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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Westtimeline: 12:46pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Christistruth00:Let him keep fooling himself 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 12:46pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Christistruth00: We have many Yoruba migrant in Benin having different yoruba names idowu, ojo Ogendegbe And co but because some edo bear Ogendegbe doesn't meaning Because Ogendegbe raided some part of edo Which can't be proven Ogendegbe story in edo is a myth |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by jneutron4000: 12:47pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
[s] gregyboy:[/s] 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 12:48pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Westtimeline: This one nor well, I urge you to point a gun at your oonis head and make him confess the truth behind the benin-ife myth to you |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Westtimeline: 12:49pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
nocomment3:The way you Benin people package una lies ehn, if not that others knows thier history and origin, you would have claimed so many land in Africa and the world at large. 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 12:49pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Westtimeline: 12:50pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
gregyboy:He raided Edo, that one too must be a myth hahahahaha 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Westtimeline: 12:55pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
gregyboy:Because you people are tiny and can't dare them hahahahaha 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 12:58pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Westtimeline:I show a map drawn by an eye-witness, you tell me i am telling a lie. I show a text written by an eye-witness, you tell me again that I am telling a lie. I provided the sources for the precolonial maps and for the precolonial texts. You debate my current language (french) with me, eventhough you know nothing about french or even about translating in general. How can i be telling a lie if I am only bringing forward things written by eye witnesses ? You hate the truth and will never accept it. By the way your tribe is well known for telling lies and you guys proved your reputation right. Don't reverse roles. It is 1 O clack, I amtired discussing with delusional yoruba, i have maths to do, i am late enough as it is. 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Westtimeline: 12:59pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
gregyboy:Whether I am from Lagos or not. Lagos is part of my heritage, my land, my ancestors land. I will defend it from any intruders. Tell your father to tell south African man that he's not from Johannesburg and see if he will be alive. You are very mad and stupid. 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 1:01pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Westtimeline: 1:01pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
nocomment3:Go and show map to the European that you own Norway. Thank God, everyone knows their history and heritage. Just as we know, our children, grand children and great grand children must also know. Thief Oleeeeeeeeeeee, land grabbers. Come and grab Lagos na. Bring out the eye withneess that drew your trashy map. We will bring our eye withness that was present during the time the Yoruba people keep stopping the oba slaves from trading in Lagos. 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 1:10pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
gregyboy:From Ekoname to Ekonihamen ![]() ![]() I've told you to stay one place so that thunder will be able to locate you. Liars attract thunder. kiss the truth! 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by jneutron4000: 1:19pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 1:24pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
nocomment3:The fact that your forefathers arrived Lagos to trade doesn't give you the right to claim another man's land. How could strangers claim the land of indigenes that accepted them. Your not only landgrabbers but Thieves. Even your oba of benin dare not claim lagos. kiss the truth! 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by forgiveness: 1:25pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Christistruth00: I never heard this before. Is it true? Anything to back it up? 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 1:39pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
TimeManager: You're just a troll |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TAO11(f): 1:40pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
forgiveness:The attached are pages from R. E. Bradbury’s “Benin Kingdom and the Edo-Speaking People’s of South-Western Nigeria”, 1957 These are some of the information collected from the Edos themselves by the late Dr. R. E. Bradbury during the course of his devotion of seven years of intensive anthropological fieldwork on Benin and the Edo-speaking people’s of Nigeria on which he was the outstanding authority. The result of his Benin Kingdom survey also formed part of a larger work on the Ethnographic Survey of Africa. www.nairaland.com/attachments/13003368_e787ad76ddce4b8e83d0d66f4dfe692b_jpeg_jpeg3e9cdb34185948bdd0510ab05850d428 www.nairaland.com/attachments/13003369_8724dab8bcc74cf99b443c271572c474_jpeg_jpeg5d15fc0e0122bb0e5930c09b269b172d Cc: Christistruth00, Ideadoctor, gomojam, id2019, djevino, 9jamustchange, BornRicch, Ddaji, J111333, excanny, Mysticwebb, Yebosola, Derrylatei, AustineJohn908, Cashsteady, owobokiri, forgiveness, bularaz, TimeManager, kilonshele101, 8BitGee, Daum, edo3, RuggedSniper, hicomm17, lionshare, ekesol, Demogorgon, Rumxy, Paganizonda, gwafaeziokwu, NGPatriot, macof, MelesZenawi 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Westtimeline: 1:44pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
TimeManager:Gbam, he will soon claim Trinidad and Tobago. 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 1:57pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
gregyboy:How many nights and days did your forefathers spend in the bushes on their way to Lagos ![]() ![]() your forefathers arrived Lagos, Lagos sweet their belle after mosquitoes don bite their scrotum inside bushes ![]() kiss the truth! 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 2:00pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
TimeManager: Trolling |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by forgiveness: 2:05pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
TAO11: ![]() ![]() Benin was just a kingdom after all. 5 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by forgiveness: 2:09pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
gregyboy: Stop fooling yourself. 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 2:10pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TAO11(f): 2:14pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
forgiveness:A very, very, very tiny fraction actually. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 2:21pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
gregyboy:Those whose forefathers spent nights and days in the bushes and forests from benin to lagos, claiming Lagos are the ones trolling. kiss the truth! 5 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 2:34pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Yorubas have finally defeated benin on this thread Hurray to the yorubas 1 Like
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 3:14pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
TAO11:Kudos. 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 3:24pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Tao11Lol.... .. Says someone who doesn't understand clear and simple English... Well... Read on ![]() (A) First of all, the original word you’ve translated here as “ refer to ” should actually have been translated as “designated ”. First of all, to designate means to choose, to appoint... The fact that the Ijebu chose a name for it doesn't specify anywhere that it was the official name So therefore, in that text, the author simply says “Captain Horsely rendered it as Eco*, and that is how it was designated or chosen by the Ijebus •••” He never mentioned that it was the official name equally accepted by the people living in Eko or the people who the land belongs to. In fact, the author goes to tell us that the people who owns the land of Eko(the Benin) apply, or refer to the land as Korame... ( See below for more info abt the name Korame).. This case is similar to the Nupe/Yoruba people... The Yoruba call the Nupe, Tapa but the INDIGENOUS people residing there call themselves Nupe Also the Igbos call the Benin people Idu, But the Benin people refer to themselves as Benin Now in my aforementioned examples, the names Tapa and Idu are not the official names for the Nupe or Benin people respectively rather they are names their neighbours chose or designated So therefore, the name Eko was not the official name of the people living in the land RATHER they are names being chosen for them by their neighbours Now... Let this info sink into u for the time being while u continue reading ![]() Continued below..... (B) Secondly, I find your pretense and double standard of “Eco” vs. “Eko ” to be particularly interesting and laughable. Now u are the ones talking abt double standards now... Very ironic ![]() Your attempt to divert the original point made is quite laughable, weak and silly at best ![]() The funniest part is that u accept that the French author wrote based on what he heard from the ijebu but still insist that the word Korame is the exact word being pronounced by Benin to the French (even with no meaning)because the French told u that they were fluent in Benin Now u are the one with the fear induced argument ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The author specifically made it clear that Eko and Eco were two different words in his text... So if ur claim is that the original word given to Lagos was Korame(which obviously means nothing in Benin) as was written in the French text, the onus is on u to also tell us to the meaning of "Eco" as also written in the same French text u quoted... All other incorrect words are irrelevant at best concerning this argument Once again, the French never said that the name Eko was coined by the Ijebu... Its very glaring in the text Stop with the weak and less persuasive lies... Its not helping ur cause ![]() ![]() Yes! Between the Ijebus and the Binis , the Binis had the right to the island (on the basis of their earlier arrival) even though the Ijebus supplied the surviving name, Eko. Another day ... Another set of lies... Belong connotes ownership... And to own something means to have control over something irrespective of whether they originally created or founded by you or not Yes, the land Eko wasn't founded by the Benin... But as at that time, the land belonged to them. It didn't say the land was shared between the Ijebu and the Benin rather the text clearly says that the land "Eko" doesn't belong to the ijebu, it belongs to the Benin"... Marseille was founded by the Greeks but now it belongs to the French... Catalonia was founded by the Carthaginians but now belongs to Spain... The core north was founded by the hausas but now the Fulanis control it. This and many more are examples of Lands founded by one tribe but lost ownership to it by conquests (considering the crude nature of humans in the past).... So when the French author stated that the land belonged to the Benin, what he meant was that as at that time, Benin had complete ownership over the land of Lagos... He never said they were original founders of the land just as u said.... To lay emphasis on this point, Australia for example was never an English land... It belongs to the Aboriginal Australians, But when the English came and conquered them, there was change of ownership from the Aboriginals to the English who still maintain ownership of the land over the original founders... So regardless of who first owned the land, the French author makes it known that as at the time of writing, the land "Lago" belonged to the Benin as clearly stated there In conclusion , the land called Eko, Lagos was owned by the Benin as at when Josua Ulsheimer and the French author were writing First of all, the French original simply doesn’t translate (in any way at all) to your wording here. The word apply is synonymous with refer... This simply means that the Benin refered to their land as Korame just as the Oyo refer to their king as Alaafin So while the Ijebus designated or chose to call the land Eko, the Benin refered to it as Korame just as the Yoruba chose to call the Nupe, Tapa but the Nupe refer to themselves as Nupe... It doesn't in anyway indicate that the Ijebu gave the official name.... It merely states the name the Ijebu chose to call it In fact , Considering the way Benin took over the land of lagos earlier, it is more likely the word Eko was coined from the Benin word Ekorame (tho the French author incorrectly spelt the word) which means camp of waters... Now this French author is obviously not fluent in Benin language as Korame doesn't mean anything in Benin... I know u don't understand Benin hence ur stubborn-headed assumption that the Exact and Original word told to the French was Korame... In Benin, most words that with the letter "E" are most likely to be silent in pronouciation... So it can be said that the French author wrote what he heard and not what the Benin spelt... So therefore, the word Korame was gotten from Eko-amen ... And pronounced Ekorame with a silent "e" Lol. A far more meaningful and more comprehensible translation of the text reads as: Another Lame ass Assertion ... As I've said earlier, the word Korame was a corrupted Benin word and not a word derived by the Portuguese.. Most words borrowed words tend to have the same meaning with the original language... Korame doesn't mean anything in Benin and so cannot be said to be derived from the Portuguese.. An example of Portuguese borrowed word in the Benin lexicon is Colher... This word was brought into the Benin language and corrupted to Ekuye... And they both have the same meaning which is spoon That's an example of a derived word ... And not kOrAme which doesn't mean anything in Benin language Rather ... In contradiction to the lies u bring forth here, the excerpt the name Korame [which is] recognizably the Curamo of the older Portuguese’s accounts expressly states that the land called Korame is the same land the Portuguese call Curamo... In fact, the name "Lago de Curamo" was given to Lagos by the Portuguese Explorer Ruy de Sequeira which means lakes So when the author said that "the name Korame [which is] recognizably the Curamo of the older Portuguese’s accounts", he simply meant the land Korame is completely the same Land the Portuguese call Curamo I know ur small brain tells u that because Korame and Curamo sound similar, one was derived from the other... Well , as I've said before, Korame and Curamo don't have the same meaning... Lago de Curamo is said to mean lakes while Ekorame is a combination of two Benin words, Eko - camp and amen - water Continued next page ![]() Cc: Balogunodua, Ideadoctor, gomojam, id2019, djevino, 9jamustchange, BornRicch, Ddaji, J111333, excanny, Mysticwebb, Yebosola, Derrylatei, AustineJohn908, Cashsteady, owobokiri, forgiveness, bularaz, TimeManager, kilonshele101, 8BitGee, Daum, edo3, RuggedSniper, hicomm17, lionshare, ekesol, Demogorgon, Rumxy, Paganizonda, gwafaeziokwu, NGPatriot, macof, MelesZenawi 5 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 3:25pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
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Samuk valirex gregyboy Etrusen edeyoung Areafada2 ... Are u guys seeing the clear double standards that Tao11 just displayed with utmost temerity ![]() ![]() ![]() According to Tao, the word "Korame" was wholly derived from Portugal to Benin but the word "Eko" was derived from the fusion of the Dutch word "Ichoo" and a Yoruba word "Ereko"..... Tao is so desperate that she wants to put her tribe on the same level with the Europeans... First of all, Tao, for this ur assertion, u'll have to give valid proofs that the words were merged. Do not spill rubbish and call it wise. The merger of Ichoo and Ereko can never give u Eko... Merged or fused words increase not decrease Now to the main point,... To further explain ur double standards and ignorance... An excerpt from the text "the name Korame [which is] recognizably the Curamo of the older Portuguese’s accounts just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs" The important keyword there is the phrase "Just like"... That phrase("Just Like" ![]() Example of this phrase used in sentences is "He is just like his father"... This means he is similar or same as his father... Now in this context,... The author says that Korame is recognised in older Portuguese reports as Curamo which is similar to Eko which is called Ichoo in Dutch reports.... For ur brain to transmit this easily, it means Curamo and Ichoo is used to refer to the same place that the Benin and Ijebu call Korame and Eco respectively... So u can NEVER make such weak claim that Benin derived their word from Portuguese while the Ijebu coined their own word..... This is BECAUSE the author showed a similarity with the way the land Lagos was referred to by European nations... We are gonna hire a primary 5 teacher to explain for u if u still don't understand this simple text According to ur text, how did the land receive a name before being inhabited ![]() ![]() ![]() So therefore, the Portuguese used Curamo to refer to Lagos just as or just like the Dutch used Ichoo to do likewise... While Benin derived theirs from two words -- Eko-Amen-- , the Ijebu obviously shortened the words to suit their pronunciation... In simpler terms what do both nations call Lagos Portugal - Curamo Dutch - Ichoo The early arrival of Benin explains this better Now that I've educated u like a child that u are, let's move to the next [s]I am not a Bini retrograde who insists on eyewitness account (and nothing else) at one time; and yet shies away hypocritically from the same standard (eyewitness account) when the subject becomes Ewuare I, et al.Wrong, the earliest accounts on Lagos is the Ulsheimer account... When Ulsheimer was present in 1603, he noted that the land Lago belongs to the Oba of Benin... More to be explained below Also There are no proofs that Benin negotiated land with the Awori ... Only oral accounts which are not true and contradicts the earliest report And has been shown many time,the Lagos account was obviously a lie... Where oral history contradicts eyewitness accounts, oral history must give way See below for more explanation This is an ignorant falsehood. This is a clear lie and u know it ![]() The earliest availabile evidence ie Ulsheimer doesn't talk abt any other ruler in the land of Lagos apart from the Oba of Benin.. Infact ur account doesn't date any ruler present in Lagos as at 1603. . As said earlier, from 1603 - 1682 to when ashipa became king, there is no recorded ruler present in the large land of lago.. this proves that according to the Ulsheimer, Lagos was ruled by 4 military commanders The monarch who controls ”Eko” prior to when Wrong... The account by Ulsheimer stated that Lagos was a land controlled by military generals... Now.. if military generals controlled Lagos, from where did the nonsense independent monarchy claim from iddo come from? Instead, there was no dependency on iddo island except from the oral stories of some lagosians who contradicts eyewitness accounts... The large town as noted by Ulsheimer was clearly stated to be owned by the Oba of Benin.. and it was used to control trade in that area.. Also Ulsheimer also never stated that Lagos had any form of dependency on any other place apart from Benin .. Besides, another Lagos account states that the ashipa did whatever he did so that he could obtain favour from the Oba to be made king... When power was given to him, he paid tributes to the Oba of Benin while the Oba had the undisputed right to choose who the next king of Lagos (as noted in the letter from Akitoye to the Queen) would be for more than 200 years Lol! No! Wrong... According to Egharevba, who according to u, got his sources independently from palace officials, Lagos was conquered by Benin and was used as a base to control trade in that area... This is very evident in the last line of the excerpt below "Forty miles from Benin lies a large town called Lago [Lagos], which also belongs to the King of Benin. It lies on an island and is a frontier town, surrounded by a strong fence. In it live none but soldiers and four military commanders, who behave in a very stately manner. Every day they come together in the king's house and make a sacrifice every morning. After the sacrifice, they hold court in the open air, in front of the king's house. Whoever has anything to complain about makes his complaint. They all fall on their knees when they present their case, and when one man is given a verdict in his favour, he thanks the authorities and the king. Also, two envoys always stand with the judge and listen to what is done. Every day these two send news off to the king, informing him of what the judges have done that day. They do this throughout the whole year. This is practiced not only in Lago, but also in other towns of the king, as well as in Benin itself. Many people come to the aforesaid town Lago, by water and by land, with their wares, which consist of beautiful cotton cloths woven in all kinds of colours and patterns." - First of all let us evaluate this part of Ulsheimer excerpt... 1) Ulsheimer clearly stated that the land Lago belongs to the Oba of Benin and was a large town... 2)Then he noted the presence of soldiers and four commanders ... This explains military presence ... It further shows that Benin had already conquered the land prior to his arrival .. In the past, high foreign military presence in a place signifies victory for the invading party... So the fenced environment explains that after defeating the aworis, that was their base wherein they controlled trade from there.. 3) He also noted control over the other sides when he wrote this part "After the sacrifice, they hold court in the open air, in front of the king's house. Whoever has anything to complain about makes his complaint. They all fall on their knees when they present their case, and when one man is given a verdict in his favour, he thanks the authorities and the king." This is the judiciary part of government already established in Lago already This is to say that other people come to the Oba of Benin for settlement of their conflicts.... This already establishes the fact that Benin was already in direct control of the area and its surroundings already..... 4) Another thing to show Benin direct control over Lagos is the fact that it took 80+ years before they decided to set up an indirect form of government in Lago with the appointment of ashipa... During that period, the land called Lagos and not iddo, was ruled directly with 4 commanders and soldiers 5) Lastly , This Ulsheimer account coincides with Egharevba account 300 years later ... Egharevba wrote that the land was conquered to control trade over that area... Now in the last part of the Ulsheimer account, he said "Many people come to the aforesaid town Lago, by water and by land, with their wares, which consist of beautiful cotton cloths woven in all kinds of colours and patterns." This further explains how the Benin controlled trade Esp as most trade activities was done in the land they conquered called "Lago"..... According to him, people came to Lago which was already conquered by Benin to trade... This supports the claim that Egharevba made The fact that Ulsheimer saw and wrote abt the presence of military generals and an army connotes that Lago was under military control . He never stated that the soldiers were trading there Lastly the fact that they were addressed as soldiers already connotes that they were battle ready... One major military code everywhere is that they should always be prepared Esp when on foreign land.. this is common sense na ![]() Soldiers are built for war and not trade, hence Ulsheimer never recorded that the soldiers engage in trading So why should I believe that a pained Yoruba account when there is an eyewitness account that contradicts it ![]() Conclusion: The Benin militarily controlled Lagos or Lago as referred by Ulsheimer the only eyewitness account then and had overall influence over the land till the 1850s when kosoko was dethroned... Any contradiction must be proven with an eyewitness account and not folktales from 200 years after 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 3:51pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Tobrasky: PowerPoint ![]() ![]() I don't know abt others but I believe that The Aborigines were the Awori... But as time went on, Benin became owners of the land before it was conquered by the British and now handed over to Nigeria.. .. An example of this noted in my Earlier comments is Australia... The English are not the original owner of the land... But after conquest, it became their land and the Aboriginals were pushed out and below..... Now the Aboriginals have lost their land and other rights... They were not even regarded most times I believe that Lagos now belongs to the Yoruba because of proximity but the claim that Benin never influenced Lagos is what I'm against |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Xzellentgraphic: 3:57pm On Jan 17, 2021 |
Please...the mod should ensure this nonsense post do not make front page.. |
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