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Science/Technology / Whatsapp Group For Secular Nigerians by rhizoidz: 10:09pm On Oct 18, 2023
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Religion / Whatsapp Group For Secular Nigerians by rhizoidz: 9:48pm On Oct 18, 2023
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Politics / Re: 2019 Election Is Either Buhari Or Atiku, We Are In Trouble, Says Femi Falana by rhizoidz: 11:43pm On Nov 12, 2017
I highly doubt this post ia about choosing who has better qualities between the two major candidates(although we all know neither of them has any). it's a call to Nigerians that we're being conned. Political parties in Nigeria are playing ayo-olopon on Nigerians' intelligence.
How can we be asked to choose between Buhari and Atiku!... Is this a CHOICE at all?
The country is in peril already and the future is too bleak to leave in the hands of these old men(I'm refraining from using derogatory adjectives) to say the least. Another four years of this?
This is a game between giants we're the battlefield. We've been suffering, and if this continues, we'll continue to suffer!
These people have nothing to offer us!
I mean they've both spent years at the peak of power, yet we're still HERE!

Or you think in the whole of Nigeria, there aren't better candidates?

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Science/Technology / Re: If The Sun Vanishes Tomorrow, Could Humankind Survive? by rhizoidz: 10:10am On Jun 17, 2016
Dawdy:

Your analogy is dumb. If I hadn't seen gun before and someone told me that gun killed. I had to believe him, because he told me based on the experience he might have had about the gun. Perhaps he used it himself or it was used in his presence. He didn't just assume that gun killed because he had dream that gun killed.

The reverse is the case here. They said "earth is rotating around the sun 67000 mph." though, they never saw earth rotation. just speculations. How come when we jump up on the moving earth we land on the same spot? The said if you threw something up inside the moving car, it wouldn't fall down far behind you. Is something moving straight compared to rotating object? We asked, "what makes earth rotate" they said gravity. They can't really explain how the so called force of gravity. They just assume it pulls everything down. And the only example they gave is that if you threw something up it would fall down. Why the so called gravity allowed me to throw something up in the first place? The same gravity can't pull smoke down. If the Sun's gravity is constantly pulling planets toward it, why hasn't the Earth been pulled into the Sun?

The law of gravity pull the to the earth to the sun can easily be broken whe a bird flies. They gave another excuse that gravity is the strongest and the weakest force. What make gravity strong and weak? Gravity remains unproven theory not fact at all. And if the gravity is removed in astronomy, what is left is zero.

Baba, before you start making excuses and trying to disprove facts or scientific hypothesis(yes there are lots of hypothesis) you should get your facts straight. Science is not an alternative to religion, everyone in the world can be regarded as scientists, as we all share the characteristics of curiosity, even in the bible and quran, there are several cases of people finding solutions to problems, those are two crucial parts of our science, science doesn't need faith, like you're asking if gravity is real or not, gravity is a phenomenon we haven't fully understood, but then there's hardly anything we have been able to fully understand. Gravity is fact, I'm quite sure that if during the time the bible was written, gravity had been observed, there would have been an explanation for it for the benefit of people who refuse to reason for themselves.
You follow the calender which says 28 days make a month, why haven't you questioned that?
Let me do a favour and answer that question about when you jump up and land on the same spot... You land on the same spot on earth's crust not space, if you could hang a ball in space which isn't attached to earth, you'll see it occurring at different parts on the earth's surface, then you'll assume it is the ball moving.
In fact as much as I try to understand or answer your question, the more I see how dumb it is, before you start disproving anything, ma
ke sure you learn all you need to know about it, don't just read half a line and start making creepy idealisms
Science/Technology / Re: Where Am I? by rhizoidz: 8:52am On Apr 30, 2016
sukkot:
hmmmmm some very mind bending scenario you have painted SirWere but i hate to bring the spoiler alert into the scenario. without the brain you are actually still a complete and wholesome entity because contrary to what has being thought to be conventional wisdom, the brain does not actually do anything but manifest the electrical impulses sent to it from your heart. the heart is the real brain and your brain is just like a computer monitor that manifests the impulses sent to it from the heart. so the brain is the computer monitor and the heart is the computer motherboard. so back to your scenario ? you without your brain does not negate who you are so you will be culpable in all the crimes committed in lagos so long as your heart was in your body when you committed the crimes . grin grin grin
Darn it! But wait, what you said may be plausible, I take it you know there have been surgeries where the full heart is replaced... Then what do you say in such a scenario? That the person has been changed? I think the real question is where is the mind?

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Science/Technology / Re: Universe Or Multiverse. (A Discussion) by rhizoidz: 12:08pm On Apr 21, 2016
donnffd:


I clearly understand, but you misinterpret me, I never said that the multiverse wasn't an hypothesis we shouldn't consider, I only said there is no way we can test it for now and that keeps it in the realm of pseudoscience. I also meant that if we do test the hypothesis and find out its true, then string theory must be true and then it poses a whole different question, where did string theory come from?, and finally when I concluded on we not understanding some things, I actually mean that, not because we should not strive to know but because our biology is probably not built to understand it. Look at chimps, the difference in DNA between our species is just 2%, but look at the gap, one can only understand rudimentary logic and the other General relativity.
What makes you think our brain has enough matter to understand some concepts the same way a chimp can't grasp quantum mechanics? Imagine a species with a DNA difference of 2% ahead of us, do you think we can grasp concepts those guys would?
Donffd, you clearly have a point, the problem in this discussion is not being flexible. This is a discussion, deviation from the topic on a similar logical path should be permitted, afterall anything or that would otherwise seem to be in line with the thread must have come directly or indirectly from the proposers of the hypothesis. Such hypothesis can never be tested, proven, they'll just only be someone's idea... So instead of pursuing a wild goose, why not hear others' ideas, all this headaches physics is currently facing started from the birth of the understanding that there's a quantum world, which contradicts all our knowledge of normal physics, why wasn't it treated seperately like religion is, isn't the ideas such as space time warp absurd, quantum entanglement? Doesn't it just want you to scream WTF!

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Science/Technology / Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 2:14am On Apr 19, 2016
LoJ:

Hello Fayahsoul,

I am not sure about the meaning of your sentence. Yes I have read the book form of the Grail message, and experienced the living form of the Grail message. It is a fact I have already stated in this forum many times. I however do not claim to be a "grail messenger" as I am member of no religious/spiritual body.

However, What I state, are my opinions and on the basis of my personal experiencing. The fact that something is written in one book or the other (whether Bible, Koran, or the Book form of the Grail message) does not prove the validity or otherwise of it. And Indeed, it is a mistake to stop at the letters of any book, including the one of Abdrushin.

I was led to Grail message via a spiritual experience. And A lot of people have experienced the Truth without ever reading any book, including the book form of the Grail message.

To sum up, I speak about things I have experienced. And Whatever I say, is my opinion and my experience. People should open their heart, use their intuition to seek the Truth and experience it also.

If on the other hand, your words were meant to be derogatory and pejorative, then I wish you strength and blessings.

Greetings.
Dear LoJ

I am quite interested in your opinion/experience/ideas... I believe in God and have many questions unanswered by religions, so I have long resigned from them. Please how can I contact you? May I have your number?
Science/Technology / Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 2:10am On Apr 19, 2016
LoJ:

Hello Fayahsoul,

I am not sure about the meaning of your sentence. Yes I have read the book form of the Grail message, and experienced the living form of the Grail message. It is a fact I have already stated in this forum many times. I however do not claim to be a "grail messenger" as I am member of no religious/spiritual body.

However, What I state, are my opinions and on the basis of my personal experiencing. The fact that something is written in one book or the other (whether Bible, Koran, or the Book form of the Grail message) does not prove the validity or otherwise of it. And Indeed, it is a mistake to stop at the letters of any book, including the one of Abdrushin.

I was led to Grail message via a spiritual experience. And A lot of people have experienced the Truth without ever reading any book, including the book form of the Grail message.

To sum up, I speak about things I have experienced. And Whatever I say, is my opinion and my experience. People should open their heart, use their intuition to seek the Truth and experience it also.

If on the other hand, your words were meant to be derogatory and pejorative, then I wish you strength and blessings.

Greetings.
Science/Technology / Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 2:06am On Apr 19, 2016
LoJ:

Hello Fayahsoul,

I am not sure about the meaning of your sentence. Yes I have read the book form of the Grail message, and experienced the living form of the Grail message. It is a fact I have already stated in this forum many times. I however do not claim to be a "grail messenger" as I am member of no religious/spiritual body.

However, What I state, are my opinions and on the basis of my personal experiencing. The fact that something is written in one book or the other (whether Bible, Koran, or the Book form of the Grail message) does not prove the validity or otherwise of it. And Indeed, it is a mistake to stop at the letters of any book, including the one of Abdrushin.

I was led to Grail message via a spiritual experience. And A lot of people have experienced the Truth without ever reading any book, including the book form of the Grail message.

To sum up, I speak about things I have experienced. And Whatever I say, is my opinion and my experience. People should open their heart, use their intuition to seek the Truth and experience it also.

If on the other hand, your words were meant to be derogatory and pejorative, then I wish you strength and blessings.

Greetings.
Dear LoJ, I am quite interested in your explanations, and/or ideas, since religions can't be questioned and their holy books have many flaws which contradicts their own description of God, I've resigned from them a while ago, but certain phenomenon, and some experiences have made me understand there are indeed other planes, I believe in God, but religions can't answer my questions, science purposely deflects anything pertaining to God, besides, science itself still has myriads of questions and problems to solve, if it is possible for me to visit and/or be involved in this other planes you have described, I would like to know how, it seems promising to answer my questions, please, how can I contact you, may I have your number or can you contact mine (08149630160) ,emails:the6ixth@yahoo.com; khatchy24@gmail.com bb pin:2BA5338F, you mentioned about God laws. What are they? I can't dare and try to read he holy grail message because the very name seem to tell me I'll be misled into an irredeemable path. For now, I'm living my life trying to help as much people as I can, learn as much as I can albeit on the earthly plain, I'm a little selfish and do not pay much attention to the need of others, but do my best not to hurt or derail them from their way of life or belief, I respect and acknowledge God's existence, and hope to visit other planes too.

Thank you.
Science/Technology / Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 10:25pm On Apr 17, 2016
micodon:


The Bible NEVER said that. People who do not understand the Bible think the 6 creative days are 6 literal days.
you mean they're not literal days? It means you skipped the part that said, then night came and mornng came and it was the third day or something like that...
But then on the same logic that these aren't literal days, can you say most of what was mentioned in the bible are parables?
And to the scientists, johndon especially, the idea of God(s) is an hypothesis, the bible has so man flaws, that's very obvious!, but you can't possibly dispose the hypothesis of God's existence following the same logic of scientific studies...
Have you tried analysing the complex molecules that makes of enzymes and proteins, does it sound plausible that it just appeared? And reproduction too, did the first organism just got the idea and process to replicate?
I know what your answer might be... "We don't know yet, we will in the future" how long do you think the human race will exist? Two million years? Two hundred million? All this , the space the earth occupy, the solar system, the time... If referred to a mathematical logic and compared to the time that has passed in the universe or the space it occupies, is it not too insignificant to be considered?
My point it is too early to dismiss the hypothesis of God, defined as the creator(not necessarily man like)
Science/Technology / Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 10:05am On Apr 12, 2016
vivaciousvivi:

God bless you. I have been itching to comment on the time travel comments I saw here. Its completely abstract.
I think it is too late/too early to consider time an abstract idea, how do you define time? According to Einstein we are yet unable to satisfactorily define time, why? Most probably because we don't exist in it's dimension,
Besides, time has already been encrypted into the basic of physics, most properties are defined by characteristics which varies with time.
Science/Technology / Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 1:36am On Apr 12, 2016
Dollyak:

There is a huge possibility for backward time travelling, at least from a mathematical point fo view-based on Einstein's theory of general relativity, which describes gravity as the warping of spacetime by energy and matter. An extremely powerful gravitational field, such as that produced by a spinning black hole, could in principle profoundly warp the fabric of existence so that spacetime bends back on itself. This would create a closed timelike curve, a loop that could be traversed to travel back in time.
about travelling back in time, I don't know if this issue has been addressed in other posts or threads, if not, then this, I recently read about the hypothesis of the parallel universe where every possible scenario occurs on different planes at the same time, so if this is true, then if you're travelling back in time what scenario type earth, would you have travelled to? Can you risk it?
Science/Technology / Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by rhizoidz: 12:46am On Apr 12, 2016
mayskit4luv:
All I knw z dat equilibrium will b established someday....
the thing is, equilibrium is always, always I repeat, established.

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Science/Technology / Re: . . . Infinity . . . by rhizoidz: 11:49pm On Apr 11, 2016
rhizoidz:
Like a scientist I love being opposite, questioning the root of things and ideas before trying to get answers,

I'm going to relate the omnipotence paradox to a mathematical theory of the idea of the rotation of the moon around the earth.

Instances
1. X is omnipotent, which is defined as the ability to do all.
2. Can X create an entity(Y) which is too great for him to destroy?

Possibilities
1. Just like space and time would be opposite sides of the same entity, creation and destruction, life and death, infinity and zero are opposite sides of the same entity, the fact that for X to be omnipotent, he must be able to do Y and undo it at the same time,each of which makes the other impossible, which is supposed to be normal , one observation of mine is that whenever two equal sides if the same entity are imposed , they create a continuum, which both are present and at the same time none is present.

2. The factors that would confirm X's nature of being omnipotent is the ability of X 1. Be able to create Y which he should not be able to destroy then 2. Destroy Y, if he can do both, then he is omnipotent, isn't that so? He has to obey two forces of the same magnitude but different directions, now relate this to the rotation of the moon about the earth... The moon is subjected to obey the law of gravity and that of the first law, so did that mean a massive explosion? No an infinite loop of cycles, then if X's ability to create Y and then destroy it made him omnipotent, it might have also made him eternal, stuck in a loop of cycles...
Darn it!! I've just created another question!

Looking up to you peeps, can you help me sort this hypothesis, and put it in the right order.
more ideas are coming! This might explain why matter and energy(which are also an example of opposite sides of the same entity) cannot be destroyed, why? Because they were never created!, or are always created.
Science/Technology / Re: . . . Infinity . . . by rhizoidz: 10:59pm On Apr 11, 2016
Like a scientist I love being opposite, questioning the root of things and ideas before trying to get answers,

I'm going to relate the omnipotence paradox to a mathematical theory of the idea of the rotation of the moon around the earth.

Instances
1. X is omnipotent, which is defined as the ability to do all.
2. Can X create an entity(Y) which is too great for him to destroy?

Possibilities
1. Just like space and time would be opposite sides of the same entity, creation and destruction, life and death, infinity and zero are opposite sides of the same entity, the fact that for X to be omnipotent, he must be able to do Y and undo it at the same time,each of which makes the other impossible, which is supposed to be normal , one observation of mine is that whenever two equal sides if the same entity are imposed , they create a continuum, which both are present and at the same time none is present.

2. The factors that would confirm X's nature of being omnipotent is the ability of X 1. Be able to create Y which he should not be able to destroy then 2. Destroy Y, if he can do both, then he is omnipotent, isn't that so? He has to obey two forces of the same magnitude but different directions, now relate this to the rotation of the moon about the earth... The moon is subjected to obey the law of gravity and that of the first law, so did that mean a massive explosion? No an infinite loop of cycles, then if X's ability to create Y and then destroy it made him omnipotent, it might have also made him eternal, stuck in a loop of cycles...
Darn it!! I've just created another question!

Looking up to you peeps, can you help me sort this hypothesis, and put it in the right order.
Science/Technology / Re: The Fermi Paradox by rhizoidz: 10:17pm On Apr 11, 2016
SirWere:

Have you read Micheal Criction's "sphere"
I haven't,just read a summary on wiki and the idea of space-time travel/explorations has always spooked me, let us not bite what we can't chew and chew what we won't be able to swallow nor spit.

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Science/Technology / Re: New Group Created For Curious Minds by rhizoidz: 7:50pm On Apr 11, 2016
RobinHez:
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here's my pin

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Science/Technology / Re: Simplified Physics With Johnydon22 Part 1 (newton's Laws Of Motion) by rhizoidz: 2:38pm On Apr 11, 2016
Geofavor:

Lol. See as you dey laugh me. We are still on the same page here, boss.
It seems you and the other guys misunderstood what I meant by "explosion" in that context. I didn't mean "blow up". No. I meant a "rampant increase".

If I'm correct, a singularity exploded (or expanded) over billions of years to form the universe -- says the theory.

Subsequently, living organism began to emerge. How? They formed themselves from the already existing matter. This, I am not comfortable with.




grin. Definitely I have a lot to learn. If this is so, shouldn't reproduction be made from raw matter then? I think abiogenesis is still a mere hypothesis.
I trust the hypothesis od abiogenesis , 'cause living compounds(complex protein compound) have been successfully recreated in laboratories ,by making a kind of parody of the early stages of the earth, one thing bothers me. How was life able to replicate, I understand the process though, what I mean is why? Why were organisms able to reproduce, what prompted this action?
Science/Technology / Re: The Fermi Paradox by rhizoidz: 8:55am On Apr 11, 2016
johnydon22:


That is quite intriguing but still doesn't account to the fact no other person saw that particular event that only the kids saw.

If a flying machine suddenly appears in the sky close for people to see majority would see it not some selected few.

My position when it comes to U.F.O alien theories remains.

U.F.O means Unidentified flying Objects and as it name implies "Unidentified" means we have no idea what it is.

If you call it an alien space ship, it is no longer "Unidentified" since you already identified what it is.

Lenticular clouds are said to be the most causes of U.F.O sightings, that we don't know what a flying object is doesn't mean it is alien.

Until we get a clear picture of such claims, maybe the aliens stop landing in back yard of farmers and school children and start landing in airports.

till then there is no need to paint a picture based on such vague shadowy claims.

Since only children saw it, maybe it was only their senses that was able to pick it up, but I still don't think it was an alien ship, if an alien specie, travelled all the way to earth, and they're like us humans, they'll want to make an impression, impose on us an idea of how sophisticated they are, and I don't believe they would travel all those years only to land on earth and what? Vanished?
Science/Technology / Re: The Fermi Paradox by rhizoidz: 8:41am On Apr 11, 2016
Here's my own hypothesis.

What if we're looking at the whole intelligence thing in the wrong way? The seemingly large or perhaps, slight difference between living and non-living things, why was there life in the first place? Was it necessary to exist? If so, why? , or we were just lucky? Let us look at these questions.

1.Other planets with seemingly earth like conditions, assuming life was able to start on them... What if they didn't evolve towards intelligence? As evolution selects only species best suited to their certain environment. We of-course don't expect all the earth-like planets to have the same environmental factors as ours, the number and properties of other celestial bodies around it. A good back up to this is the previous dominance of the reptiles most particularly dinosaurs on earth, if that huge meteor hadn't hit earth, then would we, mammals have gotten a chance to survive or evolve to this point? Would dinosaurs have reached a stage of intelligence?( I very much doubt this, but who knows?) Would other factors have changed or continued that might have also led to the dominance of other species entirely which unlike humans or more appropriately mammals didn't evolve towards intelligence nor dinosaurs towards size and large body parts?
Evolution into multicellular organisms occurred in various independent forms on earth, yet only the kingdom of animals found a specie which evolved towards intelligence, didn't other forms of multicellular organism continue to evolve? Would other forms, perhaps the slime moulds (just an instance) be able to evolve towards intelligence perhaps in a few million or billion years?
Or would they evolve into another forms of survival, perhaps more efficient than intelligence? We might never know, because most of this factors are much beyond our scope of calculation and observation which of_course start the course of. Experimentation and calculations, which would therefore lead to more questions, maybe more answers, we might never know, we are considering matters of the scope of billions of years both into space and into time.
2. All this factors are also present in earth like planets, many of them might not have evolved towards intelligence.
3. How much do we know of life? Since this is the basis of the question of intelligence, just like atoms are the basis of matter,oh! Sorry not anymore, now we have protons, neutrons ,electrons, which in turn are made up of other units, then more sub-units, and more and more, into infinity, hope you get that scope. What if apart from our focus on earth-like planets, there are other forms of life-like existence, that our own life form and senses cannot detect, how much can human really perceive? Senses of touch, smell, sight, taste, and hearing ,are they the only forms of perception there is in this universe? Have other beings evolved into this forms of perception, is there more to what we know? are we only seeing one side of the coin? I mean why should we assume other life forms would perceive like us, for instance, let's say plants are intelligence, then while looking for organisms of their own like, only focus on the idea that all other organisms like them have to be green, any other life to them , seem un-life like, let's take a stroll into the bible, in genesis it is said, "let's make man in our own image" what if there are other images?

Do you not think so?

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