It is both religious and cultural.

You need to pose the last two questions to the school in question.

Newnas:
There's no verse in the Quran that supports Music. In fact the Quran does not stop at condemning music it even condemns poetry that doesn't contain any good.

Surah Luqman, Verse 6:
وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَشْتَرِي لَهْوَ الْحَدِيثِ لِيُضِلَّ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَيَتَّخِذَهَا هُزُوًا أُولَٰئِكَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ

And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah

Would you then say all collections of poetry/music comes under 'idle talk' just because it is backed with an instrument?

Alhamdulillah.

Newnas:


My Sister, you have misunderstood the OP.

The problem is not in bearing non-Arabic name. The problem is in mispronunciation of the Arabic names. That's what the post addressed.

Actually, we are not saying Arabic names are better than our local names. The names we are defending are Muslim/Islamic names not Arabic names. I hope you get the difference between the two.

Jazak Allah khair for your response, I understand what you're saying..
I'm just saying the use of the word "corrupted Muslim name" is wrong. I think "localised" or "assimilated" is better. In particular, the way Yoruba is spoken, adding extra sounds to an muslim Arabic name just comes naturally.

Newnas:

No, an Islamic name in Arabic language is encouraged to be given to the child because the language of Islam is Arabic. The Quran was revealed with it, the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam spoke it, the companions too etc.

Allah is all-Wise, and out of His wisdom, He has selected Arabic language and honoured it. Just as He honoured Ramadan among the months, Muhammad alyhissolaat wassalaam among the prophets, laylatul Qadir among the nights, Jumuah among the days, makkah among the cities.
There is no need to be jealous or envious. It is the favour of Allah, He gives whom He wills.

Nowhere is it encouraged as a religious teaching... Socially encouraged to identify a child with the islamic religion perhaps, yes.

Just like if the Scripture was revealed in France, for example, we'd be having this discussion on corrupted French names.
There is nothing inherently special about the Arabic language, in my opinion. The prophet was an arab and that is why the Quran was sent in Arabic, for him to understand.

Again, thanks for the response brother.

Newnas:


Only a joker answers to a corrupted Muslim name. Your freedom begins from what you accept as your name or your child's name.
'When the child is born, one of the first ways in which he is to be honoured is by giving him a good name, because a good name will have a good impact on the heart when it is first heard.' --Almowardi

Haba!!!
So a name that is not Arabic is a corrupted name? Thinking Arabic names are better than our names is an inferiority complex.

The hadith that you quoted doesn't therefore mean "so give your child an Arabic name"
It means give your child a good name. If a name has a good meaning, particularly in reference to God, then it is a Muslim name, regardless of language. Islam is for mankind.

I think it is meant to be applied across all social strata.

Why would the concept of omoluabi be outdated? Surely it is something that should be cherished in all generations.

erico2k2:

What are you cooking tjat will cost £200 in month for just you. ?unless U eat out. You can cook one big pot with £10.it will last you a week plus.

Lmao. One big pot with only £10? That's a lie.

truthmans2012:


Insult? Do you remember how many times you have called me "silly" ?

When I said you are ignorant I was only describing your knowledge of islam. And when I talk about your intelligence I expected you to reason better. No insult intended please.

I think I have taught you some Islamic lessons. Keep pondering on them.

I've never called you silly. Calling your argument silly is not the same as calling you silly.

Okay, you say you didn't intend to insult, but it was insulting.

[i]

truthmans2012:


Give proof to the historical context from authoritative source (s). You always like expressing your personal, ignorant and false opinions.

Are Jews and Christians believers in Muhammad's Allah ?

Do you know the meaning of atheist ? Are Jews and Christians, the people of the Book atheists?

Readers can now see why I shouldn't continue with somebody of your intelligence.


(.

After you have said the quran doesn't mention Mecca but Bakkah only. You are soooo ignorant that you can afford to say just any trash. You are not worth my time.






The question here is not what killed Muhammad but how he was so spiritually powerless that he couldn't heal any sickness other than to behead innocent people. His jihadits ate poison, he couldn't heal them. When he was sick, Jubril prayed for him and also promised allah would heal him but he was not healed, he eventually died. Jubril lied allah would heal him. The same Jubril (a liar) brought Quranic revelations, how do you believe the revelation of a liar ?

I know you don't have an idea of all those because you are an ignorant muslim and that is why I don't have to waste my time on you.





Was Muhammad the only illiterate 'prophet' ? What was the educational qualification of other prophets before him ? Why didn't others call their revelations miracle ? Smh !!!

Tell me the Quranic verse that says Muhammad split the moon. What Allah said in the quran is that Muhammad was not given power for miracle (Quran 13:7).

Muhammad had a dream that he went to heaven. His physical body was lying on his bed. Is it a miracle to dream ? I'm yet to find a Muslim that reasons fine.




Lies !!!

How did you relate Roman Saturnalia to Christmas ? That Roman pagans celebrate a festival does not mean Christians celebrate same. Saturnalia is not the same as Christmas even if they are celebrated on the same date.




So I have given you education on islam, which you have been ignorant of. Your prophet, Muhammad said a woman's intelligence is deficient and this is actually reflecting in your posts. Or don't you believe your prophet?

You don't know islam is practiced using both quran and hadiths? Your allah said muslims should obey him and his sole prophet, Muhammad. It is in hadiths you can find the words and deed of Muhammad. As a Muslim woman, you are bound to believe the saying of your prophet that your intelligence is deficient and that why I shouldn't continue with you.





Trash !!!

It seems you can't formulate an argument without resorting to petty insults, which is a shame. Stop wasting your precious time responding then. Lmao

misreal:
i think you just justified the killing of christians by muslim in the name of jihad.

Yes I did, is that surprising?

truthmans2012:

Let me start questioning you.
What does Quran 109:1-6 say, interpret it and supporting it with evidence (s).

Say : O ye that reject Faith!
I worship not that which ye worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
Nor will I worship those whom you have worshipped;,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Historical context: this verse was sent to distinguish Muslims from the rituals, beliefs and gods that the Qurayish associated themselves with.

It's quite self explanatory.
The chapter is addressed to people who reject faith - atheists, and people who have heard the message of the Qur'an but choose to ignore it.

truthmans2012:

Where is Bakkah ?
Quote the verse and let people see it, I will quote many verses in the quran that speaks about Kaaba. Maybe you will tell me Kaaba is in Ghana.

Reference to Bakkah - Quran 3:96: The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings.

(The only) reference to Mecca - Qur'an 48:24: It is He who restrained their hands from you, and your hands from them, in the hollow of Mecca, after that He made you victors over them. And God sees the things you do.

Translators say "Bakkah" is an ancient name for Mecca when it is not. If it was then it wouldn't have been mentioned at all, but it is. All the quotes you plan on writing here do not say Mecca in Arabic. There is only one verse in the Qur'an that mentions Mecca and that is the one above.

truthmans2012:

Why was allahh's greatest prophet, Muhammad, not given permission to do any miracle ? He couldn't heal an ordinary headache. When his jihadists ate poison he couldn't do anything. He was watching them till they died. He too tasted the poison and spewed it out but died later of the poison.

Do true prophets have to taste food before they could detect poison in it?

Prophet Mohammed was a man. Not a God, not a demi-God. He was born naturally and died naturally. There is speculation on whether he died as a result of poisoning, or fevers. But, regardless of how he died, what does this prove or disprove? Are all prophets supposed to die by God taking them by a whirlwind or are prophets immortal to you? I don't understand what you're trying to show here. That he should never have died? You don't like the way he died? It should have been more majestic? What exactly?

truthmans2012:

Quran is supposed to be a revelation and not a miracle because I know you will tell me Muhammad's miracle was the quran. He wasn't the first to receive revelation and others didn't call their revelations miracle.

It's not so much the revelation alone that Muslims assert is a miracle, it's the revelation paired with the prophet's apparent illiteracy. But that notion is mainly based on sunni texts and since I'm not a sunni, I won't use those anyway.
Miracles attributed to him in the Qur'an are the splitting of the moon, the night travel to Jerusalem and the ascension.

truthmans2012:

What is the relevance of this ?

You said, "it only takes God to create life, which Jesus did", implying Jesus is God? So I quoted where your scriptures say God is not a man. That's the relevance.

truthmans2012:

There are two Spirits being talked about here, Yahweh and allah.The Arabs Muslims can call anything their own allah but are they referring to Yahweh ?

Yes they are. That's like saying Yoruba Christians aren't referring to the God of the Bible when they call God "Olorun" because of it's ties to Yoruba mythology. Why can't you see how horribly flawed your reasoning is? Does that assertion genuinely make sense to you ...?

truthmans2012:

Give proof to your assertion.

Saturn's great festival, the Saturnalia, became the most popular of Roman festivals, and its influence is still felt in the celebration of Christmas and the Western world's New Year. The Saturnalia was originally celebrated on December 17, but it was later extended to seven days.
[Source, http://www.britannica.com/topic/Saturnalia-Roman-festival]

truthmans2012:

Again, was it God who said Christians should do so in the Bible? It is unlike allah who gave express permission for Muslim to worship him the say way they worship idols. It is found in the quran and hadiths.

Lmao, the whole New Testament concept and understanding of God is pagan. Nearly every nation, pre-Christianity held similar beliefs to the trinitarian understanding of God. Talk less of Muslims circulating a structure on Hajj.

truthmans2012:

[s]Yes, your intelligence is half of a man's as a Muslim woman. See what your prophet said about it:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
Once Allah's Apostle went out to
the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o
'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then
he passed by the women and said,
"O women! Give alms, as I have
seen that the majority of the
dwellers of Hell-fire were you
(women)." They asked, "Why is it
so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied,
"You curse frequently and are
ungrateful to your husbands. I
have not seen anyone more
DEFICIENT in INTELLIGENCE and
religion than you. A cautious
sensible man could be led astray
by some of you." The women
asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is
deficient in our intelligence and
religion?" He said, "Is not the
evidence of two women equal to
the witness of one man?" They
replied in the affirmative. He said,
"This is the DEFICIENCY in her
INTELLIGENCE. Isn't it true that a
woman can neither pray nor fast
during her menses?" The women
replied in the affirmative. He said,
"This is the deficiency in her
religion."
Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri
The Prophet said, "Isn't the
witness of a woman equal to half
of that of a man?" The women
said, "Yes." He said, "This is
because of the DEFICIENCY of a
woman's mind."
Sahih Bukhari 3:48:826[/s]

Interesting, but that's not from the Qur'an.

truthmans2012:

You know so little about islam, no wonder you are spewing out ignorance. I will advise you to withdraw from nairaland as you are not qualified to debate here.

OK, if you'd like to end the debate then please say, so I can stop responding.

It's actually possible to formulate an argument without ending each of your posts with unnecessary, patronising, anecdotal "nuggets of advice" that nobody asked for. If you'd like to end it, just say.

truthmans2012:


Don't say God, say allah as I have proven to you from Quran 109:1-6 that allah is not Yahweh. Yahweh was the God the Israelites were having dealings. Muhammad's allah, his fathers' idol surfaced as Muslims God centuries after Jesus had come and gone.

You haven't proven anything. Instead you've just displayed a willfulness to remain ignorant. Let me ask you something then. What do you think "God" is in Arabic?

truthmans2012:

But how can you tell this flaring lie ? How did you get the gut to say allah didn't command Muslims to go to Kaaba? In several passages of the quran we find allah mentioning Kaaba as the house of Allah and the resort for all mankind. In fact, going to Mecca is one of the five pillars of islam. So you have resorted to telling lies because your argument doesn't hold water. Or is it because you are ignorant ?

What I'm saying is that the verse you made reference to, "a house of God and resort for all mankind" is named in the Qur'an as a place in Bakkah, not Makkah, but translators insert Makkah in brackets. They aren't the same place.
The verse: The first House established for the people was that at Bakkah, a place holy, and a guidance to all beings.

truthmans2012:

Did Elijah create any life ? He revived a dead person, whose life was already created. Did you hear of any prophet who created life by himself? No prophet could create even an ant. It takes only God to create life, which Jesus did.

First of all, the rest of the verse continues as follows:
it becomes a bird by permission of God. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of God
Not of his own will or power, but by God's.

Secondly, whatever Jesus did, as your own scripture says, "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man that he should change his mind".

truthmans2012:

Look up, you asked for it.

I was giving an example of how silly your questioning was.

truthmans2012:

You are making some assertions that am almost tempted to say your reasoning ability is on the low side. How can you say what Muhammad's grandfather named his son is irrelevant? Why do muslims name their children Islamic names and not Sango worshipers name? If you hear somebody name his son Sangotola, what do you think is the father's religion? When Mutaleb named his son Abdullai (Abduallah), meaning servant of allah, a reasonable person should know that it was allah he was worshipping. It shows Allah was his idol as an idolater. You need deliverance if you cannot understand this simple thing !!!

I'm getting sick of typing this now, honestly. Until you realise and fully comprehend that God translated into Arabic is Allah, then we really won't get anywhere in this discussion. If you like, give me an alternative word for God in Arabic, then we will proceed. Because you keep returning to this futile argument.

truthmans2012:

So, to make islam appealing to Qurayish, allah had to concede to paganism? What a statement. It would have been better you are silent instead of saying this trash. So allah had to succumb to satanic practices in order to draw the Qurayish, I'm sure other Muslims following this thread must be ashamed of you. Islam is equal to paganism because allah wanted the Qurayish at cost.

God didn't concede to paganism. All images and idols in the Kaaba were destroyed, it is no longer linked to them. When people are at Hajj and pray, they call out to God, not to the idols that used to be worshiped there.

truthmans2012:

For Christian festivals, it is not in the Christian Scripture to celebrate those festivals and besides, no pagans celebrate the type of festivals Christians celebrate.

I didn't say that pagans celebrate the type of festivals you do. But Christian festivals adopted pagan rituals in order to gain converts, that's my point. For example Christmas was influenced by the holiday of Saturnalia, this was only done to take the roman pagan masses along with Christianity.

truthmans2012:

Since about my four years on nairaland, I have never met any Muslim with your own type of opinion, probably because you are a Muslim woman.

Great. I'm glad to be your first. I get that a lot.

truthmans2012:

A woman's intelligence in islam is half that of a man.

My intelligence is half of a man's? Very interesting. Provide proof from the Qur'an please?

truthmans2012:

Here you come. I put it to you that Moses and Jesus didn't talk about Kaaba or visit it because it wasn't built by Abraham. If it was actually built by Abraham as a house of God and resort for ALL MANKIND, all Bibe prophets would have recognized it. It was built by Meccan idolaters for their 360 idols. That allahh said Muslims should continue doing what idolaters were doing annually in Mecca shows allahh is the Devil in disguise as the true God couldn't have directed His people to continue the ways of idolaters, never.

God doesn't command Muslims to travel to Mecca, actually. Unfortunately, translators of the Qur'an paint Makkah in Saudi Arabia as the place that Abraham built the Kaaba when Makkah is actually mentioned in the Qur'an only once. The Qur'an makes reference to Bakkah, however, as the location where Abraham built the structure. This is why Makkah is always put in brackets, because it doesn't actually say that.

truthmans2012:

Jesus had been in existence before the foundation of the world. "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God" ( John 1:1). Jesus is the Word.

Okay, I know the Bible, and those are your beliefs. But I'm not here to be proselytised to.

truthmans2012:

Quran says Jesus made a clay bird and the bird became real and flew. Meaning Jesus gave life to a lifeless bird. Who has the power to create life if not God ?

If that's your criteria for God then surely Elijah who raised the widow's son from the dead is God too?

truthmans2012:

When did the French come into existence?

How is this relevant?

truthmans2012:

Allah was one of the Meccan idols and the idol they worshiped in Muhammad's family. Muhammad's grandfather was Mutaleb, who named his son Abdullai after his idol. Abdullai means servant of allahh, showing that allahh was the idol (god) they worshiped in Muhammad's family. Or which allahh was Mutaleb serving as an idolater ?

What Mohammed's grandfather named his son is irrelevant. Allah means God in Arabic. Lobatan. Are you going to tell Arabic speaking Christians and Jews to stop speaking their language? You're literally debating semantics.

truthmans2012:

It was this same allahh the so-called Jubril directed Muhammad to lift up to the status of the true God and that is why you worship allahh today like idolaters worship their idols before islam. The quran confirms this and hadiths also confirm same:

Quran 2:158 Pickthall] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware.
So you can see how islamic worship is the custom of pagans.

From the hadith:

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelation.

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed:'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158)
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710

Now, tell me, why would the true God tell Muslims to continue the ways of the idolaters? This is one of the many reasons why allahh is the Devil in disguise who is pitching muslims against the true God.

The Qur'an allowed the continuation of the pagan practices of the Qurayish in order to make the message of Islam more appealing to the people it was conveyed to. Just like just about every one of the Christian holidays also fall on ancient pagan festivals.

truthmans2012:

I didn't say implying means unintelligent error. What I said is, you seem to know better than allahh for trying to imply for the quran to clear its error. Besides this omission of ",among his people", for which reason you are implying for the quran, there are so many other unintelligent errors that are found in the quran. I will show them to you on request.

You did. To you, having to imply meaning means unintelligent error. Which is a rich assertion, coming from a Christian.

I'm too young right now

Masculinity so fragile, that's why.

Ayomivic:

Can we say every born again christians are muslims
if Jesus desciples are Muslims accordin to Quran?

Have you read the thread so far? I've already answered something like this, but I'll post again.

QueenSalewa:

Moses was Jewish AND muslim. They weren't mutually exclusive. Everybody that followed Moses was a submitter at that time too. Now that there is a new revelation, CURRENT Jews aren't submitters anymore, but they are People of The Book. It's not rocket science.

Apply that to your question.

Ayomivic:

Desciples was called Christian which mean people like christ because people sees the behavious and character of Jesus in them

Unfortunately, that's not what a Christian is. "Christian" means follower of Christ.

Ayomivic:

Which Muhammed had tesified to by calling Jesus and his disciple Muslims(submitters) is it wrong to say Muhammed is Chrsitian? (somene like Jesus) to claime muhammed was submmitter like Jesus.

Stop saying Christian means "someone like Jesus", because that's not what the word means. Mohamed was as much of a Christian as Abraham was. Go figure...

Ayomivic:

The word "Muslim" is Muhammed cunning word to drag all the good men of scripter to his religion he cunning name Islam.

Lmao. The funniest thing I've read in this thread so far.
You don't think Mohammed invented the Arabic language... Do you?

truthmans2012:


The same Yahweh Jesus represented only that some Jews didn't believe him. He referred to Yahweh severally as his Father. All of Jesus disciples were once Jews and many of their converts were once Jews. The Old Testament was the operation of Jewish religion, which is still recognized by the Christians till date. They have a common God, Yahweh who they believe differently.

Poor reasoning. If I said Allah represents the God of the New Testament you would reject it. You can say Jesus represents Yahweh all you want but Jews do not believe the same.
Okay, assuming Jesus referred to Yahweh as his Father. Do Christians do exactly the same? No. Christians go the extra mile and call God Jesus God also. That is idolatry to Jews and therefore isn't the same God.

truthmans2012:

Is that all you have to say? What about Moses and Jesus not recognizing Kaaba? Would they not recognize it if it was truly built by their father Abraham?

Truly, I don't know why Moses and Jesus didn't recognise the Kaaba.

truthmans2012:

What about allah declaring himself as a different deity from Yahweh the true God (Quran 109:1-6)? From where did allahh surface to become the God of the muslims when the Bible said only Jesus Gospel was to be preached till the end of the world (Mat. 24:14) ?

The same message you're quoting was also conveyed to Jewish people in the Old Testament:
Ecclesiastes 12:13 - "Fear God and keep his commandments (Mosaic Law): for this is the whole duty of man"

Malachi 4:4
"Remember ye the law of Moses"

Psalm 119:160
"Thy word is true from the beginning, and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth forever"

So I pose the same question to you, from where did Jesus surface to become the god of the Christians when the Mosaic laws were to be applied forever? Why did Paul, a Christian, call Yahweh's "true", "righteous" commandments a curse in the NT?

truthmans2012:

Which God did Moses the quran fraudulently called Muslim represent, Yahweh or allah ?

Who is allah who declared himself as not Yahweh ?

Who was God to the Arabs when Moses represented Yahweh and led Israelites on their way to Cannan ?

Your questioning here is so flawed. It's like asking "who was God to the French when Moses represented Yahweh" (what's my concern with that anyway? or "Does Allah represent Yahweh or Dieu or Olorun" Silly, really.

Allah literally means God in Arabic. Allah is not God's name: I'm not claiming it is, the Qur'an isn't claiming it is, so why do you claim it is? Moses represented whatever "god" was in his language.

truthmans2012:

On who was the first Muslim, you have to imply that almost all the known prophets were first muslims "among their people". I don't think today's muslims are in the position to imply for the quran, which you claim is complete and perfect. It shows that it is muslims that are now perfecting the quran by implying some meanings and not the quran perfecting them. It means muslims can formulate anything for the quran to make sense.Please note that apart from the ommision of "among his people" which you are now implying, a number of unintelligent errors have been discovered in the quran that faults it as the word of God.

Implying meaning ≠ unintelligent errors. Where did you learn that? Rather, implying meaning would be as a result of ambiguity, and I'm ready to accept that.

truthmans2012:


You are mixing things up here. Where did you find the Jews and Christians who didn't believe in God? That they believe in God is what made them Jews and Christians. The point is: Which God did they believe in? Note that the Jews and Christians believed in Yahweh not allah. It is because they believed in Yahweh and not allah that made Allah to command Muhammad to fight them.

Allah himself made it clear that he is not the same as Yahweh. But it was Yahweh that was God to the Jews and Christians before Muhammad's islam.

Lol. Why do you group the Christian god with the Jewish god? Repeat what you've just said to any Torah following Jew and they'd call it blasphemy.
Jews reject the concept of the trinity.
Jews reject the concept of incarnation.
Jews reject Jesus as messiah.
Jews reject Jesus as any type of divine figure.


...So which "Jewish and Christian Yahweh" are you talking about exactly?

truthmans2012:


You really don't know what you are saying. So to you everybody is the first muslim, abi ? Do you know the meaning of "first" ? There is nowhere the quran says "among his people", that is just the formulation of Islamic apologists to justify Qur'an's error.

Moses was a Jew, yes or no ?

Was it Moses alone as a Jew that had the title "muslim" or did all Jews who followed him who submitted to God also have it? If yes, it means by implication, all Jews are muslims. Why then did the quran still say "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low" (Qur'an 9:29).

The people who have been given the Scripture were the Jews and Christians, who the quran says they believed not in Allah. Do you still call those who believed not Allah Muslims?

Like I have said, first muslim *of their time* is implied. BUT... I accept that the prophets should have said "I am the first submitter of my time" to avoid confusion.

Why are you being purposely obtuse? Did you not read what I said about title not organised religion? Yes, Moses was Jewish AND muslim. They weren't mutually exclusive. Everybody that followed Moses was a submitter at that time too. Now that there is a new revelation, CURRENT Jews aren't submitters anymore, but they are People of The Book. It's not rocket science.

I'm thankful you posted the whole verse and not just one sentence. The verse says "believe not in God nor the Last Day".... Do Christians believe in God? Yes. Do they believe in the last day? Yes. So obviously that verse is calling out a very specific type of Christian/Jew who despite claiming to be people of the book, did bit actually believe in God or the last day. What the verse isn't saying is "Christians and Jews do not believe in God". What the verse IS saying is "fight the people of the book who do not believe in God and the last day".

People who do not/did not believe in God are obviously not muslims, if that's what you're asking. Next.

true2god:
You did not include Benjamin in your list. Is Benjamin a western name? Go figure out the reason.

Yes, there is no specific hadith or sunnah that prohibits women from riding a horse or a camel, but you dont apply islamic rules in isolation. In an ideal islamic state like saudi arabia, a woman is not expected to go out without a male guardian who can be the father, the husband, the brother or even the son. In one of the hadith, a woman is not expected to move or travel alone.

So the saudis are justifying there decision to ban women from driving by citing those al-hadith. A woman driving alone is as good as a woman going out in isolation. What if her car breaks down, wont she have conversation with a strange mechanic which is haram in islam. If she has accident, wont men come to her aid? This is also haram or illegal in islam.

So the musftis in saudi arabia must have place religion above personal confort and modernity, so as to continue with the sunnah of the islamic prophet. It is never an over-arching decision.

I didn't include a bunch of other names either .. That wasn't me trying to be illusive. No, Benjamin is not a western name, it's a Hebrew one. What's your point?

Yes, there are islamic sects that believe women shouldn't go out without a guardian (which I don't subscribe to, but that's a topic for another day). But what's that got to do with a woman driving a car. A woman driving a car ≠ a woman driving alone. It's ridiculous and unislamic.

true2god:
Can you give me instances where saudi arabia acted beyond the sunnah? I am waitin pls.

E.g.:
Banning "western" names like Linda or Alice
Not allowing women to drive

Demmzy15:

Salam Alaikum sister, you shouldn't play so nice with this people, they'll just take you for granted! Look at this for example, he made you say you hate Saudi Arabia, soon he'll push you to the wall to despise Muslims in general. Don't toy with this people, may Allaah preserve you sister!

Ekale o!

Wa alaikum Salam. Haha. Ma worry. I am ready for them.

true2god:
And you think an evil character like mohammed is a perfect guy that you must follow his sunnah? Then you need a paradign shift my sister.

As for saudi arabia, it is an ideal islamic state because they follow the sunnah of the islamic prophet to the letter, or are you telling me that the sunnah of mohammed is a trash?

I wanna learn from you.

Oh don't be obtuse... Saudi Arabia goes over and beyond implementing the sunnah of the prophet and we both know that.

true2god:
I like your name but you are ALMOST ignorant about islam and its promotion of extreme misogyny, especially in a conservative muslim nation like iran and saudi arabia. Woman in islam are treated as third class human beings.

Quran endorses the beating of women (quran 4:34).

allahh approve temporary marriage in islam, what is known as nikah mutua (quran 5:87, sahih bhukari 7:62:13). If you dont understand the relationship between the quranic verse i have you and the hadith i provided, read through the tafsir of ibn kathir for a clue. Nikah mutua is advanced prostitution ordained by allahh and was never abrogated.

allahh approved of raping captive women by muslim soldiers, mohammed inclusive (quran 4:24, sunan abu dawud 2150 ahmed hassan translation vol 2, page 577 and sahih muslim 3432). These women were raped by mohammed and his sahabas, even in the presence of their husbands. Deuteronomy 22:25 completely condemn this evil by mohammed.

Mohammed also approve child marriage in quran 65:4. Mohammed, led by example, by engaging aisha when she was 6 (mohammed was 51) and starting having sex with her when she became 9.

These are few example which prooved that mohammed and islam hate women and it is very shocking that a woman, worst victims of islam, will even have the gut to defense this criminal prophet that called himself mohammed.

Read up the islamic references I gave and come and testify the evils of mohammed (hiss be upon him).

LOL. Okay. I've heard all those before. Moreover I am aware those things exist. I'm not a Muslim apologist that will sit in denial of them.
P.S. I believe Saudi Arabia is trash.

So what now?

truthmans2012:


Let me remind you that the question is not "who is a Muslim but who is the first Muslim.

Qur'an say Abraham was the first Muslim.

The same Qur'an says Moses was the first muslim.

The quran again says Muhammad is the first Muslim.

Now, who is the first muslim ?

I hope you will not abandon your argument.

Ah. Yes. Reminder that the areas in the Qur'an which say that these people were the first Muslim are narratives of events that have happened. So, in context, when Mohammed said "I am the first of the muslims" the earlier verse begins with "Say (to the people he was addressing, The Qurayish, who were idolaters)"

"first muslim" is relative.

Abraham was the first submitter among his people.
Moses was the first submitter among his people.
Mohammed was the first submitter among his people.


Technically, the first muslim ever was the first human, Adam.

truthmans2012:


The Qur'an also claims Moses who led the Jews was a Muslim. Moses as a Jew, was he a muslim because he submitted to God? Are Jews muslims ?

The Quran also claims Jesus was a Muslim. Jesus was a Jew, are Jews muslims because he submitted to God?

The quran also claims Jesus Disciples were muslims. The disciples were called Christians and they built Churches in their lifetime. Were they muslims because they submitted to God? Do muslims build Churches?

A muslim is anyone who submits to the One God, and believed in the monotheistic religion of their time. So at those times, those people were Muslims as they responded to the messenger of their time.

So yes, all those people you mentioned were muslims (the title, not the religion!)

truthman2012:
So Muslims, according to your Qur’an, who was the first Muslim?[/b]

Hello, I am a Muslim.

Firstly, you need to understand what is meant by the word "Muslim" as used in the Qur'an..
In the Qur'an "Muslim" is often used as a title for "submitter", rather than what it has come to mean today e.g. "follower of the organised religion of Islam".

I'm not sure which Muslim has claimed that Ishmael was the first Muslim. The Qur'an alludes to Abraham as the first Muslim and calls upon mankind to follow the path of Abraham.

Quran 3:95
"Say:God has spoken the truth: follow, then, the creed of Abraham, who turned away from all that is false, and was not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God."


and

Qur'an 3:67

"Abraham in truth was not a Jew, neither yet a Christian; but he was a muslim and one pure of faith"

Hope that helped.

christopher123:


The fair genes isn't exclusive to Igbo but zoom an look at that kid,s knuckle

Darker joints doesn't = bleaching.
But na you sabi pass. Oshey dermatologist

calisha555:
i am in a serious relationship wit my bf and he has ask me if I will marry him and I say yes bt my parent don't want me to marry a Muslim pls really need ur advice wat should I do m soo confuse?

I'm likely to face a similar situation to your own when I wish to marry.

All I can say is that interreligious marriages CAN work. I have several family members that have done such. But, your kids will take their father's religion, and your religious conviction will also become non existent too. Just keep that in mind... And please, don't disobey your parents. If they're not accepting it at all, just move on. Marrying a guy is not worth it if it will tear your family apart.

Take care dear.

lordnicklaus:
The Igbos are not purely of Hebrew origin but of Hamitic origin. The Hebrews existing in Nigeria today are Yorubas and Efiks. It is even evident in their languages. I will list some Yoruba and Efik words that are actually Hebrew/Aramaic words.


YORUBA:


Aiye (meaning: "life" is actually the Hebrew word "hay" which also means "life"

Abasha (a word meaning "rubbish" is actually the Hebrew word "basha" which means "abomination" "evil" or "corruption"

Ifa (the Ifa oracle) is coined from the Hebrew "efad" which was an object which Levite Priests used to get a message from God.

Eledumare (creator or God e.t.c.) is from the Aramaic phrase "El d'mareh" which means "Lord God"

Eleda (creator) sounds like the Hebrew word "El'eadah"

Oluwa (God) is like the Hebrew "Elowah" which also means "God"

Orun (heaven) sounds like the Hebrew word "arun" or "haron" which means "height" or "mountain"




EFIK


Ayin (eye) sounds like the Hebrew word "ayn" which means "eye"

Edem is a name that sounds like "Edom"

Not sure what you're trying to prove here... So linguistic similarities = descendants to you?

Why aren't other tribes included in this your "appeal"?