Idiko1:
Yoruba and Igbo had nothing in common. The present day habitat of the people called Yoruba was not the their original place of abode. The original home of Yoruba was Oyo-Ile which was 30 miles north of Ilorin, Kwara State. The original Yoruba were migrants from Upper Volta. They were co-migrants of the Fulani.

You don’t have a clue about Yoruba History

Christistruth00:
What the OP should have written was that both the Yorubas and Igbos are descendants of the Ancient Igbos that Oduduwa met at Ile Ife

The Ijebu,, Ekiti, Akoko,Ilaje,Ondo,,Ijesha and Owu ( Obasanjo’s Clan) are all mostly of Ancient Igbo heritage. ,the others are mixed.

The Igbo or Ugbo were the aborigines that Oduduwa met at Ife when he arrived there with his Army from Arabia after they were driven out of Arabia by Jihadists

The Igbos of Ife were ruled by Oruluere who was number 77 in the Igbo dynasty of kings called the Obatalas

Oduduwa fought Obatala at Ile Ife and Conquered the Igbos replacing the Igbo dynasty

After a peace settlement with Obatala where Oduduwa gave him his daughter in Marriage the Igbos and Oduduwas People settled together at Ile Ife

Oduduwa was king and Obatala was his deputy

But some of the Igbos were so angry that they rebelled against their Igbo king Obatala to the extent of disowning him completely and migrating away from Ife

Obatala was both a diviner and a very outstanding Cotton Merchant with many plantations.

Obatala was reputed to have been even richer than Oduduwa himself but his weakness was his bad drinking habit

Beng an exiled prince Oduduwa was outstanding in Statemanship and Administration

The Igbos that rebelled against and disowned their own King Obatala claimed that they could not live with the Peace agreement he made with Oduduwa so they left Town and continued attacking Ile Ife from their new location

Only the descendants of Obatala are allowed in Cron the Ooni of Ife in recognition of the fact that they were the original founders and inhabitants of Ile Ife


Ps Oduduwa came from Arabia

You have taken that shit again
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flokii:
It's only an Igbo that you'll see concocting such lies all in the bid to beg for Southern unity that can never happen.. which 'sky-god' is the f00lish poster even talking about?

It's the Binis we have ties with historically not Igbos. What rubbish!

has the binis ever told you people that they want to create ties with you people?

please keep Bini out of your discussion face your ibo brothers

theTranslator:

You have taken that shit again
www.nairaland.com/attachments/13261582_13261429tmpcam7829431326588068386jpegf274706f8ed11ee456633cede34b8dc4_jpeg972c3b53d90391e63ee0b31dee71c9f2

The fact that it is your food doesn’t mean everyone is like you

Christistruth00:

The fact that it is your food doesn’t mean everyone is like you

Everything you said is false lol

theTranslator:

Everything you said is false lol

That is authentic Ife History

It is my area

And if you ever wondered where you got your headstrong stubbornness from , there is an over 1000 years old Historical precedent when the rebellious Ugbo abandoned and disowned their own king at Ife for entering into a peace agreement that they didn’t like after they had already resoundingly lost the War absolutely nothing at all could pacify them not even their own king Obatala

Christistruth00:


That is authentic Ife History

It is my area

And if you ever wandered where you got your headstrong stubbornness from , there is a 1000 year Historical precedent when the rebellious Ugbo. abandoned and disowned their king at Ife for entering into a peace agreement that they didn’t like absolutely nothing at all could pacify them not even their own king Obatala

Lol
I'm Egba
A full Yoruba
Everything you said --Balderdash!

theTranslator:

Lol
I'm Egba
A full Yoruba
Everything you said --Balderdash!

That means you don’t have a clue about Yoruba History go and read.

Christistruth00:

That means you don’t have a clue about Yoruba History go and read.

Me You're reading false history bro

theTranslator:

Me
You're reading false history bro

Is Ooni’s version of Ife History false?

Ok give us your own version

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/326478-igbos-yorubas-have-historical-ties-ooni-of-ife.html

efulefu

Igbos are jews and we migrated from the ancient Israel state.
Afonjas... I don’t know where they came from

,#SOUTHUNITE#

chiagozien:
Even common knowledge will make one Know that Igbos and yorubas has nothing in common.

Nothing concern Igbos with Oduduwa that fall down from sky.

We and yorubas share nothing in common and don't wish to.

Our skin colour is totally different.

Our dressing has no similarity.

Our culture no be the same.

The way we thinks is never the same.

Naturally they hate you because you Igbo.



Can anyone tell me three things we share in common with yorubas.

1. Yorubaland
2. Nigeria
3. Mutual hatred

Etrusen:


has the binis ever told you people that they want to create ties with you people?

please keep Bini out of your discussion face your ibo brothers

shut up oloripelebe. benins are yoruba

Christistruth00:


Is Ooni’s version of Ife History false?

Ok give us your own version

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/326478-igbos-yorubas-have-historical-ties-ooni-of-ife.html

fake history. have you forgotten alafin called out ooni on one of such comments

Christistruth00:


Is Ooni’s version of Ife History false?

Ok give us your own version

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/326478-igbos-yorubas-have-historical-ties-ooni-of-ife.html

His version doesn't correlate with what you wrote earlier
What you wrote previously was fake
Period.

theTranslator:

His version doesn't correlate with what you wrote earlier
What you wrote previously was fake
Period.

Give us your version !

Christistruth00:

Give us your version !

I don't have time to type history I am not jobless

Christistruth00

That is authentic Ife History

It is my area

And if you ever wandered where you got your headstrong stubbornness from , there is an over 1000 years old Historical precedent when the rebellious Ugbo abandoned and disowned their own king at Ife for entering into a peace agreement that they didn’t like after they had already resoundingly lost the War absolutely nothing at all could pacify them not even their own king Obatala

Lol, this is a bunch of horse sh!t. Igbos were never ruled by kings but judges and we definitely won't have lost to the cowardly backstabbing yorubas. For your information, Oduduwa is the yoruba corruption of the name "Odudu-nwa" which means last born in igbo. So your sky god was one of the bastard sons of Eri. You really should stop smoking that weed or spewing trash.

theTranslator:

I don't have time to type history
I am not jobless

In other words you don’t know Ife History

chiagozien:
Even common knowledge will make one Know that Igbos and yorubas has nothing in common.

Nothing concern Igbos with Oduduwa that fall down from sky.

We and yorubas share nothing in common and don't wish to.

Our skin colour is totally different.

Our dressing has no similarity.

Our culture no be the same.

The way we thinks is never the same.

Naturally they hate you because you Igbo.



Can anyone tell me three things we share in common with yorubas.

ritual,skull mining and Yahoo Yahoo. Na joke oo am be Yoruba oo

Christistruth00:
In other words you don’t know Ife History

The following information may sound new to you, but please note that “new to you” is not one and the same thing as “false” or “absolutely new”.

(1) Oduduwa is not from Mecca, nor is he from any region around or near Mecca.

(2) The Ooni never said, at any time, that Oduduwa is from Mecca or from any region around or near there.

(3) It’s high time we started inquiring about the originator(s) of the stories we hear or read — regardless of how popular such stories are.

(4) Despite being very popular, the story of Oduduwa’s roots being in Mecca, etc. did not originate from the Yorubas.

(5) No it didn’t. Yes you may now be wondering from whom or from where then did such stories originate.

(6) Professional historians of African & Yoruba History have now reconsidered this story and have traced it down to the writings of a certain non-Yoruba man.

(7) Guess who! This story has been traced to a certain explorer by the name of Capt. Hugh Clapperton.

(8 ) And guess who Clapperton claimed to have gotten this story from. He too got it from a non-Yoruba man.

(9) To be actually precise, he got it far away from Yorubaland. He got it from Hausaland.

(10) In fact, he got it precisely from a Fulani man by the name Muhammad Bello who was the then Sultan of Sokoto.

(11) The Yoruba author, Samuel Johnson noted in his magnum opus that there is no earlier record of this story prior to Sultan Bello himself.

(12) Since he (Bello) completed this story, it has gradually spread around and become commonplace even among many Yorubas.

(13) By the 1860s, this story has taken the place of an alternative story alongside the original one from the Yorubas themselves.

(14) By the early 1900s, this story (and its variants) has gained fame and popularity among the Yoruba literate-cum-elite class of the time.

(15) Much (if not all) of this fame & acceptance is due to some emerging products of the Middle-East which were shaping Yorubaland at the time.

(16) These Middle-Eastern world-shaping factors of the 19th century Yorubaland were (and are still) — Islam, Christianity, and modern Egyptology.

(17) The actual story of Oduduwa’s (and thus Yorubas’s) roots which is known originally to the Yorubas thus had this new story (and all its fancy factors) to compete with at the time.

(18) The fancy Fulani originated Midle-East story of Oduduwa’s roots appears to have decided the day against the original account of the Yorubas themselves.

(19) This Middle-East account thus held sway for a long time among both scholars and laypersons — except among very few conservative Yorubas who held on to the Yorubas’ own historical account of Oduduwa’s roots.

(20) This was the situation of things until very deep into the 1900s when professional historians in academia decided to pause and investigate the origin of the popular story.

(21) Today as I write this comment, please be informed that:

“All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that the great political changes which began in Ife in about the tenth century were indigenous in their origin, in their unfolding and in their dramatis personae. It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised; it is only in that soil that his roots can be found.”

~ S. Adebanji Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing, 2010, p. 57.

(22) I am trying to compile a very detailed comment (about which I have been very lazy) on this topic with all the relevant scholarly references. I should put you in copy when it is ready.

(23) Another Hausani-Fulani propaganda which I have also debunked is the issue of the name “Yoruba”.

You my read up my comment on that at the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6394433/history-legacy-islam-yorubaland#98653730


Cc: theTranslator

Cheers!

TAO11:
The following information may sound new to you, but please note that “new to you” is not one and the same thing as “false” or “absolutely new”.

(1) Oduduwa is not from Mecca, nor is he from any region around or near Mecca.

(2) The Ooni never said, at any time, that Oduduwa is from Mecca or from any region around or near there.

(3) It’s high time we started inquiring about the originator(s) of the stories we hear or read — regardless of how popular such stories are.

(4) Despite being very popular, the story of Oduduwa’s roots being in Mecca, etc. did not originate from the Yorubas.

(5) No it didn’t. Yes you may now be wondering from whom or where then did it originate.

(6) Scholars of African & Yoruba History have now reconsidered this story and have traced it down to the writings of a certain non-Yoruba man.

(7) Guess who! This story has been traced to a certain explorer by the name of Capt. Hugh Clapperton.

(8 ) And guess who Clapperton claimed to have gotten this story from. He too got it from a non-Yoruba man.

(9) To be actually precise, he got it far away from Yorubaland. He got it from from Hausaland.

(10) In fact, he got it precisely from a Fulani man by the name Muhammad Bello who was the then Sultan of Sokoto.

(11) The Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson noted in his magnum opus that there is no earlier record of this story prior to Sultan Bello himself.

(12) Since he (Bello) completed this story, it has gradually spread around and become commonplace even among many Yorubas.

(13) By the 1860s, this story has taken the place of an alternative story alongside the original one from the Yorubas themselves.

(14) By the early 1900s, this story (and its variants) has gained fame and popularity by the Yoruba literate-cum- elite class of the time.

(15) Much (if not all) of this fame & acceptance is due to some emerging products of the Middle-East which were shaping Yorubaland at the time.

(16) These Middle-Eastern world-shaping factors of the 19th century Yorubaland were (and are still) — Islam, Christianity, and Egyptology.

(17) The actual story of Oduduwa’s (and Yoruba’s) roots which is known originally to the Yorubas thus had this new story (and all its fancy factors) to compete with at the time.

(18) The fancy Fulani originated Midle-East story of Oduduwa’s roots appears to have decided the day against the original account of the Yorubas themselves.

(19) This Middle-East account thus held sway for a long time among both scholars and laypersons —excepts among very few conservative Yorubas who held on to the Yorubas’ own historical account of Oduduwa’s roots.

(20) This was the situation of things until very deep into the 1900s when professional historians in academia decided to pause and investigate the origin of the story.

(21) Today as I write this comment, please be informed that:

“All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that the great political changes which began in Ife in about the tenth century were indigenous in their origin, in their unfolding and in their dramatic personae. It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised; it is only in that soil that his roots can be found.”

~ S. Adebanji Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing, 2010, p. 57.

(22) I am trying to compile a very detailed comment (about which I have been very lazy) on this topic with all the relevant scholarly references. I should put you in copy when it is ready.

(23) Another Hausani-Fulani propaganda which I have also debunked is the issue of the name “Yoruba”.

You my read up my comment on that at the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6394433/history-legacy-islam-yorubaland#98653730


Cc: theTranslator

Cheers!

TAO how you dey my dear Sister I hope you have kept. those Benin revisionists locked in their Cages

I can agree that the Indigenous populations had a different Origin Story like the case of Oba Sikiru who claimed that the Ijebu Migrated from Wadai in Sudan but the Oduduwa dynasty was from Arabia possibly with Ethiopian or Egyptian influences

The Borgu , Jukun, Kanuri and Gobir Hausa all claim to have been descendants of the Army that left Arabia for West Africa driven out by a Jihad and their story matches up with the Oduduwa migration story

The Kanuri will tell you that their founding ancestors were the brothers of Oduduwa that migrated with him from Arabia the Jukun King is said to have physical remnants of the Weapons of that Army which includes Weapons and Armour

You must know that metal Armour is not traditionally used by West Africans in War

Even Flora Shaw Lords Lugards wife investigated the Reasons why many Tribes in the Benue valley claimed to have being originated from the East

It was claimed that a large Army from Arabia had arrived in west Africa in the 7 th Century after being driven out of Arabia by Jihadists

It was Even claimed that the first kings of the Ghana Empire had migrated from Yemen in Arabia since Oduduwas journey took 90 days on Horseback and he came from the East please do the Calculations and find out where that leads you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisra_legend


Is it not interesting that the name of. One of Magician King Kisra’s Son was Damerudu. (Yoruba : Lamerudu ) Oduduwas Father ?

King Kisra was said to have fought Mohammed at the battle of Badr near Mecca in 624 AD

Rev Samuel Johnson’s History of the Yorubas was bang on point.

Also Borgu kings Claimed to have the same Arabian Origins as Oduduwa and also from the same Family

There is a Borgu version of the Migration from Arabia Story

https://org.uib.no/smi/sa/03/3Busa.pdf


https://www.jstor.org/stable/180811?seq=1




I have read at least one author who believes that even Bayyajida the Founding father of the Daura Hausa who married the queen of Daura may have been part of that Migration party from the East

https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/migration-and-the-yor-b-myth-of-origin

Also the Kanuri Duguwa dynasty of kings was reputed to have been started by one of Oduduwas brothers they also claimed a Yemen Origin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duguwa_dynasty

I find the similarities in names Duguwa and Oduduwa very interesting and more than a coincidence even Rev Samuel Johnson mentions that the Kanuri see the Yoruba as their ancestral relations

I wander if the Ancient Yoruba could have turned Omo Duguwa into a pronunciation of Oduduwa if he was of Duguwa descent

The Duguwa dynasty of Kanuri Kings 700 AD coincided with the period that Mohammed’s Jihad was driving pagans out of Arabia and also the period that King Kisra’s Army was said to have arrived in today’s Nigeria from the Arabia

The funniest part is that the Nupe claimed to have migrated from the Kanuri and you know that the Nupe and Yoruba also are blood relatives, Alaafin Sango was the Grandson of the Nupe king.


Cc: theTranslator

TAO11:
The following information may sound new to you, but please note that “new to you” is not one and the same thing as “false” or “absolutely new”.

(1) Oduduwa is not from Mecca, nor is he from any region around or near Mecca.

(2) The Ooni never said, at any time, that Oduduwa is from Mecca or from any region around or near there.

(3) It’s high time we started inquiring about the originator(s) of the stories we hear or read — regardless of how popular such stories are.

(4) Despite being very popular, the story of Oduduwa’s roots being in Mecca, etc. did not originate from the Yorubas.

(5) No it didn’t. Yes you may now be wondering from whom or where then did it originate.

(6) Scholars of African & Yoruba History have now reconsidered this story and have traced it down to the writings of a certain non-Yoruba man.

(7) Guess who! This story has been traced to a certain explorer by the name of Capt. Hugh Clapperton.

(8 ) And guess who Clapperton claimed to have gotten this story from. He too got it from a non-Yoruba man.

(9) To be actually precise, he got it far away from Yorubaland. He got it from from Hausaland.

(10) In fact, he got it precisely from a Fulani man by the name Muhammad Bello who was the then Sultan of Sokoto.

(11) The Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson noted in his magnum opus that there is no earlier record of this story prior to Sultan Bello himself.

(12) Since he (Bello) completed this story, it has gradually spread around and become commonplace even among many Yorubas.

(13) By the 1860s, this story has taken the place of an alternative story alongside the original one from the Yorubas themselves.

(14) By the early 1900s, this story (and its variants) has gained fame and popularity by the Yoruba literate-cum- elite class of the time.

(15) Much (if not all) of this fame & acceptance is due to some emerging products of the Middle-East which were shaping Yorubaland at the time.

(16) These Middle-Eastern world-shaping factors of the 19th century Yorubaland were (and are still) — Islam, Christianity, and Egyptology.

(17) The actual story of Oduduwa’s (and Yoruba’s) roots which is known originally to the Yorubas thus had this new story (and all its fancy factors) to compete with at the time.

(18) The fancy Fulani originated Midle-East story of Oduduwa’s roots appears to have decided the day against the original account of the Yorubas themselves.

(19) This Middle-East account thus held sway for a long time among both scholars and laypersons —excepts among very few conservative Yorubas who held on to the Yorubas’ own historical account of Oduduwa’s roots.

(20) This was the situation of things until very deep into the 1900s when professional historians in academia decided to pause and investigate the origin of the story.

(21) Today as I write this comment, please be informed that:

“All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that the great political changes which began in Ife in about the tenth century were indigenous in their origin, in their unfolding and in their dramatic personae. It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised; it is only in that soil that his roots can be found.”

~ S. Adebanji Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing, 2010, p. 57.

(22) I am trying to compile a very detailed comment (about which I have been very lazy) on this topic with all the relevant scholarly references. I should put you in copy when it is ready.

(23) Another Hausani-Fulani propaganda which I have also debunked is the issue of the name “Yoruba”.

You my read up my comment on that at the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6394433/history-legacy-islam-yorubaland#98653730


Cc: theTranslator

Cheers!

Chai I just like this woman
Tao you're doing well
You're a real daughter of the soil!

JustCruise:
Christistruth00

That is authentic Ife History

It is my area

And if you ever wandered where you got your headstrong stubbornness from , there is an over 1000 years old Historical precedent when the rebellious Ugbo abandoned and disowned their own king at Ife for entering into a peace agreement that they didn’t like after they had already resoundingly lost the War absolutely nothing at all could pacify them not even their own king Obatala

Lol, this is a bunch of horse sh!t. Igbos were never ruled by kings but judges and we definitely won't have lost to the cowardly backstabbing yorubas. For your information, Oduduwa is the yoruba corruption of the name "Odudu-nwa" which means last born in igbo. So your sky god was one of the bastard sons of Eri. You really should stop smoking that weed or spewing trash.

Another big liar
IPOB=Delusion and lies
Odudunwa?
Who told you this?
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Your anambra highway governor??

Christistruth00:


TAO how you dey my dear Sister I hope you have kept. those Benin revisionists locked in their Cages

I can agree that the Indigenous populations had a different Origin Story like the case of Oba Sikiru who claimed that the Ijebu Migrated from Wadai in Sudan but the Oduduwa dynasty was from Arabia possibly with Ethiopian or Egyptian influences

The Borgu , Jukun, Kanuri and Gobir Hausa all claim to have been descendants of the Army that left Arabia for West Africa driven out by a Jihad and their story matches up with the Oduduwa migration story

The Kanuri will tell you that their founding ancestors were the brothers of Oduduwa that migrated with him from Arabia the Jukun King is said to have physical remnants of the Weapons of that Army which includes Weapons and Armour

You must know that metal Armour is not traditionally used by West Africans in War

Even Flora Shaw Lords Lugards wife investigated the Reasons why many Tribes in the Benue valley claimed to have being originated from the East

It was claimed that a large Army from Arabia had arrived in west Africa in the 7 th Century after being driven out of Arabia by Jihadists

It was Even claimed that the first kings of the Ghana Empire had migrated from Yemen in Arabia since Oduduwas journey took 90 days on Horseback and he came from the East please do the Calculations and find out where that leads you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisra_legend


Is it not interesting that the name of. One of Magician King Kisra’s Son was Damerudu. (Yoruba : Lamerudu ) Oduduwas Father ?

King Kisra was said to have fought Mohammed at the battle of Badr near Mecca in 624 AD

Rev Samuel Johnson’s History of the Yorubas was bang on point.

Also Borgu kings Claimed to have the same Arabian Origins as Oduduwa and also from the same Family

There is a Borgu version of the Migration from Arabia Story

https://org.uib.no/smi/sa/03/3Busa.pdf


https://www.jstor.org/stable/180811?seq=1


I have read at least one author who believes that even Bayyajida the Founding father of the Daura Hausa who married the queen of Daura may have been part of that Migration party from the East

https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/migration-and-the-yor-b-myth-of-origin

Also the Kanuri Duguwa dynasty of kings was reputed to have been started by one of Oduduwas brothers they also claimed a Yemen Origin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duguwa_dynasty

I find the similarities in names Duguwa and Oduduwa very interesting and more than a coincidence even Rev Samuel Johnson mentions that the Kanuri see the Yoruba as their ancestral relations

I wander if the Ancient Yoruba could have turned Omo Duguwa into a pronunciation of Oduduwa if he was of Duguwa descent

The Duguwa dynasty of Kanuri Kings 700 AD coincided with the period that Mohammed’s Jihad was driving pagans out of Arabia and also the period that King Kisra’s Army was said to have arrived in today’s Nigeria from the Arabia

The funniest part is that the Nupe claimed to have migrated from the Kanuri and you know that the Nupe and Yoruba also are blood relatives, Alaafin Sango was the Grandson of the Nupe king.

I’m good, I trust you’re good too.

The Bini liars and revisionists chose to learn the hard way. I only helped them actualize their choice.

Read the following carefully and with an open mind as you would normally do:

Regarding my comment and your reply here, you seem to have missed the crucial elements.

Yes, you may find several articles which talks about some migration from the Middle-East, etc.

Yes, you may find similar stories among other groups in Nigeria, etc.

But the crux which you’re missing (and which most people miss) is already discussed in my comment above.

This crux which you missed is about the following question:

Whom/where did all these stories originate from in the first place?

Pause for a while at this point and ponder this key question before reading on.

Think of this whole discourse as a huge tree, you were massaging the tree at its trunk rather than delving into its root.

The trunk of this discourse is the several articles and writings about the story of how different indigenous groups migrated down here from the Middle-East.

Such approach doesn’t actually investigate anything because you are simply picking up the discourse from the trunk without inquiring into the root of the stories itself.

In other words, you are shying away from asking the real question — which is: Who is/are the brain behind these stories ab-initio?

I have already answered this question earlier vis-a-vis the roots of the Yoruba people, where I wrote (and I quote here again) that:

“•••(6) Scholars of African & Yoruba History have now reconsidered this story and have traced it down to the writings of a certain non-Yoruba man.

(7) Guess who! This story has been traced to a certain explorer by the name of Capt. Hugh Clapperton.

(8 ) And guess who Clapperton claimed to have gotten this story from. He too got it from a non-Yoruba man.

(9) To be actually precise, he got it far away from Yorubaland. He got it from from Hausaland.

(10) In fact, he got it precisely from a Fulani man by the name Muhammad Bello who was the then Sultan of Sokoto.

(11) The Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson noted in his magnum opus that there is no earlier record of this story prior to Sultan Bello himself.•••”

In sum, this Middle-East (Mecca) migration story was originated by the most powerful Fulani sovereign who ever ruled in the Soudan* (i.e. Sultan Bello or/and his father, Dan-Fodi) perhaps for the purpose of easing Islamic proselytization/conquest of the indigenous people of the Soudan*.

NB: *”Soudan” here is the older name for the vast belt of West Africa between the coast and the Sahara.

To buttress this point further vis-a-vis the other groups in relation to which you may have read a similar story; Sultan Bello did not limit his story to the Yorubas.

In fact, he specifically mentioned that the Nupe people, the “Ya-ory” people and in fact, all the tribes of the West Sudan are descended from (and the Nupe are related to) the Yorubas — and that they originally came in from the Middle-East.

In other words, this man right here (Sultan Bello) is the root of the big tree whose trunk you’ve been reading about in different articles, blogs, or books.

And the reality as we have seen, instead, is that the original indigenous stories of these peoples (which his own story came to override) had something entirely different to say about their own respective origins.

Moreover, present-day modern scientific discoveries (especially those from the area of linguistics and archaeology) have come to falsify these specific Middle-East migration stories.

Archaeological and linguistic evidence have shown that these groups of people have occupied this present day Nigeria region for tens of thousand of years before the dates often attributed to the so-called migration from Mecca.

The date in which Oduduwa flourished (based on historians’ examination of different Yoruba king lists — especially of Ife, Oyo and Benin) places Oduduwa in the late-10th century/early-11th century AD — that is, the late 900s/early 1000s.

This date is about 300 to 400 years after Muhammad had lived. The story of Muhammad’s alleged battle with a supposed Oduduwa’s group therefore fails to add up.

More specifically, the indigenous account of the Yoruba people regarding Oduduwa’s roots is entirely contrary to Sultan Bello’s story.

All in all, professional academic historians of African & Yoruba History (NOT Me) have NOW reached a definitive conclusion regarding the roots of Oduduwa. They have found the indigenous evidence to be acceptable and Bello’s story untenable and unsubstantiated.

“All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that the great political changes which began in Ife in about the tenth century were indigenous in their origin, in their unfolding and in their dramatis personae. It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised; it is only in that soil that his roots can be found.”

~ S. Adebanji Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing, 2010, p. 57.

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theTranslator:

Chai I just like this woman
Tao you're doing well
You're a real daughter of the soil!

Thank you.

TAO11:
I’m good, I trust you’re good too.

The Bini liars and revisionists chose to learn the hard way. I only helped them actualize their choice.

Read the following carefully and with an open mind as you would normally do:

Regarding my comment and your reply here, you seem to have missed the crucial elements.

Yes, you may find several articles which talks about some migration from the Middle-East, etc.

Yes, you may find similar stories among other groups in Nigeria, etc.

But the crux which you’re missing (and which most people miss) is already discussed in my comment above.

This crux which you missed is about the following question:

Whom/where did all these stories originate from in the first place?

Pause for a while at this point and ponder this key question before reading on.

Think of this whole discourse as a huge tree, you were massaging the tree at its trunk rather than delving into its root.

The trunk of this discourse is the several articles and writings about the story of how different indigenous groups migrated down here from the Middle-East.

Such approach doesn’t actually investigate anything because you are simply picking up the discourse from the trunk without inquiring into the root of the stories itself.

In other words, you are shying away from asking the real question — which is: Who is/are the brain behind these stories ab-initio?

I have already answered this question earlier vis-a-vis the roots of the Yoruba people, where I wrote (and I quote here again) that:

“•••(6) Scholars of African & Yoruba History have now reconsidered this story and have traced it down to the writings of a certain non-Yoruba man.

(7) Guess who! This story has been traced to a certain explorer by the name of Capt. Hugh Clapperton.

(8 ) And guess who Clapperton claimed to have gotten this story from. He too got it from a non-Yoruba man.

(9) To be actually precise, he got it far away from Yorubaland. He got it from from Hausaland.

(10) In fact, he got it precisely from a Fulani man by the name Muhammad Bello who was the then Sultan of Sokoto.

(11) The Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson noted in his magnum opus that there is no earlier record of this story prior to Sultan Bello himself.•••”

In sum, this Middle-East (Mecca) migration story was originated by the most powerful Fulani sovereign who ever ruled in the Soudan* (i.e. Sultan Bello or/and his father, Dan-Fodi) perhaps for the purpose of easing Islamic proselytization/conquest of the indigenous people of the Soudan*.

NB: *”Soudan” here is the older name for the vast belt of West Africa between the coast and the Sahara.

To buttress this point further vis-a-vis the other groups in relation to which you may have read a similar story; Sultan Bello did not limit his story to the Yorubas.

In fact, he specifically mentioned that the Nupe people, the “Ya-ory” people and in fact, all the tribes of the West Sudan are descended from (and the Nupe are related to) the Yorubas — and that they originally came in from the Middle-East.

In other words, this man right here (Sultan Bello) is the root of the big tree whose trunk you’ve been reading about in different articles, blogs, or books.

And the reality as we have seen, instead, is that the original indigenous stories of these peoples (which his own story came to override) had something entirely different to say about their own respective origins.

Moreover, present-day modern scientific discoveries (especially those from the area of linguistics and archaeology) have come to falsify these specific Middle-East migration stories.

Archaeological and linguistic evidence have shown that these groups of people have occupied this present day Nigeria region for tens of thousand of years before the dates often attributed to the so-called migration from Mecca.

The date in which Oduduwa flourished (based on historians’ examination of different Yoruba king lists — especially of Ife, Oyo and Benin) places Oduduwa in the late-10th century/early-11th century AD — that is, the late 900s/early 1000s.

This date is about 200 to 300 years after Muhammad had lived. The story of Muhammad’s alleged battle with a supposed Oduduwa’s group therefore fails to add up.

More specifically, the indigenous account of the Yoruba people regarding Oduduwa’s roots is entirely contrary to Sultan Bello’s story.

All in all, professional academic historians of African & Yoruba History (NOT Me) have NOW reached a definitive conclusion regarding the roots of Oduduwa. They have found the indigenous evidence to be acceptable and Bello’s story untenable and unsubstantiated.

“All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that the great political changes which began in Ife in about the tenth century were indigenous in their origin, in their unfolding and in their dramatic personae. It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised; it is only in that soil that his roots can be found.”

~ S. Adebanji Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing, 2010, p. 57.

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But Tao11 when I did my NYSC in Maiduguri once I told the Kanuri I was Yoruba they always told me that their founding Fathers had migrated from the East with Oduduwa and the Kanuri don't see eye to eye with the Fulani s at all infact Gen Abacha who deposed the Sultan of Sokoto at a time he seemed all powerful was a Kanuri man

The Jukun who are Sworn enemies of the Fulani Jihad also have the same migration Story

It is Possible that Oduduwa was a Prince born in YORUBALAND but I am convinced that he has some ancestry from the Kisra migration party
Of 700AD and the Duguwa dynasty that was ousted from Power in 1082 AD that coincided with the time Oduduwa turned up in Ile Ife

After all the Queen of England is a descendant of Mohammed through a Royal Spanish ancestor of hers that converted to Christianity

King Kisra fought Mohammed in 684 AD and according to the Acipu tribe of Northern Nigeria Kisra was the Father of Damerudu. Yoruba call him Lamerudu who was the father of Damasa and Oduduwa

That gets you well into the 7 th Century

There are indigenous Shuwa Arabs in Borno today So the idea of Oduduwa having some Arab lineage is not too far out

Oranmiyan Crossed River Niger with an Army to fight the war to reclaim his Grandfathers kingdom it was the Nupe king that persuaded him that it was a bad idea and gave him. his daughter who gave birth to Alaafin Sango as wife

Nupe claim to have migrated from the Kanuri land

Oranmiyan could have been heading to Kanuri land where the pre Islamic Duguwa dynasty were ousted from power by Sefyawa Muslims in 1082 AD


Again could ancient Yorubas have abbreviated Omo Duguwa to Oduduwa?

The Atta Igala claims that the Yoruba were part of the Jukun led Army that fought the Islamists in Borno can you see the link

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2019/05/igbo-yoruba-affinity-ifa-oracle-is-the-connecting-link-of-original-nigerians-attah-of-igala/amp/

Rev Samuel Johnsons version of Oranmiyans Aborted expedition to "Mecca"

Mabizeka:
Even though I'm Yoruba but I think the Igbos are will take this lightly

so u have suddenly turn to Yoruba?all these Igbos suffering from inferiority complex self,they are never proud of their origin

christistruth01:
But Tao11 when I did my NYSC in Maiduguri once I told the Kanuri I was Yoruba they always told me that their founding Fathers had migrated from the East with Oduduwa and the Kanuri don't see eye to eye with the Fulani s at all infact Gen Abacha who deposed the Sultan of Sokoto at a time he seemed all powerful was a Kanuri man

The Jukun who are Sworn enemies of the Fulani Jihad also have the same migration Story

You seem to be reading my comments too fast. The answers to your comment are always found in the very comment you’re quoting.

(1) I have already addressed the plurality of the story among the different Nigerian groups where I wrote that:

“To buttress this point further vis-a-vis the other groups in relation to which you may have read a similar story; Sultan Bello did not limit his story to the Yorubas.

In fact, he specifically mentioned that the Nupe people, the “Ya-ory” people and in fact, all the tribes of the West Sudan are descended from (and the Nupe are related to) the Yorubas — and that they originally came in from the Middle-East.”

(2) Also, you still seem unknowingly stuck on the stem of the tree rather than consider the actual root of the tree which historians have identified.

For the umpteenth time, the root of these stories is the Fulani writing of Sultan Bello which was intended perhaps to ease proselytizing.

The Yorubas, et al. had their respective original accounts which the Fulani-made story gradually came to replace over time until recently.

It is Possible that Oduduwa was a Prince born in YORUBALAND but I am convinced that he has some ancestry from the Kisra migration party of 700AD

Let me point out quickly that the Kisra legend is one variant of the actual unsubstantiated story penned by Sultan Bello.

There is no historical evidence for this legend, neither is there any historical evidence to support the first story (Bello’s) on which it and others are based.

There are corpus of literature from the Islamic world (regarding Muhammad’s campaigns) and literature from Middle East in general, there is no support for this legend in any of their corpus of writings.

Moreover, your version here is interesting and unique to you. You see, professional historians do not simply sit back and guess out the history of a group of people.

Neither, do they go about asking Hausas/Fulanis about the history of Yorubas. No! To know what your family name is, I should actually ask you or some member of your family — I shouldn’t ask some foreigner.

This is precisely what Clapperton and Johnson had done on Oduduwa’s roots until recently when professional historian recognized that hole.

Professional historians have now done the right thing of turning to the Yorubas themselves (rather than to non-Yorubas) in order to inquire about what their original traditional narrative actually say regarding the historicity of Oduduwa’s roots.

The general outline of the original Yoruba traditional narrative of Oduduwa’s roots (prior to its apparent suppression by Bello’s story and all its variants) can be summarized as follows:

“Some small settlements had, for a long time, existed on hills beyond the immediate environs of the settlements in the Ife bowl. At some point in time, one of them moved down, staked claims to some land within the area and started to build a new settlement. Its leader was a man named Oduduwa. Before this group came, there was already an area that the old settlements generally regarded as land for strangers. It was into this area that the group now commonly represented in the traditions as the Oduduwa group moved. From the moment that this group arrived, it was unprepared to accept the claims of precedence by the older settlements; it was also not willing to have any dealings with the existing alliance of kings. All this led to the beginning of conflicts between the Oduduwa group and some of the older settlements, and this conflicts got worse over a long time.”

~ S. Adebanji Akintoye: “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing, 2010, p. 57; citing Adediran: “The Early Beginnings of the Ife State,” pp. 77-95; and Obayemi: “The Phenomenon of Oduduwa in Ife History,” pp. 62-76; in I. Adeagbo Akinjogbin: “The Cradle of a Race: Ife from the Beginning to 1980,” Sunray Publications, 1992.

So, if you’re asking what the Yorubas held originally regarding the historicity of Oduduwa’s roots, then that is it for you.

The idea of a migration of Oduduwa (or his ancestors) from the Middle-East is originally alien to the Yorubas. As historians have shown, this later idea emerged from Hausaland.

Again, if I must know your family name, I should ask you (or/and members of your family) and not some foreigner. Don’t you agree?

After all the Queen of England is a descendant of Mohammed through a Royal Spanish ancestor of hers that converted to Christianity

Lol. Regardless of the truth nature of this (true or false) this is irrelevant to the historical roots of Oduduwa (or Yorubas).

Yoruba indigenous traditional narrative debunks the Middle-East migration story. Scientific evidence also debunks the story.

One question you must ponder deeply is as follows:

“Why do I wish so badly that this Middle-East migration story is true despite the fact that: (i) this story originated from a non-Yoruba source(a Fulani ); (ii) Yorubas originally have no such story in their tradition, and (iii) professional historians now reject such story as ‘unhistorical’?? ?? ?? ?? ??”

If you ponder this question genuinely, I bet you will become free from the block. I was once there.

Cheers!

Sorry I already began replying your comment prior to when you modified for this part of your comment.

christistruth01:
•••King Kisra fought Mohammed in 684 AD and according to the Acipu tribe of Northern Nigeria Kisra was the Father of Damerudu. Yoruba call him Lamerudu who was the father of Damasa and Oduduwa

That gets you well into the 7 th Century

I have addressed this already, but it seems you mistakenly missed it again. I’d use this opportunity to address it again with some more details.

Firstly: Muhammad died in 632AD, I’m not sure then how he could have fought anyone in 684 AD.

Secondly: like I noted earlier the kisra legend is simply one of the backdrops of the actual story originally made up by Sultan Bello for proselytization purposes.

Thirdly: like I also noted earlier Oduduwa flourished in circa 1000 AD.

In other words, he is centuries away from the legends you’re trying hard to pin him to.

Yorubas have no such name as Lamurudu, et al. in their account of Oduduwa’s roots.

As is to be expected, Lamurudu (Nimrod) first appeared in Sultan Bello’s story of Oduduwa’s roots.

There are indigenous Shuwa Arabs in Borno today So the idea of Oduduwa having some Arab lineage is not too far out

Lol. This is a contradictory statement actually. Arabs are by necessity non-indigenous to Nigeria region.

This is like claiming that you’re a married bachelor.

However, even if this was to have made any sense, how could that possibly override the fact that Yorubas originally say something else about Oduduwa?

How could that possibly override the present-day conclusion of historical scholarship which states that Oduduwa is indigenous to Yorubaland?

Oranmiyan Crossed River Niger with an Army to fight the war to reclaim his Grandfathers kingdom it was the Nupe king that persuaded him that it was a bad idea and gave him. his daughter who gave birth to Alaafin Sango as wife. Nupe claim to have migrated from the Kanuri land

Oranmiyan wasn’t trying to go to no Middle-East. There is nothing of such in the original traditions of the Yorubas.

This story emerged from Johnson’s interpretation of Oranmiyans sourjourn to establish his own kingdom (Oyo-Ile) in the frontier region of the Oyo, Nupe, and Bariba countries.

Oranmiyan could have been heading to Kanuri land where the pre Islamic Duguwa dynasty were ousted from power by Sefyawa Muslims in 1082 AD


Again could ancient Yorubas have abbreviated Omo Duguwa to Oduduwa?

The Atta Igala claims that the Yoruba were part of the Jukun led Army that fought the Islamists in Borno can you see the link

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2019/05/igbo-yoruba-affinity-ifa-oracle-is-the-connecting-link-of-original-nigerians-attah-of-igala/amp/

What about you consider putting speculations aside and ask simple questions? — questions such as:

(1) Who started this Mecca and Middle East Oduduwa migration thingy?

(2) Did the Yorubas themselves originally say such thing about Oduduwa?

And the straightforward answers are:

(1) A non-Yoruba originated it — a Fulani.

(2) No! The original Yoruba account maintain that Oduduwa’s root/origin is from within the Ife country.

Rev Samuel Johnsons version of Oranmiyans Aborted expedition to "Mecca"

I addressed this.

The most that the Yoruba account says is that Oranmiyan is a brave warrior who goes about on military expeditions, etc.

This particular episode relates simply to his quest to establish his own kingdom which he eventually founded near the banks of the River Niger — Oyo-Ile.

The idea that he was trying to go to Mecca but was stopped with the offer of a wife (as you’ve put it above) is S. Johnson’s interpretation of Oranmiyan’s sourjourn based on his (Johnson’s) usage of Bello’s initial Meccan origin story.

Cheers!