Is it possible for Lille to come take Gabriel back and return our 30M so that people can sleep well at night..

At this point, the arguments I am reading are quite petty despite attempts to say otherwise, you and your ilks are obviously scapegoating Gabriel and it is quite distasteful.

Fkhalifa:

I know!
But you can expect talks like " Arsenal losing and conceding 2 goals with Gabriel in the center half further buttress the point of us not needing a defender ahead of a midfielder/attacker".

I know such quotes could be harmless, but it'd sure hurt those who love and believe Gabriel has brought huge change to the teams defence.

This is the distasteful part that buttresses the scapegoating.. The intention to scapegoat is obvious.. At this point, they would even pray Gab suffers a bad game so they can say “I told you so”.

kokanepyramid:

How he came about that point is still beyond me, even Spy as mischievous as he can be will not do that

Fkhalifa:

I know!
But you can expect talks like " Arsenal losing and conceding 2 goals with Gabriel in the center half further buttress the point of us not needing a defender ahead of a midfielder/attacker".

I know such quotes could be harmless, but it'd sure hurt those who love and believe Gabriel has brought huge change to the teams defence.

Hmmm...

As long as we still maintain this midfield and attack we've been parading this past few weeks, then I don't think anyone would want to say that.

Jodera:
Hmmm...

As long as we still maintain this midfield and attack we've been parading this past few weeks, then I don't think anyone would want to say that.

But if we don’t, Gab plays and we lose then we should expect Gab is going to be scapegoated?

BlueRayDick:


U made it about Gabriel the moment u were moving the motion that Gabriel's buy wasn't necessary cos our defence was still manageable.

No! My statement was buying a defender wasn’t more important than buying an AM, irrespective of who the defender is, that’s the difference. If I was propping another defender against Gabriel then your point would have been valid. Buying a defender wasn’t as important as solving the AM issue results have proven this, it’s not theory it’s practical. Happening before our very eyes.

Roland17:


This is the distasteful part that buttresses the scapegoating.. The intention to scapegoat is obvious.. At this point, they would even pray Gab suffers a bad game so they can say “I told you so”.

Lol... I think you're taking it too far tbh.

Jodera:
Hmmm...

As long as we still maintain this midfield and attack we've been parading this past few weeks, then I don't think anyone would want to say that.

even when we lost no one did, it’s just agenda to turn amala. At the time I was still pointing at the AM issue being the clog in our wheel defensively and attackwise. I never blamed him for the goals we conceded. But I’m sure if it was a Mustaffi/Luiz partnership same time same scenario I’m sure most of em would have scapegoated them. There lies the hypocrisy.

Roland17:


But if we don’t, Gab plays and we lose then we should expect Gab is going to be scapegoated?

I don't remember anybody personally scapegoating Gabriel this season cos we lost. All what we're saying is that we needed an Am.

Nobody have scapegoatted Gabriel for any loss.

Jodera:
Lol... I think you're taking it too far tbh.

But it’s not too far if Gab rejoins the team and we lose despite the midfield/ attack remaining the same?

Jodera:
I don't remember anybody personally scapegoating Gabriel this season cos we lost. All what we're saying is that we needed an Am.

Nobody have scapegoatted Gabriel for any loss.

Oh stop it.. Go back and read comments during this run when he has been out and the team has conceded one goal. There is a comment every game!

kokanepyramid:
even when we lost no one did, it’s just agenda to turn amala. At the time I was still pointing at the AM issue being the clog in our wheel defensively and attackwise. I never blamed him for the goals we conceded. But I’m sure if it was a Mustaffi/Luiz partnership same time same scenario I’m sure most of em would have scapegoated them. There lies the hypocrisy.

lol... It's really surprising saying some of us are scapegoating or will scapegoat Gabriel. That has never been our intention in all our discussions

Roland17:


Oh stop it.. Go back and read comments during this run when he has been out and the team has conceded one goal. There is a comment every game!

cos of lack of Am. We were always exposed in midfield and barely created chances. Even as Gabriel was our very best and shining light, that didn't still stop us from conceding, that was the issues we had.

Even you then was saying you don't understand how all our players are playing that bad. Most of us criticised the system and Arteta, or prioritizing defence over Am. No one attacked Gabriel's play

Roland17:


But it’s not too far if Gab rejoins the team and we lose despite the midfield/ attack remaining the same?

we've gotten our Am in Esr.

Nobody will criticize anybody even if we lose cos we've already gotten our system and first eleven set.

If you even notice, most of us still want Gabriel to return back to the first 11 cos we acknowledge he's the best among the bunch

about the gab issue, i think he is saying his signing didnt have much influence on the defense because we still had the same midfield. He is saying the moment the midfield chnaged, it affected and complemented the defence. he is just saying even with ramos and vvd as how cbs we would still chop in goals.

BlackSheep10:
about the gab issue, i think he is saying his signing didnt have much influence on the defense because we still had the same midfield. He is saying the moment the midfield chnaged, it affected and complemented the defence. he is just saying even with ramos and vvd as how cbs we would still chop in goals.

I don’t know how this was difficult to understand for anyone. I even used VVD in my analogy yet it was I’m scapegoating Gabriel.

Agenda must agenda

If we are to analyze the impact on the new midfield prior to the old one on our defense, we should check the numbers of shot targeted against us. if it has now reduced then we can say the midfield setup or probably the midfielders are really doing a good job but it is still in the same range we concede shot at us then the credit goes to the defenders or defence set up.

BlackSheep10:
If we are to analyze the impact on the new midfield prior to the old one on our defense, we should check the numbers of shot targeted against us. if it has now reduced then we can say the midfield setup or probably the midfielders are really doing a good job but it is still in the same range we concede shot at us then the credit goes to the defenders or defence set up.

You can’t be bombarding defenders with shots, leaving them open at all times and expect me to blame them for conceding. This has always been my philosophy.
Reason I was a bit tolerant of em Mustaffi and Luiz gaffes during Emery, me that tolerated those two would now scapegoat Gabriel.

If you look at the additions in the starting squad ESR (AM), Partey (DM), Gabriel (CB) and you have to drop one of them who would you drop? Your answer tells you the player with the least impact. It takes nothing from his quality though. This was how I arrived at my stance.

kokanepyramid:

No! My statement was buying a defender wasn’t more important than buying an AM, irrespective of who the defender is, that’s the difference. If I was propping another defender against Gabriel then your point would have been valid. Buying a defender wasn’t as important as solving the AM issue results have proven this, it’s not theory it’s practical. Happening before our very eyes.

Ur point would've been valid if the defender that was signed ( Gabriel is his name) hadn't been voted our player of the month three straight times ( September, October and November)

You see, from day one u have pushed the argument that we need not add a defender despite how woeful our defence had been in the past, but Arteta who knows what he sees when he looks at our available CB's decided to strengthen that position first.

I stand by Arteta's decision because when the defender he brought in ( Gabriel) played, the defender won 3 straight player of the month. That alone should tell u his decision was a sensible one.

Now he's give Smith Rowe a chance and it's paying off for the team because we are stronger defensively and we have more options. Like Roland17 said maybe if Lille comes back and take their guy and we have injury challenge that forces us to go back to Mustafi - Luiz defence we will understand what Arteta has done.

This argument is going cyclical and I'm tired already. I think I will hang my boot here please

BlueRayDick:


Ur point would've been valid if the defender that was signed ( Gabriel is his name) hadn't been voted our player of the month three straight times ( September, October and November)

You see, from day one u have pushed the argument that we need not add a defender despite how woeful our defence had been in the past, but Arteta who knows what he sees when he looks at our available CB's decided to strengthen that position first.

I stand by Arteta's decision because when the defender he brought in ( Gabriel) played, the defender won 3 straight player of the month. That alone should tell u his decision was a sensible one.

Now he's give Smith Rowe a chance and it's paying off for the team because we are stronger defensively and we have more options. Like Roland17 said maybe if Lille comes back and take their guy and we have injury challenge that forces us to go back to Mustafi - Luiz defence we will understand what Arteta has done.

This argument is going cyclical and I'm tired already. I think I will hang my boot here please

Unless the defender hasn’t played and no one has blamed anyone in defence cos the midfield is better now.

Fellow let's do this


https://www.nairaland.com/6370776/football-talks-trolls-taunts-thread#98205998

BlackSheep10:
If we are to analyze the impact on the new midfield prior to the old one on our defense, we should check the numbers of shot targeted against us. if it has now reduced then we can say the midfield setup or probably the midfielders are really doing a good job but it is still in the same range we concede shot at us then the credit goes to the defenders or defence set up.

Thank you bro.

Succinctly put!!

BlueRayDick:


Ur point would've been valid if the defender that was signed ( Gabriel is his name) hadn't been voted our player of the month three straight times ( September, October and November)

You see, from day one u have pushed the argument that we need not add a defender despite how woeful our defence had been in the past, but Arteta who knows what he sees when he looks at our available CB's decided to strengthen that position first.

I stand by Arteta's decision because when the defender he brought in ( Gabriel) played, the defender won 3 straight player of the month. That alone should tell u his decision was a sensible one.

Now he's give Smith Rowe a chance and it's paying off for the team because we are stronger defensively and we have more options. Like Roland17 said maybe if Lille comes back and take their guy and we have injury challenge that forces us to go back to Mustafi - Luiz defence we will understand what Arteta has done.

This argument is going cyclical and I'm tired already. I think I will hang my boot here please

Not one of them raised a voice in discontent when Mari’s loan was made permanent, when we extended Luiz’s contract by a year, made Soares’s loan permanent, extended Holding, offered to extend Mustafi s contract but immediately it comes to Gab, they will remind you of how much he cost and that is where lies the hypocrisy and amala turning they are serving themselves.

They will forget we did other businesses other than Gab including the defense. They will tell you the money should have been added to get Aouar, the same player who agreed to join Arsenal until his brother scuppered the deal, but somehow, it is Gab’s fault that he was bought for 30M..We triggered Partey’s clause, baba agreed and turned down other offers like Gab because his mind was set at Arsenal..no hassle..Then turn around again and say they are not scapegoating the player... how hypocritical..

It’s January and we are no longer chasing Aouar because his form has dropped and some off the field issues. The same club chased Coutinho but baba refused to join because he wants to play in the UCL.. How about Szoboszlai? Did we make any offer? But they are choosing to slide all of that pretend like nothing is happening!

How about Buendia? Norwich have come out explicitly to say they have no plans to sell their prized asset this season. Arsenal have not made any formal approach for the guy who would cost around 40-50M to get.. but they will you Gab’s money could have been useful in getting him.. I detest pettiness especially when folks pretend like they don’t see what they are doing. I am not sure they even read what they post at this point to see how contradictory they are!!

If Gab is a luxury needed, can we ask Pep and City to come take him please, better still beg Lille to refund us our money.. I am tired of this pettiness. They will come here and tell you it’s not about Gabi specific but scroll through the pages of our recent victories and see the obvious scapegoating.

If this was a honest conversation devoid of scapegoating, I would have concurred and understood their perspective. Go back and read their comments: comments when this argument first started, to our 5 game unbeaten run and compare it to the amala turning they are dishing now.

I told them the last time that they won and I hope we sell Gab in the summer and move on from him.. We need to sell Gabriel Magalhaes and fast...

Jodera:
I don't remember anybody personally scapegoating Gabriel this season cos we lost. All what we're saying is that we needed an Am.

Nobody have scapegoatted Gabriel for any loss.

It’s not about scapegoating him for any loss..

ITS ABOUT SCAPEGOATING HIM FOR OUR INABILITY TO RECRUIT/ REINFORCE OTHER DEPARTMENTS SPECIFICALLY THE MIDFIELD/ATTACK BECAUSE HE IS A LUXURY TO YOU GUYS AND THE MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ELSEWHERE!

IT IS CALLED SCAPEGOATING!

You guys can’t turn this amala!!! This argument did not start today! This is not about wins/ losses.. even though we are seeing it head towards that direction..it’s about the fact that Arsenal spent money on a defender and did not get an AM, not because they did not chase many but none clicked.. it’s not about the fact that we resigned Ceballos who is languishing on the bench receiving free money or Willian who had no business playing for Arsenal at 32 on a 100K/ week.

That is the difference! If we don’t get an AM, it is Gab’s fault because the money could have been topped on other players and kidnap them to join Arsenal.

We have folks here that said they would have been content if Arsenal did not sign Gab and did not reinforce the midfield or attack! So what is that called? If that is not scapegoating then I don’t know what it is!

Comments are littered on this thread!

Everyone, please take a look at the wage distribution of our current team. Saka our most important offensive threat is 30K/ week for those wondering!!!!Tell me what you see abeg!!!

Scroll to the bottom of the list and you would see say Na ontop 50K/ week wen Gab dey earn na him dey cause all this insult!!

You guys don’t want this smoke with the amala you are turning.

Arsenal please sell Gabriel so we can have peace!

If u are hearing an awkward sound at the right front end of ur car when u get into bumps. Instead of carrying out a proper RCA (Root Cause Analysis) you hurriedly concluded it’s the suspension system. Went ahead and replaced the parts with brand new ones. Sound persists after the said replacement each time u drive. Only for u to find out the engine seat on that side of the car is the culprit.

If you were on a tight budget and planning a trip with that car, do you think you have spent wisely? Does this take away the quality of the new suspension you installed?

Reason I used the word paucity of funds during the transfer window. The two main priority for us was AM and DM. Results and performance have proven, spending on a defender wasn’t a priority as we haven’t used him in games now and we’ve been fine since the arrival of ESR and Partey. It’s simple logic, if something is important its absence will be felt. Gabriel’s absence ain’t felt in the team. This is visible to the blind.

Anyhow u decide to process this info is not my business

kokanepyramid:

My assertion has always been that the midfield Emery paraded made our defence look terrible and defence was always scapegoated for the deficiencies of that midfield. Or why do u think I was hammering Guen instead of them Mustaffi and Luiz most peeps kept cursing game in game out. The defence looked better as soon as Arteta took over and made some changes in the midfield. We won Man-U in January and narrowly lost to Chelsea. If the video is during Emery era then it’s void based on my argument.

As u can see this season that without ESR in the squad and Partey getting injured the midfield was abysmal and there wasn’t much Gabriel could do in stopping goals from reaching back of the net. I’m sure if it was Mustafi and Luiz in same situation they would have been scapegoated, instead of pointing at the main culprit, MF.
Since ESR and the midfield being complemented by Partey we’ve kept 4 straight clean sheets without Gabriel. If this doesn’t point that defence wasn’t the main culprit I wonder what will.

Try and understand my point this is not about Gabriel.

Neither is it ESR or Partey. How many games have Partey played for us? Probably Monday was his only win. How did ESR's one touch football made Holding world class?

It's not about the personnel but the overall approach Arteta has instilled on our play. Good players helped but as we have seen no player can hold the mic as the one responsible for our recent performances.

Arteta gave priority to defense. He understands that giving attention to strong defending will definitely give you the chance to win any match by the lowest of margins.

Spy360:


Arteta gave priority to defense. He understands that giving attention to strong defending will definitely give you the chance to win any match by the lowest of margins.

How May matches did we win prior to ESR? what was our win rate prior to ESR?. You’ve forgotten so soon we were breaking terrible records. We were sinking so fast it took ESR to prevent us from touching the Mariana Trench.

Roland17:


Not one of them raised a voice in discontent when Mari’s loan was made permanent, when we extended Luiz’s contract by a year, made Soares’s loan permanent, extended Holding, offered to extend Mustafi s contract but immediately it comes to Gab, they will remind you of how much he cost and that is where lies the hypocrisy and amala turning they are serving themselves.

They will forget we did other businesses other than Gab including the defense. They will tell you the money should have been added to get Aouar, the same player who agreed to join Arsenal until his brother scuppered the deal, but somehow, it is Gab’s fault that he was bought for 30M..We triggered Partey’s clause, baba agreed and turned down other offers like Gab because his mind was set at Arsenal..no hassle..Then turn around again and say they are not scapegoating the player... how hypocritical..

It’s January and we are no longer chasing Aouar because his form has dropped and some off the field issues. The same club chased Coutinho but baba refused to join because he wants to play in the UCL.. How about Szoboszlai? Did we make any offer? But they are choosing to slide all of that pretend like nothing is happening!

How about Buendia? Norwich have come out explicitly to say they have no plans to sell their prized asset this season. Arsenal have not made any formal approach for the guy who would cost around 40-50M to get.. but they will you Gab’s money could have been useful in getting him.. I detest pettiness especially when folks pretend like they don’t see what they are doing. I am not sure they even read what they post at this point to see how contradictory they are!!

If Gab is a luxury needed, can we ask Pep and City to come take him please, better still beg Lille to refund us our money.. I am tired of this pettiness. They will come here and tell you it’s not about Gabi specific but scroll through the pages of our recent victories and see the obvious scapegoating.

If this was a honest conversation devoid of scapegoating, I would have concurred and understood their perspective. Go back and read their comments: comments when this argument first started, to our 5 game unbeaten run and compare it to the amala turning they are dishing now.

I told them the last time that they won and I hope we sell Gab in the summer and move on from him.. We need to sell Gabriel Magalhaes and fast...

Honestly it’s irking seeing those comments every now and then. I begin to wonder if these were the same people we all camped here together complaining of how terrible our defense was and even called them clowns for their comical defence .

I think what happened with this their scapegoating is a clear testament to the fact that humans can never be pleased( especially football fans )

kokanepyramid:

No! My statement was buying a defender wasn’t more important than buying an AM, irrespective of who the defender is, that’s the difference. If I was propping another defender against Gabriel then your point would have been valid. Buying a defender wasn’t as important as solving the AM issue results have proven this, it’s not theory it’s practical. Happening before our very eyes.

You are talking 'AM' now because of ESR performance. What has been your view all these while? It is not DM? Chai!

kokanepyramid:

Ensure they are videos from Arteta era,

Exactly
I want to check something too
5 straight CS with no Gaby, what a fvcking coincidence
I have always say it that a good midfield will reduce pressure on your defence i used Barca era when pinto(hair stylist) Valdez and clown like Mathieu was in defence and still win league
I used when arsenal keeper won the golden glove with per and Kos in defence then recently best defender in the league VVD chop 7 because his normal pressing midfielders were missing
Na here we they na we go blame Gabriel tire
All of a sudden luiz and holding that commit error now find a way to defend well and keep him on bench?