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Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:14pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
mrvitalis:I disagree. ![]() In Genesis, God had a plan to bless the world through the seed of Abraham. This plan was not realized as part of the Old Covenant since the Old Covenant was the realization of God's promise to Abraham, a separate idea from the idea/plan God had to bless the world through Abraham. ![]() Now, through His prophets God announced His new Plan to introduce a New Covenant to the same people of Israel. Recall that the prophets were not sent to the people of any other nation but to/on behalf of the nation of Israel, so the announcement was made to them that God was bringing to them a new Covenant. ![]() In came Jesus Christ, the New Covenant who was promised and sent to the people of Israel with whom Jesus Christ stayed with until His very end. But while He stayed with His people, He taught His disciples His truth as they walked about 3.5 years with Him. After His mission to the people of Israel was concluded, Jesus Christ, the Son of God(essentially God Himself) sent the disciples out into the world(the Gentile world off course) to take the plan into the world, fulfilling the plan which God made back in Genesis. Of course the 12 found it hard to do. They were not learned men and so where not prepared to leave their traditional Jewish ways to enter into the world of the Gentiles. They were raised all their lives among Jews to believe that Gentiles were dogs and unclean and unworthy. ![]() They hesitated at first by eventually made it into the world. I read a story of Andrew going as far as the country of Georgia. Another one of the disciples, Thomas is claimed to have been killed in India. ![]() They were humans but they definitely did go to spread the Gospel to the world just as Jesus Christ commanded of them. ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:18pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Cutehector:If you like have all the love and faith you can conjure up for yourself in the world, if it is not in obedience to the very teachings of Jesus Christ, it all amounts to nothing at the end of your stay on this planet. ![]() The unbelievers also have love and they too have faith.. Does that mean they are right with God? ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:25pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
FirstSon01:I am afraid what you believe there is a lie. ![]() Pick up your Bible to read for yourself one day so you learn the Truth of God aside from the doctrines and rules you have been fed by men. ![]() Jesus Christ Himself did tell you that He came for the lost sheep of Israel.. So did Jesus Christ lie? ![]() Jesus Christ's mission to the lost sheep of Israel was completely when He died on the cross, and after He rose, He sent His disciples into the rest of the world, to teach them to obey the same New Covenant He had brought to them and thought them while they walked with Him. ![]() You are misinformed if you believe that Paul is the only disciple who preached to the Gentiles. If you read widely, you will read that Andrew is suggested to have reached as far as the country of Georgia with the Gospel, and Thomas- there is reason to believe He may have died somewhere in India. While Paul stayed mostly within the Roman world, the other disciples were also sent out by the Spirit of God to far away places, even Africa. |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by budaatum: 9:26pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: According to Jesus, yes. www.nairaland.com/attachments/11039027_psx20200212120340_jpegb63adb5ff044a1c031e3dde7d11e9cd7 |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by lilvicky68(m): 9:29pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
budaatum:Unbelievers cannot have faith in what they don't believe..they can have love but not faith |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:30pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Moventist:I am afraid you lie when you claim there is no difference between the two. Jesus Christ is the truth of God therefore all the doctrines and rules give you by Paul that do not have correlations Truths in the teachings of Jesus Christ are lies, and this according to Jesus Christ Himself. And there are numerous examples of them. |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:34pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
IamaNigerianGuy:I am afraid the Bible is not "progressively revelatory" as you claim. Those differences in teachings are what Jesus Christ Himself warned His followers against submitting to, calling them lies that are meant to deceive and to destroy the souls of those who adopt them. ![]() Why would Jesus Christ spend so much time warning against the doctrines and traditions(commandments) of men if according to you, His truth is meant to be "progressively revelatory" ? ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:35pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Habeyy:Wrong! Your assumptions about the Old Covenant and the concept of grace have absolutely nothing to do with this topic. |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:38pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Rensolar:Have you evrr read your Bible at all? ![]() Open it to Matthew 25 vs 31-46. There Jesus Christ Himself informs you that your righteousness will be measured by your works on earth. ![]() So where did Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, tell you that after He does, everything He taught you will become meaningless? ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:40pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
toolovely:Denying the Truth of God does not make you godly. It instead means you are willing to lie even with the Truth of God right in front of your very eyes. ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:41pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Elijahrona:In this case, it is not just the blackman but the world that has been deceived by the lies that fill the world about Jesus Christ's teachings. |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:46pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
princeakinola1: When Jesus Christ started teaching His disciples, they dd not have the Spirit of God and some of them could not en reading at all. So this lie that you need this and that to understand the teachings of Jesus Christ is not of God. ![]() The Gospels are written in human language, not by angels, but by ordinary men, in human speak, and all you need is basic human language comprehension skills to understand what Jesus Christ taught. ![]() Jesus Christ even said something curious. He commands that you begin by using the understanding you have, and He will aid you if you need more. But when you refuse to use the little / basic comprehension skills you have in learning His Truth, He will take even that away from you so you will not know the Truth when you see it. ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 9:57pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
paxonel:There are no differences between what Jesus Christ taught His Jewish followers and His Gentile followers. ![]() Jesus Christ fulfilled the Old Covenant Law on behalf of those Jews who would want to follow Him while, so why would He have had to the again create a separate set of laws for them? ![]() Why would He, the New Covenant, create separate agreements within Himself for the Jewish and then for the Gentiles when He came to remove all separation and make us all one, Sons of God? ![]() By your very claim,, you suggest that there is racism in the Kingdom of Heaven. This because you dont want to admit there indeed exists discrepancies between the doctrines taught by Paul and that taught us by our Master Jesus Christ? ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:06pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
debayun:Is God not the one who designed and built that machine you call a brain? Why are u afraid to use it when processing the Truth of doctrines and commandments of men that are fed you against the very teachings of God? ![]() Do you think God goes "I am proud of you" when you say thinks like you dont use the understanding you have in processing what you are fed to know if it belongs to God or not? Jesus Christ commanded His followers to use the understanding they have in figuring out what is right and what is wrong. He said those who refuse to use what they have will loose it and to those who have not, more will be given them. ![]() "You have logic..use it." ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:24pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
IamAtikulate:I am afraid you are lost as far as the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven is concerned. ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:29pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
princeakinola1:Nowhere in the Bible are you even told that you need the Spirit of God to read the scriptures to you yet many of you cling to that very lie as if it can save you ![]() Jesus Christ taught His teachings to uneducated poor people who did not have the Spirit of God, and they heard and learned His truth. ![]() The same Truth is preserved for you to read in the 4 Gospels, and all you need is your basic human languagee comprehension skills to learn what is written there by human hands in himan language for the education of humans. Yet many of you refuse to read claiming it is not clear. ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:36pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Outreachms:Actually, the Spirit says that indeed there are discrepancies between what we have as the letters of Paul today and the very Teachings of Jesus Christ, the one who is the Truth of God. ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:37pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Brunicekid:Jesus Christ is the Word of God. So if the words attributed to Paul does not match the Word of God, then Paul's words are not the Word of God. |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:39pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
MrPresident1:Oh, there are indeed many discrepancies that exist between the teachings of Jesus Christ and what is attributed to Paul in his letters. Jesus Christ does not lie...Paul's letters on the other hand, contain teachings that have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ. |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:42pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
indomitable234:So Jesus Christ's teachings where what? Based on half-baked Truth of God? ![]() Come one people! ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:44pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Adakintroy2:Paul never studied at the feet of Jesus Christ...He was not one of the 12 disciples . ![]() Also, many of the teaching in pauls letters today contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ while some others are not even based on the Truth of Jesus Christ's teachings. ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:55pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
OBAGADAFFI:The teachings of Jesus Christ of are covered in all of the Gospels and not just in. One verse. |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 10:59pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
mu2sa2:Jesus Christ never commanded you to believe in the words of anyman but Himself to begin with. So if all you believe in just what is written in the 4 Gospels, you will in fact enter into Heaven is you obey. He did not send His followers to read doctrines and traditions of men in addition to His teachings -He commanded against the adoption of such "lies", He called them ![]() |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 11:00pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
letitrainnow:That is a lie! |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Kobojunkie: 11:04pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
myk2mic: Again, the idea that you are not under Law in Jesus Christ is erroneous. Jesus Christ is the New Covenant/Law that God made with you and under this agreement, you are indeed expected to accept and obey the terms of the agreement if you plan to enter into Heaven. ![]() Your integration of what Paul said is in direct conflict with the very teaching/commandment of Jesus Christ Himself. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by budaatum: 12:51am On Mar 16, 2021 |
lilvicky68: Is faith more important than love? Do you not find it odd that Christ would say "go and do like the pagan non-believing orangutan Samaritan", instead of the believing Levite and the believing priest, who, precisely because of their faith, left that which was godly undone? |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by lilvicky68(m): 6:30am On Mar 16, 2021 |
budaatum:The only way to the Father is through the Son Jesus Christ..If you don't believe in Jesus Christ how then can you get to the Father. Unbelievers cannot make heaven unless they believe in Jesus Christ even if they do good.. 1 Like |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by budaatum: 1:06pm On Mar 16, 2021 |
lilvicky68: And yet, the Father has many mansions, and some yelling Jesus is Lord will gnash their teeth when they are told "I know you not" and be thrown into the blazing furnace, and here is Christ specifically in answer to the question "Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life" which can only be lived with the Father, saying "[url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=KJV]Go an do like the pagan non-believing orangutan Samaritan[/url]". So, let me ask you. Will the trembling entity described below also go to the Father? www.nairaland.com/attachments/11663600_20200604102351774_jpeg_jpeg0a6707a5c919e2761327fab9920679aa And how about those who do what is described below, will they not go to the Father unless they believe in Jesus Christ? www.nairaland.com/attachments/13268902_screenshot20210316115658_jpeg262510ecffd0207fe6edabdc0e55dd58 |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by budaatum: 1:17pm On Mar 16, 2021 |
lilvicky68: I just realised its my unmarried tutor on cheating husbands, lol, which make me want to ask if one can have faith in a marriage with a partner who can't keep his priq out of hos? |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by lilvicky68(m): 1:26pm On Mar 16, 2021 |
budaatum:You know what I'm saying is true but you're just quoting more and more scriptures.. |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by lilvicky68(m): 1:27pm On Mar 16, 2021 |
budaatum:Madam we will take marriage lessons later..I'm not talking about that one now.. |
Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by budaatum: 2:30pm On Mar 16, 2021 |
lilvicky68:Lol! lilvicky68:You continue to convince yourself that what you say is the truth when the truth is you have not even read your Bible to know what you should believe or not. Like with marriage, you will find out the truth right here on this earth. |
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