This team lack character and conviction we were neither here nor there, Kante was getting dragged out of position steadily by Gundogan dribbles and Sterling's change of pace. Starting a half-fit Ziyech was a tactical blunder from Lampard against Pep who will seek to exploit any vulnerability, also Kovacic and Azpi were exposed due to the ineffective combination down the right flank Mount was the only one trying in that Midfield. Pulisic was just dribbling instead of QuickTime release. Service delivery to Werner was non-existent. Havertz showed what he's capable of doing likewise Gilmour and Hudson-Odoi.

nateevs:


I was literally replying to you two days saying that I trade using Etoro and spambot catch me and deleted trade. Can repeat what I typed. I don't know what the trigger was.

And I’ve been bombarded with the Etoro ad everywhere.. Interesting

Ibeme:
Lampard deserves my patience after 17 games unbeaten and over 10 stellar years of service, and I will give him it. We knew it was going to be a rocky period after the Everton and Wolves defeats looking at the fixtures. I have never thought this squad was balanced, especially in the Striker and DM positions, no depth at fullback and what we are seeing is a conflagration of all those personnel issues, injuries, and yes, some tactical naivety from Lampard. And yet, every Chelsea fan has a different version of their starting 11 and claim Lampard doesn't know what he's doing when their favourites aren't picked. Someone said he's a fool for not starting Giroud or Tammy, another said he should be playing Werner and is not getting the best out of him. One criticised for playing Mount, another said Havertz is rubbish. Another said Kovacic is a fraud and Barkley should be playing, ignoring the fact that was whom Havertz was brought to replace. Another said Ziyech is too soft and can't track back, and CHO should have started, meanwhile half the fans hate CHO. The only section of the team we all agree is the goalkeeper and defence.

All this means is we are struggling for players that solve our problems regardless of blowing £130m on the German Daniel James and new Ozil.

Lol.

The problem with the team is pretty clear. Every other thing ure saying is pandering to your soft spot for Lampard.

How can anyone not see that the midfield is the problem. I said it at the start of the game and will keep saying it.

Play 4411, 4231, 343 or even 3511 and the problem of creativity is reduced, of course he's never gonna do that cos Mount wouldn't start in any of those formation. Everyone stands still when Pulisic is moving with the ball, No motion or runners.

Everytime Werner has to come to the middle to get the ball instead of making runs down the forward lines. Even when he does, No one is picking them

Kovacic would never thrive as an 8 neither would Kante (or even as a lone 4) ditto Kai, Why the hell does he stick with it. Did u not see City today. Not only is Lampard clueless, he's also stubborn as well.

The success of the team comes first and not accommodating other players for bloody Mason Mount.

User09:


Lol.

The problem with the team is pretty clear. Every other thing ure saying is pandering to your soft spot for Lampard.

How can anyone not see that the midfield is the problem. I said it at the start of the game and will keep saying it.

Play 4411, 4231, 343 or even 3511 and the problem of creativity is reduced, of course he's never gonna do that cos Mount wouldn't start in any of those formation. Everyone stands still when Pulisic is moving with the ball, No motion or runners.

Everytime Werner has to come to the middle to get the ball instead of making runs down the forward lines

Kovacic would never thrive as an 8 neither would Kante ditto Kai. Did u not see City today. Not only is Lampard clueless, he's also stubborn as well.

Always accommodating other players for bloody Mason Mount.

Mount is the only player performing in that midfield my friend unless you missed it. All the above is rubbish. Mount can even play in a pivot for Kai so it's nothing to do with favouritism.

Your lazy German AM aka I scored 12 goals and 6 assists at Leverkusen while doing no midfield work so let me stroll and do the same at Chelsea. If you want to play AM without doing work, you better come up with 30 G+A regularly. Any fool can do 18 G+A in AM if they don't have any responsibility. Nigga literally played as striker with those shyte numbers that he thinks entitle him to stroll around. Go take a cue from Bruno Fernandes to know what we are competing with.

User09:


Lol.

The problem with the team is pretty clear. Every other thing ure saying is pandering to your soft spot for Lampard.

How can anyone not see that the midfield is the problem. I said it at the start of the game and will keep saying it.

Play 4411, 4231, 343 or even 3511 and the problem of creativity is reduced, of course he's never gonna do that cos Mount wouldn't start in any of those formation. Everyone stands still when Pulisic is moving with the ball, No motion or runners.

Everytime Werner has to come to the middle to get the ball instead of making runs down the forward lines

Kovacic would never thrive as an 8 neither would Kante (or even as a lone 4) ditto Kai. Did u not see City today. Not only is Lampard clueless, he's also stubborn as well.

Always accommodating other players for bloody Mason Mount.

Oya tell us what would be your midfield set up and your personnel in it. Factor in number of matches, consideration for injuries and suspensions.

Tell us, what would you do. Don't forget all the factors.

User09:


Lol.

The problem with the team is pretty clear. Every other thing ure saying is pandering to your soft spot for Lampard.

How can anyone not see that the midfield is the problem. I said it at the start of the game and will keep saying it.

Play 4411, 4231, 343 or even 3511 and the problem of creativity is reduced, of course he's never gonna do that cos Mount wouldn't start in any of those formation. Everyone stands still when Pulisic is moving with the ball, No motion or runners.

Everytime Werner has to come to the middle to get the ball instead of making runs down the forward lines

Kovacic would never thrive as an 8 neither would Kante (or even as a lone 4) ditto Kai. Did u not see City today. Not only is Lampard clueless, he's also stubborn as well.

Always accommodating other players for bloody Mason Mount.

It seem you have a blurred vision to read and comprehend simple analysis as the one you quoted? The poster claimed Mason was the only one in our weak midfield trying to create & commit opposing players to errors to win balls from them.
Your deep seated hate for this boy would choke you. Leave him alone .
Let that £75m german burger give us a hint of the hype but till then, Mason Mount is an integral part of this squad and a very important one at that.

Ibeme:



Mount is the only player performing in that midfield my friend unless you missed it. All the above is rubbish. Mount can even play in a pivot for Kai so it's nothing to do with favouritism.

Your lazy German AM aka I scored 12 goals and 6 assists at Leverkusen while doing no midfield work so let me stroll and do the same at Chelsea. If you want to play AM without doing work, you better come up with 30 G+A regularly. Any fool can do 18 G+A in AM if they don't have any responsibility. Nigga literally played as striker with those shyte numbers that he thinks entitle him to stroll around. Go take a cue from Bruno Fernandes to know what we are competing with.

This totori my belle
I know say na iamJ get that moniker.
Him just dey disguise ... If another coach come to stamford bridge, e go shock them say Mason Mount go retain him shirt but that german Adolph Hitler go go MkDons for loan.

[quote author=Ibeme post=97693192]Lampard deserves my patience after 17 games unbeaten and over 10 stellar years of service, and I will give him it. We knew it was going to be a rocky period after the Everton and Wolves defeats looking at the fixtures. I have never thought this squad was balanced, especially in the Striker and DM positions, no depth at fullback and what we are seeing is a conflagration of all those personnel issues, injuries, and yes, some tactical naivety from Lampard. And yet, every Chelsea fan has a different version of their starting 11 and claim Lampard doesn't know what he's doing when their favourites aren't picked. Someone said he's a fool for not starting Giroud or Tammy, another said he should be playing Werner and is not getting the best out of him. One criticised for playing Mount, another said Havertz is rubbish. Another said Kovacic is a fraud and Barkley should be playing, ignoring the fact that was whom Havertz was brought to replace. Another said Ziyech is too soft and can't track back, and CHO should have started, meanwhile half the fans hate CHO. The only section of the team we all agree is the goalkeeper and defence.

All this means is we are struggling for players that solve our problems regardless of blowing £130m on the German Daniel James and newOzil /quote]

Ibeme:



Mount is the only player performing in that midfield my friend unless you missed it. All the above is rubbish. Mount can even play in a pivot for Kai so it's nothing to do with favouritism.

Your lazy German AM aka I scored 12 goals and 6 assists at Leverkusen while doing no midfield work so let me stroll and do the same at Chelsea. If you want to play AM without doing work, you better come up with 30 G+A regularly. Any fool can do 18 G+A in AM if they don't have any responsibility. Nigga literally played as striker with those shyte numbers that he thinks entitle him to stroll around. Go take a cue from Bruno Fernandes to know what we are competing with.

I have said it multiple times and across most of my post that the dynamics of the midfield is not being fully utilized with insisting on Mount in it. U guys still dont get it, It's not about what he does, It's about fully utilising our other players in their best positions without sticking to this double 8 stuff. This is the same reason why Dele Alli no longer starts for Spurs, He doesnt make the players around him better

Call Havertz whatever you like. He's clearly beaten Mount on the assist and goal metrics this season while playing significantly less and out of position if I may add.

U would prefer the goals and assist right; or would you rather stick to your flatter to deceive presser guy

This isnt even about Havertz, Can u not see how Kante, Kovacic and Jorginho are all rubbish in the middle as Lampard insists on playing them in a not so compatible formation. The pieces are not fitting right and it all stops on Lampard desk

no worry, na on top Leicester Chelsea go pick form
























I mean jamb form

nateevs:


Oya tell us what would be your midfield set up and your personnel in it. Factor in number of matches, consideration for injuries and suspensions.

Tell us, what would you do. Don't forget all the factors.

I have been consistent across all my post with what should be our best formation

4-2-1-3, Kova/Mount and Kante. He doesnt even need to start kai as the advanced, Ziyech would do and playing CHO right there in his natural position

We cannot keep sacrificing creativity for pressing

User09:


I have been consistent across all my post with what should be our best formation

4-2-1-3, Kova/Mount and Kante. He doesnt even need to start kai as the advanced, Ziyech would do and playing CHO right there in his natural position

We cannot keep sacrificing creativity for pressing

What formation is 4213?

You mean we should play 3 strikers?

nihilistjnr:


What formation is 4213?

You mean we should play 3 strikers?

Quit joking around. I put the hyphen there for a reason

Roland17:


You mean low budget Finidi George?

See as you de insult finidi George.
Finidi is far far far better than Ziyech in all ramifications, he won UCL and multiple Eredivisie as a first team, that was when dutch leagye was among the best leagues in Europe. He won Afcon and played in 2 World cup. Who is ziyech? Low budget Tijani Babangida

SyIvalord:
Don’t disrespect Finidi George please. You can’t just compare any Tom, Dick and Ziyech to him.

As in eeh imagine. Ziyech and Finidi in same sentence what an insult

[2020/21] - City w/ John Stones - 12 matches, 11 wins, 1 draw, 9 clean sheets, 3 goals conceded. W/out John Stones - 12 matches, 5 wins, 5 draws, 2 losses, 4 clean sheets, 13 goals conceded

One special kind of clown here owns another big fat L from John Stones on top the trashing his club chopped today.

nihilistjnr:


What formation is 4213?

You mean we should play 3 strikers?

333

Wore 3
Beaten 3
On Jan 3
With 3strikers

segedinho my mahn, I just say may I greet you, whatsup?

nihilistjnr:


What formation is 4213?

You mean we should play 3 strikers?

please boss I dey look for blueangel444

Leipzig and Leverkusen singing
load am, cashout!!!!!!!!

User09:


Quit joking around. I put the hyphen there for a reason

What's the joke?

What formation is 4-2-1-3? Did you mean 4231? Or do you actually want us to play 3 strikers?

nihilistjnr:


What's the joke?

What formation is 4-2-1-3? Did you mean 4231? Or do you actually want us to play 3 strikers?

Ok.

Yes I mean 4231. I put the hyphen in the 2 and 1 to emphasize my point about the midfield

HewlettPackard:


What you fail to realize is that Kloop was a great manager before coming to England with established football ideology, a league winner, a UCL finalist.

What was Lampard before coming to Chelsea? 2yrs at Chelsea what is he?

the recent losses are not my argument points, but Lampard tactics and approach. It is evident he doesn't have it W/D/L.

What was Klopp before joining Dortmund?

Klopp finished 6th in his first season with Dortmund and the following season he finished 5th. Next 2 seasons he won the league.

This same Lampard beat City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs last season but he must be sacked now.

popizaino:



I just reason Rafa benitez now.

You want thunder to fire you abi?

User09:


I have been consistent across all my post with what should be our best formation

4-2-1-3, Kova/Mount and Kante. He doesnt even need to start kai as the advanced, Ziyech would do and playing CHO right there in his natural position

We cannot keep sacrificing creativity for pressing

No one is sacrificing creativity for pressing. We are just unfortunate to have shelled 10s of millions on a player who we are being told is creative but we are damn sure is lazy. And until we see that he is able to put in a decent shift to help the team (which I am hoping he will achieve as he is just 21), we are not going to bench those who bring sheer grit and desire with half as much creativity.

Havertz at this moment, cannot match the creativity of De Bruyne's and Bruno, but damn those fellas put in infinitely more work than what we see from Kai. Sitting Kai on the bench is not sacrificing creativity, it is common sense. We are not going to condone strolling and primadonna attitude from a player at 21. He should hit the gym and move in with Kante, to get some hybrid touch to his game, if he is going to fulfill half of the promise he has.

Ziyech has barely had a run in this team for more than 5 games in a row. So no one can or should be blamed for not inventing with Ziyech's abilities. Let's have him in a decent run, then we can experiment.

Lampard did not even start this season with a 4-3-3. He experimented with 2 strikers upfront. He played RLC in a forward position behind Tammy, hoping to change something. He fell back to 4-3-3 when we had a run of inconsistent results, so we can have some consistency. So those saying he doesn't try other things are completely wrong.

I have seen top managers with that moronic, helpless look on the sidelines, unable to influence losing streaks and everything just seemed to be going wrong no matter what 11 they chose.

Lampard just needs a run of good fortune. A few easy games to put some wins under his belt, and players keeping fit. We get that confidence back and then see what happens. A team does not go on a run of 17 games unbeaten by mistake. The quality is there and the system to bring our the best in the quality is also there. So I don't see the need for all this foaming over what is clearly a squad depth problem.

airmark:


What was Klopp before joining Dortmund?

Klopp finished 6th in his first season with Dortmund and the following season he finished 5th. Next 2 seasons he won the league.

This same Lampard beat City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs last season but he must be sacked now.

Don't mind them. Established my backside. Dem born am established.

nateevs:


No one is sacrificing creativity for pressing. We are just unfortunate to have shelled 10s of millions on a player who we are being told is creative but we are damn sure is lazy. And until we see that he is able to put in a decent shift to help the team (which I am hoping he will achieve as he is just 21), we are not going to bench those who bring sheer grit and desire with half as much creativity.

Havertz at this moment, cannot match the creativity of De Bruyne's and Bruno, but damn those fellas put in infinitely more work than what we see from Kai. Sitting Kai on the bench is not sacrificing creativity, it is common sense. We are not going to condone strolling and primadonna attitude from a player at 21. He should hit the gym and move in with Kante, to get some hybrid touch to his game, if he is going to fulfill half of the promise he has.

Ziyech has barely had a run in this team for more than 5 games in a row. So no one can or should be blamed for not inventing with Ziyech's abilities. Let's have him in a decent run, then we can experiment.

Lampard did not even start this season with a 4-3-3. He experimented with 2 strikers upfront. He played RLC in a forward position behind Tammy, hoping to change something. He fell back to 4-3-3 when we had a run of inconsistent results, so we can have some consistency. So those saying he doesn't try other things are completely wrong.

I have seen top managers with that moronic, helpless look on the sidelines, unable to influence losing streaks and everything just seemed to be going wrong no matter what 11 they chose.

Lampard just needs a run of good fortune. A few easy games to put some wins under his belt, and players keeping fit. We get that confidence back and then see what happens. A team does not go on a run of 17 games unbeaten by mistake. The quality is there and the system to bring our the best in the quality is also there. So I don't see the need for all this foaming over what is clearly a squad depth problem.

Again u make this about Havertz

What about Kante, Kova, Jorgi?.

Let me reiterate this if I wasnt clear enough; Every midfielder is playing out of position except Mount. If he really wanted nothing but his double 8, clearly Barkley and RLC should not have gone on loan

Every other thing you wrote there about havertz can easily be discredited but I wouldnt so we do not change the discourse

Old timers defending their icon Lampfraud. Young Turks attacking him with all they have got.

Either way it will surely end in tears.

just a reminder.

CapitalCee:


See as you de insult finidi George.
Finidi is far far far better than Ziyech in all ramifications, he won UCL and multiple Eredivisie as a first team, that was when dutch leagye was among the best leagues in Europe. He won Afcon and played in 2 World cup. Who is ziyech? Low budget Tijani Babangida

Don't insult Tijani Babangida

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I sight you

Smellymouth:

Well done sir ...