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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 12:59pm On Feb 20, 2021
Sound like Ghana to me.
Otherwise you're selling crazy theories.
1) Communism - No private ownership to property. Communal rights. 100% public sector. No private sector. Example - North Korea
2) Socialisms - Private ownership. Large gov or public sector. Gov taxes the rich heavily and use it to lift the poor. Example - Scandinavian countries
3) Capitalism - Private Ownership - large private sector. Small public sector - mainly as regulator. Very little social services. Example - US, Kenya.
Just40:
you have no idea

It was a core socialist society and socialism does not require democracy as a system of government to exist.

Socialism thrives in monarchies, feudalism, communism, totalitarianism, authoritarianism and etc

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:59pm On Feb 20, 2021
Just40:
most Democrats shy away from socialism

Have you asked yourself why ? grin grin
Yes since one of the fundamentals of socialism is Government control of production........Like communism wink

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:04pm On Feb 20, 2021
jln115:
It literally does:

"Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and democratic control"
you are funny

Socialism emphasizes on social control (communal)

It even discourages democratic controls because it uses the state as an authority for equal wealth distribution to lessen the class structure.

That's why it controls the means of production

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:05pm On Feb 20, 2021
jln115:
That's what you said bru!! grin grin
can you quote where I said that


Instead of putting words in my mouth, read and understand the USSR

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:06pm On Feb 20, 2021
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rvp2018:
Sound like Ghana to me.
Otherwise you're selling crazy theories.
1) Communism - No private ownership to property. Communal rights. 100% public sector. No private sector. Example - North Korea
2) Socialisms - Private ownership. Large gov or public sector. Gov taxes the rich heavily and use it to lift the poor. Example - Scandinavian countries
3) Capitalism - Private Ownership - large private sector. Small public sector - mainly as regulator. Very little social services. Example - US, Kenya.
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:07pm On Feb 20, 2021
Just40:
you are funny

Socialism emphasizes on social control (communal)

It even discourages democratic controls because it uses the state as an authority for equal wealth distribution to lessen the class structure.

That's why it controls the means of production
Just because it encourages State and social control doesn't mean it discourages democratic control.............That is what sets socialism apart from communism..........A simple google search would tell you this

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 1:07pm On Feb 20, 2021
That is communism. Both socialisms and communism are equalitarian in objective. But they are not the same. Social states allows private sector to thrive and then taxes it - like Norway - 50% - and use the money to provide social services to everyone. Therefore the public sector and Private sector are nearly equal -50-50.

Communism - criminalize wealth in private hands, nationalize everything, all companies are publicly, and name it. It therefore breeds laziness, envy and poverty. And therefore can only survive in dictatorship.

Many example in Africa - use to do that - Ghana, Tanzania and Ethiopia.

BUT there is no doubt that Capitalism is the best - and has eliminate poverty than any other system.

Just40:
you are funny

Socialism emphasizes on social control (communal)

It even discourages democratic controls because it uses the state as an authority for equal wealth distribution to lessen the class structure.

That's why it controls the means of production

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:07pm On Feb 20, 2021
jln115:
Yes since one of the fundamentals of socialism is Government control of production........Like communism wink
exactly why no democracy want to deal with socialism.

It is heavily practiced by communist, feudalist, monarchies, authoritarian and totalitarian

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:09pm On Feb 20, 2021
jln115:

Just because it encourages State and social control doesn't mean it discourages democratic control.............That is what sets socialism apart from communism..........A simple google search would tell you this
it purely does and that is why USA criminalized socialism

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:09pm On Feb 20, 2021
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rvp2018:
That is communism. Both socialisms and communism are equalitarian in objective. But they are not the same. Social states allows private sector to thrive and then taxes it - like Norway - 50% - and use the money to provide social services to everyone. Therefore the public sector and Private sector are nearly equal -50-50.

Communism - criminalize wealth in private hands, nationalize everything, all companies are publicly, and name it. It therefore breeds laziness, envy and poverty. And therefore can only survive in dictatorship.

Many example in Africa - use to do that - Ghana, Tanzania and Ethiopia.

BUT there is no doubt that Capitalism is the best - and has eliminate poverty than any other system.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 1:09pm On Feb 20, 2021
Nonsense - whole of Scandinavian are social states - welfare state - nanny state - social state work well in small rich nations. It also work well in homogenous democratic states. Even Switzerland is social state.

The same with communism - it can only survive in an homogenous state.

It difficult to pull a social state in an heterogenous states - that is why democracy thrive with capitalism - most nations

Just40:
exactly why no democracy want to deal with socialism.

It is heavily practiced by communist, feudalist, monarchies, authoritarian and totalitarian

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:11pm On Feb 20, 2021
Just40:
exactly why no democracy want to deal with socialism.

It is heavily practiced by communist, feudalist, monarchies, authoritarian and totalitarian
uhm no...............Socialism requires democratic control, the reason why democratic capitalist countries stay away from socialism is because of how similar it is to a communist economic system.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:11pm On Feb 20, 2021
rvp2018:
That is communism. Both socialisms and communism are equalitarian in objective. But they are not the same. Social states allows private sector to thrive and then taxes it - like Norway - 50% - and use the money to provide social services to everyone. Therefore the public sector and Private sector are nearly equal -50-50.

Communism - criminalize wealth in private hands, nationalize everything, all companies are publicly, and name it. It therefore breeds laziness, envy and poverty. And therefore can only survive in dictatorship.

Many example in Africa - use to do that - Ghana, Tanzania and Ethiopia.

BUT there is no doubt that Capitalism is the best - and has eliminate poverty than any other system.

all the Scandinavian countries are all capitalist countries tries that have incorporated the best part of socialism.

Go and call any Scandinavian country a socialist state and receive a slap in the face

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:13pm On Feb 20, 2021
rvp2018:
Nonsense - whole of Scandinavian are social states - welfare state - nanny state - social state work well in small rich nations. It also work well in homogenous democratic states. Even Switzerland is social state.
As for you, your level of dumbness is beyond human perception.

Not even a single Scandinavian country is socialis.

They are all capitalist countries who have incorporated the best part of socialism.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:13pm On Feb 20, 2021
rvp2018:
Nonsense - whole of Scandinavian are social states - welfare state - nanny state - social state work well in small rich nations. It also work well in homogenous democratic states. Even Switzerland is social state.
Just want to say Im sorry for comparing you to Just40!! grin grin seems like your knowledge on economic systems is infinite times more than Just40

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 1:14pm On Feb 20, 2021
Yes socialisms is confused with communism - and therefore receives a bad rap - when they are different.
jln115:
uhm no...............Socialism requires democratic control, the reason why democratic capitalist countries stay away from socialism is because of how similar it is to a communist economic system.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 1:15pm On Feb 20, 2021
Nobody in a democracy want to be called communism like country - but the moment you're taxing 50% of private earning - you're socialist state.
Just40:
all the Scandinavian countries are all capitalist countries tries that have incorporated the best part of socialism.

Go and call any Scandinavian country a socialist state and receive a slap in the face

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:15pm On Feb 20, 2021
jln115:
uhm no...............Socialism requires democratic control, the reason why democratic capitalist countries stay away from socialism is because of how similar it is to a communist economic system.
socialism will fail in a democratic country because of it nature.

Even the Scandinavian countries cant push themselves to practice socialism because it will lead to a decay of society.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:17pm On Feb 20, 2021
Just40:
As for you, your level of dumbness is beyond human perception.

Not even a single Scandinavian country is socialis.

They are all capitalist countries who have incorporated the best part of socialism.
It's called the Nordic model...........basically democratic socialism!! you know!! the Bernie Sanders type you were talking about wink
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 1:17pm On Feb 20, 2021
It only fails if public sector - gov become corrupt - and doesn't consult. I can give you example of Swiss. They hold referendum on nearly everything. Those countries are very democratic and have zero corruption. Public sector also work very well - public schools, hospitals, universities - so NOBODY CARES IF GOV taxes 50% of their wealth - because they do a good job in return. Nobody goes to private school or hospital or name it - if they even exist - because the PUBLIC SECTOR works.

It very difficult to pull democratic state in non homegenous countries - coz of racism, tribalism - etc.

Therefore social states are the most democratic.

Just40:
socialism will fail in a democratic country because of it nature.

Even the Scandinavian countries cant push themselves to practice socialism because it will lead to a decay of society.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:17pm On Feb 20, 2021
rvp2018:
Nobody in a democracy want to be called communism like country - but the moment you're taxing 50% of private earning - you're socialist state.
kid you dont know socialism

It has nothing to do with just taxing.

Scandinavian countries tax 50% and above to make their system work

A capitalist system with the good side of socialism

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:18pm On Feb 20, 2021
Just40:
socialism will fail in a democratic country because of it nature.

Even the Scandinavian countries cant push themselves to practice socialism because it will lead to a decay of society.

I agree! in most cases it will!! that's why along with communism I despise it!
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:18pm On Feb 20, 2021
jln115:

It's called the Nordic model...........basically democratic socialism!! you know!! the Bernie Sanders type you were talking about wink
I'm laughing grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:18pm On Feb 20, 2021
Just40:
kid you dont know socialism

It has nothing to do with just taxing.

Scandinavian countries tax 50% and above to make their system work

A capitalist system with the good side of socialism
So basically democratic socialism wink
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 1:20pm On Feb 20, 2021
You're confusing democracy and capitalism. Capitalism in it's purest form - mean you can do whatever you want - with very little gov interferences, taxes and name it.

Socalist countries are very democratic - because they have to be VERY accountable - to be able to levy 50% of people earnings - without revolt. Those that cannot pull that - go for communism - which basically has to be authorian by nature.

Just40:
kid you dont know socialism

It has nothing to do with just taxing.

Scandinavian countries tax 50% and above to make their system work

A capitalist system with the good side of socialism

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:20pm On Feb 20, 2021
Just40:
I'm laughing grin grin

It's good to laugh at one's self from time to time wink wink
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:22pm On Feb 20, 2021
rvp2018:
It only fails if public sector - gov become corrupt - and doesn't consult. I can give you example of Swiss. They hold referendum on nearly everything. Those countries are very democratic and have zero corruption. Public sector also work very well - public schools, hospitals, universities - so NOBODY CARES IF GOV taxes 50% of their wealth - because they do a good job in return.
and they are very capitalist.

In Switzerland, you get mailed almost every decision that the government wants to take for you to decide.

It is also a core capitalist society guaranteeing wealth amassing and private property.

It incorporates free healthcare and education by most and needs to compensate that by taxing everybody 50%

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:24pm On Feb 20, 2021
jln115:
I agree! in most cases it will!! that's why along with communism I despise it!
it works fine with communism because of the leveraging it provides

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just40: 1:24pm On Feb 20, 2021
jln115:
So basically democratic socialism wink
not fully

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 1:25pm On Feb 20, 2021
Social states - are perhaps 50% capitalist and 50% communism

Just40:
and they are very capitalist.

In Switzerland, you get mailed almost every decision that the government wants to take for you to decide.

It is also a core capitalist society guaranteeing wealth amassing and private property.

It incorporates free healthcare and education by most and needs to compensate that by taxing everybody 50%
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:25pm On Feb 20, 2021
rvp2018:
Yes socialisms is confused with communism - and therefore receives a bad rap - when they are different.
pure socialism and communist economic systems are very similar. Both are horrible btw!!

Scandinavian countries practise a more democratic socialist system, similar to South Africa......except as you previously said a socialist government requires high accountability and transparency to be successful............If you get my drift wink
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:26pm On Feb 20, 2021
rvp2018:

Social states - are perhaps 50% capitalist and 50% communism

No..........Communism and socialism don't mix

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