When I consider what humanity have been through in the hand of religion, I wish there would be a world without religion.

Think about the history of the Roman Catholic Church. Think about the murder of Vanini, of Servetus, etc.

Think about the massacre of St Bartholomew. Think about the establishment of the Holy Inquisition. Think about the conquest of Africa, the exportation of its natives to the countries of Europe. Think about the scourge, the chains, that were used to export our helpless and conquered ancestors to Europe and Asia.

Think about all these and tell me if the world wouldn't have been a better place without religion.

Think about the jihads of the sword carried out by some Islamic extremists. Think about the calamities the world have suffered in the hands of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, etc.

These are the offspring of religion, of superstition, of fundamentalism, and of fanaticism.

Think about all these and you would admit that a world without religion will be better off for the human race.

Religion bring nothing but division, acrimony, hatred, animosity, and mutual destruction.

Religion has divided the world between the saved and the damned, the believers and the unbelievers, the faithful and the infidels.

Of what use have the various religions been to the human race? Nothing, except fomenting anarchy, hatred and animosity.

The world would be a better place without RELIGION.

RELIGION is a disease that have infected the majority of human kind.

Religion has set boundaries for man and his actions ; it is the bedrock of his moral codes and laws which give definition to right and wrong. A world without religion will be a world without conscience, law and order.

Sorry it's not religion per say but Politics, false religion just happens to be one out of many instruments in the hands of politicians!

God's word (Bible) revealed how these troubles started from inception, according to that book (Bible) the right to distinguish between what is good and what is evil belongs only to God, mankind just need learn from God how to set the Perfect standard that will guide us to having a peaceful and secured society.
Sadly the first human pair chose to snatch that from God and that's what led to all these troubles we're experiencing today

Adam and Eve want to be like God (setting the standard for right and wrong) so they committed the first murderous act by eating what will lead to their death and ever since then death became inevitable so whether a person grew old or not, murdered or not, infected or not, chose to be good or not we will all die!

Now majority of mankind are following Adam's trait so by all means they want to rule others and that's why they're employing all means false religion, racism, money, eloquence, fame and so on are all the things politicians are using to gain power.

True Christians don't take part in Politics so the killings you're talking about doesn't come from the hands of true Christians but politicians using false religion as a cover!

Shelumiel:
Religion has set boundaries for man and his actions ; it is the bedrock of his moral codes and laws which give definition to right and wrong. A world without religion will be a world without conscience, law and order.

I quite disagree with you sir

What about countries with low religion affiliation? You know how they are faring compare to the so called religious ones. Even without so called conscience, law and order

reccy:


I quite disagree with you sir

What about countries with low religion affiliation? You know how they are faring compare to the so called religious ones. Even without so called conscience, law and order

Name the countries. And do not tell me China and North Korea...

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry it's not religion per say but Politics, false religion just happens to be one out of many instruments in the hands of politicians!

God's word (Bible) revealed how these troubles started from inception, according to that book (Bible) the right to distinguish between what is good and what is evil belongs only to God, mankind just need learn from God how to set the Perfect standard that will guide us to having a peaceful and secured society.
Sadly the first human pair chose to snatch that from God and that's what led to all these troubles we're experiencing today

Adam and Eve want to be like God (setting the standard for right and wrong) so they committed the first murderous act by eating what will lead to their death and ever since then death became inevitable so whether a person grew old or not, murdered or not, infected or not, chose to be good or not we will all die!

Now majority of mankind are following Adam's trait so by all means they want to rule others and that's why they're employing all means false religion, racism, money, eloquence, fame and so on are all the things politicians are using to gain power.

True Christians don't take part in Politics so the killings you're talking about doesn't come from the hands of true Christians but politicians using false religion as a cover!

Your last paragraph, can we say the same to muslims and islam?

In the second paragraph, and God allows them?

Shelumiel:
Name the countries. And do not tell me China and North Korea...

what happened to them? Are they not countries to start with. We have bunch of them faring very well compare with over religious countries?

reccy:
what happened to them? Are they not countries to start with. We have bunch of them faring very well compare with over religious countries?

China and North Korea are prosperous not because of lack of religion. They are prosperous because of diligence and hardwork.

reccy:

Your last paragraph, can we say the same to muslims and islam?

When talking about "false religion" common human sense can't fathom the concept so humility is required on the part of each and every one of us to IDENTIFY the one and only true religion God approves.
There are many spirit beings claiming God so it's not easy to IDENTIFY the Creator out of all this spirits because he himself is a spirit. That's why he distinguished himself by presenting a nation (Israel) through the laws given to this nation you will know the difference between the true God and false Gods.
Today God has finally separated his worshipers and has given them a separate name {Isaiah 65:15} in fact the rules he gave them makes them different from worshipers of other Gods. John 17:14
God set up the standard and sent out his spirit to empower those that will teach whoever is willing to come close to him, all those who chose to become his worshipers have vowed never to raise up weapons again, they have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally and people know that there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating this Organization!
They are globally known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

In the second paragraph, and God allows them?

God never wanted to force himself on anyone so he is giving each one of us the privilege to choose whether we will do what's pleasing to him or not! Joshua 24:15
But he has set a time when he's coming to destroy all those making life unbearable for his peace loving worshipers (friends) Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22

Shelumiel:
China and North Korea are prosperous not because of lack of religion. They are prosperous because of diligence and hardwork.

Hmmmmm... I think you have a point. Lets take look at these scandinavian countries and how fare they are compare to our over religious countries here in Africa.... There is a link between what they practiced and the diligence and hardworking....

MaxInDHouse:

When talking about "false religion" common human sense can't fathom the concept so humility is required on the part of each and every one of us to IDENTIFY the one and only true religion God approves.
There are many spirit beings claiming God so it's not easy to IDENTIFY the Creator out of all this spirits because he himself is a spirit. That's why he distinguished himself by presenting a nation (Israel) through the laws given to this nation you will know the difference between the true God and false Gods.
Today God has finally separated his worshipers and has given them a separate name {Isaiah 65:15} in fact the rules he gave them makes them different from worshipers of other Gods. John 17:14
God set up the standard and sent out his spirit to empower those that will teach whoever is willing to come close to him, all those who chose to become his worshipers have vowed never to raise up weapons again, they have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally and people know that there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating this Organization!
They are globally known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!



God never wanted to force himself on anyone so he is giving each one of us the privilege to choose whether we will do what's pleasing to him or not! Joshua 24:15
But he has set a time when he's coming to destroy all those making life unbearable for his peace loving worshipers (friends) Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22

Why are you cracking me up? Why are you deviating?

You mean religions have done good than what we are witnessing

Tell me how please?

reccy:
When I consider what humanity have been through in the hand of religion, I wish there would be a world without religion.

Think about the history of the Roman Catholic Church. Think about the murder of Vanini, of Servetus, etc.

Think about the massacre of St Bartholomew. Think about the establishment of the Holy Inquisition. Think about the conquest of Africa, the exportation of its natives to the countries of Europe. Think about the scourge, the chains, that were used to export our helpless and conquered ancestors to Europe and Asia.

Think about all these and tell me if the world wouldn't have been a better place without religion.

Think about the jihads of the sword carried out by some Islamic extremists. Think about the calamities the world have suffered in the hands of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, etc.

These are the offspring of religion, of superstition, of fundamentalism, and of fanaticism.

Think about all these and you would admit that a world without religion will be better off for the human race.

Religion bring nothing but division, acrimony, hatred, animosity, and mutual destruction.

Religion has divided the world between the saved and the damned, the believers and the unbelievers, the faithful and the infidels.

Of what use have the various religions been to the human race? Nothing, except fomenting anarchy, hatred and animosity.

The world would be a better place without RELIGION.

RELIGION is a disease that have infected the majority of human kind.

you have manage to lay on the feet of the catholic church violence that has political undertones. Somehow you have decided to blame political violence solely on religion because it help you further your agenda.

Ubenedictus:
you have manage to lay on the feet of the catholic church violence that has political undertones. Somehow you have decided to blame political violence solely on religion because it help you further your agenda.

Are you sure you are OK?

reccy:

Why are you cracking me up? Why are you deviating?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa i'm only trying to remind you that a coin always have two sides, don't just look at a side and ignore the other. There is nothing in this world that doesn't have it's FAKE, surely you can't expect the fake to be same as ORIGINAL!

You mean religions have done good than what we are witnessing

What you're witnessing is the aftereffect Politics brought on people who allowed themselves to be enslaved in Politics.

Tell me how please?

Religion has always been here before the Arabs and Europeans brought those two books, our ancestors practice their own form of religion, in ancient times politicians only make use of money, weapons, popularity, eloquence, larger armies to gain access to power.
It was a man named Nebuchadnezzar who became the King of Babylon who first added religion to the list of instruments politicians have been using in the past. This man constructed a statue of himself and instructed all peoples under his jurisdiction to worship this image.
What he was planning is that all the nations under Babylon should view him as God's chosen ruler whom they must not opposed.
For your information that's the origin of National Anthem! Daniel 3:1-6
Please try and recite the national anthem of any country, thoroughly meditate on the words and think about the impact it will make on those who truthfully keep it at heart. Such ones will uphold the sovereignty of his/her own Government (who are also humans like himself/herself) and fully prepared to lay down his/her life for that course!
Please don't just see this as a post from another religionists but think over it then tell me what role will the national anthem if you and i are from different countries and the Presidents of both countries have issues. Do you think i can ever see you as my neighbour anymore after reciting the national anthem? No matter what has been between us once the rulers of both countries are at loggerheads we will automatically become diehard enemies if we truthfully keep the words of the National Anthem or pledge at heart!

Ubenedictus:

you have manage to lay on the feet of the catholic church violence that has political undertones. Somehow you have decided to blame political violence solely on religion because it help you further your agenda.

True CHRISTIANS don't participate in the world's political affairs so the LOVE Jesus commanded them {John 13:34-35} to have for one another is possible otherwise if Christians engage in Politics there is no way LOVE, JOY and PEACE can reign in their midst! John 17:16

The Roman Emperor (Constantine) who initiated the Catholic Church had nothing in mind for God, he was a ruthless politician to the core!

reccy:
When I consider..
The world would be a better place without RELIGION.

RELIGION is a disease that have infected the majority of human kind.

Son, everything you do regularly is a religion eg ShopRiteing every Sunday, Clubbing every Friday , penetrating a certain farm tool once a month are all religions.

So regular practice is not and cannot be the problem for No Activity Can Anything. Football will not play itself nor nor church.

It is rather human persons who are the Doers of those things which may be good or wicked.

A case of blaming the pen for failing an examination rather than the human who used the pen to write the exam.

What caused world war 1 and 2.

What caused world war 1 and 2. Hiroshima and nagasaki.

Theguided:
What caused world war 1 and 2. Hiroshima and nagasaki.

POLITICS!

The terrorists that are killing in the name of islam are obviously not following the religion. For over 1400 years, some set of people just so happened to suddenly understand the Quran that people have been reading and studying for years about 20-30 years back abi and the majority of people they even kill are muslims and it just so happened that ISIS crept out after the america's invasion to IRAQ abi. The so called "muslim" terrorists don't even make up to 0.02% of the muslims. That's not shocking to you that only that percentage of people understand the religion of Islam. Oh please!

Dtruthspeaker:


Son, everything you do regularly is a religion eg ShopRiteing every Sunday, Clubbing every Friday , penetrating a certain farm tool once a month are all religions.

So regular practice is not and cannot be the problem for No Activity Can Anything. Football will not play itself nor nor church.

It is rather human persons who are the Doers of those things which may be good or wicked.

A case of blaming the pen for failing an examination rather than the human who used the pen to write the exam.

Please what's the definition of religion or am i missing something.


Even if i have to go with your logic, When 50 to 60% of the world destructions come with certain religion to the extend that people hide with certain religion to commit inhuman act, and have an ideology directly link with that religion, such religion should be checked and banned.


Religion to me has done harm than good.

MaxInDHouse:

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa i'm only trying to remind you that a coin always have two sides, don't just look at a side and ignore the other. There is nothing in this world that doesn't have it's FAKE, surely you can't expect the fake to be same as ORIGINAL!


What you're witnessing is the aftereffect Politics brought on people who allowed themselves to be enslaved in Politics.


Religion has always been here before the Arabs and Europeans brought those two books, our ancestors practice their own form of religion, in ancient times politicians only make use of money, weapons, popularity, eloquence, larger armies to gain access to power.
It was a man named Nebuchadnezzar who became the King of Babylon who first added religion to the list of instruments politicians have been using in the past. This man constructed a statue of himself and instructed all peoples under his jurisdiction to worship this image.
What he was planning is that all the nations under Babylon should view him as God's chosen ruler whom they must not opposed.
For your information that's the origin of National Anthem! Daniel 3:1-6
Please try and recite the national anthem of any country, thoroughly meditate on the words and think about the impact it will make on those who truthfully keep it at heart. Such ones will uphold the sovereignty of his/her own Government (who are also humans like himself/herself) and fully prepared to lay down his/her life for that course!
Please don't just see this as a post from another religionists but think over it then tell me what role will the national anthem if you and i are from different countries and the Presidents of both countries have issues. Do you think i can ever see you as my neighbour anymore after reciting the national anthem? No matter what has been between us once the rulers of both countries are at loggerheads we will automatically become diehard enemies if we truthfully keep the words of the National Anthem or pledge at heart!

Religions come from the almighty if i have to place myself on the same point as you....which means almighty brought to unifying people and no religion has ever preached negativity, so if yours preach love and mine also preach love and his also preach the same thing, then the agenda of individual God has been achieve and as such the world would be a better place.... +1+1+1= +3

But is that what we are having now?


For God to allow such people using his religion to cause mayhem destruction and confusion in the land while He watches shows the extant at which his weakness lies....

reccy:

Religions come from the almighty if i have to place myself on the same point as you....which means almighty brought to unifying people and no religion has ever preached negativity, so if yours preach love and mine also preach love and his also preach the same thing, then the agenda of individual God has been achieve and as such the world would be a better place.... +1+1+1= +3
But is that what we are having now?
For God to allow such people using his religion to cause mayhem destruction and confusion in the land while He watches shows the extant at which his weakness lies....

He only gave everyone the right to exhibit their stuff, to him there is no mayhem it's just the chances each person has to become his friend that matters to him. {Psalms 37:7-11} No matter what you and i are seeing now it won't take him a minute to restore everything back to normal {Mark 1:40-42} whether you grind a full grown man in a blending machine, chop him to pieces, shoot him, burn him or pour acid on him to destroy his body, all what God needs is the personality his friend has built {Matthew 10:28} within the next few seconds God will restore his friends to a perfect health with no scars. Revelations 20:13
So it's the killer that will not be there when God's friend is brought back to live in PARADISE! Matthew 10:28 compare to Luke 23:43; Revelations 21:3-5

MaxInDHouse:


He only gave everyone the right to exhibit their stuff, to him there is no mayhem it's just the chances each person has to become his friend that matters to him. {Psalms 37:7-11} No matter what you and i are seeing now it won't take him a minute to restore everything back to normal {Mark 1:40-42} whether you grind a full grown man in a blending machine, chop him to pieces, shoot him, burn him or pour acid on him to destroy his body, all what God needs is the personality his friend has built {Matthew 10:28} within the next few seconds God will restore his friends to a perfect health with no scars. Revelations 20:13
So it's the killer that will not be there when God's friend is brought back to live in PARADISE! Matthew 10:28 compare to Luke 23:43; Revelations 21:3-5

Imagine this? Is this rational and logically correct to you?

MaxInDHouse:


True CHRISTIANS don't participate in the world's political affairs so the LOVE Jesus commanded them {John 13:34-35} to have for one another is possible otherwise if Christians engage in Politics there is no way LOVE, JOY and PEACE can reign in their midst! John 17:16

The Roman Emperor (Constantine) who initiated the Catholic Church had nothing in mind for God, he was a ruthless politician to the core!

spoken like someone who prefers to live in a Utopia, get out of ur bubble.

reccy:



Are you sure you are OK?

Yes I am, go and read very well and study the political undertones of those event. They were hardly purely religious.

reccy:

Imagine this? Is this rational and logically correct to you?

RATIONAL?
LOGICAL?
Well those are understatements my friend, it makes PERFECT sense!
If i take one on one you'll find out that you yourself will come to the same conclusion without being pestered.
Should i engage you now with rational and logical thinking perhaps you feel like trying?

I know you were born into the Catholic Church just as i was also born a Muslim, but you can think of something better if you just come out of the religion infused in your brains by your parents!

Christianity is for PEACE that's why Jesus told his followers never to use weapons in settling issues! Matthew 26:52

Those Catholic fathers have deluded you with fables telling you Peter was the first Pope, but ask yourself if Peter and other Christians can make use of weapons as the Catholic Church is teaching you today, would they all die in the hands of their enemies as marthrs?
Or do you think if the Christians should stand up to fight for Christianity (with the backing of the Holy Spirit) anybody can conquer them?

My guy wake up the Catholic Church is the Antichrist that came to eradicate true Christianity and established what all of you are practicing today politics in the name of religion!

Ubenedictus:
spoken like someone who prefers to live in a Utopia, get out of ur bubble.

reccy:



Please what's the definition of religion or am i missing something.


Even if i have to go with your logic, When 50 to 60% of the world destructions come with certain religion to the extend that people hide with certain religion to commit inhuman act, and have an ideology directly link with that religion, such religion should be checked and banned.


Religion to me has done harm than good.

This is the whole meaning of "religion" pursuit or interest followed with great devotion for the regular doing of the activity of paying respects to a Personality Greater than man falls within the meaning of "Pursuit of interest with devotion!".

100% of the world's destruction come from people. As DMX said It is a person who made the gun therefore "guns don't kill people, People kill people" .

After people have done their wicked works, they attempt to hide and justify their evil using anything and everything.

It is a human person who does harm eg it is a human who sleeps with your wife, rapes your daughter, steals your property, forcefully detains you without just cause, fails to honour reasonable agreements, lays traps for your death, refuses to give you your rightful duesetc

It is always a human who does this, nothing else.

@reccy
I served with the military intelligence before i became a Christian, so i know that the problems we have on earth today all come from POLITICS not RELIGION.
When someone walk up to you and start telling you stories with fairy tales of HELLFIRE as the undertone know that such a person simply want to set standards for you, the weapon he is using to instill fear in you is HELLFIRE!
Other politicians use motivational speeches and since they're eloquent in speech they gain control over you. Others make use of money, they buy your loyalty and start setting standards for you.
Others use fame as people known by timber and caliber they sieze that as a weapon to gain control over you. Still others use the direct tactics by amassing weapons and soldiers to force their man-made standards on you.

Religion totally differs from that, it's the standard set by the Almighty it doesn't favour a sector leaving the other. All people from North East South and West will benefit maximally if we all submit to true religion. Isaiah 48:17-18

We will all see ourselves as brothers and sisters under the same father and God because it's the same standard that will govern all of us. So there won't be no British, America, Asian or African before the standard as all of us must be in subjection to the same rule. And since it's not set by any race it will favour all that is concerned.

But Politics totally differs from that, it favours the one setting the standard and his immediate family first, then his relatives, his townsman, his country before he can think of someone from afar. That's why the humans race can never have PEACE with Politics.
The evil genius in the field of Politics are using false religion to manipulate the populace to their own side, that's why people like you now think religion is the problem.
If religion is squashed today, instantly Mankind will face the greatest catastrophe ever. WHY?
Who taught us
*to respect the elderly?
*not to take what we can by force?
*to allow an older man marry a young girl?

Youths will go out there and start beating up old men and women who used money to snatch the young boys and girls from them.
You will see people having sex after all they're both adults who knows what's best for them.
Smoking, drugs, excessive drinking will take over and since there is nothing like religion nobody can tell another not to engage.
Children taller than parents will beat up their own parents for not doing what they want or trying to hinder them from pleasing themselves.

What most of you failed to realise is that all the standards People are following before the advent of books came from the fear of the deities (RELIGION)
So whether Christianity, Islam, Buddha, Krishna or any other form of worship, all of them are RELIGIONS telling people what is right and wrong. Remove them all together and see what will happen few years later!

How can you distinguish between true religion and politically oriented religion (falsehood)?

True Religion respects nobody, it's the same standard for all, it doesn't allow for nepotism or racism, it's not by force but people are motivated as they're fully convinced to do what is beneficial to everyone which is not for selfish gains but selfless voluntary service to mankind. There is no fear of the afterlife because it's either we live or die God only have dealings with the living but the unconscious are resting in their graves. Ecclesiastes 9:5-10
So God only keep account of those who needs to be released from death to come back and continue doing good works which brings praise the giver of life (GOD)! Act 24:15

False Religion is selfish, those engaging in it are after immediately gain, they're nepotists who feels like having it all, a false religionist will want to have money, children, fame, affluence and luxury at the detriment of others while his/her own immediate family live the life of royalties!
They're foolish because once we die the earth continues to remain in the hands of the living, the Children we bear are just like everyone else, all they can do is to make statues of us whereas our flesh and bones decay in the grave. So false religionist deceive themselves into thinking they have the best life as they accumulate material possessions which they must hand over to the living whether they like it or not at death!

MaxInDHouse:
@reccy
I served with the military intelligence before i became a Christian, so i know that the problems we have on earth today all come from POLITICS not RELIGION.
When someone walk up to you and start telling you stories with fairy tales of HELLFIRE as the undertone know that such a person simply want to set standards for you, the weapon he is using to instill fear in you is HELLFIRE!
Other politicians use motivational speeches and since they're eloquent in speech they gain control over you. Others make use of money, they buy your loyalty and start setting standards for you.
Others use fame as people known by timber and caliber they sieze that as a weapon to gain control over you. Still others use the direct tactics by amassing weapons and soldiers to force their man-made standards on you.

Religion totally differs from that, it's the standard set by the Almighty it doesn't favour a sector leaving the other. All people from North East South and West will benefit maximally if we all submit to true religion. Isaiah 48:17-18

We will all see ourselves as brothers and sisters under the same father and God because it's the same standard that will govern all of us. So there won't be no British, America, Asian or African before the standard as all of us must be in subjection to the same rule. And since it's not set by any race it will favour all that is concerned.

But Politics totally differs from that, it favours the one setting the standard and his immediate family first, then his relatives, his townsman, his country before he can think of someone from afar. That's why the humans race can never have PEACE with Politics.
The evil genius in the field of Politics are using false religion to manipulate the populace to their own side, that's why people like you now think religion is the problem.
If religion is squashed today, instantly Mankind will face the greatest catastrophe ever. WHY?
Who taught us
*to respect the elderly?
*not to take what we can by force?
*to allow an older man marry a young girl?

Youths will go out there and start beating up old men and women who used money to snatch the young boys and girls from them.
You will see people having sex after all they're both adults who knows what's best for them.
Smoking, drugs, excessive drinking will take over and since there is nothing like religion nobody can tell another not to engage.
Children taller than parents will beat up their own parents for not doing what they want or trying to hinder them from pleasing themselves.

What most of you failed to realise is that all the standards People are following before the advent of books came from the fear of the deities (RELIGION)
So whether Christianity, Islam, Buddha, Krishna or any other form of worship, all of them are RELIGIONS telling people what is right and wrong. Remove them all together and see what will happen few years later!

And what is the standard set by God that excludes the Atheist but still leading and proving your God wrong?


See, all these you mentioned are happening now even with all these religious preaching here and there. So what's the difference?


Ok, if i have to go by some of your points, islam is not the problem, people are?

Muslim are not the problem but few muslim are?


Christainity is not the cause, few christains are?