ELKASPBG:
nigerian navy will cook all S/A navy in less than 3mins

Yes please do tell. With what and how?

In SA waters NN will be sitting ducks and in Nigerian waters SAN will be getting in way over their heads. But out in blue water with both NN and SAN away from home support straight navy vs navy engagement? Come on man... don't be delusional the NN's goose will be well and truly char grilled

Henry120:



Providing Security is the sole responsibility of the Nigerian Government. At the end of the day, the buck stops at the desk of President GEJ. He takes the blame.


The United States since the end of WW2 has been involved in over 70 wars/conflicts around the world. In all 70 wars, only involving the U.S, they have only seen victory against tiny island nations of Panama and Guam, i'm had pressed to think of another or more they've had Success in.

I don't see the military justification the U.S commander has to claim the Nigerian military strategy is failing. "After 8 years of occupying Iraq, they are back in Iraq."


Human rights allegations, I mean, these fools are funding terrorists in Syria, parling with known terrorists sponsors (Saudi-arabia, Qatar, turkey, kuwait), and selling AH's to Egypt, Israel, kuwait, colombia.

They should spare Nigeria the gibberish and just say " we won't sell to you.", we herd elsewhere.

As for the French............ let's just say, when the first colonialist stepped his foot on francias Afrique , he hasn't left.

Agree with you 100%

Henry120:


What do you think stealth is?

Low thermal signature, reduced acoustic signature, low radar detectability in relation to size (an SAN 200 MEKO surprisingly appears as an empty "dead spot" from some angles when moored alongside viewed on low tech civilian grade small craft radar) integrated with sonar, radar, IR, optical systems able to detect, search and track other objects in passive modes at relatively decent ranges.

Being able to successfully track and target an equivalent but more detectable opponent (same radar,etc) at a stand off range the other vessel is unable to successfully engage from. In terms of ships that's an abbreviated overview of stealth I think.

However all the design elements and systems needed to achieve this are very expensive and not really necessary particularly for OPV's of the Centenary's nature which is ideal and a lot more cost effective for it's intended purpose compared to costly to purchase and run high tech "stealth" ships able to play hide and seek with fancy foreign ships.

If the target is rebels/pirates and the vessel's systems are able to watch/detect/intercept them before they know they've been spotted then it's stealthy compared to them.

agaugust:


The American fool should first go and lecture American military that failed in Afghanistan after 11 years war against Taliban, the white-man's super power army has been defeated in Afghanistan, Taliban terrorists still control 50% of the nation and USA is withdrawing it's thosands of troops, thousands of armoured vehicles and hundreds of combat aircraft....Americans you go weep and cry over your own colossal military failure and leave the black people's Naija army alone, we are the pride of the black race worldwide.

Hey, let USA send Yankee white army to come to Nigerian military academy and learn how to recover your army vehicles back from the enemy when you lose them, Taliban rag tag terrorists are driving around Afghanistan in captured Obama Humvee vehicles till today, White House, go to Aso Rock for combat lectures !

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Believe it or not I agree with you on this one. Their help never comes without huge strings attached and own interests prioritized at the long run expense of the countries they invade/manipulate, we've all seen how well it's turned out for the all the countries they've "helped" in the last 20 years. At least (in recent years) when the French may perhaps have on occasion covertly come in to sort out certain situations affecting their interests, once done they get out, say nothing and don't play puppet master with the region involved.

With comments from their 'US Africa Command' general like this: "The United States was working with Nigeria to build a comprehensive strategy "across the board, not just military," that encompassed education, economic development and health care to address the needs of the population in the north, the four-star general said.", giving a worrying feeling of hang on a minute! Influencing strategy "across the board"? That's the sort of thing they were saying before ruining all the countries they've recently "liberated". Not good

agaugust:


American drones are the best in the world and they crash dozens of times, all drones are prone to crashes, no pilot control.

SANDF does NOT have Seeker drone in service, so you have nothing comparable to Nigeria's armed drones in service
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Seeker was used extensively to track rhino movements and try and look for poachers in the Kruger Park, so they are operational. We're not at war so obviously they aren't in service If we need them they'll be fielded and with far more sophisticated avionics, surveillance equipment, targeting systems, weapons, etc than that cool little thing.

The Seeker 400 is fully developed and operational including integration of weapons systems, just in case the user wants to go on the offensive , with successful live firing tests using DENEL Mokopa precision guided air to surface missiles (similar to the US Hellfire missile but more modern, more accurate and with longer range) already completed. If you put some A-Darters under the wings good chance it would be able to knock one of those American Predator drones you love out of the sky.

Apologies for correcting you yet again, not only can they be put to work if required but they're designed, developed and produced entirely in house right from the seeker heads of the munitions to the tips of the wings, so be careful not to pull a hamstring as you extract your foot from your mouth. I know it is a burden having to store so much wisdom and knowledge in your head so I completely understand how you may have forgotten that RSA has been building UAV's since the 70's

agaugust:


Light more candles and you will see the photo more clearly, don't let electricity load shedding rob you of your eyesight....Southie
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Don't worry I've got my reading specs on I should be fine, thanks for your concern buddy.

agaugust:



Means Nigerian military has the most advanced drones in Africa, first country to use missile armed drones in war !

See the military that @THIZA calls rag tag, LOL !

We are one of the most sophisticated military forces in the world today !

You tell a South African mugu that nobody really knows all the weapons Nigeria has, they will still be arguing like fools.

Mumu village candle light South Africans say Nigerian air force has no PGMs or air to surface guided weapons...LOL



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Didn't know you spoke chinese in Nigeria, I'll be damned learn something new everyday. That eye in the sky drone is actually a bit smaller and less impressive looking than my friends radio controlled airplane though.

PS google is your friend search for Denel Seeker and Bateleur(Home grown, not chinese cheapies that fall out the sky):

agaugust:


That is war, no side has monopoly of scoring hits, war is war, both sides are armed with weapons, both can kill and be killed. That is real war !

You Southies don't know what war is like because SANDF performs only in photographs and on internet, you ask SANDF to deploy 30,000 man army with infantry, artilley, tanks, etc plus a complete air force of jets , helicopters , drones , ISTAR, etc, only then will you Southies know what war really is, only then will your SANDF be truly battle tested.

As at today 2015, SANDF is NOT battle tested, in Bush war old SADF deployed only 4,000 men about 25 years ago.

Since then, South Africa has NEVER deployed up to 2,000 men fighting alone, NEVER !

Your current fleet of air force jets have NEVER flown any combat mission !

You have NEVER written an exam, yet you laugh at those who have written exams many time over, you are really thoughtless !

Go to war, big war , all alone and let us see SANDF performance, not internet boasting of what you have never experienced.

Fight war at home in Soweto, fight against your own citizens and see betrayers, moles, traitors, and secret enemies, plus suicide bombers, then and only then call we call SANDF a real professional battle tested army, for now, SANDF is a photographers club
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OK yes yes, but we would have had to have kept the apartheid government to have retained all those skills of fighting against our own people. I prefer our current relative peace and absence of continuous paranoia wrt the civil unrest of the days when we were doing just that (we used to get pretty good grades on our tests). So happy to not have to study all the time anymore honestly ( I'm still around kicking and breathing after personally writing a few exams over the years so I must've passed them all- how many "exams" have you written hero?). We do have shiny toys though

Wow, thanks for the update and pics that is genuinely very intriguing. Definitely an indication there are things going on behind the scenes that are being kept very much hushed up and out of the public domain. Is anyone here able to identify or recognize the weapons attached to the drone? May help to give an idea as to it's origin.

agaugust:


I have spoken you in 7,500 comments https://www.nairaland.com/agaugust/posts

If you ask old arguments to be repeated for you, I won't waste my time.

If you post new issues, I don't let any Southie go Scot free when he deserves a hammer, you get my reply....my sledge hammer made in Nigeria....proudly Naija
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Aweah you're talking to me again, so stoked Give me the Bl00dy sledgehammer please!

agaugust:


Hey, load shedding candle nation man, It compares like this : -


Seleka used AK-47 to white-wash 250 South African army elite paratroopers plus highly trained special forces. The SANDF men ran so fast one of their Gecko vehicle wheels/tyres came off, Seleka was close behind them, SANDF abandoned Gecko, began to do Olympic Springbok race for life, performed speed race as if spectators were cheering, lost ALL four Gecko vehicles, some Toyota 4x4, and new uniforms plus nice kits.

Nigerian army? The 3 photos you posted are of vehicles Naija Ninjas have destroyed, the tracked APC photo has been repeated here shown over 20 times, burnt to ashes, the Mowag APC photo has been posted here repeatedly over 20 times recaptured by Nigerian soldiers driving it around Konduga town with crowd cheering and hailing the champions of Africa, the Boko Haram leader in your photo is dead....Nigerian army of courage put pumped bullets into his lungs and also hammered his head.

Anyone who calls Nigerian army cowards has been proved wrong in 7 days o ! Recaptured all APC and artillery lost in Baga as Boko Haram abandoned equipment and ran away for dear life like Mandela's SANDF Springbok photomania army o !

Smoking hot NA infantry repelled 6 simultaneous attacks on 3 different cities all at the same time, withdrew only from Monguno temporarily to reload more ammunition, returned back to counter attack Monguno in 2 days, roasting Bokos as we speak.

Now show me how South African army has done any combat like this in the past 20 years fighting alone .....Seleka slaves = SANDF

That is how it compares!
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Erm... sorry to bug you again. You say this is all happening within Nigeria's borders? On home ground have army equipment forcibly captured and have to recover it. Have to mount a military operation to recapture one of your own cities?! Holy moly brother that's seriously fv(ked up! Sorry for giving you so much grief it's just that I can't comprehend or relate to such a terrible situation, it really puts the crime issue in SA we're always moaning about into perspective... first world problems hey, crying about stolen cellphones etc while people are dying elsewhere...

patches689:


because at this stage he is trolling

you should see the things he admits on beegeegles blog

He knows the NA is sh1t

Oh so that's why he doesn't talk to me? I was starting worry my armpits were stinking or maybe my breath smelt bad

agaugust:


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Now let SANDF try learn from Nigerian army, go back to Seleka boys and destroy or collect back your Elite Paratroopers Gecko vehicle that Mandela suffered 27 years to buy
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So they should plan and execute an operation costing 1000s of times the value of those souped up golf carts (and expose personnel and equipment assets to risk unnecessarily) that were deployed into the field as consumable items to be discarded once they'd served their purpose that were never intended to be brought back in the 1st place just to prove to you that they can?

I'm quite proud you are so impressed and place so much value on what are essentially disposable tools.

Hang on a second I've just remembered I think my petrol receipt blew out of my car's window yesterday after filling up 100km away from my house, I have to leave right now to go find it! It's going to be dark within two hours (no street lights either due to our country wide black out we have at the moment) and I can't afford to wait till to tomorrow, what if it rains tonight! It will be ruined

What's with your Mandela jibes by the way? You continually throw out that fishing/trolling line with emotional bait on the hook trying get Saffas to bight and wind them up. He really never had as much to do with SA's military excursions as you imply and nothing to do with military operations for more than 2 decades already. See I even tasted the bait now but spat out the hook

He must sure have inherited the biggest trust fund ever now that I've learned he seems to have personally bankrolled the entire infrastructure of South Africa (roads, buildings, free jobs, jets, houses, cities, ships, you name it he paid for it... what the heck do they spend my tax money on then, I think I'm going to send a sternly worded email to my local counselor as soon as I've returned from finding my petrol slip )

agaugust:


Do you know why I don't usually reply your comments? You are a time waster trying to drag me back into old arguments that have been discussed and stuff proved many times over and over on this forum in the past 2 years. I wouldn't waste my valuable time repeating all over again the same things I have said and proved several times, I am not a jobless man, it seems you live on ANC cash support for the unemployed parasites society of South Africa.

Oh come on I implore with great reverence and esteemed respect Agaugust please don't deny me of your blessed attention and response Take no insult from my cheeky petulance, I appreciate your stamina/resolve/conviction and really enjoy the banter

agaugust:


Do you know why I don't usually reply your comments? You are a time waster trying to drag me back into old arguments that have been discussed and stuff proved many times over and over on this forum in the past 2 years. I wouldn't waste my valuable time repeating all over again the same things I have said and proved several times, I am not a jobless man, it seems you live on ANC cash support for the unemployed parasites society of South Africa.

You'd be amazed how wrong you are. Let's just say I genuinely love living and working in Africa, perhaps wages hard earned in West Africa (maybe even in Nigeria;P ) put the bread on my table...

agaugust:


500 Rhinos were evacuated from South Africa and rushed to safety in Botswana that has a better army. SANDF. SAAF, Special Forces, Rangers, and 21 Battalion were all defeated live and direct on home soil Kruger park South Africa....see American commandos helping your army

http://www.hollywoodsoapbox.com/?p=10593


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If you want to nit pick stories you should have googled a bit more and you'd have found out you really missed a good opportunity to take a cheap dig there (if you had would still have called you out for not understanding about the lessor evil for the greater good though). Some were not only moved for safety but in fact sold for substantial amounts to the big game hunting industry to generate funds to allow SAN Parks to increase their conservation and preservation efforts.

agaugust:


One single ANC terrorist lone ranger used a bicycle to attack, blow up Koeberg nuclear reactor right inside the heart of South Africa on home soil where hundreds of thousands of SADF, SAP, and BOSS were operating all over your country, one man rode a bicycle and broke through your national security system, blew up your most powerful weapon factory and escaped from the noses of the entire South African military, paramilitary, and intelligence forces.....by riding a bicycle

You should be ashamed to even write that your comment.

Anyway, proves that only one single terrorist is enough to defeat the whole of South Africa, so 1,000 Boko Haram will recolonize you completely if they rise up inside Soweto township at mid night with full force and heavy weapons
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Aah... see that was a successful opportunity taken advantage of while the country was under what you were referring to as "saturation attack" when describing how your 3 jets with dumb bombs would overwhelm vessels that would be functioning as a cohesive entity using each others weapon systems as required able to detect, track and target (all at ranges those planes would only be able tell someone is looking at them but not be able to see who, nevermind target back) 16 air threats each, fitted with 32 SAM missile each far exceeding most planes abilities to avoid (and easily launched in multiple numbers simultaneously to overwhelm whatever jamming or countermeasures attempted) all the while the bombs would be dealt with using separate tracking and targeting radar dedicated to the CIWS systems. Any fancy tactics to get into the "blind spots" of the CIWS would put the jets well within the 20km effective kill range of the Block 2 Umkhontos. See THAT is proper saturation (on the defensive) attack ;p

But just to put that one not all that consequential act of sabotage out of many hundreds of successfully intercepted and foiled attempts around the country at the time into perspective I'll just leave this here... a bunch of villagers doing something that he government was well aware of but helpless or unwilling to do anything about causing a massive disaster:

http://www.counterspill.org/article/nigerias-oil-brief-history

DieVluit:


I asked you to articulate your point. You refused to. I know what they are linked to.

I am saying that your response to him is pointless.

So I will say it: that picture is pointless. You made no point.

Yip just pointing out one picture rendered that entire post (which I think was to show up the R4/R5 series of 5.56mm rifles as under endowed peashooters) pretty much pointless.

Wow the NA has FN FALs, no ways you lie, that's really impressive. I think most South Africans did basic training with FN's and the R1 was an improved version (no need to modify it to get full auto) and 2nd to the AK47 is by far and away the most highly produced and distributed assault rifle ever made.

Posting a bunch of photos from google of weapons that are available on the open market and may be in use by, and take note of admission in original post "security forces" many of which are foreign pmc's made up of a large percentage of "Southies", means what exactly? (apart from giving indication of a potentially ignorant keyboard warrior)

We'd need a whole new thread to post the pictures of all the rifles SA never mind can field but in fact produces locally, small calibre, medium calibre, large calibre the lot. Ever heard of Denel or Truvelo (you know... that company that produces possibly some of the most powerful and long ranging sniper/anti materiel rifles)?

PS: just to assist you with your knowledge and prevent you putting your foot in your mouth in the future Wayoverhyped; the composite butt is a dead give away, original FN's all have wood butts. The British FN SAL derivative also has a composite butt but only semi auto single shot capability (not even 3 shot burst functionality). In the Falklands their soldiers ditched their single shot SAL's if they could get their hands on one of the FN FAL's the Argentinian soldiers carried.

overhypedsteve:
those are cute rifles. bt check these ones out. all these guns are being fielded or have been fielded by the nigerian military and security services

You do realize that's a SOUTH AFRICAN R1 rifle in your 3rd picture?

agaugust:


South Africa as a nation has NEVER won any war fighting alone as a nation....RSA nation of failures
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Pffft... what is your definition of war? South Africa has never gone into combat as aggressors seeking to colonize or forcibly take control of land to expand it's for a better word "empire".

It was however at the receiving end of such attempts not too long ago and at great economic cost to itself during a period when it was a pariah state with very few allies (and even those allies contributed minimal support on a very unofficial basis) was forced to aggressively defend it's sovereignty.

Despite having to use the outdated equipment they were straddled with and operating far beyond her own borders on more than one front using local ingenuity/national pride and very effective on the ground tactics to best utilize it's compromised resources succeeded in protecting her independence- a feat NO other African country has ever achieved in the same situation.

Without them very much winning by defending her borders and remaining an autonomous state it's highly unlikely we would've been able to successfully transition on our own terms without international puppet masters (well non with absolute say anyway) into the proper democracy we have today with a relatively stable economy and government (at least compared to pretty much all other African nations).

There's a strong chance we'd have ended up like the majority of Africa- just another "banana republic" having it's resources plundered to no benefit of the citizens who live in the country.

So actually I think you've got that completely wrong, South Africa is the ONLY African country to have won a proper war as nation in the long run (I mean ffs a small contingent of SA mercenaries were required to effect changes to rescue the governments of Sierra Leonne and Angola from the RUF and UNITA respectively)

agaugust:


We too can mobilize NNS Aradu and 3 missile craft if needs arise

No you can't those missile craft don't even have working radar systems or functioning mountings for missile pods. They used to be like Warrior class strike craft but as their parts expired instead of being upgraded or replaced they were simply removed.

agaugust:


The rest of SAN fleet is a pack of toys, tiny OPV boats with old radars, and obsolete equipment, plus an old gun.

The minesweepers Germany gave you second hand are rusted and abandoned beyond repair.

Supply ship Drakensberg ran away from NAF Alpha jets in Ivory Coast 2010/2011 .

What else in in your navy? Nothing !

NNS Thunder alone will sink the whole South African navy once you remove your lone Frigate and lone Submarine.

SAN is dead !

Mandela's money has been wasted o !
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I'm not some new jaapie that needs to read all 7000 posts your of rhetoric and nonsense trying to find answers, I'd end up in a mental asylum. Last time I tried to converse with you wrt Otomats, Exocets the Arandu, etc etc the discussion went nowhere so I pissed off.

You can't give direct answers because you have no answers. NNS Thunder, PMSL, with what weapons system is it going to that with?

Oh my a fuel tanker resupply ship "ran away" from mighty Alpha jets at both engines full ahead 16 knots, lol. What are you on about? And oh yes there is only 1 frigate and definitely only 1 sub and they are both on their last legs The 2 things that look like frigates I can see out my window are actually just really clever holographic trickery and I can't see any subs I think they must have sunk all three in False Bay, no chance they've been sneaking around like subs are supposed to do....

You talk of outdated minesweepers, etc, yes they are, there did appear to be more naval ships by some margin in the NN inventory but 90% of them were moored up alongside in the naval basin looking ready for scrapping much like the type 341 WW2 scrap german minesweepers left to rot in the "graveyard" section of Smnstn harbour. In 2006 in Lagos during your what was it 25th, 50th independence celebrations? I watched most of the NN ships being towed to their anchorage points (due to them not being able to run under their own steam) in preparation for the jubilee.

The Amatola was moored alongside all that time looking like a SR-71 Blackbird amongst a bunch of Cessna's Only when the other foreign ships arrived was there something else good to look at. The most impressive Nigerian vessels by far and away were the very cool water patrol speed boats the Americans gave you!

You guys can't even stop pirates attacking and kidnapping people off the oil platforms 15km offshore that are a big part of the source of the oil that makes up 90%+ of Nigerias GDP! That's pathetic.

I have read them please just quickly break down or give clear answers to my questions

Mandela's Navy The current RSA foreign obtained defence hardware portfolio (ships, planes, etc) is a legacy of the previous Apartheid regime's many attempts and plans to modernize their equipment, agreements finalized during Mbeki's tenure. PS: I don't think Mandela would be too worried anyway seeing as he's dead

Also WTF? Australian "Green Beret". If that's a nomenclature that can be applied to more than one branch of service/unit or large scale mustering that isn't a very "special" force. American seals and "green berets" sure are big and strong but considering probably more than 5% of their general recruits are able to qualify and be deemed competent as a seal speaks volumes. They really are not that special at all.

agaugust:


I proved other navies that bought Otomat same time with Nigeria are still firing their missiles to show the world they are not expired, I posted a Latino navy doing it here.

NAF jets will sink the whole fleet of SAN within 15 minutes and you have no navy from that moment.

1 frigate, no diesel, double trouble for SAN
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agaugust:


Memory serves you wrong unfortunately. Most technical performance details of PL-9C missile

agaugust post=29791293:


Nigeria rejected intervention forces from world super powers including America, then Britain and the great Australian green beret desert special forces. so AU can go intervene in Cameroon that is begging for foreign help, they may accept HIV sick South African soldiers in Paul Biyas homeland
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are classified by China, but the bottom line is that it's successful hit on target is 90%
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Official numbers are official numbers.

In Nigeria it is illegal for the NA to hide casualties
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Hello there Agaugust

I haven't posted in this forum for about a year now have even forgotten my username I was using then. We were discussing capabilities wrt Otomat vs Execot and their launch platforms at the time, SAN frigates vs Nigerian frigate, but then I got ended up just going to the pub instead. I'm glad you have lost non of your passionate fire in the interim.

1. Which NAF jets are those exactly you refer to?

2. No doubt all technical performance details for the PL-9 are classified as it is with any other weapons system. The "unofficially obtained" figures of 90% successful engagement rate sure does sound impressive, but under what testing conditions how were these attained? Relying on surface controls like canards, rollerons and ailerons for stability/maneuvering (no thrust vectoring capability from exhaust nozzle) they are seriously compromised in engagements with fast moving targets able to detect them, perform evasive manouvres and deploy counter measures.

Seeing as the equivalent products produced on a relatively shoe string budget by indigenous SA companies (no need to worry about changing political climates as they have in house production capability) have demonstrated 100% success rate in internationally observed trials a claimed 90% success rate doesn't sound so good to be honest.

3. Illegal for the NA to hide causalities, so they have the same constitutional requirements of 95% of the worlds armies... do they have the same watch dogs in place to make sure they adhere to those rules? No not a chance, not even close, what would happen to a whistle blower in Nigeria that revealed something putting the authorities in a bad light and embarrassed the government?

4. Only 1 frigate working? Last time I checked 1 was in refit, 2 operational- ie either on patrol or ready for immediate deployment at full operational capability, the other ready to be deployed at full operational level on short notice if required.

5. I have to take my hat off and express genuine admiration and respect for Nigeria with how they handled the Biafra situation and despite America's best efforts to manipulate things to suit their agenda of expanding their empire (using many "humanitarian NGO's" yeah right, they were sneaky bastards) you guys did well there, well done. It wasn't portrayed in a popular light by the western propoganda/media at the time but it was the necessary evil required to achieve the greater good. So don't buy Chinese hardware(missiles, ships, whatever)! Why do you think SA turned down USA's offer of F-16s- way too many strings attached.

6. Not good form to criticize RSA for helping in CAR. At least they tried to help and actually did contribute something positive towards the well being of the local populace. Nigeria did nothing and they are right next door!