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Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by leksite120(m): 7:25pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:See how you're embarrassing yourself, learn before you talk not what you just pick and hear, Muhammad wasn't taught by any Christian, he was inspired. Even if he got taught as u claim, it'll be from a Jew cos Jews were much then than the Christians and he associated with Jews than Christians. Also, don't deviate from what I asked u, who was the mother of Mary |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Agbegbaorogboye: 7:32pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
leksite120: The mother of Mary is not known neither is it important. Since you're into unearthing mothers, you can furnish us the name of Abraham's mother, Joseph's mother and even Adam's mother!! Since you're not aware Muhammed was taught by a Christian as well as a Jew, I wonder what exactly you know |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by leksite120(m): 7:44pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:Mary's mother was known to us maybe not u, u don't have to accept that. We've records of past prophets, from Noah to lot, to Abraham to Moses, to Jesus and and all others which was revealed through our prophet. Muhammad wasn't taught, he was inspired. |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Agbegbaorogboye: 7:54pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
leksite120: Lol. Muhammad was inspired. How glorious!! Inspired by old testament texts which he managed to bungle I guess. But at least you should be aware he came in contact with Christians before his so-called revelation Mary's supposed mother was mentioned by James in his fable. Is it any wonder the same story he wrote about Mary is the same one regurgitated by your "inspired" Muhammad? I can prove to you how James'story was a fable. I wonder if you can prove Muhammad's version is different from James though. |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by leksite120(m): 8:02pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:They're all Abrahamovic religion, the fact that they've almost similar stories isn't surprising. Bible also has a lot of similar stories about Abraham , Moses and other prophets with Torah of Jews. So I guess, I should also say Bible copied the Torah? Qur'an has stories of some past prophets which are not even in the bible, a lot. Not only Muhammad was inspired, all other prophets was. Well, since you're a Christian, it shouldn't be surprising that you don't believe in Qur'an story of Mary's mother, since it's not in your bible. Meanwhile, you believe in Qur'an story of Mary herself because it authenticate the one of your bible, isn't that hypocritical. Since , you don't believe in her mother's story, that means Mary's story of being pious must also be false . |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Agbegbaorogboye: 8:09pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
leksite120: Of course the Bible copied the Torah. Has anyone ever disputed that? It's the Muslims who claim a text which was commonly in use by two major religions which were gaining some foothold in the Arabian peninsula then was suddenly revealed to their prophet. Can you mention the prophets which are not in the Bible? I'm interested. I don't believe the Quran story of Mary nor Jesus which was a direct copy of the text of James as I've told you. The accounts given by James and adopted by Muhammad are fables unfortunately. Mary was pious. But the assertion that she remained a Virgin after the birth of Christ is illogical not to mention being a lie. |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by leksite120(m): 8:29pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:How can u prove the Qur'an story of Jesus was a direct copy of James version. That it contains some similar stories doesn't means it was copied, and it's not even all the same, there are differences. There's full story of Mary in the hadith and in the Qur'an so there's a lil difference. Also, there are more than 24,000 prophets and there are 24 popular ones among the popular ones which the bible didn't account for was 'salih' , he has a lil story in the Qur'an, so his name was mentioned. |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Agbegbaorogboye: 8:42pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
leksite120: May I ask how come all the prophets recognise by your Quran all happen to be Jewish? Only Muhammad happens to be the non-Jew out of all the prophets. Can you also share what qualifies one to be a prophet in Islam? The fact is that there's no significance attached to Muhammad being an Arabian. You can expose the significance for us why God will suddenly abandon the Jews from whom he hitherto chose all his prophets and decided to delight himself in a pagan Arab. That mystery has never been exposed by Islam. As for James's fable account of Mary. I hope you know it's older than the Quran so while flawed, it follows logic that Bahira the Coptic Christian who taught Muhammad taught him the apocryphal version which the Quran is very similar too. There's a good reason to believe if he met a gnostic, his account would have followed their beliefs. There are more than 24,000 Jewish prophets. The Bible only mention the popular ones. I'll check out your salih |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Kobojunkiee: 9:19pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
GOVERNMENT2:Cyrus was an unbeliever who, according to the prophet Isaiah, was chosen by God. Alexander, however, no clue! |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by leksite120(m): 9:20pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:That God made him a prophet among the Arabs is his wish and he has a reason for that, shouldn't it be a misery also that all prophets are Israelites (note: not Jewish) , the 24000 prophets are Israelites, shouldn't that be a misery itself. For bringing out a prophet from the Arab is his wish. It's just as saying how come Jesus is authentic since he's the only prophet with a mother and no father. Or should we call Jesus a bastard for that? This thing called religion that we're doing is spiritual (we've to accept what is sent forth for us) so Muhammad being from Arab isn't exceptional. Nothing qualifies one to be a prophet , it's simply 'chosen' . Nothing else , no race/anything qualifies it. |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Kobojunkiee: 9:21pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
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Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by GOVERNMENT2: 9:24pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Kobojunkiee:CYRUS IS THE SAME PROPHET AS ALEXANDER D GREAT. HIS ISLAMIC NAME IS DHUL QARNAYN |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Acehart: 9:43pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
[quote author=jamesid29 post=97463876] You are welcome boss. Not all charitoō is given by God( humans give favor to other humans) and not all charitoō is unmerited ( eg Joseph found favour in the eyes of Potiphar). The choice of “grace” is not just a perspective i have taken, it's part of the consistent theme of the Bible, atleast when it comes to God and His dealings with humanity.( Personally, I don't really use the word "unmerited favour" as It's one of those words that have been over Christianised over the years and can give modern readers a different mental picture. A better way of understanding the motif is to think of it as "God is always way more generous than people deserve". Simply "favor" or "grace" is more of a better translation). Revelation 2:17 To him who overcomes (conquers), I will give to eat of the manna that is hidden, and I will give him a white stone with a new name engraved on the stone. I was caught between pasting the text above and the parable of The Workers in the Vineyard; but I had to stick with the verse above because of its length. However, I hope to delve into the parable as I go along (maybe it wouldn’t be necessary). Our race was set forth by our faith in Christ, as the scriptures says, ”For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God” ; our race was sustained by the power of the Spirit as the scripture says: we are “protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time”. So, at what point does our input count when the scriptures says: run [your race] that you may lay hold [of the prize] and make it yours? If we saved by favor unlabored for, is the prize by favor and effort induced? This verse is talking about a husband's praise to his wife sir(Prov 31:28). Proverbs 31:1 The words of King Lemuel, the oracle which his mother taught him. |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by MuttleyLaff: 9:47pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Nobody: 9:48pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Anyone who believes this rubbish fairytale, their brain should be baked and fed to the monkeys. ![]() |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Kobojunkiee: 10:29pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
GOVERNMENT2:I am not sorry to be the one to burst that deluded bubble of yours. Cyrus, the Great, the King of Persia, was a different man from Alexander the Great of Greece. ![]() |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by jamesid29(m): 10:37pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Acehart: Maybe you should read the rest of my post in its entirety sir: jamesid29: jamesid29: Acehart: Proverbs 31:1 The words of King Lemuel, the oracle which his mother taught him. I think a previous poster has given a good answer to what I think you are trying to drive at femi4: So we are both on the same line of thought, here's Proverbs 31 in it's entirety. 31: The words of King Lemuel. An oracle that his mother taught him: 2 What are you doing, my son? What are you doing, son of my womb? What are you doing, son of my vows? 3 Do not give your strength to women, your ways to those who destroy kings. 4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to take strong drink, 5 lest they drink and forget what has been decreed and pervert the rights of all the afflicted. 6 Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; 7 let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more. 8 Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. 9 Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy. 10 An excellent wife who can find? She is far more precious than jewels. 11 The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he will have no lack of gain. 12 She does him good, and not harm, all the days of her life. 13 She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands. 14 She is like the ships of the merchant; she brings her food from afar. 15 She rises while it is yet night and provides food for her household and portions for her maidens. 16 She considers a field and buys it; with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard. 17 She dresses herself[e] with strength and makes her arms strong. 18 She perceives that her merchandise is profitable. Her lamp does not go out at night. 19 She puts her hands to the distaff, and her hands hold the spindle. 20 She opens her hand to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy. 21 She is not afraid of snow for her household, for all her household are clothed in scarlet. 22 She makes bed coverings for herself; her clothing is fine linen and purple. 23 Her husband is known in the gates when he sits among the elders of the land. 24 She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchant. 25 Strength and dignity are her clothing, and she laughs at the time to come. 26 She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue. 27 She looks well to the ways of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness. 28 Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her: 29 “Many women have done excellently, but you surpass them all.” 30 Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. 31 Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates. The part we are most interested in starts from verse 10 so I put a break to show the shift in the poem My question is this sir On what basis are you making the intertextuality (hyperlink) between this poem and Luke's account of the gospel? |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by femi4: 10:41pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
jamesid29:The account of Luke and prov 31 are different Prov 31 refers to a MARRIED woman with husband and kids. Nothing mentioned there about a VIRGIN The account of Luke focused on a young virgin woman Luke stated emphatically that Mary was HIGHLY FAVOURED. It's there in black and White. The first statement of angel Gabriel reads YOU ARE HIGHLY FAVOURED. Now, prophecy relating to that can be found in Is 7:14 I don't know why we love to link scriptures together without understanding |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by jamesid29(m): 10:47pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
femi4:My bad sir. My question was to Acehart and not you boss. I just used your post as a reply to his question since i also found it a sufficient answer. So rather than saying the same thing you've already said, I just used yours as a reply My follow up question was to him |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Agbegbaorogboye: 10:57pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
leksite120: Let me quickly correct something. That "Jesus has no father" is pure fallacy and one of the confusions Islamists are faced with when they are faced with the personality of Jesus. Jesus was known as the "son of the carpenter" to the Jews (Matt 13:55), his immediate community. Thus, Joseph was regarded as his earthly father and at no time did Joseph deny that relationship. On the other hand, to those of us who have been fortunate to accept him as our saviour, he's the son of God as John 3:16 tells us. The reason I asked you what qualifies one to be called a prophet in Jewish religion is to educate you on what qualifies one to be called a prophet in the old testament. The word prophet is a combination of two words which losely mean "to tell in advance". In other words, a prophet is sent to tell people of God's mind towards them. Thus for anyone to lay claim to be a prophet, he must speak the message of God. A prophet is not an historian, that belongs to the scribes, nor a leader of worship, that belongs to the priests. His is that of a messenger. God spoke through Jewish prophets to the Jews only. He never spoke to his people through outsiders. Which brings us to the question of who Muhammad's message was really for if he indeed claims to be a prophet. |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by GOVERNMENT2: 11:25pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Kobojunkiee:I REALLY DONT NEED TO ARGUE WITH A MAN OF FLAME |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by GOVERNMENT2: 11:42pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:DEUTERONOMY 33:2 AND HE SAID, THE LORD CAME FROM SNAI, AND ROSE UP FROM SEIR UNTO THEM; HE SHINED FORTH FROM MOUNT PARAN AND HE CAME WITH TEN THOUSANDS OF SAINTS: FROM HIS RIGHT HAND WENT FIERY LAW FOR THEM KINDLY EXPLAIN THIS VERSE PLEASE ![]() COCOCANDY KINDLY JOIN THIS CONVERSATION. IM HERE TO GIVE YOU SOME BIBLE VERSE THAT AUTHENTICATE THE PROPHET-HOOD OF ISLAMIC PROPHET. |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by ichuka(m): 11:47pm On Dec 27, 2020 |
Acehart:she believe and it was counted to her as righteousness? where is it written in the bible,do you even know the meaning of righteousness? |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Agbegbaorogboye: 7:51am On Dec 28, 2020 |
GOVERNMENT2: In what context if I may ask? Cause I find the verse self-explanatory |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by GOVERNMENT2: 8:09am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:EXACTLY WHY I ASKED YOU TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR ME |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Agbegbaorogboye: 8:18am On Dec 28, 2020 |
GOVERNMENT2:Break it down? You find the grammar to confusing? A dictionary could be of help rather than I |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by GOVERNMENT2: 8:27am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:WHY ARE YOU SHYING AWAY FROM THE TRUTH ![]() |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Agbegbaorogboye: 8:37am On Dec 28, 2020 |
GOVERNMENT2:What truth? |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by leksite120(m): 8:45am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:Firstly, Joseph wasn't the father of Jesus, Joseph was known with Mary, fine. He was just there to act like his Father so that his birth misery won't be questioned and the Jews would stop calling him a bastard, he was a figure head father. Also, Muhammad qualifies being a prophet. Muhammad didn't came to tell histories only. He talked about God's message as u claimed prophet hood is. He talked about the resurrection day which some are even different from that of the bible. Qur'an mainly consists of the hereafter message, warning, praise, laws and history. I'll implore you to read it, not for religious purpose but just for educational purpose, just regard it as a normal book and read And that he wasn't sent through the Israelite race is justifiable, as he claims he was sent to the world while the Israelite prophets were sent mainly to the Israelites |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by GOVERNMENT2: 8:47am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:WHO WAS THIS PROPHET THAT CAME WITH TEN THOUSANDS OF HOLY ONES (DISCIPLES) AND A FIERY LAW ![]() WHO SHINED FORTH AT MOUNT PARAN AND WHERE IS THIS MOUNT PARAN LOCATED ![]() |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by Agbegbaorogboye: 8:51am On Dec 28, 2020 |
GOVERNMENT2:The verse was referring to God himself not any prophet. Didn't you see "The Lord" in that verse? Or is Muhammad now Moses' Lord? ![]() That's why I asked you to consult a dictionary |
Re: Why Was Mary Chosen To Birth Jesus Christ? by GOVERNMENT2: 8:56am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Agbegbaorogboye:I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION, WHERE IS THE PRESENT DAY MOUNT PARAN LOCATED AT ![]() ![]() |
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