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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:40am On Mar 09, 2021
There is FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION and WORSHIP!
Everyone is expected to say something whether true or false, it's either you agree or disagree nobody has the authority to shut down others from airing their thoughts and opinions! smiley
If i say what i beleive all you can do is PRESENT a better option and allow the audience to choose Mr Counterintuitive! cheesy
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob reigns Supreme {Exodus 6:2-3 compare to Psalms 83:18} he has sent his only begotten son (Jesus Christ) to save mankind from sin {John 3:16-18} we (JWs) are Witnesses of this fact {Act 1:8} we have been able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. John 17:20-23
No member of our spiritual family carries deadly weapons around and we have vowed never to raise up weapons against anyone as long as we live! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3
So Ògbéni you either present a better working option or keep shut, stop being silly! cheesy


Amujale:

Indeed you are, you make a false and malicious claim and are being asked to provide the proof that substantiates your false claims.
Again, assuming you have no proof for your false narratives and fictional characters, kindly refrain from peddling them here.
Perhaps you forgot what the topic is all about.
Would you want me to refresh your memory?

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:04am On Mar 09, 2021
Christianity came to Africa when JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES began preaching from house to house and teaching people what God says from door to door. Matthew 10:1-15
The first set of white men that stepped on our soil carrying Bibles were not Christians they are Politicians
True Christians don't carry weapons {Matthew 26:52} so they must never force their beliefs on anyone! Luke 9:51-56
True Christians plead with people to learn how to live with their neighbours in peace, they must PRAY for their enemies instead of thinking of how to kill! Matthew 5:43-48
True Christians have nothing to do with Politics, they neither vote nor speak against constituted authority! John 17:16; Romans 13:1-4
True Christians endeavour to often settle matters amicably {Matthew 18:15-17} they're prepared to live peaceably with all peoples! Romans 12:18
So those who came forcing their opinions on the people with weapons WERE NOT CHRISTIANS BUT POLITICIANS, Politics is what makes some think they're better than others and as long as people continue to engage in Politics there will never be PEACE on this planet.
That's what you failed to grasp! smiley


Amujale:

Colonisation/Imperialism Christianity has betrayed us in more ways than one.
Let's take for instance colonisation.
Colonisation is one of the worst atrocities in human history.
Let me introduce people to one major aspect of colonisation.
Religion Western Politics
It was during colonisation that Christianity Politics was engineered into many innocent Africans.
This was a lengthy process that took hundreds of years to perpetrate.
The olden days Eurocentric warmongers who were themselves mostly peddlers of these foreign extremist ideologies, would first wage war on innocent people, wage war on their literacy and later begin the social engineering process that led to ongoing perpetuation of their fakery and falsehood.
During this process, people was starved from reading or writing anything partaining to their own literacy, this lasted for over a century. Anyone who was caught reading or writing was murdered by the coloniser.
Then after about over 100 years had passed, the colonisers began to teach a few people how to read and write in the colonisers languages, unbeknown to the innocent Africans present in those days, the book that was being used to teach them this new language wasn't the same book that colonisers used to teach themselves and their own people; no not at all.
That book was none other than the Christian bible.
You read me correctly the first time, the Christian bible was the first and only book that many Africans ever got to read.
Why?
The reason was due to the fact that it was outlawed for any African under the colonial regime to be reading any book outside of the Christian bible. And this went on for close to 100 years.
It wasn't until later years that reading of other books became legalised.
Here people, this one is a betrayal of the highest order.
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by Amujale(m): 5:46pm On Mar 09, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
...Christianity came to Africa when JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES began preaching...

That's a lie.

Since you're poorly read on history it doesn't surprise me that you would make such false and nonsensical claims.

Provide us with the proof, dates and sources.

I'm guessing you haven't a clue what your on about.

As stated earlier, Christianity was introduced into the continent on equal footing with the murder, looting and plunder that occurred during colonisation and slavery.
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by Amujale(m): 5:53pm On Mar 09, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
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Everyone is expected to say something whether true or false, it's either you agree or disagree nobody has the authority to shut down others from airing their thoughts and opinions! smiley
...

Nice try, but you're completely and utterly wrong.

Noone is forcing you to make false and malicious claims.

Whatchu mean?

These foreign extremist ideologies was used to perpetrate colonisation and slavery, yet its these same false and malicious narratives that you're peddling here

Hence, you can pass me with your colourful speech on "Freedom of Speech" and answer my questions.
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by Amujale(m): 6:06pm On Mar 09, 2021
MaxInDHouse:

..The first set of white men that stepped on our soil carrying Bibles were not Christians they are Politicians..


Again that is simply not true.

The first Eurocentric warmongers that stepped onto African soil was Christian ideologues during the first century, fast forward to the most recent colonisation and slavery, the one that I explained the process they employed earlier, was around the 15th century, they was Christian ideologues as well.

These are the reasons you ought to actually go and pick up a proper history text book.

As a matter of fact, there was no politicians boots on the ground until after the first generation of innocent Africans that existed under the colonial regime had been subjected to the brainwashing that was described earlier.

The first Eurocentric ideologues to step foot on the soil was the warmongers and the Missionaries, both of whom was die hard Christians, both of whom perpetrated the initial stage of social engineering.

As in, this is precisely how Christianity got introduced to innocent Africans of the 15th -17th century, who in term introduced this to us.

Therefore, our parents are never to blame for the perpetuation of these false narratives, however, in this day and age, it's our responsibility to put things into their proper perspective and make our world a better place for ourselves and the coming generations.

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by Amujale(m): 6:16pm On Mar 09, 2021
We must first accept that similar to all the other foreign extremist ideologies, Christianity has and continues to betray us exponentially.

And as such, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist ideologies and concentrate our focus on reality.

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:07pm On Mar 09, 2021
Yes! Those people claimed they were Christians but going by what the man Jesus Christ the founder of Christianity laid down as written in that book (Bible) NO! Those people weren't true followers of Christ! smiley
Your hardheartedness can't change the fact that, a tailor must have the scissors, taperule, a sowing machine and able to sow at least something fitting the body.
A Christian group must PREACH and TEACH from house to house, love and respect people in their neighbourhood as they love themselves, desist from the use of weapons, racism and politics.
Even if you don't believe that there was a man named Jesus of Nazareth at least check what the book says and try to correlate with what those white men did back then. If truly they want to represent the man they called Jesus Christ why aren't they anything close to his teachings? smiley


Amujale:

That's a lie.
Since you're poorly read on history it doesn't surprise me that you would make such false and nonsensical claims.
Provide us with the proof, dates and sources.
I'm guessing you haven't a clue what your on about.
As stated earlier, Christianity was introduced into the continent on equal footing with the murder, looting and plunder that occurred during colonisation and slavery.
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:18pm On Mar 09, 2021
Your pigheadedness will never change sheep to wolves in the hearing of an intelligent listener! smiley

Just imagine someone telling you that a flock of sheep came around, killed all the dogs in the neighbourhood, ate their fleshy skin , licked their blood, and turned all other domestic pets into wolf-like sheep.
The first question any sane person will ask you is are you sure of what you're saying? or are you sure they are sheep? smiley
So my friend, those people claimed they are Christians but the fact remains that they're not in anyway close in their activities to Christians as written in the book (Bible) smiley

Amujale:


Again that is simply not true.

The first Eurocentric warmongers that stepped onto African soil was Christian ideologues during the first century, fast forward to the most recent colonisation and slavery, the one that I explained the process they employed earlier, was around the 15th century, they was Christian ideologues as well.

These are the reasons you ought to actually go and pick up a proper history text book.

As a matter of fact, there was no politicians boots on the ground until after the first generation of innocent Africans that existed under the colonial regime had been subjected to the brainwashing that was described earlier.

The first Eurocentric ideologues to step foot on the soil was the warmongers and the Missionaries, both of whom was die hard Christians, both of whom perpetrated the initial stage of social engineering.

As in, this is precisely how Christianity got introduced to innocent Africans of the 15th -17th century, who in term introduced this to us.

Therefore, our parents are never to blame for the perpetuation of these false narratives, however, in this day and age, it's our responsibility to put things into their proper perspective and make our world a better place for ourselves and the coming generations.


Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:27pm On Mar 09, 2021
Right from inception our people here have their own religion (forms of worship) the politics back then is not mixed with religion. So if the chief priest say something about the gods the king and his chiefs (Politicians) will think of what to do, either to follow what the oracle say or ignore. In most cases our rulers often ignore the oracles whenever they find the words of the oracle unpalatable.
But those white men came with their priests pretended as if they're here for religious purpose instead their target was to dominate our people.
So stop blaming their actions on Christianity because that's not what Jesus of Nazareth the man called Christ in the book (Bible) taught his followers (Christians) to do! smiley


Amujale:
We must first accept that similar to all the other foreign extremist ideologies, Christianity has and continues to betray us exponentially.
And as such, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist ideologies and concentrate our focus on reality.
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by Amujale(m): 8:39pm On Mar 09, 2021
MaxInDHouse:

So stop blaming their actions on Christianity because that's not what Jesus of Nazareth


Firstly, Jesus is a fictitious character, it's all apart of the fakery and falsehood.

Secondly, I will continue to point out the fact that Christianity is a foreign extremist ideology that is responsible for colonisation and slavery, both physically and mentally.

Furthermore, stop being a Eurocentric apologist that just makes you a hater of your own self.

When you've been presented with the facts and all you can does is spout out these same false narratives and fictional characters that was used to perpetrate horrific atrocities on innocent Africans.

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by Amujale(m): 8:49pm On Mar 09, 2021
MaxInDHouse:

...those people claimed they are Christians but the fact remains that they're not in anyway close in their activities to Christians as written in the book (Bible) smiley


The Christian bible isn't a history textbook.

That book is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

Furthermore, it was these same type of Eurocentric ideologues that perpetrated colonisation and enslavement who also invented the Christian bible.

The Pope ordered the transatlantic slave trade and his predecessors invented the Christian bible.

There's no separating Christianity from the Christian bible , from colonisation and slavery.

Hence, you can pass me with your disengenous and unhonest rhetoric.

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:00am On Mar 10, 2021
Nepotism is your problem!
You're like a hunter who heard that a sheep killed his hound and the next thing is you've developed intense hatred for anything called sheep.
You make no investigation on the messages passed to you and this has turned you to a victim of psychological damage.
Jesus of Nazareth is a real person that walked this planet what happened along the line was a misrepresentation by politicians claiming they're followers of a lowly hearted Jewish teacher.
I am an ex-military intelligence officer my experience has earned me a lot of wisdom that no false accusations can blur my senses from recognizing a sabotage. You can continue with your Churchgoer friends, Jehovah's Witnesses have stood out as a unique global family of peace loving worshipers that's all what Jesus of Nazareth dreamt of when he said "you will be my Witnesses across the globe" {Act 1:8} so if you now wake up from your nightmare telling people that Jesus never existed then you've got a global family to contend with, just explain how people from different races throughout the earth agreed to surrender their weapons, settle all the disputes causing wars on this planet, move from house to house with the aim of making people forgo hatred against their fellowman and vowing never to pick up weapons anymore all in the name of a fictional character! Micah 4:1-3
Meanwhile try to erase the name from the brains of Churchgoers who claims they're performing miracles using the name! cheesy

Amujale:


Firstly, Jesus is a fictitious character that never existed, it's all apart of the fakery and falsehood.

Secondly, I will continue to point out the fact that Christianity is a foreign extremist ideology that is responsible for colonisation and slavery, both physically and mentally.

Furthermore, stop being a Eurocentric apologist that just makes you a hater of your own self.

When you've been presented with the facts and all you can does is spout out these same false narratives and fictional characters that was used to perpetrate horrific atrocities on innocent Africans.



Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by Nobody: 11:59am On Mar 10, 2021
MaxInDHouse:

I am an ex-military intelligence officer my experience has earned me a lot of wisdom that no false accusations can blur my senses from recognizing a sabotage.


Lol, ex-military intelligence officer for the Salvation Army.

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:36pm On Mar 10, 2021
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Digging intelligently to unravel the most complicating issues! wink

Martian:

Lol, ex-military intelligence officer for the Salvation Army.
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by Amujale(m): 11:40am On Mar 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
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I am an ex-military intelligence officer...

Then, stop buck dancing on this topic.

Provide us with the evidence of your fictional characters and false narratives.

And whilst your at it, explain the rationale behind peddling these foreign extremist ideologies when you already know that they are responsible for perpetrating colonisation and slavery.

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by Amujale(m): 11:51am On Mar 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
...telling people that Jesus never existed then you've got a global family to contend with...

Firstly, I have no interest in what other people outsid of our continent peddle, as long as their fakery isn't peddle to us. My interventions are strictly for the African

Secondly, given the disclaimer above, I challenge anyone from anywhere to debate me on this topic.

Furthermore, Jesus is a fictitious character.

As in, there was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ.

Again, I'm not interested in your nonsensical rhetoric. Assuming you have any such proof to contradict the fact that the Jesus character is fictional, kindly provide them here.

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:42pm On Mar 16, 2021
I've told you that the churches have come to stay so it's you not them that needs to prove something!
They're everywhere it's your own thoughts that's not operational anywhere! smiley


Amujale:

Then, stop buck dancing on this topic.
Provide us with the evidence of your fictional characters and false narratives.
And whilst your at it, explain the rationale behind peddling these foreign extremist ideologies when you already know that they are responsible for perpetrating colonisation and slavery.

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:46pm On Mar 16, 2021
Keep crying like a baby whose bread was taken by a lamb! cheesy
Nobody got your time so if you've got something worthwhile to say go ahead but thinking someone is thinking about you, my guy you don't even exist.
Unless you prove what you're saying! cheesy

Amujale:


Firstly, I have no interest in what other people outsid of our continent peddle, as long as their fakery isn't peddle to us. My interventions are strictly for the African

Secondly, given the disclaimer above, I challenge anyone from anywhere to debate me on this topic.

Furthermore, Jesus is a fictitious character that never existed.

As in, there was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ.

Again, I'm not interested in your nonsensical rhetoric. Assuming you have any such proof to contradict the fact that the Jesus character is fictional, kindly provide them here.

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by sonmvayina(m): 3:24pm On Mar 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
I've told you that the churches have come to stay so it's you not them that needs to prove something!
They're everywhere it's your own thoughts that's not operational anywhere! smiley



One church at a time...we will ger there..

Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:30pm On Mar 16, 2021
So no need for arguments, after all we will get there! cheesy

sonmvayina:

One church at a time...we will ger there..

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by budaatum: 3:36pm On Mar 16, 2021
Amujale:


Furthermore, Jesus is a fictitious character that never existed.

You are repeatedly asked for evidence for this your claim but all you do is assert and assert and assert, which just reminds me of a God who places cherubims with swords to guide the way to the Tree of Life so we humans may not pluck its fruit and live forever.

Amujale, would you not rather teach so we may learn?
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:44pm On Mar 16, 2021
He's just constituting a nuisance yet he feels important, sonmvayina his friend said he's talking sense yet he is saying Abrahamic religion is a scam while sonmvayina is saying people should revert to the Torah (the laws in Abrahamic religion)
Insanes everywhere!cheesy

budaatum:

You are repeatedly asked for evidence for this your claim but all you do is assert and assert and assert, which just reminds me of a God who places cherubims with swords to guide the way to the Tree of Life so we humans may not pluck its fruit and live forever.
Amujale, would you not rather teach so we may learn?
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by budaatum: 3:50pm On Mar 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
He's just constituting a nuisance yet he feels important, sonmvayina his friend said he's talking sense yet he is saying Abrahamic religion is a scam while sonmvayina is saying people should revert to the Torah (the laws in Abrahamic religion)
Insanes everywhere!cheesy

Imagine sonm preaching an eye for an eye and stoning adulterers and disobedient children in this advanced evolved age we are in!

I think they want us to believe them, lol, which might be possible if they provide evidence for their claim, but instead they behave like mogs and expect us to become their sheep, which is what they claim they are against.
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by sonmvayina(m): 3:54pm On Mar 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
So no need for arguments, after all we will get there! cheesy


Exactely...tell your colleagues to stop knocking on peoples doors and disturbing them about a fictional character, tell them how to be financially independent....

Not about a story that was cooked up by the romans to deceieve people...
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by budaatum: 4:16pm On Mar 16, 2021
sonmvayina:


Exactely...tell your colleagues to stop knocking on peoples doors and disturbing them about a fictional character, tell them how to be financially independent....

Not about a story that was cooked up by the romans to deceieve people...

Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:34pm On Mar 16, 2021
Let's talk some sense into your skull! wink

You need to be consistent before anyone can take you serious.
For instance, Amujale is totally against Abraham or anything that comes from the Jews while you are telling everyone to live by the Torah, yet you're saying Amujale is making sense!
Why not agree with Amujale first at least let's see how both of you reconcile whether people should discard Abrahamic concepts or not? cheesy

Secondly you're of the opinion that people will only reincarnate as many times as possible until they reach Nirvana which you can't prove from the Abrahamic religious book. OK let's take it for you said it, but you're still agitating saying the God of Abraham will punish people for not obeying the Torah!

Is it when they reincarnate or after about a hundredth reincarnation? embarassed

We are of the opinion that people will die forever and never see life again that's why we preach and teach them. But you, what exactly are you trying to say? cheesy

sonmvayina:

Exactely...tell your colleagues to stop knocking on peoples doors and disturbing them about a fictional character, tell them how to be financially independent....
Not about a story that was cooked up by the romans to deceieve people...

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by kkins25(m): 5:20pm On Mar 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Christianity came to Africa when JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES began preaching from house to house and teaching people what God says from door to door. Matthew 10:1-15
Sneaky Son of a B**** I admire these skills. Yet you dare say politicians aren't true Christians..

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:40pm On Mar 16, 2021
I believe most of you atheists read books nah! undecided

Why not read through the comments of the man named Jesus known as Christ and reason for yourself if any true adherents of his words could ever be found in Politics?

Use your brains!
Nobody can cook up a story to convince you that a flock of sheep came around in your absence, killed all the hounds in the village and turned all other domestic pets to wolve-like sheep!

I'm sure that as stupid as you're you will never believe such a story.

WHY?

Because everyone knows the attributes of sheep! smiley

kkins25:

Sneaky Son of a B**** I admire these skills. Yet you dare say politicians aren't true Christians..

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by sonmvayina(m): 6:35pm On Mar 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Let's talk some sense into your skull! wink

You need to be consistent before anyone can take you serious.
For instance, Amujale is totally against Abraham or anything that comes from the Jews while you are telling everyone to live by the Torah, yet you're saying Amujale is making sense!
Why not agree with Amujale first at least let's see how both of you reconcile whether people should discard Abrahamic concepts or not? cheesy

Secondly you're of the opinion that people will only reincarnate as many times as possible until they reach Nirvana which you can't prove from the Abrahamic religious book. OK let's take it for you said it, but you're still agitating saying the God of Abraham will punish people for not obeying the Torah!

Is it when they reincarnate or after about a hundredth reincarnation? embarassed

We are of the opinion that people will die forever and never see life again that's why we preach and teach them. But you, what exactly are you trying to say? cheesy


Well maybe you are just JJC to my post and thread on this forum.

I have always said that the characters in the stories are not real, i have always maintained that the bible is not a history text book. It is a spiritual manual to guide our journey on earth. We are spiritual beings having a human experience and not the other way round.

I opened a thread titled "the letter killeth"

You and your lots keep interpreting scriptures as literal when they are not. Read the gaddam thing and learn the message in it.
That is what Amujale is saying too. He went further to say we should stop promoting mid eastern mythology but our own.

I opened another thread saying the only reason i quote from the jewish scriptures is because that is what most are familiar with. The torah is exactely like the igbo omenani. Just the nomenclature that is different...
God never commanded anybody to follow "his son" and discard his laws anywhere in the tanakh.
So, i dont know what you are on.. God did promise to send the jews a messiah, but he is going to be a man like you and me..not half man half god....those ideology belongs to Roman/greeks mythology...so jesus must just be like perseus or prometheus....(name sound similar) isnt it?...


So understand me.

The stories are not real....we are expected to learn the messages it contain..they are still about Enki and Enlil...and their sons and daughters..

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Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:59pm On Mar 16, 2021
sonmvayina:


I have always said that the characters in the stories are not real

It is a spiritual manual to guide our journey on earth


Please take a deep breath and think of how to explain this to your own child! cheesy

Amujale is saying we should stop promoting mid eastern mythology but our own

Now where is that your own that you and Amujale failed to promote yet hammering on the Torah? smiley
Amujale refused to promote his own at least to help his audience observe the betterment instead he kept flogging a dead horse! cheesy
Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:29pm On Mar 16, 2021
buda be careful o!
Please don't break my ribs with jokes abeg!

budaatum:

Tell him the truth. See how he writes in his local indigenous language and not that of the coloniser.

See the pics of one of their professors below, this one kept kicking against the Churches but he later wanted to contest in Politics, he decided to start from the grassroot. Uncle can't even win his constituency as a Counsilor! embarassed
WHY?
His atheist and agnostic family didn't vote for him that's when he realized that Politicians going to church don't really believe in God, Their faith is in the majority.
So if the majority are gays a real Politician will never say a word against homosexuality, and if the majority are drunkards a real Politician will do everything within his power to promote breweries, real Politicians have no UNIQUE FAITH or PRINCIPLE! cheesy

Re: Colonial/imperialist Christianity Has Betrayed Us All! by budaatum: 7:58pm On Mar 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Politicians have no UNIQUE FAITH or PRINCIPLE! cheesy

His mistake is really that he did go to church to learn from devious Paul or he would have made himself a slave to everyone and been all things to all men and got himself elected.

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