plaetton:

Another broken record.
This is probably the biggest load of crap I have come across recently on this forum.
This is why I hardly mock Islam. A typical moslem knows and understands his religion.

You and your kind, on the other hand, display a level of ignorance about your religion that is simply astonishing, to say the least.
I have asked you before, upon whom and what philosophy does christianity rests on? Jesus or some other?
Surely, Jesus spent most of his life preaching love, tolerance, kindness,inclusiveness, etc, what you , today, call secular values. Not so?

What on earth is christian love without all of the above?
How can you bold-facedly repudiate the very core teachings of Jesus in public, and still call yourself a christian?


In the context of the issues on this topic, what is the relevance of this quote?



And what exactly are these strict christian doctrines you boast about?
Let me guess: Spread enough intolerance and hate in this life in exchange for eternal bliss in Sugar Candy Mountain, sorry, I mean heaven, right?
Or is it sexually molesting young faithfuls, blackmailing and financially sapping the faithful in the name of Jesus?



What gibberish is this
What are you drinking?



Another gibberish.
Who , and when were these so-called christian definition of love articulated?
Was it by Jesus, Paul, Constantine, The early church fathers, the Popes or the latter day pentecostal fraudsters?

When did all this spiritual mumbo jumbo creep into christianity?
And who are the custodians and interpreters of these spiritual mumbo jumbo?

And what is more important to you and your fellow christians?
The simple humanistic life and teachings of Jesus, or the spiritual mumbo jumbos that followed after his demise?


You have forgotten that Jesus did not sorrounded himself with like-minded drones, but reached out unconditionally to people considered sinful and unworthy.
I guess you have not read that part of the bible, huh?

You are also ignorant of the facts that the early christians went out of their way to recruit criminals, convicts, prostitutes and all manners of social outcasts, in order to highlight the inclusiveness of their new humanistic philosophy that emphasized love for all.

Infact, for this very act of openness to the rejects of society, the christians were accused of all manners of sins like homosexuality, beastiality, and all manners of perversions, in order to garner public outrage , condemnations, and then pave the way for their eventual persecutions.
The rest is history.

You are one very ignorant and confused christian.

You should be thoroughly ashamed that you need an atheist to educate you about the core essence of your religion.

If Jesus were to sneak back into the world today, he would definitely be a secular humanists, democrat, human rights activist, and a staunch environmentalist: ironically, the very kind of people you and your type fear and despise so much.

obadiah777: SHALALALBABABABABAOPRAPAPAPAPAPAPAASHABABABABABA ASHABABABABA OPROKIAHAHAHAHABABABA

plaetton:

This is absolute nonsense and i am surprised that brother(?)Goshen is somewhat supporting this crap.
Let me ask all you, especially mr "christian" Qkeyxyz,
What is a christian or christianity without the teachings of Jesus himself?s

If you, as you just did, repudiate love, tolerance, kindness, inclusiveness, the core teachings of Jesus, then you have just repudiated Jesus himself. Not so?
So, I am asking you guys, WTF is your christianity about?
Jesus and his humanistic teachings are the center of gravity upon which the religion founded on his name should rest.

I have said it before, And I will say it again, Any teaching or philosophy , that, as an adjunct or suppliment, contradicts in any way, the essential teachings of Jesus, are null and void.

So , its time that you start asking yourself whether you are a follower of Jesus or some other adjunct of the christian message.

obadiah777: HEBREWS 10 VS 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me << NOT JUST THE NEW TESTAMENT. THE WHOLE BOOK.

SO I ASK AGAIN. HOW CAN YOU BE AN ELECT WHEN YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE AGAINST HALF OF CHRIST ? SMDH

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR. THAT VERSE IS NOT THE WHOLE WORLD. JUST THE ELECT. AND FROM READING ALL YOUR POSTS YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT AN ELECT COLOSIANS 3 VS 12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; << WHO THE WHOLE BOOK OF COLOSIANS IS REFERING TO. THE ELECT. OR FIRST FRUIT OR FIRST RESSURECTION YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES OKEYXYZ. THAT VERSE FROM COLOSIANS AINT TALKING ABOUT YOU.

UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT YOU ARE PART OF THE FIRST FRUITS, THE LAW STILL APPLIES TO YOU.

MostHigh:

Yashua observed all the above

Wetin come b your own?

Lawless fellow.

MostHigh: :

A good bible dictionary can only define words.

It takes the Holy Spirit to discern the correct context and true translation.

obadiah777: BROTHER, I WOULD GIVE YOU 1000 LIKES BUT I CANT. POIGNANT POINT. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS WHAT DISCERNS THE CONTEXT AND TRUE APPLICATION. BIBLE DICTIONARY CAN ONLY TAKE YOU SO FAR. LIKE YOU CAN TAKE A HORSE TO THE RIVER BUT YOU CANT FORCE IT TO DRINK

obadiah777: ALL THESE THINGS YOU ARE QUOTING YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN. FOR EXAMPLE, SPEAKING WITH A NEW TONGUE. NOW WHILE YOUR CARNAL MIND ASSOCIATES NEW TONGUE WITH 'NEW LANGUAGE', THE LORD ONLY DEALS WITH THE SPIRIT. IT WILL BEHOOVE YOU TO KNOW THAT YOUR PHYSICAL APPLICATION OF SCRIPTURES IS YOUR SHORTCOMING. THE LORD DEALS WITH THE SPIRITUAL. SO WHEN THE LORD SAYS YOU WILL SPEAK WITH A NEW TONGUE IT MEANS YOUR SPIRIT WILL START SPEAKING DIFFERENTLY FROM WHAT IT NORMALLY SAYS MEANING YOUR SPIRIT IS NOW QUICKENED, MEANING YOUR SPIRIT IS NOW HOLY NOW. YOUR SPIRIT IS SPEAKING A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE. SO SPEAKING IN TONGUES MEANS YOU ARE QUICKENED AND SANCTIFIED AND NOW SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OF THE LORD. MEANS YOU ARE A NEW PERSON NOW, NO LONGER A CARNAL PERSON. IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU START SPEAKING SHALALALBABABABABAOPRAPAPAPAPAPAPAASHABABABABABA ASHABABABABA OPROKIAHAHAHAHABABABA <<< THAT AINT SPEAKING WITH NEW TONGUES. THATS VAIN BABBLINGS. YOU DO ERR OKEYXYZ SMDH

obadiah777: THE SIGNS AND WONDERS YOU NEED ARE BEFORE YOUR EYES. THE WORLD. WHAT YOU MY FRIEND ARE LOOKING FOR ARE MAGIC TRICKS. I HAVE A SCRIPTURE FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU
MATTHEW 16 VS 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. <<< THATS YOU BROS OKEYXYZ

obadiah777: 44 And they that did eat of the loaves were about five thousand men. [DID jesus give them wealth] LOAVES IS THE WORD. AS WELL AS MILK, MEAT, HONEY, BREAD AND OIL. THEY ALL MEAN THE WORD. HE PREACHED TO FIVE THOUSAND OR SO MEN

45 And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the ship, and to go to the other side before unto Bethsaida, while he sent away the people. [how do u interpret this] TAKE THE WORD TO BETHSAIDA AFTER THEY HAD WATCHED HIM PREACH TO THE PEOPLE HE JUST SENT AWAY. THEY GOT AN EXAMPLE ON HOW IT IS DONE BY WATCHING HIM, NOW GO AND TAKE THE WORD TO BETHSAIDA

46 And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray. . [HOW DO YOU INTERPRETE THis]
SENT THEM TO BETHSAIDA WHILE HE WENT TO PRAY ALONE

47 And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land. [how do yu interpret this]

AND WHEN HE CAUGHT UP WITH THEM ,HIS DISCIPLES WERE SPREADING THE WORD TO THE PEOPLES WHILE HE WASNT.

48 And he saw them toiling in rowing[THIS]; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them. [THIS] HE SAW THEM STRUGGLING AGAINST THE REPROBATE AND BELLIGERENT ROWDY SCOFFERS AND HE WALKED UP TO THE SCOFFERS AND BATTLED THEM

49 But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out:[How do yu interprete cried out] THEY SAW HIM BATTLING THE ROWDY BELLIGERENT CROWD AND PREVAILED AGAINST THEM, SOMETHING ALL 12 OF THEM COULDNT DO, AND THEY WERE SCARED THINKING HE WAS SOME DEMON ( THATS ONE DEFINITION OF A SPIRIT = DEMON )

50 For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be
not afraid. [how do yu interprete it is i be not afraid] DONT BE SCARED IT IS ME, THE SAME ME YOU KNOW, NOT NO DEMON, DONT BE AFRAID

51 And he went up unto them into the ship; [did he go up into the word] and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and
wondered.
INSTEAD OF LEAVING THEM ALONE TO PREACH BY THEMSELVES HE JOINED THEM AND THE PEOPLE RESPONDED POSITIVELY TO THEIR DOCTRINE AND THEY WERE HAPPY WITH THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEIR CONFIDENCE STARTED GROWING. BEFORE HE LEFT THEM ALONE TO SEE HOW THEIR FAITH WOULD BE BUT THEY FAILED. NOW HE IS TAKING THEM BY THE HAND, BABY-STEPS. DOING IT WITH THEM AND THEIR CONFIDENCE IS GROWING.


THERE GO YOUR ANSWER DESIKA

obadiah777: IN THAT CASE YOU ARE A REPROBATE BECAUSE BIBLE ITSELF TELLS YOU THAT IT INTERPRETS ITSELF. THOSE VERSES YOU QUOTED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BIBLE NOT INTERPRETING ITSELF. THOSE ARE ABOUT SOME PEOPLE BLINDED SO THEY CANT UNDERSTAND THE WORD.

obadiah777: ALL VAIN OPINIONS. AS AN ELECT YOU ARE ALREADY SAVED FROM THE WORLD. YOU HAVE ALREADY YIELDED CROPS. ALL YOU ARE DOING NOW IS CHILLING AND WAITING ON THE SECOND COMING SO THE KINGDOM CAN BE HANDED TO YOU. YOU ARE WAY PAST THE 'FALLING ON SOIL AND YIELDING CROP' STAGE. ITS LIKE TELLING A NEUROSURGEON TO GO AND STUDY HIS ABCs. THATS RET-ARDED. THE ELECT ALREADY YIELDED FRUITS. I SUGGEST YOU STUDY REVELATION CHAPT 11

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES

2 PETER 1 VS 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. <<< WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT DONT COME UP WITH YOUR OWN VAIN OPINIONS. SCRIPTURE INTERPRETS ITSELF. IF YOU SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THE WORD IT IS BECAUSE THEIR IS NO LIGHT IN YOU. THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO STUDY TO SHOW YOUR SELF APPROVED SO THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO LINK PRECEPTS UPON PRECEPTS WITHOUT PUTTING YOUR OWN VAIN OPINIONS

obadiah777: AS AN ELECT YOU DONT NEED TO FAST BECAUSE YOU ARE SEALED. THOSE WHO NEED TO FAST ARE THE NON-ELECT

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR
ISAIAH 28 VS 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: <<< PRECEPT MUST BE UPON PRECEPT. THE BIBLE INTERPRETS ITSELF. EVERYTHING THAT IS USED IN ONE PART IS CONFIRMED IN ANOTHER PART >>> 2 CORINTHIANS 13 VS 1 In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

HumbledbYGrace: Reasons why he walked on the water:
“Mark tells us that when the disciples saw Jesus walking on the lake, [size=13pt]they thought He was a ghost. They cried out, because they all saw Him and were terrified[/size] (Mark 6:48-50).

obadiah777: YOU ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES. YOUR POINT ONLY APPLIES TO THE FIRST FRUITS FROM THE EARTH. NOT THE WHOLE EARTH. ONLY THE ELECT. THE REST OF US ARE STILL GUIDED BY LAWS UNTIL THE CORRUPTIBLE INHERITS INCORRUPTION IN THE SECOND COMING. UNTIL THE TERRESTRIAL BECOMES CELESTIAL. SEE, THE ELECT ALREADY HAVE THEIR CELESTIAL BODIES.

obadiah777: THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIRACLES AND MAGIC

PSALAMS 78 VS 2 [size=13pt]I will open my mouth in a parable[/size]

obadiah777: ISSUE 3 - HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT LENGTH IN ANOTHER THREAD. FASTING WHILE AMBIGUOUS IN THAT YOU CAN FAST FROM ANYTHING IN LIFE. YOU CAN FAST FROM S-E-X, YOU CAN FAST FROM FOOD, YOU CAN FAST FROM DRINKING ALCOHOL ETC ETC. YOU CAN FAST FROM ANYTHING. FASTING JUST MEANS 'ABSTAINING' FROM SOMETHING YOU DO ALL THE TIME. HOWEVER BIBLICAL FAST THAT DRAWS YOU CLOSER TO GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOD. NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY ABSTAINING FROM FOOD DRAWS YOU CLOSER TO GOD. THE FAST THAT DRAWS YOU CLOSER TO GOD IS A HOLY FAST. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ? IT MEANS YOU STOP DOING ALL THE WICKED THINGS YOU DO. YOU STOP BEING SINFUL. YOU FAST FROM YOUR SINS. THIS IS THE FAST THE BIBLE IS TALKING ABOUT. LETS GET PRECEPTS. JOEL 2 VS 15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, declare a holy fast
JOEL 1 VS 14 Declare a holy fast; call a sacred assembly

obadiah777:
ISSUE 1 - DID JESUS WALK ON WATER LITERALLY ? WHAT KINDA MAGIC TRICK IS THAT ? IS THAT WHAT THE BIBLE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT ? NO IT IS NOT. WHAT IS WATERS ? LETS GO PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT
REVELATION 17 VS 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the LovePeddler sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. WATERS IS A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLES. SO THE WAVES WERE ROUGH AND ERRATIC MEANING THE PEOPLES HE WAS PREACHING TO WERE REPROBATE BELLIGERENT ROWDY SCOFFERS, HOWEVER HE WALKED OVER THE WATERS, HE CALMED THE WATERS, MEANING HE PREVAILED OVER THE PEOPLE AND CONVINCED THE GAINSAYERS AND SCOFFERS. HE WALKED OVER THEM. HE PREVAILED OVER THEM. HE CONVERTED THEM ALL. AND THATS WHAT THAT MEANS. HE AINT LITERALLY WALK OVER WATER. HE IS THE LORD BUT HE DONT DO CHEAP MAGIC TRICKS.

From_Guiriga: Man...I think spirits take place in a body. So the spirits of Elijah might have been present in John. I'm not sure if that is reincarnation thou. As in a physical flesh and blood, I don't think its supported biblically.

inurmind: Hi op, I personally believe a freethinker could be independent of any of the recognized beliefs. As much as you can say most freethinkers are atheists, not all atheists are freethinkers. Some just hold on to all theories that discredit the existence of a god without challenging them.
This remains my favorite definition of a freethinker:
Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless.-Leo Tolstoy (On Life and Essays on Religion)