elrony:
Una no go beg mods to close this thread?

I dan beg them tire

Jodera:

F.A trophy and the tray really deceived majority that the attack is very sharp, I remember when someone said our attackers are more deadly than that of Man u nah that time I lock up finally say nah fans dey affect Arsenal cause they prefer mediocrity to standard...

Na wa oh! Just because we buy one defender? Abeg Lille make una come carry Gab back so some people go fit sleep and get some emotional victories.

This level of pettiness is unbelievable! Ask them to prove it now, dem go just dey turn amala around.

I give up oh! Na una win.. Dem prioritize defense, infact dem over prioritize am oh! Na una win oh..

Akinbahm:


F.A trophy and the tray really deceived majority that the attack is very sharp, I remember when someone said our attackers are more deadly than that of Man u nah that time I lock up finally say nah fans dey affect Arsenal cause they prefer mediocrity to standard...

I swear, that's really what bought Arteta time, but to be honest with you, I think he's exhausted his grace. No justification for not winning more than a month. Even with how our squad is, we shouldn't be dragging relegation na.

Roland17:
Na wa oh! Just because we buy one defender? Abeg Lille make una come carry Gab back so some people go fit sleep and get some emotional victories.

This level of pettiness is unbelievable! Ask them to prove it now, dem go just dey turn amala around.

I give up oh! Na una win.. Dem prioritize defense, infact dem over prioritize am oh! Na una win oh..

My brother, the way people view things out of context is most baffling on this thread. But we keep correcting until they see through the right perspectives. One love.

Jodera:
I swear, that's really what bought Arteta time, but to be honest with you, I think he's exhausted his grace. No justification for not winning more than a month. Even with how our squad is, we shouldn't be dragging relegation na.

Bro, sincerely Arteta dey fvck up but we shouldn't take the fact away that some of these players self are not good enough...

A layman compared Wolves team to our without bias bro those boys are better than ours.

If those boys playing for wolves get priviledge to play for Arsenal plus a good coach coaching them forget it they will compete for Top4.

Roland17:
Na wa oh! Just because we buy one defender? Abeg Lille make una come carry Gab back so some people go fit sleep and get some emotional victories.

This level of pettiness is unbelievable! Ask them to prove it now, dem go just dey turn amala around.

I give up oh! Na una win.. Dem prioritize defense, infact dem over prioritize am oh! Na una win oh..

You are too opined with your opinion, get the angle am coming from let me use Wenger as a case study despite the way fan clamor for defense Prof will still enter TW go sign attacking player nd if he sign that defender the player will focus more on attacking than his primary role which is to defend in conclusion we will say Prof nah attacking minded coach.

Back to Arteta, since he took charge as a manager he has focused more on defense to attack, he got Willian because he do contribute to defence, Pepe was scapegoated for not tracking back along Ozil b4 being frozen out. In conclusion Arteta is a defensive minded coach.

Consequently, Arteta nd the board prioritize defense to attack it's very glaring for a blind to see.

And dont forget we didn't say defense doesnt need recruitment but it is still good enough to make Top4 provided the attack is very sharp our stand and opposed if attack is dull and defense is sharp it wont make Top4 as we are all seeing it now which you nd spy attested to.

Akinbahm:


Bro, sincerely Arteta dey fvck up but we shouldn't take the fact away that some of these players self are not good enough...

A layman compared Wolves team to our without bias bro those boys are better than ours.

If those boys playing for wolves get priviledge to play for Arsenal plus a good coach coaching them forget it they will compete for Top4.

Tbh, nobody is saying the players are good enough. We know they aren't good enough for top4, but you'll agree with me that they're good enough for mid-table(at least 8-10th).

Mind you, we've not won since Nov 1 o. Not only that, we've not scored more than a goal in a match since September, neither are we creating clear cut chances. No matter how poor a squad is, if they're exhibiting this traits, then the fault is from the coach.

From the beginning of the season, I was blaming the players cos of how limited they are, but now, it's fully on the coach. Unless I see that we actually create chances, then waste it away or we possess play with good attacking intent, I will keep on blaming Arteta.

Jodera:
Tbh, nobody is saying the players are good enough. We know they aren't good enough for top4, but you'll agree with me that they're good enough for mid-table(at least 8-10th).

Mind you, we've not won since Nov 1 o. Not only that, we've not scored more than a goal in a match since September, neither are we creating clear cut chances. No matter how poor a squad is, if they're exhibiting this traits, then the fault is from the coach.

From the beginning of the season, I was blaming the players cos of how limited they are, but now, it's fully on the coach. Unless I see that we actually create chances, then waste it away or we possess play with good attacking intent, I will keep on blaming Arteta.

He is the coach + we can't blame 11 head for one head it's not possible...

I gave him till after January TF.

Akinbahm:


He is the coach + we can't blame 11 head for one head it's not possible...

I gave him till after January TF.

exactly.. Now you get my point.

As for the 2nd paragraph, I even gave him till August tf window sef, cos of the state of arsenal, but I never expected arsenal to be down diz low.

In fact I would have keep on defending Arteta even till next season if we're having mixed results, but for consistent bad results... Naah!!!

I don't know the last time I shouted "goaaaal" sef

Akinbahm:


You are too opined with your opinion, get the angle am coming from let me use Wenger as a case study despite the way fan clamor for defense Prof will still enter TW go sign attacking player nd if he sign that defender the player will focus more on attacking than his primary role which is to defend in conclusion we will say Prof nah attacking minded coach.

Back to Arteta, since he took charge as a manager he has focused more on defense to attack, he got Willian because he do contribute to defence, Pepe was scapegoated for not tracking back along Ozil b4 being frozen out. In conclusion Arteta is a defensive minded coach.

Consequently, Arteta nd the board prioritize defense to attack it's very glaring for a blind to see.

And dont forget we didn't say defense doesnt need recruitment but it is still good enough to make Top4 provided the attack is very sharp our stand and opposed if attack is dull and defense is sharp it wont make Top4 as we are all seeing it now which you nd spy attested to.

Ok

All this shalaye upanda no go finish, I told y'all last year, This football club is not worth your heart and emotions..

Y'all have suffered a lot with Arsenal and should be enjoying good football with trophies occasionally.

Here are some problems I expect all to have seen now:
Arterta... Too inexperienced and not ready for a big club with a big problem like Arsenal.

Players...[/b]Too many average, poor and lazy players ( relying on Martinelli and Saka to push Arsenal up is a joke, they should be eased in IMO.

Scouts..They are so poor and blind to discover hidden talents accros the world

[b]Academy The likes of Willock,Nelson and Nketiah are not as inspiring like the Walcott,RVp,Cesc,Eboue and Wilshire of those days

Fans...Most fans are delusional, they love and pamaper shits too much, I won't be surprised if they start singing praises and call for contract extension for the likes of Xhaka and Bellerin after dropping 1 good performance in January

The board.They are never willing to support financially, so expect Loans, Free and cheap buys.

The truth is I don't see Arsenal make top4 in recent times, they are midtable team at best and a local league Cup contender( 6/7 games mostly against lower teams).

Akinbahm:


Bro, sincerely Arteta dey fvck up but we shouldn't take the fact away that some of these players self are not good enough...

A layman compared Wolves team to our without bias bro those boys are better than ours.

If those boys playing for wolves get priviledge to play for Arsenal plus a good coach coaching them forget it they will compete for Top4.

Wolves aren't doing well either. I think you are just driven by sentiments. Leicester and Everton are pushing above their weights, they are good examples you can use.

As for Arteta, I think he is playing the fool for the board. They made him freeze out Ozil without replacement, now it's affecting the team and we now believe he is a defensively minded coach simply because he chose to strengthen our defense.

Let me tell you, 15th place would be a dream come true if we had not signed Gabriel and/or Partey and got only Aouar instead. You have not experienced what a bad defense can do, or probably you have forgotten the calamitous tears we had when our defenders became clowns every night despite that we were scoring goals.

The problem with this team is simply the lack of an AM and the fact that the DM we signed isn't playing. That's why I can forgive Arteta's errors as this team is so balanced. Once Jan is over and we have an AM and Partey returns from injury, then I expect this team to do a lot better.

Spy360:

Wolves aren't doing well either. I think you are just driven by sentiments. Leicester and Everton are pushing above their weights, they are good examples you can use.

As for Arteta, I think he is playing the fool for the board. They made him freeze out Ozil without replacement, now it's affecting the team and we now believe he is a defensively minded coach simply because he chose to strengthen our defense.

Let me tell you, 15th place would be a dream come true if we had not signed Gabriel and/or Partey and got only Aouar instead. You have not experienced what a bad defense can do, or probably you have forgotten the calamitous tears we had when our defenders became clowns every night despite that we were scoring goals.

The problem with this team is simply the lack of an AM and the fact that the DM we signed isn't playing. That's why I can forgive Arteta's errors as this team is so balanced. Once Jan is over and we have an AM and Partey returns from injury, then I expect this team to do a lot better.

The bolded is not true, Signing a Sanchez and Carzola esque in LW/AM won't make Arsenal sit in 15th never.
The defense would be settled and will defend with calmness if the forwards can bury 2goals in first half.

After Mc Tomimay scored 2 yesterday, I saw Leeds mount pressure on utd's defence, but their attackers kept on countering the pressure on Leeds defence till they scored more and more.
If Only Leeds buried their chances, it could have ended 6-5 and that's better than losing 1-0 and no sign of your team looking like scoring even if much time is to be added.

Even When Mustafi was commuting errors. We were still scoring and winning games.

Fkhalifa:

The bolded is not true, Signing a Sanchez and Carzola esque in LW/AM won't make Arsenal sit in 15th never.
The defense would be settled and will defend with calmness if the forwards can bury 2goals in first half.

After Mc Tomimay scored 2 yesterday, I saw Leeds mount pressure on utd's defence, but their attackers kept on countering the pressure on Leeds defence till they scored more and more.
If Only Leeds buried their chances, it could have ended 6-5 and that's better than losing 1-0 and no sign of your team looking like scoring even if much time is to be added.

Even When Mustafi was commuting errors. We were still scoring and winning games.

It's funny how too soon you have forgotten all those comics we suffered from our defense to the point you even feel we shouldn't have strengthened defense at all. OK. All those times you were crying for a DM have all disappeared abi? OK.

You think that with a Sanchez you will score 2 easy goals in the first half...

I am pretty sure if we did not have Aubameyang you would have said the same thing. But let me show you something...

............................P W D L GF GA GD PTS
2. Leicester 14 9 0 5 [26] (17) 9 27

14. Leeds 14 5 2 7 [24] 30 -6 17

15. Arsenal 14 4 2 8 12 (18) -6 14

From the table, you could see that both Leicester and Leeds have similar strength in attack but Leeds have a poor defense. Their strong attack has not helped the team at all. If they sign a DM or a defender depending on what they need, they would be like Leicester. Arsenal has a similar strength in defense as Leicester but are in the same position with Leeds because of poor attack. Let them sign an AM and they will be like Leicester.

But please note, Leicester are not an exceptional team, they only have a balance between attack and defense. You will notice that as you go up in the league table, teams with more balance in attack and defense are higher than those who have not irrespective of their individual team strengths.

Spy360:

Wolves aren't doing well either. I think you are just driven by sentiments. Leicester and Everton are pushing above their weights, they are good examples you can use.

As for Arteta, I think he is playing the fool for the board. They made him freeze out Ozil without replacement, now it's affecting the team and we now believe he is a defensively minded coach simply because he chose to strengthen our defense.

Let me tell you, 15th place would be a dream come true if we had not signed Gabriel and/or Partey and got only Aouar instead. You have not experienced what a bad defense can do, or probably you have forgotten the calamitous tears we had when our defenders became clowns every night despite that we were scoring goals.

The problem with this team is simply the lack of an AM and the fact that the DM we signed isn't playing. That's why I can forgive Arteta's errors as this team is so balanced. Once Jan is over and we have an AM and Partey returns from injury, then I expect this team to do a lot better.

This is the notion you guys think we're scapegoating Gabriel. We're not! Wen we say Arteta is a defensive minded coach is not we saying he bought Gabriel or partey. It's we saying he's programming our players (even our attackers) to defend first before attacking. Most of the times, wen teams are attacking us, it's only auba you'll see at the halfway line, the rest of the players are all towards our 18yard box. Once we retrieve the ball, it'll be hard to counter or even transition play quickly cos mostly nobody aside auba is mostly in attack, and we all know auba is not a good dribbler nor a good holdup play player, same thing with lacazette. So in that case our ball is lost almost immediately it is won and the cycle continues. Also the fact that we didn't have good technical midfielders to carry the ball out is another issue.
That's our point.

We saying Arteta prioritized defence over attack is just the breakdown of what we're saying not blaming Gabriel, Luiz or anybody.

Spy360:

It's funny how too soon you have forgotten all those comics we suffered from our defense to the point you even feel we shouldn't have strengthened defense at all. OK. All those times you were crying for a DM have all disappeared abi? OK.

You think that with a Sanchez you will score 2 easy goals in the first half...

I am pretty sure if we did not have Aubameyang you would have said the same thing. But let me show you something...

............................P W D L GF GA GD PTS
2. Leicester 14 9 0 5 [26] (17) 9 27

14. Leeds 14 5 2 7 [24] 30 -6 17

15. Arsenal 14 4 2 8 12 (18) -6 14

From the table, you could see that both Leicester and Leeds have similar strength in attack but Leeds have a poor defense. Their strong attack has not helped the team at all. If they sign a DM or a defender depending on what they need, they would be like Leicester. Arsenal has a similar strength in defense as Leicester but are in the same position with Leeds because of poor attack. Let them sign an AM and they will be like Leicester.

But please note, Leicester are not an exceptional team, they only have a balance between attack and defense. You will notice that as you go up in the league table, teams with more balance in attack and defense are higher than those who have not irrespective of their individual team strengths.

Lol... I know say na stats you go brings. That stats is really skewed and doesn't tell the full story.

A good attack is one that will give you goals with respect to the chances created. With that, I'll tell you that the reason Leeds are in the same position with us is not because of poor defence solely (yes they have one of the poorest defence in the league no doubt), but also poor attack.

Check it out, the have one of the highest (if not the highest) of chances missed and big chances missed. You think if that very average bamford and some of their players convert their chances they'll be in the same position with us? Lol.

They're lacking in two department... Defence and attack

We're also lacking in two department... Midfield and attack.

Leicester no be any of us mates cos they're good in those 3 to some extent.

No even try lump leceister and Leeds as teams with good attack. Leeds are suffering not just because of their poor defence, but their equally v.poor attack. In fact I don't even know between attack and defence which one even worse pass sef for Leeds. Those two departments are so damn poor.

Jodera:

That's our point.

...We saying Arteta prioritized defence over attack is just the breakdown of what we're saying not blaming Gabriel, Luiz or anybody.

I know and I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying the coach is right to do so based on the situation we are in.

From my analysis in the post above, you will agree that there is an improvement in our defense. The problem like I have been shouting since is that there is no balance in the team due to we lack an AM, which hampers our attack. This I do not want to blame Arteta for (at least till Jan is over). But when you have to choose, in a case where there is no balance, I'll choose to be defensive. So Arteta is right to keep the defense intact. I bet you, with this inbalance in the squad, focusing more on attack will send us to relegation and we will be experiencing 6-0 scorelines against big teams.

Jodera:
Lol... I know say na stats you go brings. That stats is really skewed and doesn't tell the full story.

A good attack is one that will give you goals with respect to the chances created. With that, I'll tell you that the reason Leeds are in the same position with us is not because of poor defence solely (yes they have one of the poorest defence in the league no doubt), but also poor attack.

Check it out, the have one of the highest (if not the highest) of chances missed and big chances missed. You think if that very average bamford and some of their players convert their chances they'll be in the same position with us? Lol.

They're lacking in two department... Defence and attack

We're also lacking in two department... Midfield and attack.

Leicester no be any of us mates cos they're good in those 3 to some extent.

No even try lump leceister and Leeds as teams with good attack. Leeds are suffering not just because of their poor defence, but their equally v.poor attack. In fact I don't even know between attack and defence which one even worse pass sef for Leeds. Those two departments are so damn poor.

I expected your first line just to dampen the facts and figures I brought up.

For your kind information, chances/goals missed also show strong attack. Analysts call it xG margins or expected goal margin. Leeds have a high xG similar to Leicester so all your talk is just out of point.

Mind you, do a research before opposing a view. Thanks.

Spy360:

I expected your first line just to dampen the facts and figures I brought up.

For your kind information, chances/goals missed also show strong attack. Analysts call it xG margins or expected goal margin. Leeds have a high xG similar to Leicester so all your talk is just out of point.

Mind you, do a research before opposing a view. Thanks.

So an attack that squander goals and big chances is called "A strong/good attack" just because they create?

Spy360:

I know and I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying the coach is right to do so based on the situation we are in.

From my analysis in the post above, you will agree that there is an improvement in our defense. The problem like I have been shouting since is that there is no balance in the team due to we lack an AM, which hampers our attack. This I do not want to blame Arteta for (at least till Jan is over). But when you have to choose, in a case where there is no balance, I'll choose to be defensive. So Arteta is right to keep the defense intact. I bet you, with this inbalance in the squad, focusing more on attack will send us to relegation and we will be experiencing 6-0 scorelines against big teams.

Nobody will criticize Arteta if he chooses to go defensive against the big teams, after all that's what we criticized arsene Wenger for. But to do that against small teams Is what is paining every arsenal fan no matter how you wanna paint it.

The 6-0, 5-1 and 8-2 scorelines we're receiving still dey yield us top4 then.
But now the 1-0s and 0-0s scoreline dey carry us to relegation.

Me, I know which one I go pick sha

Spy, I remember a stat you posted wen you compared Emery 26 games to Arteta 26games(I think so), and how Arteta had a better win ratio.

I remember telling you that if Arteta continues like this, he'll win less games than Emery, but obviously with less goals conceded.
Now it's happening..

Jodera:
So an attack that squander goals and big chances is called "A strong/good attack" just because they create?

The fact that their xG is high, that is they create LOTS of scoring chances shows that their attack is strong. Whether those chances are taken or not is another stats.

Take for example teams like Liverpool, City usually have high xGs. While Tottenham, Burnley, Sheffield United have comparable low xG.

Jodera:
Nobody will criticize Arteta if he chooses to go defensive against the big teams, after all that's what we criticized arsene Wenger for. But to do that against small teams Is what is paining every arsenal fan no matter how you wanna paint it.

The 6-0, 5-1 and 8-2 scorelines we're receiving still dey yield us top4 then.
But now the 1-0s and 0-0s scoreline dey carry us to relegation.

Me, I know which one I go pick sha

Here again you are right. So we are mixing it up somewhere.

Going defensive against small teams only means that he does not have enough attackers because no reasonable coach with a balanced team would do that. His team is not balanced so that explains it. I don't like it, it has affected us badly as we can't create enough to score. But we know that without the right personnel he can't play attacking football.

Jodera:
Spy, I remember a stat you posted wen you compared Emery 26 games to Arteta 26games(I think so), and how Arteta had a better win ratio.

I remember telling you that if Arteta continues like this, he'll win less games than Emery, but obviously with less goals conceded.
Now it's happening..

You are saying the opposite because Emery has a better win ratio.

Kokaneprodigy, when are we going to ebening page to tender our apology he doesn't the insults.
We were scammed by adete

sod09:
Kokaneprodigy, when are we going to ebening page to tender our apology he doesn't the insults.
We were scammed by adete

It is easier for Sod9 to apologize to Wenger than for kokane to do so for Emery... He is a sworn enemy to Emery and Guen.

Who is Adete? Artetta?

Fkhalifa:

It is easier for Sod9 to apologize to Wenger than for kokane to do so for Emery... He is a sworn enemy to Emery and Guen.

Who is Adete? Artetta?

Yes na

sod09:

Yes na

Arterta don suffer.

Of course Emery wasn't the problem neither is/was he the solution, I just hated why everyone was scapegoating,heaping blames and everything on him and leaving the players,board,scouts out of the issue.

My main problem with Emery was trusting useless and average players and also handing Xhaka captain armband.

I no too blame Arterta, the job and Arsenal's problem is too big for him.


Something tells me he'll try to win a trophy this season to cement his job and win over some fans again.

Arsenal need a klopp like manager who will find aggressive strong talented hidden players who can play fast attacking lovely football.

Fkhalifa:
Arterta don suffer.

Of course Emery wasn't the problem neither is/was he the solution, I just hated why everyone was scapegoating,heaping blames and everything on him and leaving the players,board,scouts out of the issue.

My main problem with Emery was trusting useless and average players and also handing Xhaka captain armband.

I no too blame Arterta, the job and Arsenal's problem is too big for him.


Something tells me he'll try to win a trophy this season to cement his job and win over some fans again.

Arsenal need a klopp like manager who will find aggressive strong talented hidden players who can play fast attacking lovely football.

Arteta is inexperienced and also unfortunate to manage the club at a time when poor management structures are in place. I was one of those who campaigned for him, because he looks like someone who is intelligent and principled. I will still give him till end of season. He seems to have a plan and I am interested in knowing how it will work out. He made a terrible mistake freezing out Ozil after failing to sign an AM. So he has Jan to correct his error, by then we will see how he will do.

Jodera:
This is the notion you guys think we're scapegoating Gabriel. We're not! Wen we say Arteta is a defensive minded coach is not we saying he bought Gabriel or partey. It's we saying he's programming our players (even our attackers) to defend first before attacking. Most of the times, wen teams are attacking us, it's only auba you'll see at the halfway line, the rest of the players are all towards our 18yard box. Once we retrieve the ball, it'll be hard to counter or even transition play quickly cos mostly nobody aside auba is mostly in attack, and we all know auba is not a good dribbler nor a good holdup play player, same thing with lacazette. So in that case our ball is lost almost immediately it is won and the cycle continues. Also the fact that we didn't have good technical midfielders to carry the ball out is another issue.
That's our point.

We saying Arteta prioritized defence over attack is just the breakdown of what we're saying not blaming Gabriel, Luiz or anybody.

Resist the urge to shalaye and emboldened sums it all our point...