ThePlainTruth:
John 18:36
"Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”"

Luke 1:
"³¹And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.
³²He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
³³And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

MuttleyLaff:

Your point with John 18:36 & Luke 1:31-33 being what?

write up boss and Merry Christmas to you and yours also.

[quote]^{The word recorded in Luke 1:28 charitoō meaning Favour as you stated(also be translated as grace depending on context like in Ephesians 1:6), is a description of a person's attitude and actions toward the one so labeled(in this case, God's attitude towards the recipient of the message). On its own, it says nothing about the character or attitude of the person being favoured.
Favour can be earned but more often than not, the concept of favour is that the person being favoured has a soft spot with the person bestowing it and usually has done nothing inherently to gain it(eg a man showing favour to a fellow kinsman).
The act of showing favour speaks purely of the character and attitude of the one who is bestowing it. This is often the case atleast in the Bible when it pertains to God and humans (God constantly showing favour/grace to undeserving humans). You can do a word study of ḥên(old testament) and God.
This is more evident in the only other place the word charitoō is used in the entire NT.
"to the praise of the glory of His grace(charitos), which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved." - Ephesians 1:6 NASB...
Most English translations also have freely bestowed or given except for KJV and ESV that render it a bit differently. But regardless of which translation chosen, the idea is the same. The charitoō is bestowed purely based on God's will}

There's nothing in the NT that says or alludes to the statement that "Mary was the most righteous among all women that walked on the face of the earth".
The idea that there was something inherently different about Mary started out around the early middle ages and became part church tradition(or today, Catholic tradition). We do not even find this in the earliest Christian writings outside of the NT. The shift to Mary being pure, immaculate conception etc began from writings sometime around the 4th AD.

ThePlainTruth:
The angel said: Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.
And then Jesus turned it down here:

John 18:36
"Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”"

John 6:15
When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

Luke 1:
"³¹And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.
³²He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
³³And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

ThePlainTruth:
Was There Really a Virgin Birth in the Bible?
The more interesting potential virgin birth, though, comes from Matthew's explanation in Matt 1:22-23. There the text says that the virgin birth of Jesus took place to "fulfill" the prophecy that "the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel." Matthew is paraphrasing Isa 7:14.

<sup>But he is quoting a mistranslation. The original Hebrew text of Isa 7:14 is not about a virgin. Rather, the Hebrew used to describe the woman in Isa 7:14 is almah, a word that means "young woman." But then the Septuagint, an early translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek, took the Hebrew almah and rendered it as the Greek parthenos, which means "virgin."

Source: https://www.bibleodyssey.org/en/people/related-articles/was-there-really-a-virgin-birth-in-the-bible</sup>

Acehart:
One thing is clear:
All charitoō is given by God. The use of it to mean “grace” or “unmerited favor” is the perspective you have taken. My use of the word is taken from its etymology “charis“, a word that shows that the favored one is more like a child, friend or faithful steward. With charitoō, the favored one is more or less one who didn’t do anything special to be favored e.g a pardoned sinner.

With Abraham, we see God say: for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. The favor (Charis) towards Abraham was because he acted to God’s delight - he obeyed God’s voice.

Acehart:
“There are many virtuous and capable women in the world, but you surpass them all!” (Prov.31:29)

Maybe I overhyped Mary but I did it in the light of the verse above. What qualifies one as the ‘most righteous’? Lemuel’s mother has to provide this answer. If it is said about King Hoshea that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor any that were before him, then there must be acts he did that qualified him to be the best. It is said about Mary that, Blessed is she among women. Of all these and many more characters that the Bible spoke glowingly of, one thing is certain: they began to please God after they believed in His word, and it’s divine influence upon their heart, reflected in their lives.

One thing is clear here, you are hung up on your preconceived ideas, lmso

"^{Now if indeed I have found favor in Your sight, please let me know Your ways,
that I may know You and find favor in Your sight. Remember that this nation is Your people.}"
- Exodus 33:13

"And the angel said to her,
“Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God."
- Luke 1:30

"Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you.
(i.e. Come close to God, and God will come close to you.)
- James 4:8a

"However, Mary continued to treasure all these things in her heart and to ponder them"
- Luke 2:19

Interest showing, is the mother of favour. Interest births favour. Showing good interest propels you to finding favour with God. Come near to God and He will come near to you. Show interest in God and God will show interest in you, back too. It's not rocket science.

I am certain that Luke 2:19, is not the first time of Mary treasuring up all these things in her heart and meditating on them. She defo all along had a healthy interest, she is humble, she is compliant and she was first choice.

It is the believing of a preposterous message that endeared Noah and Mary to God. The scripture says: without faith (in the word of God) it is impossible to please God and be satisfactory to Him (Heb. 11:6). Mary believed God’s word, perhaps in the reading of the prophetic texts at the Jerusalem temple, that a virgin would conceive a child - her being the virgin. She believed and it was accounted to her as righteousness (in conformity to God’s will in her thoughts and acts).

ThePlainTruth:
[s]Was There Really a Virgin Birth in the Bible?
The more interesting potential virgin birth, though, comes from Matthew's explanation in Matt 1:22-23. There the text says that the virgin birth of Jesus took place to "fulfill" the prophecy that "the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel." Matthew is paraphrasing Isa 7:14.

But he is quoting a mistranslation. The original Hebrew text of Isa 7:14 is not about a virgin. Rather, the Hebrew used to describe the woman in Isa 7:14 is almah, a word that means "young woman." But then the Septuagint, an early translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek, took the Hebrew almah and rendered it as the Greek parthenos, which means "virgin."

Source: https://www.bibleodyssey.org/en/people/related-articles/was-there-really-a-virgin-birth-in-the-bible[/s]

Acehart:
It means someone does the thinking for you. In Isaiah 7, King Ahaz of Judah was told to ask for an impossibility from God. Now, is it impossible for a young woman to conceive a child with insemination or is it impossible for a virgin to conceive a child without insemination? Whatever answer you give, will set you free.

Acehart:
Thank you sir

Acehart:
It is the believing of a preposterous message that endeared Noah and Mary to God. The scripture says: without faith (in the word of God) it is impossible to please God and be satisfactory to Him (Heb. 11:6). Mary believed God’s word, perhaps in the reading of the prophetic texts at the Jerusalem temple, that a virgin would conceive a child - her being the virgin. She believed and it was accounted to her as righteousness (in conformity to God’s will in her thoughts and acts).

Acehart:

[s]
It means someone does the thinking for you. In Isaiah 7, King Ahaz of Judah was told to ask for an impossibility from God. Now, is it impossible for a young woman to conceive a child with insemination or is it impossible for a virgin to conceive a child without insemination? Whatever answer you give, will set you free. [/s]

Acehart:
It means someone does the thinking for you. In Isaiah 7, King Ahaz of Judah was told to ask for an impossibility from God. Now, is it impossible for a young woman to conceive a child with insemination or is it impossible for a virgin to conceive a child without insemination? Whatever answer you give, will set you free.

ThePlainTruth:
Is you others are doing your thinking for. The Bible was written by men not by God that's why there are so many contradictions, untill you realise this you can never set yourself free.

MuttleyLaff:
No, I know not of any contradictions in the bible and I am not aware that, there are contradictions in the bible too.

With the greatest respect Brock/1, I beg, oftentimes what seemingly are thought to be contradictions, arent at all contradictions. They largely are phantom Bible contradictions

You can test its validity by checking on its truthfulness, its trustworthiness, its track record, fulfilled prophecies et cetera

MuttleyLaff:


"¹⁵From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
¹⁶All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
¹⁷so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work
- 2 Timothy 3:15-17

[s]You're veering on to the edge of a slippery slope[/s]

ThePlainTruth:
[s]I have quoted scriptures to you as well which you have rejected yet they are from the same Bible. If there was internet and camera phone when the Bible was written we would have a completely different Bible from the one we have now. So The Plain Truth is that your are the one veering on to the edge of a slippery slope.[/s]

MuttleyLaff:
"⁴¹While the Pharisees were assembled, Jesus questioned them:
⁴²“What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is He?”
“David’s,” they answered.
⁴³Jesus said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord’? For he says:
⁴⁴‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand
until I put Your enemies
under Your feet.”’
⁴⁵So if David calls Him ‘Lord,’ how can He be David’s son?”
⁴⁶No one was able to answer a word, and from that day on no one dared to question Him any further."
- Matthew 22:41-46

[s]The Bible was written by men, not physically by God I agree with you on that but then the men wrote under the inspiration of God. I reiterate, you're veering on to the edge of a slippery slope if you some much question the validity of the Bible.

You quoted scriptures without making known what point you are making with them and when you were asked, you dont forward a response[/s]

You should have known that the scripture you quoted is centred around the divine and human side of Jesus, dealing with fulfilling the prophecy that that kingship will remain forever in David's dynasty.

Do you at all understand the dynamics of what was going on in Matthew 22:41-46 above, hmm?

ThePlainTruth:
You have no answer to the scriptures I have quoted below from the same Bible. All your response shows that you are the one veering on to the edge of a slippery slope by rejecting the scriptures I have quoted from the same Bible.

The angel said: Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.
And then Jesus turned it down here:

John 18:36 "Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”"

John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

Luke 1:
"31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.
32He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
33And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

MuttleyLaff:
[s]It is only if you are as thick as a two by two plank of wood that you wouldn't see the answer to the scriptures. Smh sigh. Mtcheew[/s]

ThePlainTruth:
[s]Not surprised at your response, you want others to just believe anything you say to them that they too can be as thick as a two by two plank like yourself.[/s]

MuttleyLaff:
[s]No, on contrary, I want others to 2 Timothy 2:15 fact check everything I share so that we can Bob the Builder and Proverbs 27:17 each other.[/s]

ThePlainTruth:
You have no answer to the scriptures I have quoted below. You are just jumping from pillar to post believing you have all the answers, when The Plain Truth is that you have no clue.
The angel said: Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.
And then Jesus turned it down here:
John 18:36 "Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”"
John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

Luke 1:
"31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.
32He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
33And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

MuttleyLaff:
You should have known that the scripture you quoted is centred around the divine and human side of Jesus, dealing with fulfilling the prophecy that that kingship will remain forever in David's dynasty.

Do you at all understand the dynamics of what was going on in the earlier shared Matthew 22:41-46 above, hmm?

ThePlainTruth:
Do you understand the scripture below. Better to say you don't than to just make up an answer you don't know.
Isaiah 53:10
Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.

ThePlainTruth:
Is you others are doing your thinking for. The Bible was written by men not by God that's why there are so many contradictions, untill you realise this you can never set yourself free.

You can shove your insincere and hollow thank you, back to where the sun dont shine that it came out from

^"[sup]28The angel appeared to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
²⁹Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be.
³⁰So the angel told her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
³¹Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus.
³²He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David,
³³and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”
³⁴“How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
³⁵The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God.
³⁶Look, even Elizabeth your relative has conceived a son in her old age, and she who was called barren is in her sixth month.
³⁷For no word from God will ever fail.”
³⁸“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May it happen to me according to your word.” Then the angel left her.[/I]"
- Luke 1:28-38[/sup]

Though I earlier asked you to explain why you used "[i]a preposterous message" I think I see now that you used it in the context of believing what to the untrained, inexperienced and having little knowledge will class as ridiculous and so deride, but then the number one qualifier for a human being to receive favour from God is to develop an healthy interest in God and the things of God.

If you have no interest in God and the things of God (e.g. the Kingdom, His will, your purpose in the grand scheme of God's things et cetera) then faith and/or belief will never be on your radar to have.

I am not 100001% sure that Mary, knew her Bible well enough, as much as the woman with the issue of blood, who knew about the scripture that if she could just touch the hem of Jesus' garment (i.e. the loose flowing end) she shall be made whole and receive her healing and all this from knowing about Malachi 4:2. Praise God. Alleluia

As she buckled at Luke 1:34 with saying "How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”, it is to her credit and fair play to her for recovering when the angel worked on her enough to ginger up her faith. She was after all a virgin nah, so should have known straight up that she is the right candidate for such as time and thing as that.

ThePlainTruth:
Is you others are doing your thinking for. The Bible was written by men not by God that's why there are so many contradictions, untill you realise this you can never set yourself free.

Acehart:
The bolden is the creed of your heart. I pray that the Lord of Grace sprays His love upon your heart through His Spirit in Christ. May He cause the pages of the book of life to have inscribed upon it your name. May He cause your heart to believe the good news that all men may approach God by the Blood of Jesus. That the divine influence of His word may cause you to speak of the goodness of God to tens of thousands.

I pray this in Christ’s name.

MuttleyLaff:
... I know not of any contradictions in the bible and I am not aware that, there are contradictions in the bible too.

With the greatest respect ... oftentimes what seemingly are thought to be contradictions, arent at all contradictions. They largely are phantom Bible contradictions

You can test its validity by checking on its truthfulness, its trustworthiness, its track record, fulfilled prophecies etcetera

MuttleyLaff:
... I have given you an opportunity to shine, by asking you to give me your best shot, out of all your, the seemingly inconsistencies and alleged contradictions in the Bible, if it wont be explained to you.

C'mon, bring it on, why the sudden cold feet, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
With the greatest respect, I beg ...

Oftentimes what seemingly are thought to be contradictions, arent at all contradictions. Whenever you think you're facing a contradiction, do the Berean angle like you've mentioned to check your premise.

I'll be very intrigued if you can list what you've realised dont add up. I must admit and warn you though, that sometimes 1+1 doesnt equal 2

MuttleyLaff:
...Nah, no, not another Bible contradiction, that's just your ''m.o.''
This is another of your phantom Bible contradictions
and you pursuing a mistaken belief and misguided line of thought, that, it is another Bible contradiction
Nitpicking, just for mere nitpicking sake, is not healthy

MuttleyLaff:

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