Kingdomtruth:
Jesus was simply the child of God, who was the first to be created out of all creation. And just like we too who believe and are made the children of God by faith through the holy spirit, He too is the child of God because of the spirit of God that gives Him life. He is actually the first born son of God among many of us who later believe and are made children too. That was Jesus before his human nature....Tanx bro

Janosky:
That problem is in the figment of your imperfect imagination.

Bros, are you perfect?
NO, in capital letters

But Jesus Christ is very perfect.

John 20:17, John 3:16, John 17:3, John 5:37, Matthew 16:13-17, did Jesus tell you "my God and your God" became flesh?

Janosky:
Is Exodus 33:20-23 missing in your Bible?

Janosky:
John 20:21 , John 7:16 Jesus Christ says your claim on John 14:7-9 is faulty.

John 20:21,In a nutshell, you are claiming that the disciples is Jesus Christ .

Matthew 10:40 = John 14:7-9. You the Boss, gave your Messenger a letter to your Tenants, the tenants received the letter from your Messenger, have the tenants seen or received you (the Boss)?

Do you know that Matthew 10:32 (on earth) is the same as (in heaven)Revelation 3:5?

Bros RECEIVE SENSE

BassReeves:
-John 1:1-18
'1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
6There came a man who was sent from God. His name was John.
7He came as a witness to testify about the Light, so that through him everyone might believe.
8He himself was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.
10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—
13children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15John testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying,
“This is He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’ ”
16From His fullness we have all received grace upon grace.
17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18[b]No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known[/b]'

You need a lot more knowing and catching up to do

Kingdomtruth:
Bro, my first comment explains this ur position that I believe is a reflection of the very last verse(18) that you quoted. Now to answer that verse 18 again which I believe is the only verse that makes it seem like God the son is the same as God the father; I'd say it again that:God the son is the God of everything and everyone in heaven(excluding God the Father), and the God of everyone on earth and in the world below as well. However, that position was given to him by God the Father, after He suffered and was made perfect through all His troubles and obedience. Note that, it was after He had accepted to do God the Father's will by obeying Him even to the point of death that He(Jesus Christ) was now given that position as the God of everything in heaven on earth and in the world below. Then God the Father who gave him that position is now the overall God(God almighty) of everyone including CHRIST JESUS who is God of everyone excluding God the Father...This is good enough I guess

BassReeves:
In your scenario, am I the boss capable of becoming a messenger and not only continue being myself the boss, but be the boss and the messenger, meaning do this, in parallel and at the same time? To clarify. I am boss in the office and at the same time, while in the office, I am the messenger, delivering letters to tenants. Meaning, I am, two persons, existing, in two different places, at the same time

BassReeves:
-John 1:14, 18
'14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known'

As for whether Exodus 33:20-23 is missing in my Bible, no it isn't. Why do you want to know if its missing or not?

You obviously havent been briefed about Exodus 33:20-23, that when Moses was asking that God show him His glory, he actually was trying to know about the future plans of God, so God responded that, no one can know His plans and live to tell about it (i.e. Thou canst not see my face), but instead He will show him about the past (i.e. thou shalt see my back parts)

BassReeves:
It isnt that you really aren't familiar with John 1:1-18, but now that I have refreshened your memory of it, I will re-ask you the earlier question, that in the light of John 1:1-18, who and what is Jesus before Jesus was born?

Janosky:
According to Jesus Christ, how many persons in John 20:21 exist in two different places?

Bros, is John 20:21 missing from your Bible?
Is Revelation 3:5 and Matthew 10:32 missing from your Bible?

Imperfect man using a spurious analogy pretends he knows spiritual realm more than Jesus Christ.

Issorait !

Janosky:
John 1:18 , no man has seen God at anytime"

John 5:37 the Father who sent me... you have NOT seen my Father's form neither have you heard his (Father's ) voice.

Exodus 33:20, no man can see my face and live"

Bros, receive SENSE

Kingdomtruth:
John1:1_18, is not talking about who Jesus was when he was born, the scripture talks about Jesus when He was raised to glory after all that He had suffered. As a result, He was made God...At best, it was the other verses that address who Jesus Christ was, as a spirit not a human being... John 1:1_18 has nothing to do with Jesus' BIRTH

BassReeves:
John 3:13
'No one has ever gone into heaven except the One who came from heaven--the Son of Man'

You are out of your depth, this stuff is out of your league to understand or get your head round.

Luke 1:31-33, Son of man is NOT God Almighty.
Angel Gabriel can't be wrong. Bros stop LYING

Daniel 7:13,14 & John 3:16 no dey your Bible?

John 20:17 , did Jesus tell you "my God and your God" became flesh?


Imperfect Bros wey know pass Jesus Christ

Janosky:
Luke 1:31-33, Son of man is NOT God Almighty.
Angel Gabriel can't be wrong. Bros stop LYING

Daniel 7:13,14 & John 3:16 no dey your Bible?

John 20:17 , did Jesus tell you "my God and your God" became flesh?

Imperfect Bros wey know pass Jesus Christ

Enskynelson:
Aside this verse there are a lot more verses that supports this.
John1:1; John1:14;
John 10:30
John 8:58
Colosians 2:9
And lot more...

BassReeves:
-John 1:14, 18
'14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known'

Why are you struggling with the fact that Jesus is God and vice versa?

Why not for a change, and a bit of variety, provide a bible quote of Jesus denying He is God or denying He is the Son of God

chatinent:
Stephen saw Jesus on Earth, how then could he be referring to him?

chatinent:
Use your head na.
How can sb who is with sb still be that person?

When Jesus got baptized, who said "this is my beloved son in whom I am well-pleased?"

Is it still Jesus in the Jordan?

Use your big head na.

BassReeves:
-John 1:14, 18
'14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known'

Why are you struggling with the fact that Jesus is God and vice versa?

Why not for a change, and a bit of variety, provide a bible quote of Jesus denying He is God or denying He is the Son of God

King James Bible
"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

New King James Version
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him"
Compare your John 1:18 quote and KJV John 1:18 quote... Can't you spot the difference?

Janosky:
John 20:17 , did Jesus tell you "my God and your God" became flesh?
Imperfect Bros wey know pass Jesus Christ,

John 1:18, your DUBIOUS Trinity mentors inserted "who is Himself God into that verse ,(NOT in any Greek manuscript)
It is the same manner of their DUBIOUS manipulated forgery of 1 John 5: 7 KJV.

King James Bible
"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

New King James Version
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him"
Compare your John 1:18 quote and KJV John 1:18 quote... Can't you spot the difference?

Janosky:


ARE ANGELS EQUAL WITH JESUS IN ESSENCE, IN NATURE, AND IN CHARACTER ?

BassReeves:
Please re-read slowly but out loud, as I re-ask you the earlier question again, that in the light of John 1:1-18, who and what is Jesus before Jesus was born?

Kingdomtruth:
I was I never at loss bro as to what your position is.

Kingdomtruth:
I wish you would be careful enough to get my point. John 1:1 downward is telling us about Jesus being the word of God and then being God as well, it never meant to portray Him as God the Father. Just like you as a human being, Jesus Christ had a mind of His own apart from that of God the Father's own. However, it was the word of God the same thing as the spirit of God in Him that gave Him life. Meaning the fullness of the spirit of God that was in Him, was what made him to be God also. That's what John 1:1 downward is saying. Take note, that the word of God is the same thing as the spirit of God...Happy sunday

bornalive:
You have said it right. God, The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit. Trinity.

BassReeves:
Why are you many assumptions what my position is?

I wish you would be careful enough to the significant point, that we are not here discussing an ordinary human being. We are not discussing a human being, like as just you or I

I asked you a simple, harmless, straight and easy to answer question, that, in the light of John 1:1-18, who and what is Jesus before Jesus was born? To tell me who and what is Jesus before Jesus was born, was all I wanted you tell. I didn't know you are not just unable to straight away just answer such an uncomplicated question, but you will add drama to your reply of not answering the question.

Kingdomtruth, can I ask you a question, that this time you're ready to answer and answer without any drama?

Kingdomtruth:
go on with your question bro.I'm all eyes.

BassReeves:
Thank you, my caveat is that please dont watch the question, just with the intent to abruptly reply, but with intent to understand after we are done with questioning. Thanks again.

Are you a father yet? You can see that, I don't ask complicated or complex questions.

Kingdomtruth:
what has my Mstatus got to do with the subject matter? still waiting for your question

BassReeves:
Do you really not at all understand what 'bosom' means. Like for example Lazarus being in Abraham's bosom. Never mind, just produce quotes of Jesus denying He is God or Him denying He is the Son of God.

BassReeves:

BassReeves:
-John 1:14, 18
'14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known"
.

BassReeves:

BassReeves:

Never mind, just produce quotes of Jesus denying He is God or Him denying He is the Son of God.
.

In heaven, Revelation 3:5,12,21, Revelation 2:27, Revelation 1:5-6, Jesus says he is NOT God.
In heaven, the spiritual realm, Jesus calls God "my Father, my God".
Bros, is the spiritual realm stronger than the physical realm?
Revelation 3:5,12,21, Revelation 2:27, Revelation 1:5-6, what is Jesus Christ in the spiritual realm?

Bros, John 20:17,30-31, John 3:16,36, what did your Jesus say you must believe to gain eternal life?

BassReeves:
-John 1:14, 18
'14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known'

As for whether Exodus 33:20-23 is missing in my Bible, no it isn't. Why do you want to know if its missing or not?

You obviously havent been briefed about Exodus 33:20-23, that when Moses was asking that God show him His glory, he actually was trying to know about the future plans of God, so God responded that, no one can know His plans and live to tell about it (i.e. Thou canst not see my face), but instead He will show him about the past (i.e. thou shalt see my back parts)