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Question:
Do you know any Nigerian(other African nations) Videogame review sites online?

Context:
I was looking through reviews and wondered if there were any game review sites in Nigeria (and other African, carribean, etc countries as well) I actually started out looking for African American sites and found alot. Wanted to expand to other areas as well, figured I'd make a list of as nanny as I could find.


Thanks!

Figured I'd throw a party here since I have some time here... @KidStranglehold @kingston277 @fulaman198 @Bigfrancis21

KidStranglehold:
This thread may be my last thread I ever create on this site due to me probably never returning to this site(though I took a very long hiatus). And so I want to go out with a bang. The reason my I created this thread is because when involving African-Americans from the United States it is a popular and celebrated talking point on not only this site, but in real life by Africans mostly Nigerians that, "African-Americans are THUGS!", "African-Americans are lazy and don't value education!", "Us Nigerians are successful meanwhile AA's aren't doing anything!"

While I'm certainly aware that this exist I've never seen it outside of youtube videos. Even here on nairaland culture board I haven't run into it much. That said there is a general low level cutting down of other ethnic groups across the board be they African Americans abroad or people who live down the road in Nigeria.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpwgbXPhh70

I tend to lump AA jabs in with garden variety tribalism and keep it pushing.

I'm far more disturbed by the self hate & "Afro-pessimism" that I read here from time to time. As someone who see's the potential we all have that's far more depressing to me than the low level jabs at the diaspora.

...I tell myself this has got to be white folks or something at least @kingston277 has taken up the mantel to beat back the hoards

KidStranglehold:

A popular yet shrewd delusion among Nigerian immigrants living in the state. They claim AA's "need to stop whining to the white man", yet fail to realize that African-Americans unlike them are a minority group, a disenfranchised minority group like Palestinians, Afro-Brazilians, Native Americans and even Australian Aboriginals in Australia. But that's a talking point for another time.

I'm not quite sure how you re defining "minority group" here. It seems as though you maybe using a political/legal designation versus a straight numerical count of (not)being the majority in the jurisdiction. If the key delineator is political/legal "disenfranchised" then your going in the direction I'm going with my argument namely.... African Americans have a wider array of priorities( sovereignty ) on their political plate to deal with here then simply...
1. Go to school
2. Get a job
3. Smile.

Now that's not to say others don't various priorities as well nor is it me putting forth an either or proposition..... that said I'll hold off on this one for now.(it could go on awhile)

KidStranglehold:

But like I said it is popular for Africans specially Nigerians to boost and brag about how much better they are doing in education than AA's in the states while also trying to look down on AA's. But really their bragging rights are not even based on reality.

The African population in American in total is around 1.6 million according to this link.
http://immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/african-immigrants-america-demographic-overview

That's INSIGNIFICANT. Meanwhile the total African-American population in the United States is 40+k according to this site!
http://blackdemographics.com/

That's more than the population of Canada itself! A population of 1.6 million vs a population of 40+k million. This is NOT a fair or balanced comparaion. Of course theres going to be more Africans being successful in the USA than AA's. The numbers are not stacked right. Hell the African population in America is even smaller than that of Asians which is 19k million!

There is something else that needs to be added here when talking about the population of African Americans. Before I go further let me clear up the numbers...

There are enough African Americans (45 - 50)million to completely repopulate
1. Canada - 35.16 million (2013) ....and 5+ small states in the U.S.

2. The Entire Caribbean - 42+/- million ....and 5 small states in the U.S.

3. The Entire Central America - 42+/- million ....and 5 small states in the U.S.


4. Louisiana 4.65 million + Mississippi 2.994 million + Alabama 4.849 million + Georgia 10.1 million + South Carolina 4.832 million + North Carolina 9.944 million
[img]http://officialnewbamako.files./2014/12/map_of_usa_jf.png[/img]

5. Central Africa minus Congo & chad(AA would be around 6th largest country population wise in Africa)


Point being that making a call on all African Americans based on ...screw it I'll go big, even 100 people(and that's an exaggeration) makes about as much sense as me going to Cape Verdi and making a call on all of west Africa. You can't go to New York or see something about Chicago on TV and make a call on people on the other side of the American continent.

People think "oh AA are just a small group of people in the U.S." .....no there is a huuuge amount of African Americans here!

KidStranglehold:

What people on this site are essentially doing is that they have a skewed self perception of how great they think they are based on a tiny/small amount of people who became successful outside of their native lands in comparison to the full range (poor to upper class) of the African-American population without taking into consideration, their own self selection process. They don't realize how flawed it is when they do that.

Wait ...oh so that's the angle?!
So we are talking about people still in Nigeria aggrandizing themselves(and putting others down) based off the accomplishments of people abroad? ...or more specifically saying that they, still in Nigeria are better then people they have never met "African Americans" based not off their own accomplishments, but the accomplishments of those expats

I thought we were talking about people who are actually in the U.S. ...or at least have been to the U.S. These other peoples opinions might be as valid as someones opinion of Africa based solely on watching the discovery channel.

I don't even know if it's worth the time then...

KidStranglehold:

But I'm not done yet. I'll go on even further. I'm part AA, but my other half is Haitian. My Haitian side were first gen immigrants, but they were first gen immigrants that already had a financial base back home(Haiti). In the area they lived in they were well off compared to the blacks that lived in that area. Same for the other Haitians. Does that mean Haitians are doing better than AA's in America? Maybe? Who knows, but what we do know is that the number of Haitians in America is much smaller than the African Americans in America. And the selective few Haitians that become success here does not represent how the average Haitian lives back in Haiti.

Bingo

KidStranglehold:

Also my sister is currently in Ethiopia where she is teaching English. She tells us that the people there almost consider her "rich", because she is living better than most of the citizens there. She lives in the nicest part of Adidas Abba and has more of the "luxury" compared to most of the citizens in the country. Again doesn't mean my sister represents all AAs back home.

Double Bingo

KidStranglehold:

But more importantly, I want to use Asians as an example since they are always thought to be the "model minority" in America.First and foremost Asian-Americans are not a monolithic group, but a branched together along with South Asians(Indians), Southeast Asians and East Asians. All three groups which are culturally different. All three populations which are still small compared to the larger Black American population in America, but back to the point... I remember having a discussion with an Asian-American on another site and he himself even admitted that the Asian success in America is a bit over-exaggerated. The point is Asian success like almost all immigrants who are successful in America or heck any other country is largely a matter of "selection". The main Asian immigrants to the US are Chinese, Indian and Korean, and a large portion of them went down the student visa->work visa->green card route; I don't know what things are like in the various Chinatowns, but one of my Indian friends said that his parents would invite other Indian families over from time to time, and all of them were engineers or doctors or managers because they came here to study those courses, got jobs and stayed back. It's not an easy thing to study in the United States; it requires a good deal of money and a decent degree of academic achievement. So the Asians who manage to come to the United States and stay back to form communities already have some foundation and some money to help them. It's easier to build successful communities when the people forming them already are successful or have some measure of success going for them from the beginning.

Triple Bingo

KidStranglehold:

But hey if you guys don't believe me, here's a good article by forbes that backs up my point.

Most Americans know only one thing about Indians–they are really good at spelling bees. When Sameer Mishra correctly spelled guerdon last May to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee, he became the sixth Indian-American winner in the past 10 years. Finishing second was Sidharth Chand. Kavya Shivashankar took fourth place, and Janhnavi Iyer grabbed the eighth spot. And this was not even the banner year for Indian Americans–in 2005, the top four finishers were all of Indian descent.

It’s tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation’s engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The overrepresentation of Indians in these fields is striking–in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street.

Indian Americans are in fact a new “model minority.” This term dates back to the 1960s, when East Asians–Americans of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent–were noted for their advanced educations and high earnings.

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest “model.” In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.

About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.

So why do Indian Americans perform so well? A natural answer is self-selection. Someone willing to pull up roots and move halfway around the world will tend to be more ambitious and hardworking than the average person. But people want to come to the U.S. for many reasons, some of which–being reunited with other family members, for example–have little to do with industriousness. Ultimately, immigration policy decides which kinds of qualities our immigrants possess.

Under our current immigration policy, a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S. obtain green cards (permanent residency) because they have family ties to U.S. citizens, but a small number (15% in 2007) are selected specifically for their labor market value. The proportion of Indian immigrants given an employment-related green card is one of the highest of any nationality. Consequently, it is mainly India’s educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobby-jindal-indian-americans-opinions-contributors_immigrants_minority.html

The green high lite is exactly what I would say as well and also what the comparative evidence shows for migrants. Actually if you want a good test find a population of refugees instead of migrants and run the numbers. That said refugees are typically reviewed before being given acceptance into the host country but it's still a better test...

KidStranglehold:

Now compare that tiny minority in America to their homeland



Thirty-three percent of world’s poorest live in India
http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2013/04/18/thirty-three-percent-of-worlds-poorest-live-in-india/

One in three of world's poorest live in India
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/One-in-three-of-worlds-poorest-live-in-India/2013/04/19/article1552345.ece

Now does anyone see the big gap?

This goes back to what I said before...

"So we are talking about people still in Nigeria aggrandizing themselves(and putting others down) based off the accomplishments of people abroad?"

I thought we were talking about the migrants themselves comments not those left behind. To be clear I don't see anything wrong with taking pride/inspiration in the accomplishments of others. I'm simply questioning their capacity to make a call based on their countrymen's accomplishments and whatever they've seen in TV/Movies about the target group been compared against.

KidStranglehold:

But I'm not done just yet. Lets talk about African-Americans moving to African countries. I just found out that AA's are moving to Ghana in record numbers.
http://afkinsider.com/29041/african-americans-visiting-moving-ghana-record-numbers/

The AA's that are moving to that country are among the most successful and most educated. I even heard that they are more educated than Ghanaians as a whole. Why is that? AGAIN Because the numbers are skewed due to there being so few Americans and so many Ghanaians. That is the same situation that exist in the USA; the few Africans hitting the USA are mostly of the educated class, whereas they are being compared against all African Americans; including the educated class and your regular street AA's. Hell I remember watching a doc of AA's moving to South Africa, most of the AA's being rich and successful businessmen/women and living better than the native South Africans, but again the numbers are SKEWED!

Yeah that was a good doc and exactly what I was thinking about....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn5pfdIe9rY

There is also this article(which actually reads like a hit piece to me...)
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB984521987681892576
[size=16pt]African-Americans in Ghana[/size]

....Mona Boyd, an Arkansas native married to a Ghanaian, runs a car-rental agency in Accra. Ada Willoughby, a retiree from Tennessee who moved here in 1995, remains even after her husband's death from cerebral malaria. Michael Williams was the head of the African Studies program at Simmons College in Boston when he came here looking for a wife. He married a Ghanaian woman, Afua, in 1995 and stayed on to run an exchange program for U.S. students. Another professor, Lisa Aubrey, bought a house and, keeping her post at Ohio University, teaches part of the year at Ghana's leading university. ...

...Far from seeing African-Americans as kin, most Ghanaians lump them together with other Americans, calling the whole lot obruni, which in the local Twi language means "white" or foreigner. With better education and deeper pockets, African-Americans strike many Ghanaians as arrogant. "When they get into any situation they want to take over, and we are not like that," says R. William Hrisir-Quaye, an official with Ghana's commission on culture. ...

...The crowd at Mable's was diverse. Nathaniel Ha'levi, from Mount Vernon, N.Y., owns the restaurant with his Ghanaian wife and is a self-styled Black Hebrew who counts among his ancestors an ancient tribe of African Jews. John Childs is a retired teacher from Philadelphia who lives here year round but admits that "without my pension I'd be on the next plane out." Imahkus Robinson, dressed in a headscarf and an African dress, stages re-enactments of slaves being sent to the New World for African-American tourists. Gladys Rice, a nurse from Detroit, runs a health clinic, supported by her U.S. church. All share a belief that Ghana is a special place for African-Americans and that this is where they belong. ...

The people who can afford to migrate are professionals, retirees, and people with drive who open there own shops.

Sounds familiar? Again, the act of migrating is a filter in and of itself.

KidStranglehold:

Now what wouldn't be skewed is your average low end citizen from Lagos and other parts of Africa start immigrating to the USA and then you are going to see those haughty numbers plummet fast; because Lagos has a true criminal class. And then lets wait until your average AA hoodrat from the USA start hitting . Then you are going to realize that every society has educated people and every society has got people holding you back.

Again no duh there are more successful Nigerians in America than AA's. A small population vs a large population. One can easily find more AA "thugs" in America than Nigerian/African "thugs". One can easily point to AA's in Detroit, New Orleans and Chicago and say, "see see! dose lazy akatas dont value education!" While one can easily point to AA's in Atlanta, Charlotte North Carolina, Dallas, Maryland or any southern state(where AA's mostly reside) to prove AA's are in fact doing good. Again AA's are a larger population than Africans in the USA. You will find no AA "thugs" in Ghana or South Africa, but instead the most successful/educated of the AA class.

See Above:

KidStranglehold:

So before we go around this site saying, "we're doing better than these akatas in America", at least have this in mind.

Rant.

Edit: To be clear this isn't a thread to bash Africans, but call out the ones who try to look down on AA's and other diasporans.

Sorry it took so long to reply. Been busy opening a business if you get time check me out at [url]videogamestashbox.com[/url] and leave me some feedback!

Could someone please unblock the post before last in this thread?

https://www.nairaland.com/1262726/endangered-african-american-musical-instruments#19954478

It may or may not be relevant ....i'm curious to see if it's one of my posts.



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Still in collection mode about some things. There are alot of mini discusions going on here so I have to break down each. I'm currently looking through my books/notes for...

1. A passage I read awhile back in my copy of the book "among the igbos of Nigeria" by g. basden Talking about the people trained by the missionaries and the purpose / function of them.

2. A philosophical paper on dualitycomplementary in african(igbo) thought by a Nigerian author
Section on the training of men over women by the colonialist and how that effected the dualitycomplementary of the pair

3. A political paper / historical analysis on the birth of corruption by a Nigerian author
Details of "warrant chiefs" installed by the colonialist to serve as surrogates of their authority over the populace


I really should look into Jamaica and the clerk system there but I don't have the textual data to do so.
Essentially when they ran out of Europeans to do certain jobs they had to train the local enslaved populous to do those jobs instead resulting in social stratification of people.

Note: I'm not approaching the education strand of this topic at face value. I don't believe it relay has anything to do with "education"
* partly cause I don't agree with most peoples definition of education
* partly because I feel like African Americans are actually one of the best "trained" group of Africans in the world
* partly because my opinion is that very few Africans peoples anywhere ...continent or diaspora are truly "educated"

I feel this topics issue has more to do with "status" or specifically how do/did certain areas/endeavors become "valued" in distinct societies.



It was a good while ago when I read the above text but it may be applicable to the "education" aspect of this discussion, particularly the "why" this or "why" that angle. @kidstranglehold hey, you ask for me to join in. I gotta do my research man ...though really I've already done the reading I just have to find the text/quotes.




That said this old post of mine maybe of interest to certain threads obtained in this overall discussion....
https://www.nairaland.com/2253974/#32737117

I don't agree with everything here ...but I suggest watching to get an idea of where I'm going to come from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyifWls-VBI

Fulaman198:


Nicely written in an informative and well-formulated sequence as always RandomAfricanAmericanInEQ. Hope you are doing well man. I have not seen you much in the programming/computer science section of the forums recently. Your Input (no pun intended) has been missed. What projects have you been working on if you don't mind me asking?

@Fulaman198 Been awhile man

I really enjoyed being around here. I'd say this is the first place I've had regular conversations with a multitude of different people from/on the continent & Caribbean; it has been a pleasurable experience. Which is another reason I have reservations about this topic ...though I do know exactly what @KidStranglehold is talking about. Though it seems to be mainly an NYC(everybody), Minneapolis(Somali), DC(Ethiopian), Florida(Bahamas, Cuba, & Haiti) phenomena.

For instance the guy who lived across from me was from st. Thomas in the Caribbean married to a southern woman down here. The lady who manages buildings around here is from Puerto Rico and married to a Nigerian man with the last name "yoba". Very pleasant people. An ethiopian family runs a copy & print shop by campus and I sware she's like a lost aunt when I speak to her.

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Quick story: I thought the Ethiopian lady was from India at first but she was waaaaay nicer then any Indian person I've met. So I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong about india because her mannerisms was different also, I just couldn't pin it. Then she turned around to procces my payment and i'm like .... only african people got a booty like that.(I felt bad cause she was much older then me .......) then I looked up and saw pictures of her daughter in traditional dress and said "oh, hey are you guys from Ethiopia(could've been Eritrea)" and she's like "how did you know" ....I'm standing there like"wild guess" ....



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Anyway, it seems to happen when there is enough of an ethnic group present that they can section themselves off from African Americans. Otherwise you have to deal with people one on one and you can separate the good from the bad, which is basically the case down here.



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I'm also running my indiegogo campaign... http://igg.me/at/videogamestashbox/x/13349858


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https://www.nairaland.com/2852742/topic-construction-ue3
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/watch-us-make-a-game-using-unreal-engine-3.391161/

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3278253_classdiagram_pngb44e1621666542daad00dd2f4e9c3cc8


Other then that I'm also taking medu neter(Ancient Egyptian language/writing) classes. so yeah Im booked ....

In a recent post... http://www.thecoli.com/posts/17495130/
I spoke about not wanting to be apart of the gaming industry because I'd never get to work on anything outside of caucasian & asian characters.





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@BulletProof then mentioned I should use kickstarter to fund a game if I was really passionate about it.
After thinking about it I decided last night to make an Indigogo campaign https:///Q81H6DsOkA

But not for a game ..for my games trading service instead which is already functional. The plan was actually to use the profits from the service to fund independent software development anyway so it's basically two birds with one stone.


I was actually surprised that some of that stuff was getting thousands of dollars and people only had photos of empty stores and shit

Anyway throw ya boys some feedback, maybe I need to adjust somethings I never ran a funding campaign before. I always used my own money to fund my ideas.
Good looking out @BulletProof for the suggestion

Another thing I forgot to add above that will factor strongly into my coming reply.

The "American dream" means absolutly nothing to me. It's simply a historical point they told us in elementary school about people coming from Europe thinking the streets were paved with gold. I.E propaganda Put another way when you live here you know what the streets look like.

I actually wrote a post about this a while back, before the big data wipe that caused me to leave.............

RandomAfricanAm:
An earlier naraland thread asking "what's the Nigerian dream?" reminded me of an article I read awhile back where a group from a Caribbean country(Name not necessary) living in the U.S made the comment

"African Americans don't believe in the American dream anymore but we still believe in the American dream."

I don't disagree or agree with that assessment one way or the other. I have issue with the central topic "The American dream" and it's validity as being something to believe in. That sounds like something I vaguely remember being discussed in elementary school concerning early European settlers in the 1700-1800s thinking the cities were made of gold or something outrageous like that(which is also reminiscent of the idea European explorers had who were killing the indigenous people of the Americas in search of El dorado "the city of gold" ).

If the idea of "The American dream" is present in Nigeria...
1.Where does this idea come from?
2.How is it propagated to the children?

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I'm an African American and I skip the proposition of belief altogether and say the idea of "The American Dream" holds no real meaning for me. I'm not even aware it is something I was suppose to consider The only dream they push around here is MLKs' dream and I think that is just propaganda to keep people docile(for lack of a better word).

If I had "a dream" it would be for African people to...
1. Have our own curriculum that teaches African history and the intellectual tools to build the industries needed to protect & nurture Africa.
2. Practice our cultures without pressure from outside actors trying to change it to suit their visions of "how the world should be".
3. Use our cultures as the foundation for further cultural improvements(as oppose to whole sale adapting of others culture)
4. Have the capacity to extract, process, and manufacture all the goods Africa needs with the resources in the ground
5. Have the capacity to move all goods around the continent and trade internally.
6. Be independent of all non-African owned NGOs, production, and/or extraction corporations only leaving foreign sellers, traders, and tourist.
7. Have a resource depot for surpluses in the Caribbean, Seychelles/Mauritius, and Kerkennah Islands.(Sale surplues after domestic needs met)
8. Diaspora uses sale of Continental surplus resources from depots as base financial revenue generator to make them economically independent.
9. Funds from surplus sales are used to fund the ideas & dreams of the diaspora(banking, new business ,schools, movies, tech innovations, etc)
10. Live life as an African in contact & harmony with humanity but insulated from the political games of foreigners especialy these Europeans and their propped up "African/Black leaders" looking for favor & status.
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Oh yeah.
Systems of governance of African making; based on and respecting/integrating African cultures would be fantastic also. Economic freedom for north African Tamazight/Nubian groups so they don't have to go through Arabs to meet their needs/ambitions on their own land/continent.

[size=16pt]Sorry that was so long winded[/size]
Speaking as one African American if I had a "dream" the above would be closer to it and that dream clearly has little to do with "America". So if I don't believe in "The American Dream" it's cause I personally have a better more fulfilling "African Dream" to work towards.




But hey, wadaya do

[size=18pt]@38:55 - @40:00 <------skip to here[/size]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8sBTyHiT44?t=2335

You brought me into this......

Well this is going to be a good size post, but I will say this. I probably have different position from most people here ...thoigh i'll prob share point s as well. You have to know a few things....

1. I've never had any issues with African or Caribbean immigrants, that dynamic just doesn't exist in many places down here. All my experiences have been very nice and almost solely with students. There are no "African or Caribbean enclaves" that I know of.

2. I'm from the south...
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3. I'm from a city where African Americans ran the city I.E. no crazy police issues you see in other places(which is just as much a sovereignty/governance issue as policing issue)

4. I grew up "well off" in a financially integrated area I.E. middle, working, and lower class African Americans all relatively close together.

5. I reject the construction of "education" being tossed around.



So I'm going to get some things together that denotes...

1. A break down of the African American population in america(I don't think people realize how huge a population it really is)
2. Delineate the different social/economic branches of the African Americans and how they interact
3. A break down of "education" what it means in different contexts.(most of whats being discussed here sounds like "training" to achieve some perceived "social status" that comes along with a certificate/certification)
4. Timeline of events in the push for access to "training" and push to revamp the "training system" into a true "educational system".(It seems people are unaware the extent of pressure that African Americans have placed on the "educational system" to gain access and make it more than an indoctrination entity ....people actually went into schools with guns and shut the campus down for the sake of true "education".)
5.Documentation on the African American presence in ghana and South Africa.


This is going to be a long post, and I'm going to have to collect a far amount of documents so it'll be awhile.I'm in the middle of promoting my new business right now also www.videogamestashbox.com and it's indiegogo campaign http://igg.me/at/videogamestashbox/x/13349858

so I have to find time to squeeze it in. Thanks for the invite to the topic.....

KidStranglehold:
@RandomAfricanAm

If you still come on here what are your thoughts?

My fault yo I've been at your site the coli in the videogame section for a couple weeks. let me look over this topic.