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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 12:17pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: Is the bolded statement also from SAAB or from you? Why are you like this? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:30pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
giles14:How? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:36pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: Mach 2 speed for the Gripen is higher than the JF-17 at 1.6 mach, but top speed is irrelevant. The F/A-18 has a top speed of Mach 1.6, same as the F-35. Gripen G load is +9/-3. The JF-17 also have the option of the PL-12, PL-10 and many advanced advanced missiles. Link-17 is integrated on the JF-17. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:01pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
kabe1:The F/A 18 is a naval jet, hence the speed isn't priority..... However its certainly not irrelevant... At all!! And the F35 is a stealth aircraft which is not meant to engage WVR hence again speed isn't the priority, WVR the F35 is absolute dog sh1t Secondly the G load of the Gripen is +9/-4 according to the The JF-17 might also be fitted with one of the best SRAAM currently on the market... The A Darter I didn't say the JF17 didn't have a Data link 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:02pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
iblawi:SAAB Why I'm I like what? You people are blinded by patriotism making false claims..... The JF-17 is good and would fit Nigerian requirements perfectly....... Its not however in the same league as the Gripen. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 1:29pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115:You are the one blinded by patriotism and making false claims. Am used to you shifting goal post. SAAB classified JAS-39 as light attack fighter which put it in same class as tejas and JF17 thunder ⚡. It might be the best in it class bases on what we hear and see online but the fact remains JAS-39 is a light fighter jet. Gripen NG with lots of modification and extensive upgrade fall in the medium category with F-16, mig 35, etc. This will be my last comment on this topic. Everyone is free to believe what they want to believe. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Raaven: 2:09pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: which redflag exercise ?? The Gripen has the highest sustained and instantaneous turn rate of any fighter, as well as the highest AOA of any fighter in the world. a source about this statement ? russian jets with there powerful two engines with thrust vector control are not a joke when we talk about maneuverability, AOA, and fight WVR 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:50pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
iblawi:I never once said the Gripen wasn't a light fighter?? I simply said it is direct competition for the F16 which by definition is also a light fighter. Where as the JF-17 is direct competition for the Tejas. Also the Gripen E is also a light fighter not a medium fighter. You literally had an argument with yourself 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:09pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
Raaven:This was only a Gripen A: https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/former-swedish-air-force-flight-engineer-explains-how-the-saab-gripen-can-dogfight-and-win-against-almost-any-dissimilar-aircraft/ Su35: AOA: 45 degrees Sustained turn rate:25 Instantaneous turn rate:32 Gripen C AOA: 70 degrees Sustained turn rate: 28 degrees Instantaneous turn rate: 38 degrees 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 6:13pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
Another brilliant Nigerian Air Force video, eliminating terrorist vehicles. https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceInfoNG/status/1349399662504140806 4 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Toju200(m): 6:20pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
kabe1:mi-35m in action |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 6:49pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: You're deluded, a single comment from an unknown flight engineer is your source? This is hilarious. Please post credible sources. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:53pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
kabe1:The article is from a credible military news site, written by a respected defense writer...........its not a blog like you like to use as sources 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:02pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: Post credible sources. It's big news, let's see a Jane's Defence report on this, AIA, Air recognition, just post one credible source. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Raaven: 7:11pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: it was gripen C , http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/75717/swedish-af-looks-back-on-gripen-at-red-flag.html and the source of scores against F16's is from from Quora site ( not very serious source ) . from a guy called Stefan Englund ( former Lieutenant Swedish Air Force Flight Engineering (1986-1991), not an official source could be advertising and its not against a rafale like your statement . for a better source Swiss Air Force tested and evaluated the gripen between 2008 and 2011 , the result the Gripen has significantly inferior performances than the Rafale, the Typhoon or even the older F/A-18C/D used by swiss AF. ( pics 1 to 4 for the results) [img]https://imagizer./v2/1139x625q90/924/RgOzln.jpg[/img] the official report of the evaluation here : [url]http://lignesdedefense.blogs.ouest-france.fr/files/rapport%20suisse.pdf[/url] jln115: same problem . whats the source of this graph ? : AOA , Sustained turn rate change with altitude, weight, drag, speed,configuration.... here an exemple of a turn performance graph of an F16 . [img]https://imagizer./v2/640x490q90/923/qBrBoj.jpg[/img] how can you compare all this kind of parameters and give a single number with such a simple graph . its absolutely nonsense , this kind of test must be done under the same conditions for all the jets on your graph , which is impossible. so i think it's worthless fanboy graphs . 7 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GeneralFarouq: 7:12pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115:The Jf-17 ain't in competition with tejas, it clearly outclasses the Indian design.... 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:37pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
Raaven:- Quora site? No I did not..........go read the article I posted - Go read the report again It was evaluating Air Policing/Escort, Strike Mission and Reconnaissance...........All of which the Gripen would be severally disadvantaged as it doesnt have the range or payload to preform such missions compared to the Rafale and Eurofighter.(and this is literally the reason the Gripen lost out on these catogories according to the report)........or any other heavy fighter for that matter...............It also isn't my argument that the Gripen is the best fighter as I've stated several times that the Rafale is the best multirole fighter ever built!! However my argument was solely the WVR dog fighting capability of the Gripen, which does in fact out class both Rafale and Eurofighter. - Max sustained and instantaneous turn rates 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Raaven: 7:43pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: here from the article , have even found the original post on Quora 4 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:44pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
Raaven:LOL I take that back then 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Raaven: 8:28pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: here a serious source : pdf https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1474667015332274/pdf?md5=89008a7c3fa4a6978d9460bba43737d2&pid=1-s2.0-S1474667015332274-main.pdf CAREFREE MANOEUVRING AND AUTOMATIC RETURN TO NORMAL FLIGHT ENVELOPE JAS 39 GRIPEN. an academic work From Robert Hillgren SAAB AB who work for SAAB on page 118 you will find that angle of attack of the grippen is only 26 degree for the light external store configurations and 20 degrees for the most heavy external store configurations. so again its very diffcult to appreciate and compare WVR capabilities and there is a lot of false fanboy stats and sources on internet . add the manufacturer advertising for there products , we need to be specialists in aeronautics and have these jets in the hands of our pilots to be able to judge . the gripen is a good jet but you can not say its better than others in WVR so easily 7 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:45pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: Hahahahahahahahahabababababahaha!!!! 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:47pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
Raaven: Buhahahahahahahahahaha Oh, oh My ribs, this is embarrassing 5 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:48pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: I told you, but you wouldn't listen!! Stubborn fly...... You see where it landed you? 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:59pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
kabe1:Ironic from the dude posting infographics from a blog https://www.businessinsider.co.za/sweden-built-a-russian-fighter-jet-killer-and-stealth-is-irrelevant-2019-2?r=US&IR=T https://www.flightglobal.com/analysis-sweden-hails-gripens-evolution-at-red-flag/109110.article |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:00pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
Raaven: What we do have is wing loading and G load............that should give you a fair basic indication for a start |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:04pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
@Raaven Just FYI people were posting fanboy info graphs(cough.... Kabe1) here long before I did..............could of just left me to have my fun instead of making this a technical serious discussion like we on nemises's page 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Raaven: 9:19pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115: we must encourage serious debates with sources, I am here, like many, to learn and understand more about military field . like this we will enjoy the thread more 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Raaven: 9:22pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
morocco to buy two new OPV Avante from spain 1500 tons . 80 meters 5 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by IGpro1(m): 9:23pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115:yeye boy, hope you didn't pee your pants while taking it back.. Gripen this Gripen that I know a day is coming when you will claim Gripen C/D is better than an F35. Southies never sieze to amase me. 5 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:31pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
Raaven:well then you shouldve started at the source of the problem |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by IGpro1(m): 9:32pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
jln115:try and Resist the Urge to SHALAYE" ..we happy to have the Jf-17. If you don't like em, tell escom to help you with one transformer to cuddle. 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:32pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
IGpro1:who are you again? 1 Like |
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