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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:46pm On Jan 11, 2021
Flies in face of all logic. Why would an investor build a private school if public school are good. In countries with good public schools - private school simply don't exist. It doesn't make sense.

Go ask the pope to refund your fees.

vankelvin:


You are showing your village instinct.

Institutions are run differently in different countries.

In some countries, private schools are superior to public schools.
In Ghana, public schools are rather superior to private institutions.

Little Education for you.

The catholic/other churches or muslims mission
-do not build school infrastructures
-They do not train Teachers
-They do not pay salaries
-They do not employ any worker
Government does everything so what do you mean by that Harambee rubbish?

The Churches/muslim mission are only responsible for training the students through their beliefs and what not.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:47pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
I really doubt that there is an automatic system in place that decided that.
I also doubt that church has land everywhere.

Now the double track thing make sense - because you clearly lack education facilities - you're at the mercy of churches.

In Kenya - if 10 parents meet and decide - they are far off from nearest school - they can build one - and gov will supply teachers.

Nowadays the gov build- in my village - they recently decided to build another primary school - we are fewer than 20 families - CDF bought the land - and County gov built the pre-primary - and the MP (CDF) has built 4 initial classes.

Obviously people from poor areas - in kenya - would rather they open a school under a tree - than wait for the pope to build them one.

There is an automatic system that shapes the future on every community.
your doubts will be yours.

I should be telling you that kenya lacks educational facilities because it has less primary schools than Ghana.
funny children

The most powerful church in Ghana is the Pentecostal and Methodist Church, is the pope their leader too.? grin grin

In Ghana, once church members decide they want a school, the Church provide land and the member starts the school project with the Church development fund. Once it becomes a serious thing the District assembly makes sure it is completed to standard.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:50pm On Jan 11, 2021
First let get proper stats. Kenya public primary schools are 27,000 last I checked. Private schools are in excess of 10,000.
Secondly where does the church get all that land.

When it come to expenditure - we spend about 5B dollars on public schools

- Gov pays capitation per pupil/student
- Gov pays teachers
- Gov buys equipment, textbooks, etc
- Now Gov also build schools.

Private schools including missions schools- are just outside - any gov - radar.

We are BEYOND AID - like your president clearly shown in the picture.

Just30:
There is an automatic system that shapes the future on every community.
your doubts will be yours.

I should be telling you that kenya lacks educational facilities because it has less primary schools than Ghana.
funny children

The most powerful church in Ghana is the Pentecostal and Methodist Church, is the pope their leader too.? grin grin

In Ghana, once church members decide they want a school, the Church provide land and the member starts the school project with the Church development fund. Once it becomes a serious thing the District assembly makes sure it is completed to standard.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vankelvin: 8:52pm On Jan 11, 2021
mtisTheQubit00:


the bolded...70%....guess who running the show mate grin

I can't continue with this dumbo attitude okay?

-Government is responsible for building infrastructures for these missionary schools

--Goverment is the one training Teachers for these schools.

--Goverment pays their salaries 100%

--Goverment is responsible for buying everything, from text books, desks, chalk/marker, buses etc

-- Government builds teachers bungalows

-- Government pays fees for all the students(free education)

-- Government feeds some of the students for free(school feeding program)

These Missionary churches or muslim missions are only playing supervisory role so who do you think runs these schools?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:53pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
The church has 30K primary school producing idiots like you - who probably spend a lot of time gramming bibical verse and chanting Jesus Jesus like Nigerians - than studying.

No wonder you're as obtuse as Somali who went to Madrassa...and spent all the time studying Koran ...instead of basic critical thinking.

Or like Nigerians - where someone is a criminal and a strong christian at the same time smiley smiley. I bet Ghanaians are the same - Church is basically all you know - you went to church school - all your life.

Kenya gov control the schools, the curriculum and everything.

Church in kenya are left to run their private affairs including preaching.

I said 30,000 primary schools, majority of which are private schools and followed by public schools.

Keep dreaming, you think we are dysfunctional like your nations where people run the street screaming Jesus because of a cloud... grin grin grin

Gov't control the schools and curriculum here too, make another point.

In all schools, morning assemble is compulsory on Mondays and any other day of the week.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:54pm On Jan 11, 2021
Can a muslim be admitted to catholic school and be allowed to pray in a mosque?
It appears that you've allowed churches to use public resources to spread their religion.
What you describe is basically public school - why you want to call it mission or catholic is beyond me.
vankelvin:


I can't continue with this dumbo attitude okay?

-Government is responsible for building infrastructures for these missionary schools

--Goverment is the one training Teachers for these schools.

--Goverment pays their salaries 100%

--Goverment is responsible for buying everything, from text books, desks, chalk/marker, buses etc

-- Government builds teachers bungalows

-- Government pays fees for all the students(free education)

-- Government feeds some of the students for free(school feeding program)

These Missionary churches or muslim missions are only playing supervisory role so who do you think runs these schools?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:56pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
We know what mission school in kenya are. We have them. Kenya is 90% christian nation. But we will never allow them to be anything 70% - they are not even 5% of our education system.
The fact that the church is developmental in Ghana shows how development minded we are as a people.

While your Kenya is 90% Christian, all the church money is funnel through private pockets grin grin grin grin

Here, Church collections and donations develop communities they are in.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:57pm On Jan 11, 2021
Public schools in kenya are run by parents.
Parents appoint a school board - BoM - Board of Management - with chairman now required to be the graduate.
The secretary is the school principal.
Gov deploy and manages teachers, textbook, equipment's and works.
BOM - are responsible for managing the school infrastructure. They can decide to fund raise or seek funding from gov.
These are PUBIC school.

Private schools include mission, academies, grammar schools, international schools. They receive ZERO gov funding or help or teachers or anything. Parents pay expensive fees for that reason.

Just30:
I said 30,000 primary schools, majority of which are private schools and followed by public schools.

Keep dreaming, you think we are dysfunctional like your nations where people run the street screaming Jesus because of a cloud... grin grin grin

Gov't control the schools and curriculum here too, make another point.

In all schools, morning assemble is compulsory on Mondays and any other day of the week.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vankelvin: 8:58pm On Jan 11, 2021
mtisTheQubit00:


grin grin The church is very strong...70%

largest producer of gold in africa but see..begging pope for stuff grin

You guys are too dumb, no wonder people consider Kenyans as primitives.

70% doesn't mean the churches built all the schools.

For the past 20 years, Government has built more than times 3 of what it inherited from the churches.

Every cost of these schools are paid by the Government.

Even electricity bills are absorbed by Government.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vankelvin: 9:01pm On Jan 11, 2021
Just30:
Ghanain parent do not need to ask for a school before they get i.

Once the community is of a few 1000 people, they get a primary school.
Once the population is above 10,000, They get a mission school in addition
once the population grows into the 100 of thousands, they get a cluster of schools and school complexes.

The church have access to lands, once they provide land for a school project they want to start.
Their church members begin the construction with their development money and go into negotiations with gov't for support.
The district assembly help them complete their project and provide other amenities to complete the school as per GES standard.

All mission schools in Ghana are public, whether state-assisted built mission school or sole built mission schools.
Gov't end up running them while the church provide the principals who are usually selected by the church council at national level in collaboration with GES.

Do they even understand what you are saying?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:02pm On Jan 11, 2021
Try chant this GHANA BEYOND AID.
No country can develop on your laughable model.
Church cannot be allowed to drive gov agenda...because their objective is totally different.

Kenya go to church, they tithe very well, kenyans like mission schools, they charge expensive fees, but we are secular nation.

Kenya is indeed a modern state. Church, military, etc - are not allowed in public sector - in any form.

Just30:
The fact that the church is developmental in Ghana shows how development minded we are as a people.

While your Kenya is 90% Christian, all the church money is funnel through private pockets grin grin grin grin

Here, Church collections and donations develop communities they are in.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 9:03pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
Why would you tax churches? We don't tax churches. But we don't allow them to get into gov. Kenya is a secular nation. The freedom of religion ends there.

Kenya gov has changed education system from British system like Ghana to Canada system 8-4-4 - and now we are into Competence Based Learning - and if we were waiting for Pope to agree - we would be like you. If we decide to teach sex education - we don't wait for Pope.

Functionally illiterates folks.
we dont tax Churches as long as they use their monies to carry out development to the benefit of the general public.
Churches deserve to be taxed if they are not providing public service. You are asking why should churches be tax, are churches not money making business?

a church getting into gov't is new to me, elaborate more ... grin grin

No wonder y'all are stupid in kenya.
Ghana run a 6 - 3 - 3 system.

The curriculum is provided by the GES and sex education has been taught in Ghana since schools began.

who is this pope you keep referring to and what has he got to do with education?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 9:04pm On Jan 11, 2021
mtisTheQubit00:


grin grin The church is very strong...70%

largest producer of gold in africa but see..begging pope for stuff grin

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 9:05pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
lol charismatic smiley Ghana. Then word - cutting sod smiley. Most catholics schools will take instruction from Rome - or if you like the little vatican inside Rome.
No catholic school take instructions from Rome

The Vatican does not build school let alone control one.

grin grin grin grin

its fun to see how dumb education in Kenya made you

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:06pm On Jan 11, 2021
British left you with 6-3-3 right?
Church in any serious country CANNOT be allowed to run critical sector like education.
What you're generating is criminal-cum-idiot-cum-pastor. No education is going on. Just indoctrination.
Ask any Nairobeans - and they will tell you nearly every Nigeria/Ghanian in Kenya - is part-time pastor part-time Yahoo.
Education is being able to question everything including God and Pope.
Just30:
we dont tax Churches as long as they use their monies to carry out development to the benefit of the general public.
Churches deserve to be taxed if they are not providing public service. You are asking why should churches be tax, are churches not money making business?

a church getting into gov't is new to me, elaborate more ... grin grin

No wonder y'all are stupid in kenya.
Ghana run a 6 - 3 - 3 system.

The curriculum is provided by the GES and sex education has been taught in Ghana since schools began.

who is this pope you keep referring to and what has he got to do with education?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vankelvin: 9:07pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
I really doubt that there is an automatic system in place that decided that.
I also doubt that church has land everywhere.


Now the double track thing make sense - because you clearly lack education facilities - you're at the mercy of churches.

In Kenya - if 10 parents meet and decide - they are far off from nearest school - they can build one - and gov will supply teachers.

Nowadays the gov build- in my village - they recently decided to build another primary school - we are fewer than 20 families - CDF bought the land - and County gov built the pre-primary - and the MP (CDF) has built 4 initial classes.

Obviously people from poor areas - in kenya - would rather they open a school under a tree - than wait for the pope to build them one.


You should understand one thing,
Ghana is not Kenya so read and learn, all countries are not run the same.

In Ghana the early missionaries got so many lands for free. They own huge lands. So what's wrong with Government making use of the missionary lands by building more schools on the lands whilst Government lands are used for other things?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:08pm On Jan 11, 2021
So you're basically a colony of churches. In kenya - churches got land - those days you could say huge land - but look at this - kenya were 6M in 1960s - now 50m - if we depended on land churches got in 1960s - we would be doing double track nonsense - where kid come for 3 months - and go home for 3 months - because Ghana has SERIOUS LACK of education facilities.

Instead Kenya has Africa FIRST 100% primary to secondary transition.

You cannot beat that.

We don't wait for double track system - we DOUBLE THE CAPACITY of the schools.

vankelvin:
[b]

You should understand one thing,
Ghana is not Kenya so read and learn, all countries are not run the same.

In Ghana the early missionaries got so many lands for free. They own huge lands. So what's wrong with Government making use of the missionary lands by building more schools on the lands whilst Government lands are used for other things?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vankelvin: 9:10pm On Jan 11, 2021
Just30:
It is called a mission school because the initiative came from the church and it members.
Gov't cant sit and watch a half baked school

In registering the school, the school have to be at a certain level of development.

So most of the infrastructure have to be provided by gov't anyway because it becomes a public school.


This simple thing they don't understand cool grin grin

I have wasted my time mpo

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vankelvin: 9:11pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
The church has 30K primary school producing idiots like you - who probably spend a lot of time gramming bibical verse and chanting Jesus Jesus like Nigerians - than studying.

No wonder you're as obtuse as Somali who went to Madrassa...and spent all the time studying Koran ...instead of basic critical thinking.

Or like Nigerians - where someone is a criminal and a strong christian at the same time smiley smiley. I bet Ghanaians are the same - Church is basically all you know - you went to church school - all your life.

Kenya gov control the schools, the curriculum and everything.

Church in kenya are left to run their private affairs including preaching.


Now you've lost the challenge so you have resulted to some stupid thoughts.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 9:12pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
First let get proper stats. Kenya public primary schools are 27,000 last I checked. Private schools are in excess of 10,000.
Secondly where does the church get all that land.

When it come to expenditure - we spend about 5B dollars on public schools

- Gov pays capitation per pupil/student
- Gov pays teachers
- Gov buys equipment, textbooks, etc
- Now Gov also build schools.

Private schools including missions schools- are just outside - any gov - radar.

We are BEYOND AID - like your president clearly shown in the picture.

The church buys it land from traditional authorities

How can you be beyond aid when you are waiting for the next food aid from unicef, turkey and china?
grin grin grin grin

but i digress


The Ghanaian gov't provide feeding, pays capitation grants, text and exercise books, exams fees, build schools and provide equipment, pay teachers and pay for the upgrade in teacher knowledge.
Except in international schools

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:13pm On Jan 11, 2021
vankelvin:


The question is, do your buildings look beautiful exteriorly?
you're not answering my questions.

Building design and exterior are one thing. I asked you a simple question, should we do bulding design challenge? The answer was either yes or no.

Now I will help you brother grin..

Do you know the kind of buildings in Nairobi were uprooted directly from New York and replanted to Nairobi? An American would have that newyork feeling when he travels to Nairobi .

See. We have posted more buildings and non can match any of your lowrises in architectural design.

Since you're so interested in the exterior part, I don't know the exterior design or final facade but I will give you just three pics you go and play with them.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vankelvin: 9:15pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
We know what mission school in kenya are. We have them. Kenya is 90% christian nation. But we will never allow them to be anything 70%
- they are not even 5% of our education system.

You are a confirmed idiot.

Ghana is not Kenya, get that into your weak brain.

In Ghana Missionary schools a run by Government so read and learn and stop talking rubbish.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:15pm On Jan 11, 2021
Traditional authorities.
Communist nation indeed.
So land is not owned by Ghanians...it owned by traditional kings.
Then school is owned and run by churches.
Jesus Christ smiley of Nazareth.

Kenya is totally different.
Kenya is freehold - everyone own a title to their land.
Public school are PUBLIC.

Just30:
The church buys it land from traditional authorities

How can you be beyond aid when you are waiting for the next food aid from unicef, turkey and china?
grin grin grin grin

but i digress


The Ghanaian gov't provide feeding, pays capitation grants, text and exercise books, exams fees, build schools and provide equipment, pay teachers and pay for the upgrade in teacher knowledge.
Except in international schools

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 9:17pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
Can a muslim be admitted to catholic school and be allowed to pray in a mosque?
It appears that you've allowed churches to use public resources to spread their religion.
What you describe is basically public school - why you want to call it mission or catholic is beyond me.
There are tons of Muslims in catholic schools and tons of Christians in Muslims schools.

At the secondary level, placement into schools are done by a computer selection system.
Muslims do their prayers and are allowed to freely do it and Christians attend their church freely


No church use public resource to spread their religion

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 9:18pm On Jan 11, 2021
Just30:
The church buys it land from traditional authorities

How can you be beyond aid when you are waiting for the next food aid from unicef, turkey and china?
grin grin grin grin

but i digress


The Ghanaian gov't provide feeding, pays capitation grants, text and exercise books, exams fees, build schools and provide equipment, pay teachers and pay for the upgrade in teacher knowledge.
Except in international schools

Do you know who spends the most on education between Kenya and Ghana? Google it, that should clear your doubts.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:21pm On Jan 11, 2021
vankelvin:


The question is, do your buildings look beautiful exteriorly?
Expensive designs and final facades.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vankelvin: 9:21pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
Why would you tax churches? We don't tax churches. But we don't allow them to get into gov. Kenya is a secular nation. The freedom of religion ends there.


Kenya gov has changed education system from British system like Ghana to Canada system 8-4-4 - and now we are into Competence Based Learning - and if we were waiting for Pope to agree - we would be like you. If we decide to teach sex education - we don't wait for Pope.

Functionally illiterates folks.

This guy is amazingly foolish grin grin

Are you in anyway trying to impose your nonsense governance on us?

Do you learn at all?

Get it into your foolish brain, Governments all over the world are run differently.
Kenya has never been the yardstick for proper governance so keep your rubbish ideas to yourself okay?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 9:24pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
Public schools in kenya are run by parents.
Parents appoint a school board - BoM - Board of Management - with chairman now required to be the graduate.
The secretary is the school principal.
Gov deploy and manages teachers, textbook, equipment's and works.
BOM - are responsible for managing the school infrastructure. They can decide to fund raise or seek funding from gov.
These are PUBIC school.

Private schools include mission, academies, grammar schools, international schools. They receive ZERO gov funding or help or teachers or anything. Parents pay expensive fees for that reason.

Public schools in Ghana is run by the GES and PTA solely or the Church, GES and PTA in mission schools.

Here The GES appoint a principal and the person is always a graduate. In mission schools, the church must accept the person Islamic leader must accept the person.

Student leaders are appointed by students, PTA leaders are appointed and teacher leaders are appointed to for the governing council.
Private schools receive zero gov;t funding grin grin

anymore you want to add?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Wuoche: 9:27pm On Jan 11, 2021
Just30:
we dont need to study anything from kenya


we have 30,000 primary schools today

By the time of 1957 we had almost 4000 schools

As of 2016 Kenya had 33,000 Primary Schools.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:27pm On Jan 11, 2021
Just30:
Public schools in Ghana is run by the GES and PTA solely or the Church, GES and PTA in mission schools.

Here The GES appoint a principal and the person is always a graduate. In mission schools, the church must accept the person Islamic leader must accept the person.

Student leaders are appointed by students, PTA leaders are appointed and teacher leaders are appointed to for the governing council.
Private schools receive zero gov;t funding grin grin

anymore you want to add?
you're still peddling lies hobbit.

You have said nothing.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 9:31pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
Try chant this GHANA BEYOND AID.
No country can develop on your laughable model.
Church cannot be allowed to drive gov agenda...because their objective is totally different.

Kenya go to church, they tithe very well, kenyans like mission schools, they charge expensive fees, but we are secular nation.

Kenya is indeed a modern state. Church, military, etc - are not allowed in public sector - in any form.

TRY CHANTING, KENYA NEED NO MORE AID
KENYA CAN NOW FEED ITSELF.

grin grin grin grin

No country should be robbed by it Church like it happens in Kenya grin grin
Despotic people

If that was happening in Ghana, the church member will riot.

The church should be developmental as long as they are using public service and not paying tax.
The church should provide service to the general public when they are not paying tax.

Ghana is a secular state and there is complete separation between church and state.

If the church does not provide public service, it need to be taxed heavily

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vankelvin: 9:32pm On Jan 11, 2021
rvp2018:
Flies in face of all logic. Why would an investor build a private school if public school are good. In countries with good public schools - private school simply don't exist. It doesn't make sense.

Go ask the pope to refund your fees.


In Ghana, if you really want to run a private school, the best decision will be to run KG, Primary and JHS. Running an SHS or a private University is a difficult venture.

Ghanaians respect
Public SHS and
Public Universities than the private schools.

For the last time,

Government pays the bills for the missionary schools.

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