...refuses her to come do CHILD DEDICATION again because it's against the rules and regulations of their Church but she could come do just THANKSGIVING.


Will it not be better for her to just forget the thanksgiving too than to go and ridicule herself?

To hell with the pastor.

Who he epp?

If the parents of the baby were not legally married the church should not punish the baby for it.

mabeni:
...refuses her to come do CHILD DEDICATION because it's against the rules and regulations of their Church but she could come do just THANKSGIVING.


Will it not be better for her to just forget the thanksgiving too than to go and ridicule herself?

Refused to name their child and refused to do dedication are two different things.

Anyways, the Pastor is religious not spiritual.

Golan007:
To hell with the pastor.

Who he epp?

You can't say to hell with the pastor.There are rules in Church(just as with any organisation).

thorpido:
You can't say to hell with the pastor

To hell with the pastor.

Do you need anybody's help in naming your own child?
Dedication is to the lord and not to the pastor.

thorpido:
You can't say to hell with the pastor.There are rules in Church(just as with any organisation).

Does not doing naming or dedication reverse the fornication committed or the child birthed?

Is that not an opportunity to call the parents and advise them to wed?

Thanks giving brings money into the store house... Remember it's the same none legally married couple who are coming to give thanks....

Obviously naming the innocent child is against the 'rules' because.. (just complete the sentence)

The question is, is the church of Christ excluding or bringing sinners to Christ or to God? which I believe was the original commission. They are running it now like money making organisation with stiff rules that will benefit the organisation but not the lost sheep.

Golan007:


To hell with the pastor.

Do you need anybody's help in naming your own child?
Dedication is to the lord and not to the pastor.

...and why did they approach the church in the first place?
They should have just done it on their own.

Is naming same as dedication? No



What would be done at the thanksgiving that won't be done at dedication? Not much I think Probably the title will be thanksgiving instead of dedication. As long as the child is presented before the altar of God and prayed for no ish.

bukatyne:


Does not doing naming or dedication reverse the fornication committed or the child birthed?

Is that not an opportunity to call the parents and advise them to wed?

They do that.Usually the parents are counselled and they are given an explanation why they can't do the dedication.It is to serve as a deterrent.
They are usually given the opportunity to come for thanksgivings later.
An official from the church can still go to their house and dedicate the child.

thorpido:
They do that.Usually the parents are counselled and they are given an explanation why they can't do the dedication.It is to serve as a deterrent.
They are usually given the opportunity to come for thanksgivings later.
An official from the church can still go to their house and dedicate the child.

Child dedication is dedicating the child to God abi?

Why don't the pastors let God decide not to accept the child?

thorpido:
...and why did they approach the church in the first place?
They should have just done it on their own.

That's the error in their judgement.

Who pastor epp?

bukatyne:


Refused to name their child and refused to do dedication are two different things.

Anyways, the Pastor is religious not spiritual.

i know. They refused to name her child and still refused her to come do CHILD DEDICATION in the church. They said she can only do THANKSGIVING.

mabeni:
i know. They refused to name her child and still refused her to come do CHILD DEDICATION in the church. They said she can only do THANKSGIVING.

For the naming, is the child fatherless or were pastors called to name children in the Bible?

The couple should ask for forgiveness with the father leading and ask God for the child's name.

After forty or ninety days (depending on their belief), fast and dedicate the child to God in prayers.

bukatyne:


Does not doing naming or dedication reverse the fornication committed or the child birthed?

Is that not an opportunity to call the parents and advise them to wed?

Funny thing is that she did introduction and the Pastor is aware of it. And in all honesty the guy's wants to marry her

mabeni:
Funny thing is that she did introduction and the Pastor is aware of it. And in all honesty the guy's wants to marry her

Whether the man is marrying her or not is outside the scope of this discussion.

Or does the couple want to wait until they wed before their child is named and dedicated?

bukatyne:


For the naming, is the child fatherless or were pastors called to name children in the Bible?

The couple should ask for forgiveness with the father leading and ask God for the child's name.

After forty or ninety days (depending on their belief), fast and dedicate the child to God in prayers.

the father of the baby does not go to church. Although, he's a good man. He so much believes in self righteousness. And takes good care of his wife and baby.

He had instructed his wife not to go for the Thanksgiving but the lady does not want to listen to him. He made her know he's not going with her.

bukatyne:


Child dedication is dedicating the child to God abi?

Why don't the pastors let God decide not to accept the child?

Whether God accepts the child or not is God's prerogative.
However,there are church rules that people have to follow and these have been set out.A couple where the lady is pregnant for example will not be wedded in church.They can still marry and come for thanksgiving later.
The same with child dedications.The ceremony will not be done in church but can be done at home.They can bring the baby later for thanksgiving.

mabeni:
the father of the baby does not go to church. Although, he's a good man. He so much believes in self righteousness. And takes good care of his wife and baby.

He had instructed his wife not to go for the Thanksgiving but the lady does not want to listen to him. He made her know he's not going with her.

What does he believe in spiritually?

Self righteousness? So the woman is an alleged Christian (concerned enough to crave naming & dedication in the church) yet could not find fellow 'Christian' to fornicate with?

She should carry her cross mbok.

thorpido:
Whether God accepts the child or not is God's prerogative.
However,there are church rules that people have to follow and these have been set out.A couple where the lady is pregnant for example will not be wedded in church.They can still marry and come for thanksgiving later.
The same with child dedications.The ceremony will not be done in church but can be done at home.They can bring the baby later for thanksgiving.

What is the benefit of the Church rule? What were they trying to achieve?

Would it be better if the lady got pregnant and aborted it?

I think some churches do vestry wedding for pregnant couples.

bukatyne:


Whether the man is marrying her or not is outside the scope of this discussion.

Or does the couple want to wait until they wed before their child is named and dedicated?

another pastor from different church alright named the child.

The issue now is. The child dedication would been in 7 days time but the lady discussed it with her Pastor, he made her to know she can't still do the dedication in their because she's not legally married but she could come do just THANKSGIVING.

Her husband does not go to church and has warned her against going for the thanksgiving but she doesn't want to listen to him.

bukatyne:


What does he believe in spiritually?

Self righteousness? So the woman is an alleged Christian (concerned enough to crave naming & dedication in the church) yet could not find fellow 'Christian' to fornicate with?

She should carry her cross mbok.

no. You are getting it wrong. The guy is also a Christian but stopped going to church for reasons best known to him.

In all honesty, the guy in question is a good person. He does not smoke, drink womanize and treats his wife well.

Sometimes, not going church doesn't make people bad.

mabeni:
another pastor from different church alright named the child.

The issue now is. The child dedication would been in 7 days time but the lady discussed it with her Pastor, he made her to know she can't still do the dedication in their because she's not legally married but she could come do just THANKSGIVING.

Her husband does not go to church and has warned her against going for the thanksgiving but she doesn't want to listen to him.

Is the father pissed they would not do dedication or he doesn't want to go to church at all?

If the mother knew the father is not a church goer, is there any reason she is insisting he comes with her?

mabeni:
...refuses her to come do CHILD DEDICATION again because it's against the rules and regulations of their Church but she could come do just THANKSGIVING.


Will it not be better for her to just forget the thanksgiving too than to go and ridicule herself?


Funny thing is that she did introduction and the Pastor is aware of it. And in all honesty the guy's wants to marry her...

It doesn't matter how your baby was born, every newborn deserves recognition and love.
If your pastor cannot see beyond church doctrine, then leave, don't put yourself under extra punishment.
If you've repented of your errors, then forgive yourself after God has forgiven you.
Peace.

bukatyne:


What is the benefit of the Church rule? What were they trying to achieve?

Would it be better if the lady got pregnant and aborted it?

I think some churches do vestry wedding for pregnant couples.

To discourage fornication.
What they are saying is,if you get pregnant,go and do your traditional wedding.Come as a couple later for thanksgiving.

mabeni:
no. You are getting it wrong. The guy is also a Christian but stopped going to church for reasons best known to him.

In all honesty, the guy in question is a good person. He does not smoke, drink womanize and treats his wife well.

Sometimes, not going church doesn't make people bad.

You are the guy abi?

I like how you are selling your self.

If the good guy is a Christian, he knows he should not forsake the gathering of the brethren.

His unwillingness to attend the thanksgiving speaks volumes.

He doesn't believe in God anymore and unwilling to compromise (Not a sign of a good man if you ask me).

bukatyne:


Is the father pissed they would not do dedication or he doesn't want to go to church at all?

If the mother knew the father is not a church goer, is there any reason she is insisting he comes with her?

she knows he doesn't go to church. Like i said earlier, the guy is a good person. He treats her well, doesn't smoke, doesn't, drink and do not cheat on her.

thorpido:
To discourage fornication.

Nope.

Most couples fornicate and destroy the evidence.

It is teaching them to steal and clean mouth.