Christistruth00:


Are you still dragging Lagos Aworiland, Ijebuland and Egbaland with Yorubas or have you Surrendered?

Christistruth00:


Gen Ogendegbe and Ekitiparapo Army entered into Benin to take it.

It was the desperate pleading and appeasement of Ogendegbe by the Oba of Benin that stopped Ogendegbe and the Ekitiparapo Army from taking over Benin.

But Ogendegbe still took many places in Edoland.

That is why till today Edos still bear the Surname Ogendegbe.

gregyboy:




How do you expect you to know the history of a particular people more than the people who own the history,

You're neither from ife, or benin but yet you still defend an history that does not concern your people

All because of cultural tag Yoruba


All you have is some tribal ego leading you

People like you are the one spreading conspiracy because anyway the conspiracy goes it wont be affecting your people

Westtimeline:
Go to your palace, your oba has the answer for you.

nocomment3:

One must say, you guys are never short of lies and are certainly shameless, no matter how many times you are caught telling lies, you just continue.
Your current lie is obvious and ridiculous, but perharps it will work with your yorubacentric and illeducated and delusional yoruba fellows.

jneutron4000:
[s][/s]

gregyboy:




We have many Yoruba migrant in Benin having different yoruba names idowu, ojo Ogendegbe

And co but because some edo bear Ogendegbe doesn't meaning

Because Ogendegbe raided some part of edo


Which can't be proven

Ogendegbe story in edo is a myth

gregyboy:


Because the actual benin population wasnt littered everywhere like corkroach

Westtimeline:
The way you Benin people package una lies ehn, if not that others knows thier history and origin, you would have claimed so many land in Africa and the world at large.

gregyboy:



Over confidence is worrying you, my friend, not that you're even from lagos, all because youre from oshogbo and oshogbo is culturally yoruba so you feel youre entitled to speak for Eko


You're mad

nocomment3:
Please watch this short video till the end:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYQkBccEqJM

It explains what litteral translation is. Anybody whom has ever taken translation classes knows this, and obviously these yorubas don't

nocomment3:
An other lecture on translating:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg5wXDbA0WE

nocomment3:

I show a map drawn by an eye-witness, you tell me i am telling a lie.
I show a text written by an eye-witness, you tell me again that I am telling a lie.
I provided the sources for the precolonial maps and for the precolonial texts.
You debate my current language (french) with me.

How can i be telling a lie if I am only bringing forward things written by eye witnesses ?
You hate the truth and will never accept it. By the way your tribe is well known for telling lies and you guys proved your reputation right. Don't reverse roles.

gregyboy:



I will forgive you for not starting from page one of the thread and just jumped to anyone comment that appealed to your ego


Eko= is a military camp

Ame =water

Eko nua - amen =a military camp inside the waters or ocean

gregyboy:

nocomment3:

I show a map drawn by an eye-witness, you tell me i am telling a lie.
I show a text written by an eye-witness, you tell me again that I am telling a lie.
I provided the sources for the precolonial maps and for the precolonial texts.
You debate my current language (french) with me, eventhough you know nothing about french or even about translating in general.

How can i be telling a lie if I am only bringing forward things written by eye witnesses ?
You hate the truth and will never accept it. By the way your tribe is well known for telling lies and you guys proved your reputation right. Don't reverse roles.
It is 1 O clack, I amtired discussing with delusional yoruba, i have maths to do, i am late enough as it is.

Christistruth00:


Gen Ogendegbe and Ekitiparapo Army entered into Benin to take it.

It was the desperate pleading and appeasement of Ogendegbe by the Oba of Benin that stopped Ogendegbe and the Ekitiparapo Army from taking over Benin.

But Ogendegbe still took many places in Edoland.

That is why till today Edos still bear the Surname Ogendegbe.

TimeManager:

From Ekoname to Ekonihamen All in a bid to sound Eko ish
I've told you to stay one place so that thunder will be able to locate you. Liars attract thunder.

kiss the truth!

forgiveness:
I never heard this before. Is it true? Anything to back it up?

TimeManager:

The fact that your forefathers arrived Lagos to trade doesn't give you the right to claim another man's land. How could strangers claim the land of indigenes that accepted them. Your not only landgrabbers but Thieves. Even your oba of benin dare not claim lagos.

kiss the truth!

gregyboy:


You're just a troll

TimeManager:

How many nights and days did your forefathers spend in the bushes on their way to Lagos 6months, 9months or 1yr?
your forefathers arrived Lagos, Lagos sweet their belle after mosquitoes don bite their scrotum inside bushes

kiss the truth!

TAO11:
The attached are pages from R. E. Bradbury’s “Benin Kingdom and the Edo-Speaking People’s of South-Western Nigeria”, 1957

These are some of the information collected by Dr. R. E. Bradbury from the Edos themselves during his ethnographic survey of Benin Kingdom as part of a larger series on an ethnographic survey of Africa.

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gregyboy:



I will forgive you for not starting from page one of the thread and just jumped to anyone comment that appealed to your ego


Eko= is a military camp

Ame =water

Eko nua - amen =a military camp inside the waters or ocean

forgiveness:


Stop fooling yourself.

forgiveness:
that was just a fraction of Yoruba clan. Interesting.

Benin was just a kingdom after all.

gregyboy:


Trolling

TAO11:
The attached are pages from R. E. Bradbury’s “Benin Kingdom and the Edo-Speaking People’s of South-Western Nigeria”, 1957

These are some of the information collected from the Edos themselves by the late Dr. R. E. Bradbury during the course of his devotion of seven years of intensive anthropological fieldwork on Benin and the Edo-speaking people’s of Nigeria on which he was the outstanding authority.

The result of his Benin Kingdom survey also formed part of a larger work on the Ethnographic Survey of Africa.

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Tao11
Stop projecting your generational alcohol abuse on every stranger you meet.
To benefit optimally from these schoolings, you must be willing to read — with your eyes open, and your brain alert, and your mind sober.

(A) First of all, the original word you’ve translated here as “ refer to ” should actually have been translated as “designated ”.
As such, the statement will more correctly reads as follows:
“Captain Horsely rendered it as Eco*, and that is how it was designated by the Ijebus •••”
And this comes from the French original which actually reads:
“le capitaine Horseley nous l’a appelée Eco *, et c’est ainsi que la désignent les Ijebus”.
In other words, the text speaks here of a name-designation (i.e. coinage) rather than a mere
name-usage .
According to our French author, the Ijebus (not the Binis) designated the name (i.e. coined) /eko/ [obviously not from thin air as we should soon see].
Let that sink in for a moment.
••• Perfect

(B) Secondly, I find your pretense and double standard of “Eco” vs. “Eko ” to be particularly interesting and laughable.
I wish you had enthusiastically applied this same juvenile standard in insisting the text wasn’t referring to Benin kingdom where our French author had been using the spelling “ bÉnin”. Lol.
Or that the text wasn’t referring to the Ijebus where he had been using the spelling “ Yébous ”. Lol.
That’s a pretty laughably juvenile fear-induced moronic argument (if it qualifies as an argument in the first place). You should grow up and do better than that.
Having said that however, the French author did
NOT in the first place even say the following:
“ ••• and that is how it was spelt by the Ijebus[b]”[/b].
No!
According to our text, the Ijebus simply named ( NOT spelt); and Captain Horseley did his spelling based on whatever he had heard the Ijebus
pronounce .
This is identical to how our French author has spelt it as Eko; or how he has spelt Benin as bÉnin; or how our he has spelt Ijebu as yÉboÛ and also as yÉboU ; etc.
Now get out of your fears, your laughable and infantile straw just got snatched. The name /eko/ was (according to this French text) coined by the Ijebus [but not from thin air as we should soon see].

Yes! Between the Ijebus and the Binis , the Binis had the right to the island (on the basis of their earlier arrival) even though the Ijebus supplied the surviving name, Eko.
This is simply what this text says in the context of the passage in which it is found — that is, a comparison of the right to land between the Ijebus and the Binis .
This specific text says absolutely NOTHING about the aboriginal ownership of the island. This text simply makes a relative statement between the Ijebus and the Binis .
Moreover [ this is crucial ], our French author had already indicated from page 25 that the aboriginal ownership of the island belongs to an entirely different group — neither Ijebu nor Benin. So, get a grip!

First of all, the French original simply doesn’t translate (in any way at all) to your wording here.
The clear understanding from the French original is NOT that the Binis named (or designated) the island as “Korame”.
Rather, the French original of this specific section reads as follows:
“Bénin, qui lui applique le nom de Koráme”
And this translates in a faithful word-by-word rendering as follows:
“Benin, which applies the name Korame to it”.
It thus becomes clear that no where does this text say a thing about who in the first place namED (or designated) the island as “Korame” .
This specific text here simply indicate a name-usage by the Binis, and not a name-designation .
So, who had named it “Korame” in the first place?
To answer this question, there appears to be more than a clue in the text that follows immediately.

Lol. A far more meaningful and more comprehensible translation of the text reads as:
“••• the name Korame [which is] recognizably the
Curamo of the older Portuguese’s accounts •••”
Contrary to your endless yapping and pleading that iT iS jUsT a SiMplE cOmPaRisOn; it isn’t just a “simple comparison“ for the following reasons:
(1) The author clearly highlighted a clear link between these two words via his use of the word, “ reconnaître” — that is, “recognize”, “decode”, etc.
(2) The author makes it clear that the Portuguese rendering [“Curamo”] is the older version of these two.
In sum , since these two renderings are indicated to be one and the same thing — while the Portuguese’s rendering is said to be the older — it goes without saying then that the Binis’ rendering [“Korame”] is the descendant.
According to our author then, the Binis’ rendering ”Korame“ derives from the Portuguese’s “Curamo”.
This is about the most obvious deduction I would never have imagined myself having to explain.

Tao11
It has been demonstrated that the “Bénin” of our French text refers to Benin kingdom; and that “Ijebu” is what is intended with our author’s various spellings of “Yébou” and “Yéboû”.
It has also been noted (in this same light) that the
surviving local name of Lagos (i.e. Èkó ) [which our French author spells as “Eko”, and which Captain Horseley spells as “Eco”] is the designated name for the island, by the Ijebus.
And as our author further shows, this Ijebu coinage didn’t appear from thin air. It is certainly based (at least in part) on the Dutch “ Ichoo”.
———————
Furthermore to this French text, I have recently come to the deeper understanding that this surviving local name of Lagos (i.e. Èkó ) was based not wholly and exclusively on the Dutch “Ichoo”.
Rather, it must have been a fusion or matching of the Dutch “Ichoo” and the indigenous Yoruba word “Ereko” — a Yoruba word ( Ereko ) which has survived till date even as the name of an area in Lagos island itself.
This understanding was further deepened by two more facts, namely:
(1) The fact that the Yoruba word “Ereko” refers to farmland areas ( oko) which are subordinate to (and are under the authority of) a nearby settlement or city.
(2) The fact that the Lagos account categorically states the following on page 44 of Sir Alan Burns’ “History of Nigeria”:
” Formerly it was know as Eko, which name it has received before any settlements were made on the island” .
On the basis of all of all these understandings (from both our French text and from the Lagos account), it becomes apparent that the surviving indigenous name “Èkó ” for the island was coined by the Ijebus on the basis of a matching (apparently a PSM, i.e. Phono-semantic matching) of the Yoruba “Ereko” with the latter Dutch “Ichoo

That phrase("Just Like" means similar to, reminiscent of, resembling,akin to, identical to, in the vein of, the same as, approximating to,much like, not unlike, same as, bordering etc

[s]I am not a Bini retrograde who insists on eyewitness account (and nothing else) at one time; and yet shies away hypocritically from the same standard (eyewitness account) when the subject becomes Ewuare I, et al.
By the way, several information which we’ve both accepted so far from our 1845 French publication is not on the basis of eyewitness account. Lol.
However, my emphasis and approach to history have always been the historians’ standard — which is to carefully examine all historical evidence types — namely, eyewitness accounts; early multiply attested independent oral accounts; archeological artifacts; etc.
And the earliest available historical evidence on how the Binis originally came in to acquire their portion of the island comes (NOT from Ulsheimer’s report, but) from the historical account which historians call the Lagos account .
And the Lagos account (which is many decades earlier than the latter-day reactive account of the Benin Chief Egharevba) maintains that the Binis came from Benin to settle-in into the island by means of a peaceful negotiation with the native people.
This account was first published by the British colonial authorities in the year 1878. The embedded image below is from page 43 of Sir Alan Burn’s “History of Nigeria (1929)”.[/s]

This is an ignorant falsehood.
The earliest available evidence which touches
specifically on this topic is the Lagos account.
Nothing earlier touches on the polity of the island prior to foundation of the independent “Eleko” monarchy by the Yoruba man, Ashipa (of course with the backing of the influential king of Benin).

The monarch who controls ”Eko” prior to when
Ashipa asserted an independent monarchy for the island used to be the King of the adjacent island — Iddo island.
The earliest available historical evidence on this specific subject shows that the then Olofin of Iddo (now Oloto of Iddo) was the ruler of (a) the Iddo island, (b) the adjacent island of Eko, and (c) some few settlement on the main land.
Refer to: Sir Alan Burns’ “History of Nigeria”, 1929, pp. 42-44.
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Lol! No!
No where does Ulsheimer’s report say even one thing about the Binis controlling the island
militarily or in any other wise.
Your phrase “control of the [is]land” is just not met with under any guise in Ulsheimer’s account.
On the contrary, Ulsheimer’s account made it clear that the fenced settlement of the Binis was on that island alongside other people’s settlements.
His report made this clear where it says that the fenced settlement of the Binis was a frontier settlement .
In other words, it was built on that island exactly on the border between [at least] two other settlements belonging to other groups of people.
In fact, the report makes this point further clearer where it says that people of diverse backgrounds come to this fenced settlement of the Binis by water and by land.
People could only possibly come by land to a specific location on an island if they themselves
already reside on that same island , but in a different part of it.

In conclusion, Ulsheimer’s report indicates clearly that the Binis were not the only group of people that owns a settlement on that island.
So, whatever their specific vocation was (be it combatants, or business persons who are also combatants); their political activities — as this report shows — was confined to the four-walls of their fenced settlement.
Moreover, Ulsheimer’s report further shows that these Binis were combatants who also engaged in business activities. The report shows that many diverse people come to the Binis’ fenced settlement specifically for business purposes.
In the light of the foregoing detailed exposition, it becomes obvious that nothing is said in Ulsheimer’s report about the Binis having any sort of control of the island, nor was anything said in the report about the specific reason why Ulsheimer found them to be battle-ready combatants.
The specific reason for this battle-ready condition wasn’t known from any documented writing until in the Lagos accounts which were collected and published by the colonial authorities in the years 1878, 1914, and 1929.
The Lagos account as may be seen embedded above makes it clear that the Binis after they had already become one of the diverse inhabitants on the island later began to engage in some battle campaigns — attacking “the people on the mainland” leading to the death of one of the key Benin commanders by the name “Asheru ”.

Tobrasky:
So after all this long epistles, essays, PowerPoint presentations, historical jagbajantis and thesis writing... na who come get Lagos?

For my Bini brothers remember say no be person wey first enter land dey get case for ownership ... I'm sure there were indigenous people/aborigines that you met in Eko if your claim that you were there before the Yorubas is true... If that be the case; who were these indigenous people in question? and which language did they speak etc