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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jencejyde(m): 11:39am On Jan 19, 2021 |
kokanepyramid:Fair play! But for me I would only keep one of our current midfield as a squad player and be ruthless is selling the others if there is a player of immense and exceptional quality above them. As for Guen let's just hope he has a change of attitude cos all that anger nonsense will take him nowhere even if he has the skills. In fact I'd be willing to trade of 2 or more of our midfielders to get an elite AM not to come and stutter ESr development but to help the young lad learn and improve more. From a playing perspective and not on the actual role being played, I always look for 2 things . It's your jab and movement. Esr Thomas and Tieney have that in them naturally, I am not even going into specifics based on the roles they play but in generality here. Anytime Partey comes to receive or distribute the ball he his always moving, he is always on his toes making runs for that extra pass or to receive the ball, same thing with esr coupled with his disciplined one touch . KTs runs down the left channel all day is a worry for defenders and the boys engine is unbelievable. But Partey takes it a notch further with his weight of pass and consistency in delivery and awareness , these are unteachable. Quality like this is what we should strive for . As per defense we are covered and I must say well done to the board for making those purchases |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 12:46pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:02pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 4:02pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
kokanepyramid:Our attack has always been fair. It's the defending that got a massive improvement. Defending not defenders mind you. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 4:55pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Spy360:How’s this different from what I’ve been saying, was it not a change in midfield that propped up the defence? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by sod09(m): 4:56pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Liposure: 5:54pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
kokanepyramid:Its sad to see pepe on the bench. Who could have thought such a record signing would lose his place to an academy graduate |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 5:59pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
kokanepyramid:What change in midfield? Please tell. What's different is the defensive approach and tactical plan by Arteta. You could see it from the way we press from the front and the shape when not with the ball. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 6:13pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Spy360:but is it not the same defensive approach and tactical plan Arteta was using pre ESR, yet we dey collect? Even tho the scoreline then wasn't bad(I think it's only Aston Villa and Tottenham that scored us goal difference greater than 1), yet we never looked like scoring. Even the holding that was branded average is keeping clean sheet week in week out presently, same with either Mari/Luiz. That's to tell you the tweak in a good Am worked, which was change in midfield, cos the defensive approach was already there since. Maybe you have a different idea of defence wins you league/game from the way we (myself, kokane and sod) understand it. Cos I think that's where the issue is stemming from |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 6:18pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Liposure:It's not sad to see Pepe on the bench oo, even tho nobody at first thought that an academy player will bench him I just think he's not cut out for EPL or perhaps his great season at lille(last season at lille) was just an outstanding season for him, cos that's the highest he's ever scored in his career a season... His previous seasons were mostly poor to average. So maybe, just maybe we don fall for bad investment. No wonder he shines at Europa, but he rarely replicates such in the league 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 7:34pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Jodera:This is not what I am arguing about. I have already stated that ESR as an AM have kind of completed the puzzle, and that's why we have been creating chances and scoring goals. But the other side of things for me has been the biggest achievement of Arteta. Making us defensively solid. That defensive solidity is what served as the foundation for the impact ESR as the AM or any person for that matter has made. It's the reason we are ascending fast. This is as a result of tactical approach (defensive structure) not personnel involvement. You can see that I was spot on when I speculated that any AM will change the fortune of this team. But I was able to see that then despite our poor form because I saw how good we were defensively right from the start of the season. Its so difficult to score against us now. So it's our defensive strength that has made us strong and able to climb up the league table. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 7:41pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
He said he was spot on, few syllables later he said he speculated. Spy u no go kill person fcking tortoise Spy360: |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 7:44pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Spy360:Ok, I get your point now perfectly, and I wholly agree with you. So do you agree with kokane especially with your explanations that we didn't need Gabriel signing since the structure is already there it'll make any good defender thrive? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 7:58pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Jodera: Who are the good defenders we had last season? We had Luiz that would either drop disaster class along with Mustafi, Holding and Papa who both seem to be all brawns and less brain. I watched almost all our matches last season ( except for a few when I'm either stuck in traffic on my way home or when I'm out of town), I was also here making and reading comments about how useless our defenders were. Towards the end of the season we bought an injured Pablo Mari whose YouTube video looks good but nobody knows how he's going to turn out especially when he played less than 3 games( I don't know if I'm correct but I know he played few games) before his 6 months initial loan expired. Now tell me if u were Arteta with Ur defence looking exactly like what I described up there, will u neglect the defence and focus on attack? I want to check something |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 8:10pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:Wetin u won check Be like Na the trending line be that for here now ![]() ![]() |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 8:12pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 8:16pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Spy360:I have dropped the matter before some will misquote it to mean hatred for Gabriel. I’m still trying to redeem myself from Guen’s own I’ve made my points clear on this matter already, no need over-flogging it. Let’s enjoy the new form. Finally |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 8:32pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:Well one thing I do know is that I was advocating for strong midfield and attack. I believe in the proponent that if your midfield and attack is very good, with good structural and organizational play and positioning, it would cover 90-95% of your defence. I also believe that the reason why we drifting away from top 4 season in season out is because of our below par midfielders and attackers compared to different eras of arsenal. Then once those two are sorted, then we can now think of defence in order to win the league. Mind you, I don't believe that our cbs are below par(taking aside mari and Gabriel), maybe sokratis and mustafi. So I believe a good midfield and attack would have covered them. I know we might have different views and that is not bad, but at least from my explanations you'll know what I would have done if I'm in Arteta's shoes. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 8:35pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 9:10pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Jodera: Well, u ended up not answering my question but we move sha! David Luiz was calamitious in some notable matches, Papasthapopulous was just not good enough, Mustafi na dirty and Chambers is always injured. A coach who doesn't want to lose his job will surely do something about that. It's just funny how we all forget about those dark nights when our defence gives up a lead after the attack has worked tirelessly to get a goal ahead. E be like say one of these days maybe when I’m on leave I will do throwback Thursday here posting videos of what terrible defending did to us to refresh our brains. Maybe then we will understand why Arteta had to first prioritize freezing deadwoods like Papasthapopulous and Mustafi out and getting a good defender like Gabriel in |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 9:25pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Jodera:We needed to do away with the likes of Socrates and Mustafi. They were no longer good enough to play for us. So we needed replacements. Mari was injured, same with Chambers. It was urgent. Gabriel came for 20m at his age. Good defender, such a bargain. He fitted in well. But it's the tactical approach that made the difference. We won the FA cup with that approach and without Gabriel. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 9:25pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:Ensure they are videos from Arteta era, |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 9:33pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
kokanepyramid: My videos will be pre-Gabriel Era cos it is Gabriel’s buy that has been subject to argument |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 10:05pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Heaven helps Gabriel Arsenal doesn't lose the next game he starts ![]() |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 10:10pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:My assertion has always been that the midfield Emery paraded made our defence look terrible and defence was always scapegoated for the deficiencies of that midfield. Or why do u think I was hammering Guen instead of them Mustaffi and Luiz most peeps kept cursing game in game out. The defence looked better as soon as Arteta took over and made some changes in the midfield. We won Man-U in January and narrowly lost to Chelsea. If the video is during Emery era then it’s void based on my argument. As u can see this season that without ESR in the squad and Partey getting injured the midfield was abysmal and there wasn’t much Gabriel could do in stopping goals from reaching back of the net. I’m sure if it was Mustafi and Luiz in same situation they would have been scapegoated, instead of pointing at the main culprit, MF. Since ESR and the midfield being complemented by Partey we’ve kept 4 straight clean sheets without Gabriel. If this doesn’t point that defence wasn’t the main culprit I wonder what will. Try and understand my point this is not about Gabriel. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 10:14pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Fkhalifa: blueraydick Just look at a typical example of what I’m talking about. No one has said we lose cos of Gabriel. Rather what we are saying is even if you have 2 VVDs playing behind an abysmal midfield both VVDs will look average. This is not difficult to understand unless there is agenda |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:20pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:Lol... I did. But I gave an indirect answer. Anyways kokane has also spoken my mind too they way I would have loved it to be. Anyways as you said we move. All is still for the betterment for arsenal |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:23pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Fkhalifa:I'm not sure anybody here will attack Gabriel. Most people here acknowledge Gabriel is arguably our best defender if not the best, so attacking him cos of a loss will be sentimental |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 10:29pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Jodera:How he came about that point is still beyond me, even Spy as mischievous as he can be will not do that |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 10:31pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
Jodera:I know! But you can expect talks like " Arsenal losing and conceding 2 goals with Gabriel in the center half further buttress the point of us not needing a defender ahead of a midfielder/attacker". I know such quotes could be harmless, but it'd sure hurt those who love and believe Gabriel has brought huge change to the teams defence. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 10:32pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
kokanepyramid: U made it about Gabriel the moment u were moving the motion that Gabriel's buy wasn't necessary cos our defence was still manageable. This in fact is not true; we had so many nights we wished to forget beacuse our defence was poor. I think it was against man city or so last season we were playing Conservative and all; Luiz comes in causes a goal and got a stupid red card. Stupid Kolasinac also made us lose made us lose Tottenham playing LWB àbí na 4cking LCB sef. If I was in Arteta's shoes at the slightest opportunity I will strengthen my defence first and then think of midfield ( This is exactly what Arteta did by buying Gabriel first and then signing Partey towards the end of the transfer Window and almost getting Auorar before the deal fell thru) I will never fault Arteta's decision of strengthening defence first above other things. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 10:35pm On Jan 19, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: Why were we playing conservative against City, what did City possess and we lacked that made us take the conservative approach? There lies your answer bro. Thank God ESR came to the rescue |
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