dowap5:

So you are admitting that you south-easterners are trolling, abusing and insulting other ethnic groups in order to force them to claim igbo-identity ?
Why ? What is wrong with you guys ? You claim to fight for your right to self determination while in reality you want self determination and also you want to take away other peoples right to self determination. This is the main reason biafra will never be !
Your fight is a contradiction in itself.

Edo man. No one is abusing or forcing any one to be Igbo.
On them contrary, we are angry with leeches like Wike, Amaechi and other clowns from the Bini claiming but Igbo speaking groups out there in SS are exploiting the Igbo tag when its expedient to do so.
We are hoping they drop our Igbo names and language and revert to Bini ones. We are pushing them towards Bini.

Biafra will be. And it will be a fully homogeneous Igbo republic made up of proudly Igbo speaking towns and clans .Know this and know peace.

pazienza:



Edo man. No one is abusing or forcing any one to be Igbo.
On them contrary, we are angry with leeches like Wike, Amaechi and other clowns from the Bini claiming but Igbo speaking groups out there in SS are exploiting the Igbo tag when its expedient to do so.
We are hoping they drop our Igbo names and language and revert to Bini ones. We are pushing them towards Bini.

Biafra will be. And it will be a fully homogeneous Igbo republic made up of proudly Igbo speaking towns and clans .Know this and know peace.

What make you think you own the language they speak ? You once again assume that people should get permission from you to speak a language which you identify as close to yours ! You also assume people need your permission to bear names simmilar to yours ?
In what planet are you guys living ?

Do nigerians ask ghana permission to bear english names or to speak english ?
Why can't you guys just live and let live ?

dowap5:

Even in the folklore of Onitcha, the Onitcha people claim very clearly to have migrated from Benin.
Apart from that the picture below of the Obi of Onitcha shows Onitcha's links to Benin.
We've already had this discussion, you know all this but you pretend to be dumb and blind.

What in that picture is Bini? Does Oba Bini do Ofala/Ovala? Do you know what is Ofala? Do you know how deeply rooted in Nri traditions it is?

Does the name Ezechima sound Bini to you?

Do you know how many Onichas we have scattered in Igbo land like -Shires are scattered in. England?

Develop your Edo land and stop looking towards Igbo land. Because even Igbanke in Edo state might not even be left for you, if you continue like this.

pazienza:


What in that picture is Bini?

you keep pretending to be blind: THE SWORD

All the rest you said is utter nonesense.

For anybody who truly wants biafra, it is people like this guy whom are preventing it from ever materializing.
You can't win if you are simultanously fighting for freedom and for bondage.

You have to chose one: freedom or bondage ?

the fulani are fighting for bondage, at least they are consistent, they know what they want, whereas you guys are walking in opposit directions.

dowap5:


What make you think you own the language they speak ? You once again assume that people should get permission from you to speak a language which you identify as close to yours ! You also assume people need your permission to bear names simmilar to yours ?
In what planet are you guys living ?

Do nigerians ask ghana permission to bear english names or to speak english ?
Why can't you guys just live and let live ?

Don't be silly.
If they came from Bini, then they were initially Bini speakers and couldn't have invented the Igbo language they are currently speaking from thin air.
Common sense dictates that they borrowed them from Igbos.

English is a colonial language, Ghanaians still have their local languages.
Ndiigbo never colonized these groups and they don't speak their Igbo dialects as second languages but as mother tongues.

They have the right to identity as anything they like, but what they don't have right to is to claim they manufactured Igbo dialects they speak from thin air, unless you are telling me they speak Igbo language in ancient Bini.

Omoluabi1stborn:
But they understand Igbo language

Aioma should tell me how I can differentiate between them and IMO/Enugu/Anamanbra guy

How can you differentiate between Urhobo, Itsekiri, & Ijaw, From Anioma Nation? Please leave us alone in Delta State is it by force?, Biafra beggar.

dowap5:


you keep pretending to be blind: THE SWORD

All the rest you said is utter nonesense.

For anybody who truly wants biafra, it is people like this guy whom are preventing it from ever materializing.
You can't win if you are simultanously fighting for freedom and for bondage.

The swords were Portuguese introduced in Bini empire.
Many Igbos around copied it.

Bini copied Igbo four market days of Eke, Orie , Afor and Nkwo too.
Does that make Bini people Igbos,?

Nigeria copied the British MACE as symbol of senate , does that now make Nigerians native British?

The British copied government titles like Minister from the Romans who ruled Britain. Does that make British people Latin people?

Common sense, you lots cannot have for once.

pazienza:


Don't be silly.
If they came from Bini, then they were initially Bini speakers and couldn't have invented the Igbo language they are currently speaking from thin air.
Common sense dictates that they borrowed them from Igbos.

1) speculations without facts.
2) I am not claiming anybody migrated from anywhere. i only quoted the folklore of the people which links them to Benin.
3) A folklore should not be taken litterally, what remains is that they are conscious of being linked to Benin, and that is all !!!
4) when two peoples are speaking similar languages, either one could have borrowed words from the other one, so it is also possible that the Anioma language was copied by the igbos (in the colonial era when we had built schools and were trying to have a common language for each region for example). Onitscha was seen by the igbos as an example to follow and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the igbos of the south-east copied Onitcha's language.

dowap5:
Look, guys let us leave this discussion about Anioma like this:
1) Anioma are the only people who can determine who they are, it is not the priviledge of the south-east to tell Anioma who they are, Anioma will tell the world who they are.
2)It is my view as an Anioma that the Anioma are an ethnic group and a sub-group of the Edo people
3)It is the view of all Anioma Obis that the Anioma are an ethnic group and a sub-group of the Edo people
4)Stop redusing the Anioma to a piece of land, we are a people, we have rights ! We are not a belonging !
5)Just leave the issue, it is none of your business, Anioma monarchs will talk for Anioma.
6) Even I, an Anioma, am not entitled to speak on behalf of the Anioma, talkless of you guys in the south-east who have taken upon yourselves the right to speak on behalf of the Anioma.
7)Only Anioma monarchs can speak on behalf of the Anioma.

Now that all this is settled, perharps we can fight the fulani herdsmen now instead of planning how to attack each other ? What do you think ?

Dont make me laugh. The most important King in the Anioma area is the Asagba of Asaba, Obi Chike Edozien. Below is what he said about being Igbo, read and learn

https://asaba.com/asagba-of-asaba-i-am-a-proud-igbo-son/

favor914:
How can you differentiate between Urhobo, Itsekiri, & Ijaw, From Anioma Nation? Please leave us alone in Delta State is it by force?, Biafra beggar.

Its actually easy, its the same way you would differentiate a Yoruba man and an Igbo man. Itsekiri, Ijaw, Urhobos and Yorubas do not speak Igbo as their ancestral language

gidgiddy:


Dont make me laugh. The most important King in the Anioma area is the Asagba of Asaba, Obi Chike Edozien. Below is what he said about being Igbo, read and learn

https://asaba.com/asagba-of-asaba-i-am-a-proud-igbo-son/

Why do you want to have this very conversation again, we have already had this discussion and you are just bringing out the same things yet again.
Where is the video of the Obi of Asaba in which he claims to be igbo ?
whereas below is a picture of his ancestral regalia: 100% Benin

pazienza:


The swords were Portuguese introduced in Bini empire.

This is what i hate about you guys, you just make up your facts.
Where is proof that benin swords were imported by portuguese ?

pazienza:

English is a colonial language, Ghanaians still have their local languages.
Ndiigbo never colonized these groups and they don't speak their Igbo dialects as second languages but as mother tongues.

1) I can't have numeorus people talking to me, so you guys should calm down. don't harass me.
2) The fact ghanaians were colonized by britian is irrelevant, the fact is nigerians and ghanaians speak a common language: english ! And nigeria doesn't ask ghana for permission to speak it (by the way, nigeria doesn't ask england for permission to speak english also).
3) You keep assuming with 0 knowledge that the language belongs to south-eatsern peoples
4) there is no such thing as igbo dialects, these are distinct languages with some similarities, but they are languages in their own right.
5) it is very likely that in the colonial era, the language of the onitcha people was copied by the south-easterners

I am not here to have this stupid conversation with you guys again, rather I am here to say enough !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgYb8qT1do8&t=48s

dowap5:


1) speculations without facts.
2) I am not claiming anybody migrated from anywhere. i only quoted the folklore of the people which links them to Benin.
3) A folklore should not be taken litterally, what remains is that they are conscious of being linked to Benin, and that is all !!!
4) when two peoples are speaking similar languages, either one could have borrowed words from the other one, so it is also possible that the Anioma language was copied by the igbos (in the colonial era when we had built schools and were trying to have a common language for each region for example). Onitscha was seen by the igbos as an example to follow and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the igbos of the south-east copied Onitcha's language.

1. Facts on ground is that Anioma people speak Igbo language as mother tongue and all their gods are Igbo gods too.

2. Anioma has many folklores, the Bini migration story is just one of them. There is Igbo one, and then the autochthonous one. It just happened that the Bini ones are overhyped by the people post civil war, while the other two versions are suppressed for obvious reasons.
History is a science and hence subject to rational analysis. An irrational history, expecially undocumented oral histories, is a red flag for a historical distortion. I have quoted a post to you too linking the people to Igbo. Which would rationally explain why they are Igbo speaking.

3. A folklore must pass through the crucible of rational analysis before it can be accepted. History is a science and not something you wake up and forge. A folklore of a supposedly Bini people like Igbanke living right in Edo state and Agbor whose neighbors are Bini people, waking up one day and start speaking a dialect of Igbo language as mother tongue without history of being colonized by Igbos is irrational and would be rightly questioned by any anthropologist.

4. So let me get this straight. You mean to tell me that supposedly Bini speaking ancestors of Anioma, Onitsha and Ikwerre people left Biniland as Bini speakers and formulated the Igbo language they currently speak on their journey away from Bini, which they taught the whole Igbo speaking clans in SE and as far as Isobo in Cross Rivers state who also speak a dialect of Igbo language?

Does this make sense to you?

dowap5:


Why do you want to have this very conversation again, we have already had this discussion and you are just bringing out the same things yet again.
Where is the video of the Obi of Asaba in which he claims to be igbo ?
whereas below is a picture of his ancestral regalia: 100% Benin

So the regalia king wears means more than his ancestral surname, his ancestral language and the fact he says he is Igbo?

King of Asaba has told you he is an Igbo man and all you have to counter him is his regalia? What regalia is he wearing below?

favor914:
How can you differentiate between Urhobo, Itsekiri, & Ijaw, From Anioma Nation? Please leave us alone in Delta State is it by force?, Biafra beggar.

Don't be silly. This is what a prominent Itsekiri man had to say about Asaba being the capital of Delta state some time ago:
https://www.nairaland.com/2858845/prof-sagay-many-igbos-didnt#41889351

gidgiddy:


So the regalia king wears means more than his ancestral surname, his ancestral language and the fact he says he is Igbo?

King of Asaba has told you he is an Igbo man and all you have to counter him is his regalia? What regalia is he wearing below?

I don't know if you are aware, but in your picture the king of Asaba is wearing Benin beeds, also he is not wearing his traditional regalia, he is wearing common nigerian clothing.
You are a teenager, and educated adult can't be this dumb.
I already told you that you need to provide a video in which the king of asaba claims to be igbo ! anybody can wright anything and put someone's picture on the paper.

pazienza:



1. Facts on ground is that Anioma people speak Igbo language as mother tongue and all their gods are Igbo gods too.

2. Anioma has many folklores, the Bini migration story is just one of them. There is Igbo one, and then the autochthonous one. It just happened that the Bini ones are overhyped by the people post civil war, while the other two versions are suppressed for obvious reasons.
History is a science and hence subject to rational analysis. An irrational history, expecially undocumented oral histories, is a red flag for a historical distortion. I have quoted a post to you too linking the people to Igbo. Which would rationally explain while they are Igbo speaking.

3. A folklore must pass through the crucible of rational analysis before it can be accepted. History is a science and not something you wake up and forge. A folklore of a supposedly Bini people like Igbanke living right in Edo state and Agbor whose neighbors are Bini people, waking up one day and start speaking a dialect of Igbo language as mother tongue without history of being colonized by Igbos is irrational and would be rightly questioned by any anthropologist.

4. So let me get this straight. You mean to tell me that supposedly Bini speaking ancestors of Anioma, Onitsha and Ikwerre people left Biniland as Bini speakers and formulated the Igbo language they currently speak on they journey away from Bini, which they taught the whole Igbo speaking clans in SE and as far as Isobo in Cross Rivers state who also speak a dialect of Igbo language?

Does this make sense to you?

Did you even read what you were replying to ?
If you did then you are braindead.
You are not making sense at all.

You guys are just trolling, and i am not here for that.

dowap5:


I don't know if you are aware, but in your picture the king of Asaba is wearing Benin beeds, also he is not wearing his traditional regalia, he is wearing common nigerian clothing.
You are a teenager, and educated adult can't be this dumb.
I already told you that you need to provide a video in which the king of asaba claims to be igbo ! anybody can wright anything and put someone's picture on the paper.

Bini didn't invent the beeds. They were imported by the colonial masters and all groups in Nigeria adopted it as part of their regalia.

Asagba of Asaba is a grand patron of Ohaneze Ndiigbo. What other proof of his Igbo identity do you want?
His name is Chike Edozien, his town is Ahaba( I have chosen), his praise name is Obi agu!, he speaks Igbo , and he attend Igbo meetings.

What is your problem?

dowap5:


Did you even read what you were replying to ?
If you did then you are braindead.
You are not making sense at all.

Brain challenged Edo man.

So if I wear jeans, I automatically becomes an American?

Our lawyers are now British descendants because they wear those funny white wigs in court rooms?

Are you okay at all?

pazienza:


Bini didn't invent the beeds. They were imported by the colonial masters and all groups in Nigeria adopted it as part of their regalia.

1) you had colonial masters, we didn't.
2) We were colonised by the british in 1897 who stole the Benin regalia which was already a beaded regalia

What the hell are you talking about ?

pazienza:

His name is Chike Edozien

In your own logics, shouldn't you have pointed out that Edozien was an Edo name ?

confirm apc post

pazienza:


Bini didn't invent the beeds. They were imported by the colonial masters and all groups in Nigeria adopted it as part of their regalia.

Asagba of Asaba is a grand patron of Ohaneze Ndiigbo. What other proof of his Igbo identity do you want?
His name is Chike Edozien, his town is Ahaba( I have chosen), his praise name is Obi agu!, he speaks Igbo , and he attend Igbo meetings.

What is your problem?

Don't mind them. People from Asaba and Ogwashi uku have been warning the Ikas and Ukwani people seriously from bringing disgrace to them by tgging them with !"anioma is not Igbo" discussion.
The last Ukwuani guy who posted something controversial was met with serious rebuttals from non-Ika people.
Most people who post these things are from Edo state and Ukwuani.
I just read this article from Ngoyi Okonjo

dowap5:


I don't know if you are aware, but in your picture the king of Asaba is wearing Benin beeds, also he is not wearing his traditional regalia, he is wearing common nigerian clothing.
You are a teenager, and educated adult can't be this dumb.
I already told you that you need to provide a video in which the king of asaba claims to be igbo ! anybody can wright anything and put someone's picture on the paper.

Im asking a question which you are refusing to answer. Is the Regalia a king wears more important than his ancestral language and his ancestral surname? If you say the King of Asaba is from Edo, why dont you show us a video where he said so?

The king of Asaba speaks Igbo as his ancestral language, his surname is Igbo, he has said in this 2011 article that he is an Igbo man

But you say we should ignore all of these facts and focus on his regalia? You people wont kill me with laughter

pazienza:


Brain challenged Edo man.

So if I wear jeans, I automatically becomes an American?

Our lawyers are now British descendants because they wear those funny white wigs in court rooms?

Are you okay at all?

In that same logical length, you didn't realize that most northerners and middle beltans speak hausa inclusing the non hausa, but if anybody speaks a language with similarities with igbo, you claim that perosn is igbo...logics

So are we british for speaking english ?
I my dad hausa because he learnt hausa while in the army ?

The ancestral regalia OF every Obi is the same as that of the Oba of Benin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXZ9rJVIMh4

Now can you guys stop your tribal trolling ?

Wow so now I have 3 igbo-trolls talking to me.
this is how insecured you guys are. Is your number just going to keep increasing as I keep exposing your false arguments ?

dowap5:

In that same logical length, you didn't realize that most northerners and middle beltans speak hausa inclusing the non hausa, but if anybidy speaks a language with similarities with igbo, you claim that perosn is igbo...logics

They speak Hausa as second languages and not as first language.
Those of them who had lost their first language to Hausa, we know them and we know the language they spoke in the past.

The Anioma, Ikwerre ,Ogba, etc. All speak Igbo dialects as mother tongue and not as second language.
Let this sink into your brain.

There was nothing such as Anioma until after Nigeria\Biafra war, thus, after 1970. Ethnicity does not spring from group of goons.

dowap5:

In that same logical length, you didn't realize that most northerners and middle beltans speak hausa inclusing the non hausa, but if anybody speaks a language with similarities with igbo, you claim that perosn is igbo...logics

So are we british for speaking english ?
I my dad hausa because he learnt hausa while in the army ?

The ancestral regalia OF every Obi is the same as that of the Oba of Benin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXZ9rJVIMh4

Now can you guys stop your tribal trolling ?

They all speak Hausa as a second language. They all have their own indigenous mother tongues.
Stop being silly.

Nigerian lawyers wear wigs, wow! Nigerian must be of British ancestry.
That's how you sound posting Anioma kings on similar regalia as Oba Bini.
Common sense should tell you they copied Oba Bini dressing style because of how powerful the Oba is.
Same reason our lawyers are wearing white wigs in hot tropical sun. It's all out of imitation of the British. It doesn't make them British descendants.

pazienza:


They speak Hausa as second languages and not as first language.
Those of them who had lost their first language to Hausa, we know them and we know the language they spoke in the past.

The Anioma, Ikwerre ,Ogba, etc. All speak Igbo dialects as mother tongue and not as second language.
Let this sink into your brain.

what exactly do you expect from this conversation ?
For the 3rd time, dialect means language without a dictionnary. It doesn't mean "sub-language of a language". You can claim that Anioma have languages similar to yours but you can not claim that Anioma speak dialect of igbo, it makes no sense.


You keep making unsubstantiated claims, when cornered by logics, you bring up an unsubstantiated claim.
Who speaks haussa as second language and how do you know which language they spoke before adopting haussa ? This is ridiculous.