to deliver mankind from sin. And who is that one person who can deliver mankind from sin...? Is it not God alone? Does man have the ability to deliver Himself? No.
Automatically, that qualified Jesus to be God. "[/.b]
The bolded, is the analogy, according to the bible, true or false. Answer

Take note of the words below in bold and provide the answer to it.

DappaD:


So what happened after Adam sinned? Didn't he bring upon all humans sin and death? Romans 5:12?
In your KJV BIBLE, Jesus said he came to the earth to give his life as a “ransom” Matthew 20:28
According to your dictionary, what is the meaning of the word “ransom”?