nocomment3:
The yrouba are turning this into a diss rap battle. the absurdity is incredible.

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Are you still dragging Lagos Aworiland, Ijebuland and Egbaland with Yorubas or have you Surrendered?

Etinosa1234:

Lol.... .. Says someone who doesn't understand clear and simple English...

Well... Read on


First of all, to designate means to choose, to appoint...

The fact that the Ijebu chose a name for it doesn't specify anywhere that it was the official name

So therefore, in that text, the author simply says

“Captain Horsely rendered it as Eco*, and that is how it was designated or chosen by the Ijebus •••”

He never mentioned that it was the official name equally accepted by the people living in Eko.

The word designate in english doesn't translate the word désignent in the text. French is not english, things don't work the same way. As I have already stated, you can't translate a sentence from french to english by just translatiing word by word. You would lose the sense of the sentence completely.

When translated in a manner to keep the sense of the original text, you get this translation: "Captain Horsely calls it eco, and that is how the yebou refer to it."
I am a frnech citizen, I have schooled in france since primary school up to masters degree.
I speak french, and I speak english, I have taken mandatory translation classes.
I really don't know what to add.
Nobody amongst you guys actually speaks french.
Don't fall into the trap of that fool tao

Nigerians, nobody knows everything, and when you don't know, don't argue stupidly.
What is your language ?
Imagine a guy from china who speaks only chinese and doesn't speak a word of your language, imagine that guy arguing with you about your language ? That is exactly what you guys are doing with me.
I don't know if you understand but 7 year old french children understand french way better than you.
I am a french citizen with a masters degree who reads and writes french books and teaches in france.

So you have these levels:

you <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 7 year old french kid <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Me

Etinosa1234:


PowerPoint

I don't know abt others but I believe that The Aborigines were the Awori... But as time went on, Benin became owners of the land before it was conquered by the British and now handed over to Nigeria.. ..

An example of this noted in my Earlier comments is Australia... The English are not the original owner of the land... But after conquest, it became their land and the Aboriginals were pushed out and below..... Now the Aboriginals have lost their land and other rights... They were not even regarded most times

I believe that Lagos now belongs to the Yoruba because of proximity but the claim that Benin never influenced Lagos is what I'm against

1) proximity is not a logical basis, because in that case it might be best to say Benin republic owns Lagos, because not only is Benin republic close to lagos, it is also a country which yoruba is not.
2) population wise, lagos is way too diverse with no group having more than 20% of the total population, so population argument also doesn't work
3) historical argument doesn't work because it favors Benin and even england way more than it can ever favor yoruba slaver returnees.
4) the awori thing is only a myth

The only recorded owners of lagos in chronological order:

1) Benin
2) Britain
3) Nigeria

Even Sanusi feels more at home in lagos than he does in kano or anywhere in the north. Lagos is a cosmpolitan region and there is absolutely no argument which makes it a yoruba belonging.

i see tao has gone once again into quoting "oral tradition" as history, and tao still hides the books she claims to quote making it impossible for people to make any verification. we are talking about eye-wityness accounts and tao is bringing papers she claims come from books published in 1957 near the end of the colonial era by people whose grand parents werent' born when the events they described are supposed to have happened.
Being an illiterate is a choice and tao has chosen to be one.

Also, notice how tao took back some of her old crooked ways of hyping whomever she quotes or claims to quote as the best in some way, the biggest authority in the field...Whomever publishes anything which supports yoruba dogma is the best in tao's eyes and should never be questionned.

Ethnography, anthropologie... these are pseudo sciences, in other words guess work whose authors can only be described as professional idiots. Who guess their way into anything, they are not historians, they do not do history. their field is to me a big fat rubbish. I never ever quote them. i only rely on eye-witness accounts.

forgiveness:



I never heard this before. Is it true? Anything to back it up?

http://ogedengbe.com/17503.html




Ogedengbe.com Ilesa / Ijesa Sate The Monarch The Warrior King Warrior Drummers Ogedengbe III Obanla's I,II,III,IV Ogedengbe(OGASE) Centenary Info




In the days of constant wars among the kingdoms of the Yoruba, a warrior hero called Ogedengbe lived in the city of Ilesha. Ogedengbe ruled firmly in Ilesha, and in other kingdoms he was feared and respected, for it was said that once he had undertaken war against an enemy he would not relent or turn back until his work was finished.

He attacked enemy cities and sacked them, taking gold and slaves as his prize. He pursued his enemies to the most distant places to cut them down. Wherever the fighting was most fierce, there Ogedengbe would be. His name was heard with attention in far-off villages, and, at the rumour that Ogedengbe was approaching, people went away into the bush with their cattle and hid themselves.

An illustration of General Ogedengbe on his white horse (www.ogedengbe.com)In other kingdoms people asked each other: "How can Ogedengbe be disposed of? He is like a plague of ants. He comes out of the bush to eat everything that lies in his path. If Ogedengbe were not loose in the land we could go on living, each man in his fields and each city in its place. But now every city is in danger". The city of Ibadan was then ruled by another warrior chief called Ogunmola. Ogunmola decided one time that he would attack Ilesha and destroy Ogedengbe. He assembled his army. He prepared for the expedition. And when everything was ready Ogunmola's forces set out. They reached the outskirts of Ilesha.

A great battle began. Ogedengbe warriors met the army from Ibadan in the fields. When night came they rested, but when the sun rose again the battle resumed. The two armies moved from one place to another. They drifted across the land. Other cities became involved. The war spread, leaving suffering and death in its wake. Finally Ogedengbe defeated Ogunmola, who returned with his shattered forces to Ibadan.

But Ogedengbe's anger was not yet stilled. It was said that the city of Benin had conspired with Ibadan in the attack against Ilesha. So Ogedengbe decided to punish Benin. He began the expedition.

As he rode his white horse his drummers went on ahead. Their drums spoke like this: "Ogedengbe is coming. Ogunmola is finished, Now it is Benin's turn. Benin, prepare yourself, prepare to bury your corpses". The sound of the drums was heard far away. Whenever Ogedengbe's army passed through a village there was no sign of human beings and the fields were empty.

For everywhere it was said that Ogedengbe's drums and war horns spoke only the truth. When the drums said that Ogunmola had been defeated, everyone agreed that it must be so. Word of Ogedengbe's approach came to Benin. The ruler of that city met with his councillors to discuss the situation. They sent a messenger to Ogedengbe. He said: "Our people say there is no need to make war on Benin. Benin has done nothing hostile to you. The people know of your courage and achievements, and they praise you. Ogedengbe, turn back and leave Benin as it stands. This is the message I have brought you.


An illustration of General Ogedengbe and his drummers (www.ogedengbe.com)
Ogedengbe spoke harshly. He said: "It is just as I thought it would be.

The city of Benin whimpers like a child. Hear my drums, for they speak only what is true. The drums say, 'Now it is Benin's turn.' Return to the city and tell your Oba what I have said."

The messenger returned to Benin. He reported Ogedengbe’s words.

Once again the people of Benin sent a messenger to plead with Ogedengbe not to make war on the city. Again Ogedengbe rebuffed the messenger. His army arrived at Benin, surrounded the city and dug a moat around it to prevent the inhabitants from escaping. Benin was besieged. The Oba of Benin, the subchiefs and the councillors discussed their situation. They foresaw that the city would be destroyed and their army defeated. While some said: "Let us go out and fight," others said, "No. Listen to Ogedengbe's drums. They recall his great victories over other cities. They speak only what is true."

After the argument had been going on this way for a long time, one of the elders of Benin said: "Can Ogedengbe's drums say only one thing? What are drums, after all? They are objects made of wood and hide. They say only what drummers make them say. Ogedengbe's drums can say other things. They can speak of Benin's greatness also." people answered: "Now, Ogedengbe's drummers are dear to his heart, for the words their drums speak remind him to be courageous, and his warriors also take courage from the sound.

Why, then, would the drummers make their drums tell of Benin's greatness?" The elder answered: "I will tell you about this thing. The drummers play what pleases Ogedengbe because he pays them well. Does a musician live who does not play what he is paid for? Very well. Let us be patrons to the drummers."The people saw merit in it. They collected cowries from whoever had cowries, and the Oba and the subchiefs gave the greatest share. They appointed a messenger. In the dark of night the messenger took the cowries and went out of the city to the place where the drummers were resting.

The messenger said to them: 'Tour drumming has been heard. In the city the people have praised it. They say you are truly great musicians and poets. The tones of your drums are so perfect that no one can mistake their meanings. The people of Benin would like you to drum something for them before the battle begins tomorrow. For this small deed they will give you ten thousand cowries." The drummers talked among themselves. They agreed. They asked,

"What do you want our drums to say?"

"Why," the messenger said, "just a small phrase. Have your drums

say, 'When has Benin ever been defeated?' Have them say, 'Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies.' " He gave the drummers the ten thousand cowries and went back to the city.

The light of the morning sun began to be visible. Ogedengbe ordered his warriors to prepare for battle. They made themselves ready for the attack. Ogedengbe mounted his horse. The drums began to play.

But instead of reciting Ogedengbe's praise names and recalling his great deeds the drums said: "When has Benin ever been defeated?

Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies."

All in Ogedengbe's camp heard the drums and were surprised. Anger filled Ogedengbe as he heard the drums say over and over:

"When has Benin ever been defeated?

Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies."

Doubt came to Ogedengbe. He thought: "It is true. Benin has never fallen in war." His fury for battle softened. His warriors with their weapons in their hands, they too were thinking: "Have Ogedengbe's drums ever spoken a falsehood? What they say now is so. Benin has never been beaten to the ground. Although it has many enemies Benin has only survived and grown greater."

Ogedengbe's eagerness to attack Benin diminished, until at last he ordered his fighting men to withdraw to the outskirts of the city. There he had his drummers executed for making their drums say at the very moment of attack, "When has Benin ever been defeated?" After that Ogedengbe and his army returned to Ilesha.


http://www.marcusgarvey.com

Illustrations taken from Ogedengbe Agbogungboro booklet by Olusesan Ajewole.



Copyright © 2005-2010, OGASE Communications. All rights reserved.

gregyboy:


You're just a troll

I like this.It is for landgrabbers....

Thank God, everyone knows their history and heritage.

Just as we know, our children, grand children and great grand children must also know.


Thief Oleeeeeeeeeeee, land grabbers.

Come and grab Lagos na.

Bring out the eye withneess that drew your trashy map. We will bring our eye withness that was present during the time the Yoruba people keep stopping the oba slaves from trading in Lagos.


My take is that the only thing you landgrabbers can do is continually wail forever.

Nice science fiction guys. Your gbendegbe whatever was one great superhero.
Benin which later fought britian and had won every wars it had ever fought and had an organized society and was an empire, was somehow afraid of your super magical hero.

the british themselves claimed that Benin terrified everybody in the region. But I guess that yoruba super magical hero was so super magical.

oni of ife introdused as spiritual leader (priest) by the brittish in 1948:

https://www.facebook.com/LateSirAdesojiMartinsTadeniawoAderemiI/videos/989866004541431

Ofemannnu:



I like this.It is for landgrabbers....

Thank God, everyone knows their history and heritage.

Just as we know, our children, grand children and great grand children must also know.


Thief Oleeeeeeeeeeee, land grabbers.

Come and grab Lagos na.

Bring out the eye withneess that drew your trashy map. We will bring our eye withness that was present during the time the Yoruba people keep stopping the oba slaves from trading in Lagos.


My take is that the only thing you landgrabbers can do is continually wail forever.

Did you mean to quote me or him , he didn't post any map, i did.
Anyways, I can't bring dead people (the eye-witnesses) back to life, only God can.
Do you have any other stupid demand ?

these days everybody seems to have a myth about defeating Benin... it is incredible...Just like every drunkard has a myth about defeating Mike Tyson.

I need to go now, i'm really too late for my work.

nocomment4:
Nice science fiction guys. Your gbendegbe whatever was one great superhero.
Benin which later fought britian and had won every wars it had ever fought and had an organized society and was an empire, was somehow afraid of your super magical hero.

the british themselves claimed that Benin terrified everybody in the region. But I guess that yoruba super magical hero was so super magical.

Have you heard about Fon of Dahomey and what they did to the whites but Egba defeated them four times.

Which wars did Benin fight compared to the Oyo Empire?

Did you mean to quote me or him , he didn't post any map, i did.
Anyways, I can't bring dead people (the eye-witnesses) back to life, only God can.
Do you have any other stupid demand ?

Thank God, everyone knows their history and heritage.

Just as we know, our children, grand children and great grand children must also know.


Thief Oleeeeeeeeeeee, land grabbers.

Come and grab Lagos na.

Bring out the eye withneess that drew your trashy map. We will bring our eye withness that was present during the time the Yoruba people keep stopping the oba slaves from trading in Lagos.

I need to go now, i'm really too late for my work.

You better go to work because you are just wasting your time as a landgrabber.

Landgrabbers like you and your likes will wail until eternity.
You can only wail on the internet.

forgiveness:



that was just a fraction of Yoruba clan. Interesting.

Benin was just a kingdom after all.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/yorubarenaissance.com/2020/09/19/1176/amp/

"Ogedengbe exploits also took him to Ekiti and Akoko areas where he sold a lot of them into slavery. This was why he was often referred to as “O soko Ekiti soko Akoko”. He also went as far as the present day Edo state. The Oba of Benin had to appeace him before he desisted from waging war against his domain. He gave Ogedengbe presents of beads, slaves and other valuable articles."


CC :TAO

I noticed you just deactivated this account too because the going got rough for you. I expected that though.

However, hold this in the meantime while I make time to get back to your criminal brother, Etinosa aka ayoola27.

nocomment3:
oni of ife introdused as spiritual leader (priest) by the brittish in 1948:

https://www.facebook.com/LateSirAdesojiMartinsTadeniawoAderemiI/videos/989866004541431

You’ve just proven yourself again to be nothing but a bald-headed, janus-faced, fatuous liar!

No where does the above 1948 video documentary say that the Ooni of Ife is not a king but a priest. Neither was he introduced as priest.

Rather, the video states at timestamp 0:14 and I quote here below:

“The Ooni of Ife, spiritual leader of over three million Nigerian tribesmen, was one of the important arrivals”.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=989866004541431

And that is accurate because all Yoruba kings (that is, including the Benin monarch) are considered in, Yoruba religious belief, to be demi-deities — ikeji-õṣà.

Since the Ooni of Ife is the leader of all the monarchs of Yorubaland, this fact thus rightfully makes him the spiritual leader of all Yorubas (and Binis).

Notice that this 1948 meeting which held in Lancaster house and entitled “The African Conference in London” had the Ooni of Ife representing Nigeria in his capacity as leader of the south-west ‘tribes’ — which included the Binis among others.

This leader of the then south-west ‘tribes’ was not deemed to be the Alaafin Oyo, nor was it deemed to be the Omonoba n’Edo, but rather the Ooni Ife.

Note that he wasn’t yet honored as a British knight at the time. Neither was he yet a Governor at the time. He simply represented Nigeria in his capacity as a tribe leader — a tribe which included the Binis.


In addition to the above 1948 documentary, the attached pages below are from a 1903 publication entitled “Native Crowns”.

These attached pages from the paper shows the published summary of a proceeding in which the Ooni of Ife was clearly and rightfully identified as the leading monarch for all of Yorubaland.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915204_3bb91d9be2ea45c5afd3f41e88728f3e_jpeg_jpeg645a15f18177fc5fe10c58c7cc98cb9c
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915205_d21b9942ec6b49db8268dddb52125c5d_jpeg_jpeg5b7a9464bca8be76b7a6cbdd30d76898
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915206_ea1bb7bbeb514c029bf799998b655ca3_jpeg_jpeg94b9f98f3c978fcbb8823afc65a47cbc

~ The Editor, “Native Crowns,” Journal of the Royal African Society, April 1903, Vol. 2, No. 7, Oxford University Press.

I am pleased to always rubbish you all over Nairaland.

Cheers!

TAO11:
I know you just deactivated this account as you always do, but hold this in the meantime while I make time to get back to your criminal brother, Etinosa — aka, ayoola27.

Liar! No where does the above 1948 video documentary say that the Ooni of Ife is not a king but a priest. Neither was he introduced as priest.

You’re just simply being yourself — a fugly liar!!

Rather, the video states at timestamp 0:14 and I quote here below:

“The Ooni of Ife, spiritual leader of over three million Nigerian tribesmen, was one of the important arrivals”.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=989866004541431

And that is accurate because all Yoruba kings (that is, including the Benin monarch) are considered in, Yoruba religious belief, to be demi-deities — ikeji-õṣà.

Since the Ooni of Ife is the leader of all the monarchs of Yorubaland, this fact thus rightfully makes him the spiritual leader of all Yorubas (and Binis).

Notice that this 1948 meeting which held in Lancaster house and entitled “The African Conference in London” had the Ooni of Ife representing Nigeria in his capacity as leader of the south-west ‘tribes’ — which included the Binis among others.

This leader of the then south-west ‘tribes’ was not deemed to be the Alaafin Oyo, nor was it deemed to be the Omonoba n’Edo, but rather the Ooni Ife.

Note that he wasn’t yet honored as a British knight at the time. Neither was he yet a Governor at the time. He simply represented Nigeria in his capacity as a tribe leader — a tribe which included the Binis.


In addition to the above 1948 documentary, the attached pages below are from a 1903 publication entitled “Native Crowns”.

These attached pages from the paper shows the published summary of a proceeding in which the Ooni of Ife was clearly and rightfully identified as the leading monarch for all of Yorubaland.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915204_3bb91d9be2ea45c5afd3f41e88728f3e_jpeg_jpeg645a15f18177fc5fe10c58c7cc98cb9c
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915205_d21b9942ec6b49db8268dddb52125c5d_jpeg_jpeg5b7a9464bca8be76b7a6cbdd30d76898
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915206_ea1bb7bbeb514c029bf799998b655ca3_jpeg_jpeg94b9f98f3c978fcbb8823afc65a47cbc

~ The Editor, “Native Crowns,” Journal of the Royal African Society, April 1903, Vol. 2, No. 7, Oxford University Press.

I am pleased to always rubbish you all over Nairaland.

Cheers!

You defend and attack like a real Yoruba warrior and Yorubas have a lot of warriors I must say.
One of them was Ogedengbe that the Oba of Benin always trembled when he heard his footsteps... he always appeased Ogedengbe with different gifts.

nocomment3:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996622_oniofifepriest_jpega627ad8152e5189591312779b1eea23a

This image you attached here traces to only one source as diverse and as versatile as the World-Wide-Web is.

The image traces only to a post from an unverified Facebook page of a certain apparent amateur who, nonetheless, self-certified theirs as a history page.

This singular originator of this image (and Facebook post) — from where you have lifted this image — was severely roasted in the comment section of their own Facebook post for misinforming the public.

The Facebook poster (despite the multiple and consistent heavy criticisms in the comment section) dared not name even one source to prove that the individual in the picture was indeed an Ooni.

Neither could they substantiate the authenticity of the uncorroborated and sourceless footnote which they’ve edited into the anonymous picture. It was a clear case of propaganda gone wrong.

There is simply no evidence anywhere in all of history pages to back up their false and mischievous association of the Ooni of Ife with IfA priesthood.

Neither could the poster dare say a word in defense of their apparent mischievous editing — as there is no other source for such (apparent) falsehood.

In fact to be emphatic, there is not a single past Ooni of Ife (from Yorubaland’s photography era) who has ever adorned the circular-style beaded-necklace as shown in your image.

This singular fact alone instantly debunks your image (and its accompanying footnote) as a work of dubious and fraudulent propaganda. Lol!

As the 1903 attachments in my foregoing comment shows, the Ooni of Ife remains and was always the head of all Yoruba kings.

Stop lying to yourself and yet believe it. That’s the definition of madness. May God heal your miserable soul.

Ofemannnu:
You defend and attack like a real Yoruba warrior and Yorubas have a lot of warriors I must say.
One of them was Ogedengbe that the Oba of Benin always trembled when he heard his footsteps... he always appeased Ogedengbe with different gifts.

Lol. Thank you very much brother for the compliment.

Actually, flogging liars is one of my favorite pastimes.

Left to the Benin lying machines, they would claim to be the owners of Europe and Asia.

And I am very frank with following words: Many Binis in this present age and time (including many educated ones among them) actually believe with all sense of frankness that their king owns Europe and Japan. I am not kidding at all here.

This is why I know that not only are Binis a bunch of moronic liars, I have also recently come to realize that #BinisAreThieves.

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Just for records sake, the Benin king is a Yoruba man in all ramifications.

Attached below is page 181 of R. E. Dennett’s collection of some of Benin king’s praise titles.

Interestingly, this collection (which he published in the year 1906) shows some pure Yoruba words and phrases such as:

(i) Oba; and interestingly the Yoruba phrase below, viz.

(ii) Adimila [sic] Õṣà-kejì.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13004559_39fc108c73494df9944d2b15051c997d_jpeg_jpegb22e70b8124071d65a444ffac7cf1d16

Reference: Richard E. Dennett, “At the Back of the Black Man's Mind”, 1906, p. 181.

Let’s hope that this time around aWoLoWo has no hand in this mArGiNaLiTiOn of the Binis — even though he wasn’t yet born as at the date of this publication.

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forgiveness:



that was just a fraction of Yoruba clan. Interesting.

Benin was just a kingdom after all.

https://www.bbc.com/yoruba/afrika-48826634.amp


Gen Ogendegbe

Translated from BBC Yoruba

Etinosa1234:
Continued




Samuk valirex gregyboy Etrusen edeyoung Areafada2 ...

Are u guys seeing the clear double standards that Tao11 just displayed with utmost temerity

According to Tao, the word "Korame" was wholly derived from Portugal to Benin but the word "Eko" was derived from the fusion of the Dutch word "Ichoo" and a Yoruba word "Ereko".....

Tao is so desperate that she wants to put her tribe on the same level with the Europeans...

First of all, Tao, for this ur assertion, u'll have to give valid proofs that the words were merged. Do not spill rubbish and call it wise.

The merger of Ichoo and Ereko can never give u Eko... Merged or fused words increase not decrease

Now to the main point,... To further explain ur double standards and ignorance...
An excerpt from the text
"the name Korame [which is] recognizably the
Curamo of the older Portuguese’s accounts just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs"

The important keyword there is the phrase "Just like"...

That phrase("Just Like" means similar to, reminiscent of, resembling,akin to, identical to, in the vein of, the same as, approximating to,much like, not unlike, same as, bordering etc...

Example of this phrase used in sentences is "He is just like his father"... This means he is similar or same as his father...

Now in this context,... The author says that Korame is recognised in older Portuguese reports as Curamo which is similar to Eko which is called Ichoo in Dutch reports....

For ur brain to transmit this easily, it means Curamo and Ichoo is used to refer to the same place that the Benin and Ijebu call Korame and Eco respectively...

So u can NEVER make such weak claim that Benin derived their word from Portuguese while the Ijebu coined their own word.....

This is BECAUSE the author showed a similarity with the way the land Lagos was referred to by European nations... We are gonna hire a primary 5 teacher to explain for u if u still don't understand this simple text

According to ur text, how did the land receive a name before being inhabited ... Y'all have always been drunk

So therefore, the Portuguese used Curamo to refer to Lagos just as or just like the Dutch used Ichoo to do likewise... While Benin derived theirs from two words -- Eko-Amen-- , the Ijebu obviously shortened the words to suit their pronunciation...

In simpler terms what do both nations call Lagos
Portugal - Curamo
Dutch - Ichoo

The early arrival of Benin explains this better

Now that I've educated u like a child that u are, let's move to the next

Wrong, the earliest accounts on Lagos is the Ulsheimer account...

When Ulsheimer was present in 1603, he noted that the land Lago belongs to the Oba of Benin...

More to be explained below

Also There are no proofs that Benin negotiated land with the Awori ... Only oral accounts which are not true and contradicts the earliest report

And has been shown many time,the Lagos account was obviously a lie...

Where oral history contradicts eyewitness accounts, oral history must give way


See below for more explanation




This is a clear lie and u know it

The earliest availabile evidence ie Ulsheimer doesn't talk abt any other ruler in the land of Lagos apart from the Oba of Benin.. Infact ur account doesn't date any ruler present in Lagos as at 1603.
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As said earlier, from 1603 - 1682 to when ashipa became king, there is no recorded ruler present in the large land of lago.. this proves that according to the Ulsheimer, Lagos was ruled by 4 military commanders


Wrong... The account by Ulsheimer stated that Lagos was a land controlled by military generals...

Now.. if military generals controlled Lagos, from where did the nonsense independent monarchy claim from iddo come from?

Instead, there was no dependency on iddo island except from the oral stories of some lagosians who contradicts eyewitness accounts...

The large town as noted by Ulsheimer was clearly stated to be owned by the Oba of Benin.. and it was used to control trade in that area..

Also Ulsheimer also never stated that Lagos had any form of dependency on any other place apart from Benin ..

Besides, another Lagos account states that the ashipa did whatever he did so that he could obtain favour from the Oba to be made king... When power was given to him, he paid tributes to the Oba of Benin while the Oba had the undisputed right to choose who the next king of Lagos (as noted in the letter from Akitoye to the Queen) would be for more than 200 years


Wrong... According to Egharevba, who according to u, got his sources independently from palace officials, Lagos was conquered by Benin and was used as a base to control trade in that area... This is very evident in the last line of the excerpt below

"Forty miles from Benin lies a large town called Lago [Lagos], which also belongs to the King of Benin. It lies on an island and is a frontier town, surrounded by a strong fence. In it live none but soldiers and four military commanders, who behave in a very stately manner. Every day they come together in the king's house and make a sacrifice every morning. After the sacrifice, they hold court in the open air, in front of the king's house. Whoever has anything to complain about makes his complaint. They all fall on their knees when they present their case, and when one man is given a verdict in his favour, he thanks the authorities and the king. Also, two envoys always stand with the judge and listen to what is done. Every day these two send news off to the king, informing him of what the judges have done that day. They do this throughout the whole year. This is practiced not only in Lago, but also in other towns of the king, as well as in Benin itself. Many people come to the aforesaid town Lago, by water and by land, with their wares, which consist of beautiful cotton cloths woven in all kinds of colours and patterns." -

First of all let us evaluate this part of Ulsheimer excerpt...

1) Ulsheimer clearly stated that the land Lago belongs to the Oba of Benin and was a large town...
2)Then he noted the presence of soldiers and four commanders ... This explains military presence ... It further shows that Benin had already conquered the land prior to his arrival .. In the past, high foreign military presence in a place signifies victory for the invading party... So the fenced environment explains that after defeating the aworis, that was their base wherein they controlled trade from there..
3) He also noted control over the other sides when he wrote this part

"After the sacrifice, they hold court in the open air, in front of the king's house. Whoever has anything to complain about makes his complaint. They all fall on their knees when they present their case, and when one man is given a verdict in his favour, he thanks the authorities and the king."

This is the judiciary part of government already established in Lago already

This is to say that other people come to the Oba of Benin for settlement of their conflicts.... This already establishes the fact that Benin was already in direct control of the area and its surroundings already.....
4) Another thing to show Benin direct control over Lagos is the fact that it took 80+ years before they decided to set up an indirect form of government in Lago with the appointment of ashipa... During that period, the land called Lagos and not iddo, was ruled directly with 4 commanders and soldiers
5) Lastly , This Ulsheimer account coincides with Egharevba account 300 years later ... Egharevba wrote that the land was conquered to control trade over that area... Now in the last part of the Ulsheimer account, he said

"Many people come to the aforesaid town Lago, by water and by land, with their wares, which consist of beautiful cotton cloths woven in all kinds of colours and patterns."

This further explains how the Benin controlled trade Esp as most trade activities was done in the land they conquered called "Lago".....

According to him, people came to Lago which was already conquered by Benin to trade...

This supports the claim that Egharevba made

The fact that Ulsheimer saw and wrote abt the presence of military generals and an army connotes that Lago was under military control .

He never stated that the soldiers were trading there


Lastly the fact that they were addressed as soldiers already connotes that they were battle ready... One major military code everywhere is that they should always be prepared Esp when on foreign land.. this is common sense na

Soldiers are built for war and not trade, hence Ulsheimer never recorded that the soldiers engage in trading



So why should I believe that a pained Yoruba account when there is an eyewitness account that contradicts it

Conclusion: The Benin militarily controlled Lagos or Lago as referred by Ulsheimer the only eyewitness account then and had overall influence over the land till the 1850s when kosoko was dethroned...

Any contradiction must be proven with an eyewitness account and not folktales from 200 years after

Nice i love this

forgiveness:



I never heard this before. Is it true? Anything to back it up?

Gen Ogedengbe and the Ekitiparapo Army Invasion of Benin


Benins lying damage control Propaganda History version:

Cc TAO

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Etinosa1234:

Lol.... .. Says someone who doesn't understand clear and simple English...

Well... Read on


First of all, to designate means to choose, to appoint...

The fact that the Ijebu chose a name for it doesn't specify anywhere that it was the official name

So therefore, in that text, the author simply says

“Captain Horsely rendered it as Eco*, and that is how it was designated or chosen by the Ijebus •••”

He never mentioned that it was the official name equally accepted by the people living in Eko or the people who the land belongs to.

In fact, the author goes to tell us that the people who owns the land of Eko(the Benin) apply, or refer to the land as Korame... ( See below for more info abt the name Korame)..

This case is similar to the Nupe/Yoruba people... The Yoruba call the Nupe, Tapa but the INDIGENOUS people residing there call themselves Nupe
Also the Igbos call the Benin people Idu, But the Benin people refer to themselves as Benin

Now in my aforementioned examples, the names Tapa and Idu are not the official names for the Nupe or Benin people respectively rather they are names their neighbours chose or designated

So therefore, the name Eko was not the official name of the people living in the land RATHER they are names being chosen for them by their neighbours

Now... Let this info sink into u for the time being while u continue reading

Continued below.....



Now u are the ones talking abt double standards now... Very ironic

Your attempt to divert the original point made is quite laughable, weak and silly at best

The funniest part is that u accept that the French author wrote based on what he heard from the ijebu but still insist that the word Korame is the exact word being pronounced by Benin to the French (even with no meaning)because the French told u that they were fluent in Benin

Now u are the one with the fear induced argument

The author specifically made it clear that Eko and Eco were two different words in his text...

So if ur claim is that the original word given to Lagos was Korame(which obviously means nothing in Benin) as was written in the French text, the onus is on u to also tell us to the meaning of "Eco" as also written in the same French text u quoted...

All other incorrect words are irrelevant at best concerning this argument

Once again, the French never said that the name Eko was coined by the Ijebu... Its very glaring in the text

Stop with the weak and less persuasive lies... Its not helping ur cause



Another day ... Another set of lies...

Belong connotes ownership... And to own something means to have control over something irrespective of whether they originally created or founded by you or not

[/b]Yes, the land Eko wasn't founded by the Benin... But as at that time, the land belonged to them.[b]

It didn't say the land was shared between the Ijebu and the Benin rather the text clearly says that the land "Eko" doesn't belong to the ijebu, it belongs to the Benin"...

Marseille was founded by the Greeks but now it belongs to the French... Catalonia was founded by the Carthaginians but now belongs to Spain... The core north was founded by the hausas but now the Fulanis control it. This and many more are examples of Lands founded by one tribe but lost ownership to it by conquests (considering the crude nature of humans in the past)....


So when the French author stated that the land belonged to the Benin, what he meant was that as at that time, Benin had complete ownership over the land of Lagos... He never said they were original founders of the land just as u said....

To lay emphasis on this point, Australia for example was never an English land... It belongs to the Aboriginal Australians, But when the English came and conquered them, there was change of ownership from the Aboriginals to the English who still maintain ownership of the land over the original founders...

So regardless of who first owned the land, the French author makes it known that as at the time of writing, the land "Lago" belonged to the Benin as clearly stated there

In conclusion , the land called Eko, Lagos was owned by the Benin as at when Josua Ulsheimer and the French author were writing



The word apply is synonymous with refer...

This simply means that the Benin refered to their land as Korame just as the Oyo refer to their king as Alaafin

So while the Ijebus designated or chose to call the land Eko, the Benin refered to it as Korame just as the Yoruba chose to call the Nupe, Tapa but the Nupe refer to themselves as Nupe...

It doesn't in anyway indicate that the Ijebu gave the official name.... It merely states the name the Ijebu chose to call it

In fact , Considering the way Benin took over the land of lagos earlier, it is more likely the word Eko was coined from the Benin word Ekorame (tho the French author incorrectly spelt the word) which means camp of waters...

Now this French author is obviously not fluent in Benin language as Korame doesn't mean anything in Benin... I know u don't understand Benin hence ur stubborn-headed assumption that the Exact and Originalword told to the French was Korame...

In Benin, most words that with the letter "E" are most likely to be silent in pronouciation... So it can be said that the French author wrote what he heard and not what the Benin spelt...

So therefore, the word Korame was gotten from Eko-amen ... And pronounced Ekorame with a silent "e"




Another Lame ass Assertion ...

As I've said earlier, the word Korame was a corrupted Benin word and not a word derived by the Portuguese..

Most words borrowed words tend to have the same meaning with the original language...

Korame doesn't mean anything in Benin and so cannot be said to be derived from the Portuguese..

An example of Portuguese borrowed word in the Benin lexicon is Colher... This word was brought into the Benin language and corrupted to Ekuye... And they both have the same meaning which is spoon

That's an example of a derived word ... And not kOrAme which doesn't mean anything in Benin language

Rather ... In contradiction to the lies u bring forth here, the excerpt

the name Korame [which is] recognizably the
Curamo of the older Portuguese’s accounts

expressly states that the land called Korame is the same land the Portuguese call Curamo...

In fact, the name "Lago de Curamo" was given to Lagos by the Portuguese Explorer Ruy de Sequeira which means lakes

So when the author said that "the name Korame [which is] recognizably the
Curamo of the older Portuguese’s accounts", he simply meant the land Korame is completely the same Land the Portuguese call Curamo

I know ur small brain tells u that because Korame and Curamo sound similar, one was derived from the other... Well , as I've said before, Korame and Curamo don't have the same meaning...
Lago de Curamo is said to mean lakes while Ekorame is a combination of two Benin words, Eko - camp and amen - water[/s]

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You this Koname boy, pls don't mention me again in your lies.

You keep saying Conquered, Defeated
Biko, tell us the historical accounts of the wars your forefathers fought in Lagos.



kiss the truth!

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1) proximity is not a logical basis, because in that case it might be best to say Benin republic owns Lagos, because not only is Benin republic close to lagos, it is also a country which yoruba is not.
2) population wise, lagos is way too diverse with no group having more than 20% of the total population, so population argument also doesn't work
3) historical argument doesn't work because it favors Benin and even england way more than it can ever favor yoruba slaver returnees.
4) the awori thing is only a myth

The only recorded owners of lagos in chronological order:

1) Benin
2) Britain
3) Nigeria

Even Sanusi feels more at home in lagos than he does in kano or anywhere in the north. Lagos is a cosmpolitan region and there is absolutely no argument which makes it a yoruba belonging.

[/s]Same junkies

gregyboy:



Nice i love this

You love lies abi
He claimed the Aworis were defeated Ask him to explain how.

If the indigenes accepted you and gave you a tiny portion of land to sleep and have sex with your wives, doesn't that explain you conquered them?

kiss the truth!

Nice science fiction guys. Your gbendegbe whatever was one great superhero.
Benin which later fought britian and had won every wars it had ever fought and had an organized society and was an empire, was somehow afraid of your super magical hero.

the british themselves claimed that Benin terrified everybody in the region. But I guess that yoruba super magical hero was so super magical.

Did yorubas invade Benin or not. Just answer.

Ofemannnu:



Have you heard about Fon of Dahomey and what they did to the whites but Egba defeated them four times.

Which wars did Benin fight compared to the Oyo Empire?

I wonder, imaginary war.

All the land between Abeokuta and the Lagos Sea Coast belonged to the Egba by right of Conquest in the Ota War of 1842.

Where are those Benin boys that were lying that Metropolitan Lagos which belonged to the Egbas and the Ijebu when the British Landed in 1851 paid tribute to Oba Benin have they surrendered or are they hiding?

What did he say Agege and Isheri that were Egba territories meant in Edo again?


Cc TAO

Christistruth00:


All the land between Abeokuta and the Lagos Sea Coast belonged to the Egba by right of Conquest in the Ota War of 1842.

Where are those Benin boys that were lying that Metropolitan Lagos paid tribute to Oba Benin instead of Abeokuta before the British Landed in 1851, have they surrendered or are they hiding?

What did he say Agege and Isheri that were Egba territories meant in Edo again?


Cc TAO

Lagos paid until the dethronement of Oba kosoko

Christistruth00:



Gen Ogedengbe and the Ekitiparapo Army Invasion of Benin


Benins lying damage control Propaganda History version:

Cc TAO

Lets pretend u didn't see where his attack was halted by the Benin at a border town unlike that ur ogedengbe website that lied that he was appeased...

Appease ko, appearance ni

Better Goan ask for forgiveness for this ur lies