TeleboiZ005:
Another spam thread.

Do you actually know what 'spam' means?

I very much doubt it.

Spam doesn't mean a topic you do not like.

Op whats the essence of this thread
To tell us if not for gowon, igbos would have been in extinction?

What is so wrong about that?

Just because you don't feel comfortable giving credit to a non-Easterner doesn't mean we shouldn't tell the truth or discuss the issue.

Alfredah01:


I keep asking what are they using all this recovered funds for, we only hear it has been recovered and after that no info again about it, same greedy politicians will still steal the money so what’s the essence of recovering it?

Shut up your nasty lips and go and learn budgeting and finance before accusing people of stealing money. If you have 2 million naira savings in your account and I give you 10,000, which you add to the account, what will you say if I come to you a week later and ask what you did with the 10,000? And if you have no real answer, I will say you frittered the money away since you can't account for it?

Would that sound reasonable to you? Especially if in that period you've spent over 500,000 on various needs?

Idiots that cannot think beyond their mosquito brains.

SoNature:


If the money was spent judiciously, the projects it was used to execute will be gazetted.

You're talking rubbish. Recovered funds are returned to the national treasury from where they were taken. They don't go into a special account for ''recovered stolen money'', so it is SENSELESS asking ''what was done with the recovered money''. You people should at least show some evidence that you are educated.

wirinet:

No. You could renounce your Nigerian citizenship if you wish, afterall Kanu is a British citizen.

Lol.. that one will come here and cause trouble and when it gets too hot, retire to his base in London to chop life.

Uchek:
Why didn't Americans massacre Southern Americans when they prevailed?

Americans massacred native Americans. South America is different from America, ie USA.

I'm really not sure you know enough to contribute to this debate.

Why not just read and learn?

wirinet:


Remember in history, many other tribes had been exterminated after losing a war. Most south American tribes were extinguished by the Spanish.

My brother, is it only South American tribes? The entire native American Indian population that once occupied the country we now know as the USA, what happened to them?

Completely obliterated from the face of the earth.

Today a few remnants of them are packed into ''reservations'' where they are monitored like animals in a cage! On their own ancestral land!

gidgiddy:


You are incredibly naive. The Nigerian Army has been fighting war with Boko Haram for almost 10 years. The Nigerian government keeps telling you that Boko haram has been defeated but the same Boko haram are killing people daily including Nigerian Soldiers. Thats because Boko haram is no longer fighting conventional warfare but guerilla warfare

The only thing saving Boko haram is that Nigeria does not want to commit genocide in the north east. They can EASILY wipe out Boko Haram in a matter of days, but that would mean killing millions of civilians, since Boko Haram blend in with the civilian population, and wear no uniforms etc.

The Nigerian government didn't actually defeat Biafra, it was Biafra that chose to end the war.

You're starting to sound like a drunkard.

My father was a Biafran officer and he told me that there were thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers who were determined to carry on with the war, even if guerilla style. The only reason they decided to stop fighting is because Ojukwus trusted deputy, General Philip Effiong, asked them to give peace a chance. Even as at that, most them still held to their guns for days, even weeks, to know if there was going to be a massacre

Story for the gods. Your father is not an impartial arbiter. Of course he would say all that to boost his ego, and to keep you worshiping him.

This narrative that Nigerian Soldiers had conquered the place and could do whatever they wanted wasn't true. Had those thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers chose to carry on guerilla style, the war might still be on now.

No it WOULDN'T. First, because you need a LEADER, even in guerilla warfare, and your leader had fled to Ivory Coast. Secondly, as I stated earlier, a conventional army can destroy a guerrilla army in a matter of MINUTES if there are no concerns about civilian casualties.

So if Biafra had carried on a guerrilla campaign, Nigeria would have simply responded by CARPET BOMBING the entire east, and that would be the end of it.

In the case of Ojukwu fighting a war, he didnt have much choice really

You ALWAYS have a choice when it comes to war. You simply REFUSE to engage in it. Especially when you have no weapons to prosecute the said war. You look for every way to avoid conflict. You don't go declaring ''secession'' knowing you have no weapons to defend your position. That is called a miscalculation.

Kanu and IPOB are seeking self determination, which enshrined in international law that Nigeria has signed up to. It is the right of self determination that people like Zik, Awolowo and others used in asking for independence from Britain for the indigenous people in Nigeria

It is the same right that Kanu and others are using to ask Nigeria for independence for indigenous Igbos of Nigeria. What is wrong in people asking for freedom and independence? May be Kanu's style of agitation may not be to everyone's liking but he has not taken up arms and he did not kill anybody.

So what is the problem? Is by force to be a Nigerian?

I wouldn't go down this fruitless route if I were you. Do you realise there are over 50 separatist groups in the USA today? There are groups who want Texas to secede from the US. Some want California to secede. Go and ask Trump, whom you people love so much, what he thinks of the idea of Texas seceding from the US under the ''right to self-determination''. He'll put you straight. Nations simply do not like the idea of secession, whatever the UN says.

amuwo1980:


Gutter talks

Whenever I see a response like this, with just 1 or 2 words, it just screams, ''I've nothing to say in response to your truth, sir, so let me just drop a quick insult and hope no one notices I'm clueless!''

gidgiddy:


You are very ignorant. How do you think Gowon won the war against Biafra? He achieved it with the massive support he got, in terms of of arms and ammunition, from super power nations such as Britain and Russia. He claimed he was fighting a war to keep Nigeria one. That was the only legitimacy he had.

Had Gowon gone on to commit genocide after the war ended, the legitimacy would have swung in favour of Ojukwu. The international community would have agreed that Ojukwu was actually fighting to safeguard his people and they would have come down hard on Gowon and Nigeria

Lets not forget that as at the time the War ended, there were still thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers in the bushes. The major reason why they chose to lay down their arms was that their wasnt mass killing of people like they thought.

Had a genocide occurred after the war ended, its most likely that the international community and the UN would have switched loyalty to Biafra and Nigeria would have been defeated

Gowon didnt do anyone any favours. Gowon is still listed as a genocidal killer in the international community. Gowon singlehandedly caused the civil war by going back on the Aburi agreement he signed with Ojukwu in Ghana

Gowon was no hero, he only fought for his fellow Northerners to have economic and political control of Nigeria

Bros, you cannot invent history or rewrite it.

In 1967 there was no satellite technology to monitor who was killing whom. It was a case of if the govt allowed media to enter a region, then they could report on what they saw. If they refused to let you in, you saw and knew nothing. They would have eliminated Igbos and nothing would have happened, you hear?

The British would have loved nothing more than for the Nigerian army to go in there and decimate the 'troublesome' Igbos after their surrender.

The British media would have just said that federal troops went in and mopped up a few remnants of the rebellion. Case closed. Who argues with the British media?

What makes you think the coloniser, who created Nigeria, and who himself has a history of genocide in Africa and elsewhere, would care a hoot if Igbos were eliminated as a group? The same Igbos challenging their Nigerian contraption?

You folks keep having this idea that the white man is some sort of angel who cares about your black behind.

Biafra was a threat to THEIR Nigeria project, and the British gave Nigeria FOR FREE, weapons, warships, and fighter jets to eliminate that threat, but yet you somehow think they cared about you and your survival?

And that they would have opposed Gowon for killing too many of you?

Was it also the British that asked Gowon to declare No Victor No Vanquished and give you money, and help rebuild your cities?

You had ''thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers in the bushes'', so why did you surrender? Why did your leader flee? He clearly had no confidence in the ability of those ''fighters'' or he'd remain there and lead them to victory.

Your naivety is so comical.

It is the same naivety displayed by Ojukwu in fighting a war in the first place, armed with sticks and stones.

The same naivety displayed by IPOB and Kanu today, who approach British parliamentarians and US congressmen to help them actualize Biafra. The very same people who supported and armed Nigeria to keep the nation intact!

I mean, the depth of your geopolitical naivety is just....astonishing.

Cancelling out the words means nothing.

People can still read them.

And those tribal marks.... I absolutely love 'em.

It's called African Culture, something you know nothing about, being a colonised, ignorant air head.

After Ojukwu fled and the East surrendered, they were at the mercy of federal troops.

The federal troops were ready to march into the east and slaughter every single person there, thus ending the existence of the Igbo ethnic group.

Then they received a call from Lagos.

From Yakubu Gowon, who ordered them to sheathe their swords, and return to the barracks.

Without that call from Gowon, there would be no Igbos today, as an ethnic group.

There would be no Onitsha, Enugu, Owerri, Umuahia, Nnewi, Aba, or Abakaliki today.

Those places would have been renamed and would today be called,

New Kaduna

New Benin

Orisha Town

New Lagos

New Ilorin

New Zaria

Osun City

New Ilesha etc etc.


See, THAT is what NORMALLY happens when you lose a war.

You are not just left alone to carry on where you left off. All your leaders are executed. Your cities are burned to the ground, and your men massacred or enslaved, and your women carted off as wives and concubines, and scattered across the land.

But in Nigeria's case it was different, thanks to General Yakubu Gowon.

After the war he declared ''No Victor, No Vanquished''. A WORLD FIRST.

The entire world was STUNNED.

They least expected such a rare display of humanity and magnanimity from any country, least of all, an AFRICAN country.

Africa was a continent they had long dismissed as a savage, barbaric land filled with primitive, warring tribes who despised one other.

Gowon's declaration of ''No Victor, No Vanquished'' made world headlines, and was aired in every newspaper and TV station on earth when it happened, to serve as an example to the world, and to humanity, that military victory does not have to translate to the annihilation of your foe.

He even gave the defeated Biafrans money! And sent in federal funds to help rebuild their fallen cities! And allowed them to continue with self governance!

That simply never happens in warfare.

If you don't know warfare, go and study warfare.

Message for secessionist haters: Truth is, if Nigeria was anywhere near as evil, wicked and hateful of Igbos as you say she is, you wouldn't actually exist.

allcomage:

Guy Igbo have left Nigeria, they are the only smart ethnic group that know Nigeria is a failed state already. Nigeria can only get worst from now onwards and Nigeria is sure to disintegrate without war.

Funny how Igbos have ''left Nigeria'', yet are the most widely spread ethnic group across all states in Nigeria, including Lagos, Kano, Kaduna, Edo, Oyo, Osun etc.

A people whose livelihoods depends on earning money in those places outside Igboland.

You hate the people that are feeding you. Deluded man.

Wait till you secede and see how quick the FG deport your asses back to the east as ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Nnamdi Kanu will give you jobs from his London residence.

Ewu.

gidgiddy:


Let me tell you something you may not know. There isnt any Northerner that will vote an Igbo man to be President. It doesnt matter what Peter Obi did or did not do, there isnt any Northerner that will leave his his Muslim Northern brother to vote a Christian Igbo man like Obi. Not now or ever

How many Igbos vote for Hausa/Fulani president?

As you point a finger, 4 fingers point back at you.

RuudVanNisteroy:

Nigeria population is heading for a population of 300 million according to projections, as the leaders plunder the country day and night. If you think things are bad now, wait until another 100 million people are added to the country.

Absolute GARBAGE. Nigeria will be the world's 3rd most populous nation on earth after China and India by 2050, according to projections. That will drive the world's investors to Nigeria, which would be the 3rd biggest consumer market on earth.

Her annual GDP is also set to rise from a current 400 billion USD per annum to 2.5 TRILLION USD by 2050, as further economic growth and investment occurs, making her one of the top 10 economies on earth.

So your doomsday predictions are discredited, null and void.

RuudVanNisteroy:

Nigeria has some of the brighest people in the world, but they are relegated to the background. Nigeria is now poverty and corruption capital of the world and one of the few countries without 24 hour electricity.

You are a liar and an ignoramus. Get this: MAJORITY of nations on earth are developing nations. Fully 80% of countries.

ALL but a handful of those nations lack 24 hr power supply, and lack full access to electricity among their populations.

Plus if Nigeria is the ''poverty capital'' of anywhere, whatever the hell that means, she is also the middle class capital of Africa, as she has the largest middle class on the continent.

Finally, Nigeria is NOT the 'corruption capital' of the world, you nasty liar. Transparency International Corruption index does not have Nigeria anywhere near the most corrupt nations, so stop LYING.

And you can take your Dutch bullshiit and stick it up your fat colonialist asss.

We want NOTHING to do with you or any other colonial looters.

kutchs:

This is purely the emotional outburst of an insecure person devoid of any sense. No where in my comment did I suggest it's wrong to assist the need, I merely opined that begging isn't a business to be proud of. Even the Bible you're so quick to reference condemns begging when it says he who doesn't work shouldn't expect to it. I'm sure even does who beg aren't proud and happy they're begging. That's my point my dear.

Again, while it's my moral duty to help the needy, it's both a moral and legal duty of the govt to support them and take them off the street to ensure they are neither abused nor abuse others. You need to check the 1999 Constitution to see what they social responsibilities of the govt are.
There are so much the govt can do for the vulnerable than leave them at the mercy of the elements. Don't encourage govt's irresponsibility, that's my point.

BTW, keep your insults to yourself.

You're a moral degenerate. Who goes around saying they are proud to be a beggar? Why are you calling it a ''business''? You just pulled that out of your asss in order to smear and discredit those who beg.

We don't need you pointing out the govt's duty. Everybody here knows the govt's duty. This thread is about private citizens, ie YOU, helping those in need, NOT GOVT, so leave GOVT out of it for once in your finger-pointing, blame-shifting life.

And please, show us where your bible condemns begging. Because from my reading of the bible,

Deuteronomy 15:11

"For the poor will never cease to be in the land; therefore I command you, saying, 'You shall freely open your hand to your brother, to your needy and poor in your land.'

Proverbs 19:17

''One who is gracious to a poor man lends to the LORD, And He will repay him for his good deed.''


Proverbs 21:13

''He who shuts his ear to the cry of the poor Will also cry himself and not be answered.''


Proverbs 22:9

''He who is generous will be blessed, For he gives some of his food to the poor.''


Proverbs 28:27

''He who gives to the poor will never want, But he who shuts his eyes will have many curses.''


Matthew 5:42

"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.''


Luke 14:13

"But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind''


Job 29:11-12

"For when the ear heard, it called me blessed, And when the eye saw, it gave witness of me, Because I delivered the poor who cried for help, And the orphan who had no helper.


Do you see any reference to government there?

Where is the condemnation of beggars you claim is in the bible?

The money was returned to the national treasury.

These SERAP folks are amateurs.

When stolen money is recovered, the govt doesn't say ''Oh we'll use this money to do this or that project''. They simply add the money to the treasury, adding to the other billions there.

SERAP's foolishness is like somebody demanding to know how you spent your last paycheck. Must you have spent anything? It goes straight into your bank account. When you withdraw money from your account to pay for something, it's not specifically from your last paycheck, but from the general money in the account.

Fcking amateurs.

kutchs:

Don't celebrate govt's irresponsibility. Begging isn't a business to be proud of A responsible govt would identify those with poor mental health and send them to a rehab centre and not allow them on the streets where they could be abused or even abuse others.

The country has enough money to run some social services for the poor and stupid posts such as this validate their irresponsibility.

It is you that is stupid and inhuman. When God created you, did He say it was not your job to help your fellow man in distress?

Did He say leave it all to government?

Every Sunday you go to church to pray for riches for yourself. Is that not what you Nigerian ''christians'' do? Church for you is simply an ATM to beg God for money. Is that what your bible says worship is for? Is it not for selflessness and loving your neighbour as yourself? When last did your corrupt pastors stress such virtues?

No wonder you think it's not your job to help others in distress.

In the UK a century ago, when people starved in the streets and govt corruption was rife, private citizens came together to set up charities, and 'soup kitchens' for the poor and hungry. They didn't say ''it's the govt's job, none of our business''.

They took responsibility for their fellow citizens. Those private charities still exist today, despite the existence of govt welfare programmes for the poor.

It is your moral DUTY to help your fellow man if you can, irrespective of what the govt is doing or not doing. Get that into your little selfish skull, you hear?

Fragility6:

It does. Na d way u place urself nai odas go tk address you. The world knows our govt. cares less for its citizens so they can abuse us whereas an average US citizen is worshipped abroad. U see d correlation

You are IGNORANT and suffering from inferiority complex, which you cover by blaming the Nigerian govt.

The Egyptians treated that Nigerian bad because they are racists. End of story.

Do you think the average Egyptian or foreigner knows or cares about how the Nigerian govt supposedly treats its people or not?

They don't know and they don't care. All they know is they see a Nigerian and they hate his guts and his skin colour. Period.

They will not attack an American for the same reason they won't attack a Swede or Norwegian, or Australian. Because they are white, and the average Egyptian, like the average Nigerian, has been conditioned and brainwashed by colonialism and western media to believe that whites are a superior, untouchable race of people. It's really that simple. No need to go blaming the Nigerian govt for anything.

Dikegodspower:
I can't give a dime to a lazy northerner,, DAT believe that we are banks.
nonsense

Look at you. Selfish demon. But your people are in the north making billions of dollars annually, but you can't bring yourself to give 20 naira to a poor northern beggar with nothing. You will get your comeuppance. Selfish man.

Charleys:


Because the beggar has two legs and two hands, the only way a beggar can't make it is if his or her two legs and hands are all cut off.

Do you know some beggars have mental health issues that prevent them from 'hustling' or being productive ? It's not always about having 2 hands and legs. Try to be sophisticated in your reasoning.

I don't like this Wike guy. He's too antagonistic. The other day he was insulting traditional rulers and elders in a seminar. Now it's Oshiomohle. Rubbish. Cool down Mr Man. You're not perfect. Or perhaps you're a narcissist.