alphaNomega:
The duration of mineral oil use does not matter. You shouldn't have used engine flush, synthetic oil would gradually take out all and any sludge in the engine as long as you change the oil regularly (i.e. every 5000 miles unless otherwise specified by the car manufacturer)

I used to be worried about switching from 20w50 to 5w-x, not any more. One of my major concerns was the cost of synthetic oi, but considering the time and money spent due to engine failure from 20w-50 use, it is worth it

You are correct but I have been using 20w50 on cars that requires synthetic oil and it was for 3000 miles or 3 months and it worked perfectly and we also put a service sticker on the car. I saw that a lot of the customers adhered to the regime of 3000 miles but there was no protection against sludge and after 3 days or less, you will find sludge on the oil cover. For it to be there, it means that it has accumulated inside the engine. So a lot of people are not aware that the 20w50 does not have sludge protection and the oil strainer gets blocked, and the oil pump is finding it difficult to flow easily and coupled with cheap oil filter( no one who uses mineral oil will never buy filters above N1500) and so these factors produces the sludge. Not every synthetic oil can eliminate sludge, instead the sludge dries up the oil and you will be hearing the old news of 2rz engine having an engine defect. The reason for this thread is to help us to reduce the ugly acronym that Nigeria is the last bus stop for every car that made a mistake to follow the ship on a cruise sailing to Africa and ended up in Nigeria.

sooperrescue:


Maybe the corona phase 2 is affecting you.

quoting me again without answering or saying anything reasonable
@ sooperrescue the Engine oil seller kazem

Am sorry for those who instead to explore about their car come here to take unrecommended advise from a carpenter

If not for me, topic was dead, I will always come back to debunk any unrecommended advise

REMEMBER SAY MY TIME NA MONEY
CHEERS

alphaNomega:
The duration of mineral oil use does not matter. You shouldn't have used engine flush, synthetic oil would gradually take out all and any sludge in the engine as long as you change the oil regularly (i.e. every 5000 miles unless otherwise specified by the car manufacturer)

I used to be worried about switching from 20w50 to 5w-x, not any more. One of my major concerns was the cost of synthetic oi, but considering the time and money spent due to engine failure from 20w-50 use, it is worth it

tell that carpenter selling engine oil behind his keyboard with free Airtel opera-mini daily data =@sooperrescue

Considering the fact we don't have winter weather in Nigeria ( +22 above) , NO need to use a low end cold weather engine oil 0w , 5w
E.g -30<----5w30---->+35 & -35<----5w30---->+35

Remember it is just a 5w engine oil with artificial detergents (viscosity improver) so it go thicker as temperature increases, so what happened when the detergent is affected ? You end up with a 5w engine oil in northern Nigeria , as as u cover more miles viscosity deprecate with other detergent too

So with the above ideology I think @sooperrescue should concentrate in importing synthetic monograde sea 30 engine oils for 5w30 cars because it is already 30 weight engine oil with protection detergent anti-wear , anti-rust etc (with less or no viscosity improver via it already a 30 weight oil) for better engine protection
Even if protection detergents are less , you still have a 30 weight engine oil

E.g -10<-----sea 30------>+35 (9ja +22 to +47 temp)

Remember even a 0w30 in a can under +35 degree temps is already a sea 30 engine oil

So stop waisting artificial viscosity improver detergents made for cold and snow environment unnecessarily , my 9ja recommended engine oil fans

Just look for a sea 30 monograde engine oil with proper API RATING for your equipment

What is the API RATING for sea 30 monograde engine oil found in most gas stations in DRUMS especially TOTAL ?

Where can I get a synthetic sea 30 engine oil?

Oil vs ambient temperature

Read what Castrol engine oil said about monograde engine oil

https://www.castrol.com/en_us/united-states/home/motor-oil-and-fluids/engine-oils/motor-engine-oil-types/monograde.html

How do I get the Castrol hd sea 30 engine oil?

sooperrescue:

You are correct but I have been using 20w50 on cars that requires synthetic oil and it was for 3000 miles or 3 months and it worked perfectly and we also put a service sticker on the car. I saw that a lot of the customers adhered to the regime of 3000 miles but there was no protection against sludge and after 3 days or less, you will find sludge on the oil cover. For it to be there, it means that it has accumulated inside the engine. So a lot of people are not aware that the 20w50 does not have sludge protection and the oil strainer gets blocked, and the oil pump is finding it difficult to flow easily and coupled with cheap oil filter( no one who uses mineral oil will never buy filters above N1500) and so these factors produces the sludge. Not every synthetic oil can eliminate sludge, instead the sludge dries up the oil and you will be hearing the old news of 2rz engine having an engine defect. The reason for this thread is to help us to reduce the ugly acronym that Nigeria is the last bus stop for every car that made a mistake to follow the ship on a cruise sailing to Africa and ended up in Nigeria.

How does oil filter affect sludge in an engine?

Please I am currently reviewing Favoil Engine Oil. I want to do free oil change for any Toyota that is losing oil and with little sludge. We are testing the 5w30 variant of the oil. First 5 interested motorists with any brand of Toyota that is shorting oil should please send me an SMS on 08098534267. You will provide the air and oil filters and we will supply the engine oil. The review of the oil will determine the suitability of the oil for your car and get rid of those expensive Oil

alphaNomega:
How does oil filter affect sludge in an engine?

Oil filter, like the name implies is designed to filter the oil circulating the engine and maintain a debris free engine. Everytime you start your car, there's an explosion between the spark plugs and the fuel and once it ignites, the car starts and at some point, the oil flows and dumps the dirt into the filter. There are filters that are long interval and there are those we term 3rd party insurance. Using such filters and mineral oil is a recipe for disaster.

sooperrescue:

Great info for all Peugeot owners. Have you seen the 0w20 variant from Total and what is the vehicles that it is recommended for?

I haven't seen the Total 0w20, yet. However, I do know no modern Peugeot petrol engine is recommended by Peugeot to use 0w20 oil grade. So I would advise any Peugeot user to stay clear of any 0w20 oil, no matter the oil brand.

Lion King - Monk.

sooperrescue:
If I may recall, the new 508 and 3008 turbo boost, the oil that is recommended for both cars by Peugeot is Total Activa, so ineos can not be the oil solution for Peugeot.

That's not correct. You do understand I specialise in Peugeot? I don't do theories or hearsay when it comes to Peugeot.

I can understand you don't understand Peugeot at all, including their recommendations and practicality (online opinions and offline experiences from users/repairers).

Lion King - Monk.

timenamoney:
Oil vs ambient temperature

Any Peugeot user (newest Lions) that follow your advice or the table you posted, will doom his/her lion engine. You need to be specific and not generalize. And you also need to update your knowledge on newer engine oils.

5w-30 of 10 or 15 years ago is not the same with recently introduced 5w-30. Oil technology has changed over time, including Engines. And oil tables/graphs of 30 or 15 years ago donnot apply on newer engines launched or introduced yesterday or recently, at least, as far PSA engines are concerned.

Total Quartz INEO HTC 5w-30 also serve as 5w-50/60 on specific Peugeot engines, which has been proven after various test carried out practically (offline) to disprove or confirm the claim.

So many wrong information on engine oils are being passed/shared on Nairaland (Car Talk) by some "Experts", encouraging people to keep ruining their engines/vehicles. There is nothing wrong if you can't afford recommended oils for your vehicle engines and transmissions, if they are too expensive for you. But rationalising it to justify why the abuse is good is what I have observed from this Car Talk from people I expected to know better.

Hundreds, if not thousands of used engines and transmissions are imported into Nigeria weekly (tokunbo). And the number keeps increasing weekly as demand keep increasing, considering how many Nigerians replace their engines and auto Gearboxes daily. As if that's not enough, people are here encouraging the cause, in the name of oil experts. Oil is not the only thing that kill engines or/and transmissions in Nigeria, but is the major contributor, followed by abused cooling systems, etc.

If you want to keep ruining your engines, it's not my responsibility to stop you. If you prefer otherwise, find out what your vehicle manufacturer says about it, including the updated recommendations from them, as new oils are introduced by oil manufacturers. Car manufacturers are not absolute right in everything in their vehicles. But they have better "experts", equipments and tools to understand what works best in their engines than you spewing opinions as an authority.

Lion King - Monk.

Ikenna351:


That's not correct. You do understand I specialise in Peugeot? I don't do theories or hearsay when it comes to Peugeot.

I can understand you don't understand Peugeot at all, including their recommendations and practicality (online opinions and offline experiences from users/repairers).

Lion King - Monk.

Lion king, good evening. This your new love for Ineos is outstanding. If I have the time, I will look for your post where you condemned the oils that Total currently sells. Peugeot 3008 recommended oil is Total activa, ditto the 508, I used to go to Oluwalogbon motors in Alausa and when I asked them where to find the oil, they said that the car must be brought to the dealership before the oil can be used. Google the oil requirements for the Peugeot 3008 and tell us if it is the same with Ineos. Mobil 1 esp has a higher recommendation than the Ineos and if you claim that you have not seen the 0w20 variant of Total, go to their Abuja office or come to Total at Sheraton and you will get it there.

I still but wonder how u guys find it hard to use Google to get d recommended oil grade for your car than to depend on som1. FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS WRITTEN ON YOUR CAR'S MANUAL OOOO. STOP WASTING MONEY.
Some of us still rev a car seconds after starting ur car, dat is one major fact to cause wear n tear of rings.Our temperature is a big factor in Nigeria.Read ! Read!! Read!!!

Ikenna351:


Any Peugeot user (newest Lions) that follow your advice or the table you posted, will doom his/her lion engine. You need to be specific and not generalize. And you also need to update your knowledge on newer engine oils.

5w-30 of 10 or 15 years ago is not the same with recently introduced 5w-30. Oil technology has changed over time, including Engines. And oil tables/graph of 30 or 15 years ago doesn't apply on newer engines launched or introduced yesterday or recently, at least, as far PSA engines are concerned.

Total Quartz INEO HTC 5w-30 also serve as 5w-50/60 on specific Peugeot engines, which has been proven after various test carried out practically (offline) to disprove or confirm the claim.

So many wrong information on engine oils are being passed/shared on Nairaland (Car Talk) by some "Experts", encouraging people to keep ruining their engines/vehicles. There is nothing wrong if you can't afford recommended oils for your vehicle engines and transmissions, if they are too expensive for you. But rationalising it to justify why the abuse is good is what I have observed from this Car Talk from people I expected to know better.

Hundreds, if not thousands of used engines and transmissions are imported into Nigeria weekly (tokunbo). And the number keeps increasing weekly as demand keep increasing, considering how many Nigerians replace their engines and auto Gearboxes daily. As if that's not enough, people are here encouraging the cause, in the name of oil experts. Oil is not the only thing that kill engines or/and transmissions in Nigeria, but is the major contributor, followed by abused cooling systems, etc.

If you want to keep ruining your engines, it's not my responsibility to stop you. If you prefer otherwise, find out what your vehicle manufacturer says about it, including the updated recommendations from them, as new oils are introduced by oil manufacturers. Car manufacturers are not absolute right in everything in their vehicles. But they have better "experts" and tools to understand what works best in their engines.

Lion King - Monk.

are we in a Peugeot chat room?

Total Quartz INEO HTC 5w-30 is produced for environments that experience winter and snow which we don't have in Nigeria and is totally unnecessary, if every country have Nigeria climate, oil manufacturers who understands oil viscosity and ambient temperature will only produce SEA 30 for cars that requires 5w30 despite the API RATING, .

I don't run peogeot , but if I have one , I will choose the oil to use by simply looking at the manufacturer oil charts for my ambient temperature rating , before checking API RATING , not the preferred whatsoever written on oil cap except it correspond with my ambient temperature

Toyota Camry
-10------sea 30----->+temps , Nigeria is +22 low time , -35---5w30--+temps is unnecessary in 9ja

REMEMBER it just a 5 weight engine oil with artificial addictives (viscosity improver ) to make it increase viscosity when temperature increases and withstand temps , as a automobile dud who know how things works practically ,I Will rather use a SEA 30 monograde engine oil OF proper API RATING for the equipment if available , because SEA 30 monograde engine oil is already a 30 weight ( which is more stable than 5w oil with addictive for 30 at high temp , sea 30 has more base oil ) with protection addictives and can withstand more in warm , hot climate even when loosing addictives than a 5weight-30 oil when loosing addictives ( viscosity improver) that can make it run as a 5w30 at the upper end 30

I have never have issue with any of my cars engine or transmission for 25 years of driving with experience

I don't believe in Engine oil backwards compatible all time, except I go through detergent used for the engine oil , because older engines needs some oil that contains more addictive that can effect modern engines of today e.g carterlyst etc , if u use modern engine oil that lack those particular addictive in older engines oil that older engines needs , reverse (damages) maybe the case , that why we engine oil upgrade e.g API SN , SN PLUS

See what Castrol said about monograde engine oil advantage over multi viscosity oil
https://www.castrol.com/en_us/united-states/home/motor-oil-and-fluids/engine-oils/motor-engine-oil-types/monograde.html

dollarnaira:
I still but wonder how u guys find it hard to use Google to get d recommended oil grade for your car than to depend on som1. FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS WRITTEN ON YOUR CAR'S MANUAL OOOO. STOP WASTING MONEY.
Some of us still rev a car seconds after starting ur car, dat is one major fact to cause wear n tear of rings.Our temperature is a big factor in Nigeria.Read ! Read!! Read!!!

my Toyota Camry manual says 5w30 is not suitable for high speed driving , towing, stress and loads but it's the recommended engine oil (so what happens if u run interstate or taxi transportation with loads ?) , so what should be used , a 30 ?= NOOO , a = 40weight right ? YES, for better protection , but 30 weight is preferred for low speed driving for feul economy too RIGHT? and the arrow pointing the 30W----+38 degree ambient temp for that API rating , who's deceiving who? Manufacturers never recommended one engine oil viscosity(EXCEPT FOR YOUR CAR) and it better to be in the safer side , you don't need to spend money or benefits any cold start protection from 5w30 when living in warm climate of +22 above like Nigeria, because 5w30 is already an artificial 30 weight engine oil when exposed to 30degree ambient temperature even in a sealed can , sea 30 monograde will be more STABLE AND RELIABLE because it has more BASE OIL of 30weight with added addictive for PROTECTIONS than 5WEIGHT oil with addictives to increase viscosity to 30w in high temp and can also be affected by higher temp more, then it starts loosing viscosity( CURSING MORE ENGINE WEAR ) than a monograde sea 30 of proper API RATING , EVEN IF IT IS LOOSING PROTECTION ADDICTIVES , which I have used with great, good used oil analysis (uoa) in my company CARS and EQUIPMENTS. -10<------SEA30--->+38
if someone can import a monograde SEA30 API SJ , SL , SM , SM , I WILL GLADLY BUY IT FOR MY EQUIPMENTS
CHEERS
TIME NA MONEY

See what Castrol said about monograde engine oil advantage over multi viscosity oil
https://www.castrol.com/en_us/united-states/home/motor-oil-and-fluids/engine-oils/motor-engine-oil-types/monograde.html

sooperrescue:


Lion king, good evening. This your new love for Ineos is outstanding. If I have the time, I will look for your post where you condemned the oils that Total currently sells. Peugeot 3008 recommended oil is Total activa, ditto the 508, I used to go to Oluwalogbon motors in Alausa and when I asked them where to find the oil, they said that the car must be brought to the dealership before the oil can be used. Google the oil requirements for the Peugeot 3008 and tell us if it is the same with Ineos. Mobil 1 esp has a higher recommendation than the Ineos and if you claim that you have not seen the 0w20 variant of Total, go to their Abuja office or come to Total at Sheraton and you will get it there.

Like I said earlier, you are not a Peugeot expert/specialist or understand Peugeot systems and their fluid recommendations. All you needed to do was listen to a Peugeot expert (Me) educating you rather than argue what you don't understand.

This is the Peugeot 3008 you claimed is not recommended for INEO HTC 5w-30, unless you want also want to tell me Nigeria is hotter and dustier than Middle East.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_MWu-dtRfM

Attached below are service schedules from Peugeot (PSA) for Peugeot 508, 3008 and other lions with THP engines in Nigeria you claimed are not recommended for Total Quartz INEO HTC 5w-30.

If you are interested, you can contact me off the forum via WhatsApp to educate you on PSA fluid recommendations (I have your WhatsApp line already).

Lion king - Monk.

sooperrescue:
Please I am currently reviewing Favoil Engine Oil. I want to do free oil change for any Toyota that is losing oil and with little sludge. We are testing the 5w30 variant of the oil. First 5 interested motorists with any brand of Toyota that is shorting oil should please send me an SMS on 08098534267. You will provide the air and oil filters and we will supply the engine oil. The review of the oil will determine the suitability of the oil for your car and get rid of those expensive Oil

I can see you are addicted to engine flush products , and like experimenting with customers car engines , maybe because the customer you knocked his engine with engine flush at your Abuja kazeem outlet didn't ask u to pay , maybe one day you will meet your March and DOOM ,

MANUFACTURERS DO NOT RECOMMEND ENGINE FLUSH

if I have a kazeem outlet like you , I will advise customers to do shorter oil change to remove sludge OR with engine oil that have more cleaning ADDICTIVES , e.g SEMI SYNTHETIC BEFORE GOING SYNTHETIC

U ARE SO UNRECOMMENDED and I pity those who will fall victim to your junkyard kazeem ideas

Remember to check PERSONAL CRANCASE VENTILATION VALVE ( PCV)of the engines before you proceed , because it's responsible for engine ventilation ,if it's not sucking heat and blow-by from the engine , oil temps increase and start burning and pressure can start damaging engine oil seals

Try posting the API RATING of the engines oil so that customers can see if it's compatible with their cars

REMEMBER this engine oil is a FULLY SYNTHETIC OIL with more cleaning ADDICTIVES that can do the job, but can harm the engine if there's too much sludge , using unrecommended aftermarket flush before using FULLY SYNTHETIC won't produce cleaning results, because the engine maybe already cleaned , so why will you want to over clean a customer engine

Pls note: A 5000 miles old customer's dirty oil will not be best option to put those flush, used half of it if you insist , to reduce damaging another engine

Timenamoney the automobile lord

timenamoney:
I can see you are addicted to engine flush products , and like experimenting with customers car engines , maybe because the customer you knocked his engine with engine flush at your Abuja kazeem outlet didn't ask u to pay , maybe one day you will meet your March and DOOM ,

MANUFACTURERS DO NOT RECOMMEND ENGINE FLUSH

if I have a kazeem outlet like you , I will advise customers to do shorter oil change to remove sludge OR with engine oil that have more cleaning ADDICTIVES , e.g SEMI SYNTHETIC BEFORE GOING SYNTHETIC

U ARE SO UNRECOMMENDED and I pity those who will fall victim to your junkyard kazeem ideas

Remember to check PERSONAL CRANCASE VENTILATION VALVE ( PCV)of the engines before you proceed , because it's responsible for engine ventilation ,if it's not sucking heat and blow-by from the engine , oil temps increase and start burning and pressure can start damaging engine oil seals

Try posting the API RATING of the engines oil so that customers can see if it's compatible with their cars

REMEMBER this engine oil is a FULLY SYNTHETIC OIL with more cleaning ADDICTIVES that can do the job, but can harm the engine if there's too much sludge , using unrecommended aftermarket flush before using FULLY SYNTHETIC won't produce cleaning results, because the engine maybe already cleaned , so why will you want to over clean a customer engine

Pls note: A 5000 miles old customer's dirty oil will not be best option to put those flush, used half of it if you insist , to reduce damaging another engine

Timenamoney the automobile lord

Thanks for your advice.

Ikenna351:


Like I said earlier, you are not a Peugeot expert/specialist or understand Peugeot systems and their fluid recommendations. All you needed to do was listen to a Peugeot expert (Me) educating you rather than argue what you don't understand.

This is the Peugeot 3008 you claimed is not recommended for INEO HTC 5w-30, unless you want also want to tell me Nigeria is hotter and dustier than Middle East.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_MWu-dtRfM

Attached below are service schedules from Peugeot (PSA) for Peugeot 508, 3008 and other lions with THP engines in Nigeria you claimed are not recommended for Total Quartz INEO HTC 5w-30.

If you are interested, you can contact me off the forum via WhatsApp to educate you on PSA fluid recommendations (I have your WhatsApp line already).

Lion king - Monk.

Thank you sir monk. But the oil that you are quoting is from the middle East. We have Total in Nigeria, I will suggest that you show us the video from Nigeria. I have told my secretary to read your posts on this thread where you condemned all the oils from Total stable just some years ago and you are now praising the ineos while Total is selling the Futures 0w20 in their outlets and you claimed that you are not aware of the oil. I have never claimed to be a Peugeot expert because it is hard to be one especially on a Peugeot

sooperrescue:
Please I am currently reviewing Favoil Engine Oil. I want to do free oil change for any Toyota that is losing oil and with little sludge. We are testing the 5w30 variant of the oil. First 5 interested motorists with any brand of Toyota that is shorting oil should please send me an SMS on 08098534267. You will provide the air and oil filters and we will supply the engine oil. The review of the oil will determine the suitability of the oil for your car and get rid of those expensive Oil

Toyota do not RECOMMEND using engine oils for petrol and Diesel engines, like favoil, for there engines , rather they recommend oils for petrol engines ONLY

Why do you have problems with manufacturers recommendations

ARE you addicted to damaging customers engines , stupid kaseem, take it easy

I think you are naturally wicked , because you have been randomly informed of the disadvantages , but you still insist just to put more money in your pocket and have more sales

sooperrescue:


Thanks for your advice.

practice the advice before thanking me

sooperrescue:

Thank you sir monk. But the oil that you are quoting is from the middle East. We have Total in Nigeria, I will suggest that you show us the video from Nigeria. I have told my secretary to read your posts on this thread where you condemned all the oils from Total stable just some years ago and you are now praising the ineos while Total is selling the Futures 0w20 in their outlets and you claimed that you are not aware of the oil. I have never claimed to be a Peugeot expert because it is hard to be one especially on a Peugeot

If that video and images I attached on that my posts are too hard for you to understand, then I honestly cannot level with you technically. For the information on that video and images concerning that oil, PSA engines and Nigeria are clearly stated on them in ABC (even the video clearly stated/showed Nigeria as one of the countries the oil is recommended for, for those PSA engines). Unless you suddenly considered Nigeria as the coldest country in the world. For gosh sake, the "HTC" on the oil stands for "High Temperature Countries". Maybe to you, Nigeria is hotter, dustier and hasher than deserts/middle East? Or to you, Nigeria weather is too cold and mild to use engine oil meant to handle hot weather, bad fuel and dusty environment?

Since I started breathing in this body and having memories, I have never set my eyes physically on any Total oil with 0w-20 label. Why is that a problem to you? If it exists in Lagos, does it mean it's here in Abuja city too and that I must have seen it and lying about it? Why don't you tell us where it exists in Total fuel stations in Abuja city? My average visit to Total fuel station weekly is once or twice and I haven't seen that oil or one caught my attention. And if even if they do exist here, it's meaningless to me, for no modern Peugeot petrol engine is recommended to use any 0w-20, irrespective of oil brand. So why should I care?

As for you saying I condemned all Total oils before, I am wondering if you are mistaken me for someone else or you have shown me the other side of you I didn't know was there. Majority of my haters on Car Talk do so because of my love and promotion of French cars (Peugeot) and French Oils (Total), because of their hatred for these 2 brands. And you are here saying the opposite (I was condemning what they hated me for?). You could as well claim I was condemning all Peugeot vehicles to sweeten your claim.

I recalled publishing that THP Peugeot engine users should avoid using Total Quartz INEO MC3 5w-30 in their engines, since Peugeot/PSA didn't recommend that oil for those THP engines. It's that what you considered as "Lion King was condemning Total INEO oils"? So to you, any oil with Total label can be used in Peugeot or is good for Peugeot? Total INEO is a series of about 15 different engine oils from Total, out of which only about 4 of them were approved by Peugeot/PSA to be used in their THP, EP6, VTi ,etc, engines. So my advice to people not to use these Total oils that are not recommended for
those Peugeot engines, meant to you that I was condemning Total oils? Or you meant my posts, articles, videos and my other publications where I strongly advised people not to use Total Quartz 5000 20w-50 in their modern PSA engines, meant to you I was condemning Total oils?

Like I said, I don't think I can level with you technically, especially on PSA vehicles. Moving on.

Lion King - Monk.

timenamoney:
Toyota do not RECOMMEND using engine oils for petrol and Diesel engines, like favoil, for there engines , rather they recommend oils for petrol engines ONLY

Why do you have problems with manufacturers recommendations

ARE you addicted to damaging customers engines , stupid kaseem, take it easy

I think you are naturally wicked , because you have been randomly informed of the disadvantages , but you still insist just to put more money in your pocket and have more sales

I didn't want to give audience to you because of your ill mannered approach to technical details. We are not in any competition neither did I start the topic you wanted to start. For your information, Total is petrol and diesel, Oando is Petrol and Diesel, Mobil 1 esp 5w30 and 0w40 are all petrol and diesel, Forte 5w30 is petrol and diesel. Hardex is 5w30 but is gasoline engine only and it dries. Micking is 5w30 gasoline engine only but it dries too. Favoil is an English engine oil and if it can stop oil shortage in cars and reduce the heat in an engine, good. A lot of people are using G life engine oil on a 3.5, 4.8 Toyota engines but they refused to read at the back of the gallon that G Life is suitable for Compact small engine and people are using it for a v8. I don't import engine oil neither do I sell. I once used a 20w50 Oil on my Range Rover Sport and the engine almost died because the oil was too heavy for the engine. In fact the engine never recovered from the wahala. Sludge is a major problem affecting a lot of cars using mineral oil and these oils does not have sludge protection. Whenever an engine clatters, the major problem is because of the use of wrong oil. When an engine oil mixes with water, the oil cooler could not handle the wrong use of the oil and so it goes awry. The essence of the thread of which you are free to contribute the awesome knowledge that you have read, is to educate motorists to consider the people who will buy the car after they have misused the car and listen to the manufacturer. No nigerian oil marketing company is selling the oil meant for Toyota, not now and not in the future because Toyota Camry 07 has no oil that the manufacturer has recommended for the car. Experience should be your best teacher and not knowledge.

Ikenna351:


If that video and images I attached on that my posts are too hard for you to understand, then I honestly cannot level with you technically. For the information on that video and images concerning that oil, PSA engines and Nigeria are clearly stated on them in ABC (even the video clearly stated/showed Nigeria as one of the countries the oil is recommended for, for those PSA engines). Unless you suddenly considered Nigeria as the coldest country in the world. For gosh sake, the "HTC" on the oil stands for "High Temperature Countries". Maybe to you, Nigeria is hotter, dustier and hasher than deserts/middle East? Or to you, Nigeria weather is too cold and mild to use engine oil meant to handle hot weather, bad fuel and dusty environment?

Since I started breathing in this body and having memories, I have never set my eyes physically on any Total oil with 0w-20 label. Why is that a problem to you? If it exists in Lagos, does it mean it's here in Abuja city too and that I must have seen it and lying about it? Why don't you tell us where it exists in Total fuel stations in Abuja city? My average visit to Total fuel station weekly is once or twice and I haven't seen that oil or one caught my attention. And if even if they do exist here, it's meaningless to me, for no modern Peugeot petrol engine is recommended to use any 0w-20, irrespective of oil brand. So why should I care?

As for you saying I condemned all Total oils before, I am wondering if you are mistaken me for someone else or you have shown me the other side of you I didn't know was there. Majority of my haters on Car Talk do so because of my love and promotion of French cars (Peugeot) and French Oils (Total), because of their hatred for these 2 brands. And you are here saying the opposite (I was condemning what they hated me for?). You could as well claim I was condemning all Peugeot vehicles to sweeten your claim.

I recalled publishing that THP Peugeot engine users should avoid using Total Quartz INEO MC3 5w-30 in their engines, since Peugeot/PSA didn't recommend that oil for those THP engines. It's that what you considered as "Lion King was condemning Total INEO oils"? So to you, any oil with Total label can be used in Peugeot or is good for Peugeot? Total INEO is a series of about 15 different engine oils from Total, out of which only about 4 of them were approved by Peugeot/PSA to be used in their THP, EP6, VTi ,etc, engines. So my advice to people not to use these Total oils that are not recommended for
those Peugeot engines, meant to you that I was condemning Total oils? Or you meant my posts, articles, videos and my other publications where I strongly advised people not to use Total Quartz 5000 20w-50 in their modern PSA engines, meant to you I was condemning Total oils?

Like I said, I don't think I can level with you technically, especially on PSA vehicles. Moving on.

Lion King - Monk.

Thanks for your time. Is the advanced synthetic oil of the HTC that you quoted in the service chart, the same as the synthetic technology that your pictures showed that was available in Abuja? You are in contact with the Total specialties manager. Please ask him for the Futures 0w20 if it exists here and for which vehicles.

sooperrescue:

I didn't want to give audience to you because of your ill mannered approach to technical details. We are not in any competition neither did I start the topic you wanted to start. For your information, Total is petrol and diesel, Oando is Petrol and Diesel, Mobil 1 esp 5w30 and 0w40 are all petrol and diesel, Forte 5w30 is petrol and diesel. Hardex is 5w30 but is gasoline engine only and it dries. Micking is 5w30 gasoline engine only but it dries too. Favoil is an English engine oil and if it can stop oil shortage in cars and reduce the heat in an engine, good. A lot of people are using G life engine oil on a 3.5, 4.8 Toyota engines but they refused to read at the back of the gallon that G Life is suitable for Compact small engine and people are using it for a v8. I don't import engine oil neither do I sell. I once used a 20w50 Oil on my Range Rover Sport and the engine almost died because the oil was too heavy for the engine. In fact the engine never recovered from the wahala. Sludge is a major problem affecting a lot of cars using mineral oil and these oils does not have sludge protection. Whenever an engine clatters, the major problem is because of the use of wrong oil. When an engine oil mixes with water, the oil cooler could not handle the wrong use of the oil and so it goes awry. The essence of the thread of which you are free to contribute the awesome knowledge that you have read, is to educate motorists to consider the people who will buy the car after they have misused the car and listen to the manufacturer. No nigerian oil marketing company is selling the oil meant for Toyota, not now and not in the future because Toyota Camry 07 has no oil that the manufacturer has recommended for the car. Experience should be your best teacher and not knowledge.

water Don pass gari , gari Don come form soft like say em soft

He is debunking your wrongful recommendations but he's a little bit harsh , car talk war

sooperrescue:

I didn't want to give audience to you because of your ill mannered approach to technical details. We are not in any competition neither did I start the topic you wanted to start. For your information, Total is petrol and diesel, Oando is Petrol and Diesel, Mobil 1 esp 5w30 and 0w40 are all petrol and diesel, Forte 5w30 is petrol and diesel. Hardex is 5w30 but is gasoline engine only and it dries. Micking is 5w30 gasoline engine only but it dries too. Favoil is an English engine oil and if it can stop oil shortage in cars and reduce the heat in an engine, good. A lot of people are using G life engine oil on a 3.5, 4.8 Toyota engines but they refused to read at the back of the gallon that G Life is suitable for Compact small engine and people are using it for a v8. I don't import engine oil neither do I sell. I once used a 20w50 Oil on my Range Rover Sport and the engine almost died because the oil was too heavy for the engine. In fact the engine never recovered from the wahala. Sludge is a major problem affecting a lot of cars using mineral oil and these oils does not have sludge protection. Whenever an engine clatters, the major problem is because of the use of wrong oil. When an engine oil mixes with water, the oil cooler could not handle the wrong use of the oil and so it goes awry. The essence of the thread of which you are free to contribute the awesome knowledge that you have read, is to educate motorists to consider the people who will buy the car after they have misused the car and listen to the manufacturer. No nigerian oil marketing company is selling the oil meant for Toyota, not now and not in the future because Toyota Camry 07 has no oil that the manufacturer has recommended for the car. Experience should be your best teacher and not knowledge.

who needs your audience? , when the audience are just reading and leaning the truth

You never answered any of my technical questions to your unrecommended recommendations , so I think you're not technically inclined

U are the one that is I'll mannered , when u are busy quoting DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN when am giving a recommended advise , as if you know me In person or know more than me , but at last you're the one having fraudulent complains in the trend by nairaland users

There are engine oils in Nigeria that clearly says FOR PETROL ENGINE and that's what Toyota normally recommend , so stop the dancing around

Am not in any competition with you , am only paying attention to your unrecommended advise that may harm nairalanders engines

We disagree to agree

Cheers anyway

timenamoney:
who needs your audience? , when the audience are just reading and leaning the truth

You never answered any of my technical questions to your unrecommended recommendations , so I think you're not technically inclined

U are the one that is I'll mannered , when u are busy quoting DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN when am giving a recommended advise , as if you know me In person or know more than me , but at last you're the one having fraudulent complains in the trend by nairaland users

There are engine oils in Nigeria that clearly says FOR PETROL ENGINE and that's what Toyota normally recommend , so stop the dancing around

Am not in any competition with you , am only paying attention to your unrecommended advise that may harm nairalanders engines

We disagree to agree

Cheers anyway

oh, so because of that statement of don't listen to this man, you started your tirade. Why don't you go back to the original statement and read if I was the one that made the statement. And there is nothing like wrong recomendations. Car manufacturers never envisaged that a lot of people will ignore their simple recommendations of the use of the oil. The engine flush works very well and it has not been banned in the USA because it was made there for their cars. If there are oils sold locally that suits Toyota and Honda requirements, let us know.

Can d owner of this thread close it once and for all?

All i noticed here is, condemn one oil to sell another oil.
Thread summary.

My car is old ooo but i make use of mineral oil forte oil 20w..... The shocking part of my life is dat d engine sound keeps improving after 3yrs of continuous use bc my manual says so.

dollarnaira:
Can d owner of this thread close it once and for all?

All i noticed here is, condemn one oil to sell another oil.
Thread summary.

My car is old ooo but i make use of mineral oil forte oil 20w..... The shocking part of my life is dat d engine sound keeps improving after 3yrs of continuous use bc my manual says so.

Okay. There was a time when we complained that Cars45 were selling junk cars to the public and I was wondering if they were the manufacturer of the junk cars. We have oil marketing companies in the country who are selling oil for our cars, cars majorly imported from the USA and it behoves on these companies to produce oils suitable for these cars. In the 90s, it was the European cars that were in vogue but from 2002 when the Americans decided to make Nigeria their hub, our motor industry has enveloped into something else. All those guys fixing Peugeot are now experts in other brands except The Lion King. A common comparison is the yellow taxi in Lagos who are still waiting in their taxi stand for passengers while everyone is using Uber to come and pick them up. The Taxi drivers are not aware that time has passed them by. So the question is this, why are the oil marketing companies still selling outdated oils to us when they know that the oil that they import to sell locally is not good for the current crop of cars from the USA. Like the Lion King stated, engines and gearboxes are being imported daily into ladipo because the market is booming. Why do engines fail here? The use of wrong oil is the only reason. Overheating in cars is also caused by the oil because the oil is supposed to be a coolant that removes heat from the engine and if you claim that your Forte oil makes your engine quieter, good luck to you. A lot of people are using their cars without thermostat and the fan running always, the engine will never get to the normal operating temperature and when you look at those engines, they are awaiting results of when a mechanic and the parts seller will renew their friendship by the purchase of a used Engine. I have seen scenarios of when a range rover engine goes bad, and the engine is over 3m, the owner sells it off as scrap. As for the oil as per your manual, continue with it because it is good to follow the instructions of the manufacturer. Final question, if Toyota says that you should use 0w20 for the car, where will you get the oil among our local oil marketing companies?

timenamoney:
DID THE CAR MANUFACTURERS RECOMMEND ENGINE FLUSH? MR EXPERT , that why you knocked someone engine at your outlet in Abuja

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sooperrescue:


Okay. There was a time when we complained that Cars45 were selling junk cars to the public and I was wondering if they were the manufacturer of the junk cars. We have oil marketing companies in the country who are selling oil for our cars, cars majorly imported from the USA and it behoves on these companies to produce oils suitable for these cars. In the 90s, it was the European cars that were in vogue but from 2002 when the Americans decided to make Nigeria their hub, our motor industry has enveloped into something else. All those guys fixing Peugeot are now experts in other brands except The Lion King. A common comparison is the yellow taxi in Lagos who are still waiting in their taxi stand for passengers while everyone is using Uber to come and pick them up. The Taxi drivers are not aware that time has passed them by. So the question is this, why are the oil marketing companies still selling outdated oils to us when they know that the oil that they import to sell locally is not good for the current crop of cars from the USA. Like the Lion King stated, engines and gearboxes are being imported daily into ladipo because the market is booming. Why do engines fail here? The use of wrong oil is the only reason. Overheating in cars is also caused by the oil because the oil is supposed to be a coolant that removes heat from the engine and if you claim that your Forte oil makes your engine quieter, good luck to you. A lot of people are using their cars without thermostat and the fan running always, the engine will never get to the normal operating temperature and when you look at those engines, they are awaiting results of when a mechanic and the parts seller will renew their friendship by the purchase of a used Engine. I have seen scenarios of when a range rover engine goes bad, and the engine is over 3m, the owner sells it off as scrap. As for the oil as per your manual, continue with it because it is good to follow the instructions of the manufacturer. Final question, if Toyota says that you should use 0w20 for the car, where will you get the oil among our local oil marketing companies?

Please Sir what do have to say about Prime Guild Motor Oil? They have full synthetic and blend synthetic of 5w 30. According to them it is a US oil with the same standard with Mobile 1. 5w 30. You did not mention it at all I'm your Review. Please I need your opinion.