kokanepyramid:

For me I still want both be kept as squad players as long as they ain’t requesting for huge contract renewal. Adding an AM to that midfield should be the priority now and not plans to sell anyone in that department. If Guen comes back stronger and better we could decide to let one of them go perhaps in January that’s after assessing Guen’s abiliity.

Fair play! But for me I would only keep one of our current midfield as a squad player and be ruthless is selling the others if there is a player of immense and exceptional quality above them. As for Guen let's just hope he has a change of attitude cos all that anger nonsense will take him nowhere even if he has the skills.

In fact I'd be willing to trade of 2 or more of our midfielders to get an elite AM not to come and stutter ESr development but to help the young lad learn and improve more.

From a playing perspective and not on the actual role being played, I always look for 2 things . It's your jab and movement. Esr Thomas and Tieney have that in them naturally, I am not even going into specifics based on the roles they play but in generality here. Anytime Partey comes to receive or distribute the ball he his always moving, he is always on his toes making runs for that extra pass or to receive the ball, same thing with esr coupled with his disciplined one touch . KTs runs down the left channel all day is a worry for defenders and the boys engine is unbelievable.

But Partey takes it a notch further with his weight of pass and consistency in delivery and awareness , these are unteachable. Quality like this is what we should strive for . As per defense we are covered and I must say well done to the board for making those purchases

Can xhaka do anything well

Are we reincarnating this connection again??

kokanepyramid:

so what did we do differently

Our attack has always been fair. It's the defending that got a massive improvement. Defending not defenders mind you.

Spy360:

Our attack has always been fair. It's the defending that got a massive improvement. Defending not defenders mind you.

How’s this different from what I’ve been saying, was it not a change in midfield that propped up the defence?

Problem no they finish for this side

kokanepyramid:

That’s the power of a good midfield, peeps really underestimate that department. A very good midfield will paper the cracks of a bad attack and a bad defence. The competition at the back is a good thing too, imagine having a bench of Bellerin and Gabriel as unused subs and Mari not even making the squad, it’s been long we had that kind of quality at the back.

The club needs to splash on AM. also what are we doing about Pepe and Willian? sit down look and watch them waste space? Those two are vampires.

Its sad to see pepe on the bench. Who could have thought such a record signing would lose his place to an academy graduate

kokanepyramid:

How’s this different from what I’ve been saying, was it not a change in midfield that propped up the defence?

What change in midfield? Please tell.

What's different is the defensive approach and tactical plan by Arteta.

You could see it from the way we press from the front and the shape when not with the ball.

Spy360:

What change in midfield? Please tell.

What's different is the defensive approach and tactical plan by Arteta.

but is it not the same defensive approach and tactical plan Arteta was using pre ESR, yet we dey collect?

Even tho the scoreline then wasn't bad(I think it's only Aston Villa and Tottenham that scored us goal difference greater than 1), yet we never looked like scoring. Even the holding that was branded average is keeping clean sheet week in week out presently, same with either Mari/Luiz.

That's to tell you the tweak in a good Am worked, which was change in midfield, cos the defensive approach was already there since.

Maybe you have a different idea of defence wins you league/game from the way we (myself, kokane and sod) understand it. Cos I think that's where the issue is stemming from

Liposure:
Its sad to see pepe on the bench. Who could have thought such a record signing would lose his place to an academy graduate

It's not sad to see Pepe on the bench oo, even tho nobody at first thought that an academy player will bench him

I just think he's not cut out for EPL or perhaps his great season at lille(last season at lille) was just an outstanding season for him, cos that's the highest he's ever scored in his career a season... His previous seasons were mostly poor to average.

So maybe, just maybe we don fall for bad investment.

No wonder he shines at Europa, but he rarely replicates such in the league

Jodera:
but is it not the same defensive approach and tactical plan Arteta was using pre ESR, yet we dey collect?

Even tho the scoreline then wasn't bad(I think it's only Aston Villa and Tottenham that scored us goal difference greater than 1), yet we never looked like scoring. Even the holding that was branded average is keeping clean sheet week in week out presently, same with either Mari/Luiz.

That's to tell you the tweak in a good Am worked, which was change in midfield, cos the defensive approach was already there since.

Maybe you have a different idea of defence wins you league/game from the way we (myself, kokane and sod) understand it. Cos I think that's where the issue is stemming from

This is not what I am arguing about. I have already stated that ESR as an AM have kind of completed the puzzle, and that's why we have been creating chances and scoring goals.

But the other side of things for me has been the biggest achievement of Arteta. Making us defensively solid. That defensive solidity is what served as the foundation for the impact ESR as the AM or any person for that matter has made. It's the reason we are ascending fast.

This is as a result of tactical approach (defensive structure) not personnel involvement.

You can see that I was spot on when I speculated that any AM will change the fortune of this team. But I was able to see that then despite our poor form because I saw how good we were defensively right from the start of the season. Its so difficult to score against us now.

So it's our defensive strength that has made us strong and able to climb up the league table.

He said he was spot on, few syllables later he said he speculated.


Spy u no go kill person fcking tortoise

Spy360:

This is not what I am arguing about. I have already stated that ESR as an AM have kind of completed the puzzle, and that's why we have been creating chances and scoring goals.

But the other side of things for me has been the biggest achievement of Arteta. Making us defensively solid. That defensive solidity is what served as the foundation for the impact ESR as the AM or any person for that matter has made. It's the reason we are ascending fast.

This is as a result of tactical approach (defensive structure) not personnel involvement.

[b]You can see that I was spot on when I speculated that [/b]any AM will change the fortune of this team. But I was able to see that then despite our poor form because I saw how good we were defensively right from the start of the season. Its so difficult to score against us now.

So it's our defensive strength that has made us strong and able to climb up the league table.

Spy360:

This is not what I am arguing about. I have already stated that ESR as an AM have kind of completed the puzzle, and that's why we have been creating chances and scoring goals.

But the other side of things for me has been the biggest achievement of Arteta. Making us defensively solid. That defensive solidity is what served as the foundation for the impact ESR as the AM or any person for that matter has made. It's the reason we are ascending fast.

This is as a result of tactical approach (defensive structure) not personnel involvement.

You can see that I was spot on when I speculated that any AM will change the fortune of this team. But I was able to see that then despite our poor form because I saw how good we were defensively right from the start of the season. Its so difficult to score against us now.

So it's our defensive strength that has made us strong and able to climb up the league table.

Ok, I get your point now perfectly, and I wholly agree with you.


So do you agree with kokane especially with your explanations that we didn't need Gabriel signing since the structure is already there it'll make any good defender thrive?

Jodera:
Ok, I get your point now perfectly, and I wholly agree with you.


So do you agree with kokane especially with your explanations that we didn't need Gabriel signing since the structure is already there it'll make any good defender thrive?

Who are the good defenders we had last season? We had Luiz that would either drop disaster class along with Mustafi, Holding and Papa who both seem to be all brawns and less brain.

I watched almost all our matches last season ( except for a few when I'm either stuck in traffic on my way home or when I'm out of town), I was also here making and reading comments about how useless our defenders were.

Towards the end of the season we bought an injured Pablo Mari whose YouTube video looks good but nobody knows how he's going to turn out especially when he played less than 3 games( I don't know if I'm correct but I know he played few games) before his 6 months initial loan expired.

Now tell me if u were Arteta with Ur defence looking exactly like what I described up there, will u neglect the defence and focus on attack?

I want to check something

BlueRayDick:


Who are the good defenders we had last season? We had Luiz that would either drop disaster class along with Mustafi, Holding and Papa who both seem to be all brawns and less brain.

I watched almost all our matches last season ( except for a few when I'm either stuck in traffic on my way home or when I'm out of town), I was also here making and reading comments about how useless our defenders.

Towards the end of the season we bought an injured Pablo Mari whose YouTube video looks good but nobody knows how he's going to turn out especially when he played less than 3 games( I don't know if I'm correct but I know he played few games) before his 6 months initial loan expired.

Now tell me if u were Arteta with Ur defence looking exactly like what is described up there, will u neglect the defence and focus on attack?

I want to check something

Wetin u won check


Be like Na the trending line be that for here now

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sod09:
Problem no they finish for this side

Spy360:

What change in midfield? Please tell.

What's different is the defensive approach and tactical plan by Arteta.

You could see it from the way we press from the front and the shape when not with the ball.

I have dropped the matter before some will misquote it to mean hatred for Gabriel. I’m still trying to redeem myself from Guen’s own

I’ve made my points clear on this matter already, no need over-flogging it. Let’s enjoy the new form.

Finally Reborn Born-again!!!

BlueRayDick:


Who are the good defenders we had last season? We had Luiz that would either drop disaster class along with Mustafi, Holding and Papa who both seem to be all brawns and less brain.

I watched almost all our matches last season ( except for a few when I'm either stuck in traffic on my way home or when I'm out of town), I was also here making and reading comments about how useless our defenders were.

Towards the end of the season we bought an injured Pablo Mari whose YouTube video looks good but nobody knows how he's going to turn out especially when he played less than 3 games( I don't know if I'm correct but I know he played few games) before his 6 months initial loan expired.

Now tell me if u were Arteta with Ur defence looking exactly like what I described up there, will u neglect the defence and focus on attack?

I want to check something

Well one thing I do know is that I was advocating for strong midfield and attack. I believe in the proponent that if your midfield and attack is very good, with good structural and organizational play and positioning, it would cover 90-95% of your defence.

I also believe that the reason why we drifting away from top 4 season in season out is because of our below par midfielders and attackers compared to different eras of arsenal.

Then once those two are sorted, then we can now think of defence in order to win the league. Mind you, I don't believe that our cbs are below par(taking aside mari and Gabriel), maybe sokratis and mustafi. So I believe a good midfield and attack would have covered them.

I know we might have different views and that is not bad, but at least from my explanations you'll know what I would have done if I'm in Arteta's shoes.

kokanepyramid:

Wetin u won check


Be like Na the trending line be that for here now

Jodera:
Well one thing I do know is that I was advocating for strong midfield and attack. I believe in the proponent that if your midfield and attack is very good, with good structural and organizational play and positioning, it would cover 90-95% of your defence.

I also believe that the reason why we drifting away from top 4 season in season out is because of our below par midfielders and attackers compared to different eras of arsenal.

Then once those two are sorted, then we can now think of defence in order to win the league. Mind you, I don't believe that our cbs are below par(taking aside mari and Gabriel), maybe sokratis and mustafi. So I believe a good midfield and attack would have covered them.

I know we might have different views and that is not bad, but at least from my explanations you'll know what I would have done if I'm in Arteta's shoes.

Well, u ended up not answering my question but we move sha!

David Luiz was calamitious in some notable matches, Papasthapopulous was just not good enough, Mustafi na dirty and Chambers is always injured.

A coach who doesn't want to lose his job will surely do something about that. It's just funny how we all forget about those dark nights when our defence gives up a lead after the attack has worked tirelessly to get a goal ahead.

E be like say one of these days maybe when I’m on leave I will do throwback Thursday here posting videos of what terrible defending did to us to refresh our brains. Maybe then we will understand why Arteta had to first prioritize freezing deadwoods like Papasthapopulous and Mustafi out and getting a good defender like Gabriel in

Jodera:
Ok, I get your point now perfectly, and I wholly agree with you.


So do you agree with kokane especially with your explanations that we didn't need Gabriel signing since the structure is already there it'll make any good defender thrive?

We needed to do away with the likes of Socrates and Mustafi. They were no longer good enough to play for us. So we needed replacements. Mari was injured, same with Chambers. It was urgent. Gabriel came for 20m at his age. Good defender, such a bargain. He fitted in well.

But it's the tactical approach that made the difference. We won the FA cup with that approach and without Gabriel.

BlueRayDick:


Well, u ended up not answering my question but we move sha!

David Luiz was calamitious in some notable matches, Papasthapopulous was just not good enough, Mustafi na dirty and Chambers is always injured.

A coach who doesn't want to lose his job will surely do something about that. It's just funny how we all forget about those dark nights when our defence gives up a lead after the attack has worked tirelessly to get a goal ahead.

E be like say one of these days maybe when I’m on leave I will do throwback Thursday here posting videos of what terrible defending did to us to refresh our brains. Maybe then we will understand why Arteta had to first prioritize freezing deadwoods like Papasthapopulous and Mustafi out and getting a good defender like Gabriel in

Ensure they are videos from Arteta era,

kokanepyramid:

Ensure they are videos from Arteta era,

My videos will be pre-Gabriel Era cos it is Gabriel’s buy that has been subject to argument

Heaven helps Gabriel Arsenal doesn't lose the next game he starts

BlueRayDick:


My videos will be pre-Gabriel Era cos it is Gabriel’s buy that has been subject to argument

My assertion has always been that the midfield Emery paraded made our defence look terrible and defence was always scapegoated for the deficiencies of that midfield. Or why do u think I was hammering Guen instead of them Mustaffi and Luiz most peeps kept cursing game in game out. The defence looked better as soon as Arteta took over and made some changes in the midfield. We won Man-U in January and narrowly lost to Chelsea. If the video is during Emery era then it’s void based on my argument.

As u can see this season that without ESR in the squad and Partey getting injured the midfield was abysmal and there wasn’t much Gabriel could do in stopping goals from reaching back of the net. I’m sure if it was Mustafi and Luiz in same situation they would have been scapegoated, instead of pointing at the main culprit, MF.
Since ESR and the midfield being complemented by Partey we’ve kept 4 straight clean sheets without Gabriel. If this doesn’t point that defence wasn’t the main culprit I wonder what will.

Try and understand my point this is not about Gabriel.

Fkhalifa:
Heaven helps Gabriel Arsenal doesn't lose the next game he starts

blueraydick Just look at a typical example of what I’m talking about.

No one has said we lose cos of Gabriel. Rather what we are saying is even if you have 2 VVDs playing behind an abysmal midfield both VVDs will look average.

This is not difficult to understand unless there is agenda

BlueRayDick:


Well, u ended up not answering my question but we move sha!

David Luiz was calamitious in some notable matches, Papasthapopulous was just not good enough, Mustafi na dirty and Chambers is always injured.

A coach who doesn't want to lose his job will surely do something about that. It's just funny how we all forget about those dark nights when our defence gives up a lead after the attack has worked tirelessly to get a goal ahead.

E be like say one of these days maybe when I’m on leave I will do throwback Thursday here posting videos of what terrible defending did to us to refresh our brains. Maybe then we will understand why Arteta had to first prioritize freezing deadwoods like Papasthapopulous and Mustafi out and getting a good defender like Gabriel in

Lol... I did. But I gave an indirect answer. Anyways kokane has also spoken my mind too they way I would have loved it to be.

Anyways as you said we move. All is still for the betterment for arsenal

Fkhalifa:
Heaven helps Gabriel Arsenal doesn't lose the next game he starts

I'm not sure anybody here will attack Gabriel. Most people here acknowledge Gabriel is arguably our best defender if not the best, so attacking him cos of a loss will be sentimental

Jodera:
I'm not sure anybody here will attack Gabriel. Most people here acknowledge Gabriel is arguably our best defender if not the best, so attacking him cos of a loss will be sentimental

How he came about that point is still beyond me, even Spy as mischievous as he can be will not do that

Jodera:
I'm not sure anybody here will attack Gabriel. Most people here acknowledge Gabriel is arguably our best defender if not the best, so attacking him cos of a loss will be sentimental

I know!
But you can expect talks like " Arsenal losing and conceding 2 goals with Gabriel in the center half further buttress the point of us not needing a defender ahead of a midfielder/attacker".

I know such quotes could be harmless, but it'd sure hurt those who love and believe Gabriel has brought huge change to the teams defence.

kokanepyramid:

My assertion has always been that the midfield Emery paraded made our defence look terrible and defence was always scapegoated for the deficiencies of that midfield. Or why do u think I was hammering Guen instead of them Mustaffi and Luiz most peeps kept cursing game in game out. The defence looked better as soon as Arteta took over and made some changes in the midfield. We won Man-U in January and narrowly lost to Chelsea. If the video is during Emery era then it’s void based on my argument.

As u can see this season that without ESR in the squad and Partey getting injured the midfield was abysmal and there wasn’t much Gabriel could do in stopping goals from reaching back of the net. I’m sure if it was Mustafi and Luiz in same situation they would have been scapegoated, instead of pointing at the main culprit, MF.
Since ESR and the midfield being complemented by Partey we’ve kept 4 straight clean sheets without Gabriel. If this doesn’t point that defence wasn’t the main culprit I wonder what will.

Try and understand my point this is not about Gabriel.

U made it about Gabriel the moment u were moving the motion that Gabriel's buy wasn't necessary cos our defence was still manageable. This in fact is not true; we had so many nights we wished to forget beacuse our defence was poor.

I think it was against man city or so last season we were playing Conservative and all; Luiz comes in causes a goal and got a stupid red card.

Stupid Kolasinac also made us lose made us lose Tottenham playing LWB àbí na 4cking LCB sef.

If I was in Arteta's shoes at the slightest opportunity I will strengthen my defence first and then think of midfield ( This is exactly what Arteta did by buying Gabriel first and then signing Partey towards the end of the transfer Window and almost getting Auorar before the deal fell thru)

I will never fault Arteta's decision of strengthening defence first above other things.

BlueRayDick:


U made it about Gabriel the moment u were moving the motion that Gabriel's buy wasn't necessary cos our defence was still manageable. This in fact is not true; we had so many nights we wished to forget beacuse our defence was poor.

I think it was against man city or so last season we were playing Conservative and all; Luiz comes in causes a goal and got a stupid red card.

Stupid Kolasinac also made us lose made us lose Tottenham playing LWB àbí na 4cking LCB sef.

If I was in Arteta's shoes at the slightest opportunity I will strengthen my defence first and then think of midfield ( This is exactly what Arteta did by buying Gabriel first and then signing Partey towards the end of the transfer Window and almost getting Auorar before the deal fell thru)

I will never fault Arteta's decision of strengthening defence first above other things.

Why were we playing conservative against City, what did City possess and we lacked that made us take the conservative approach? There lies your answer bro.

Thank God ESR came to the rescue