bjcole: @ rudysmith, i m more concerned about d men, not d ladies, dis is another man's wife 4 God sake

Sir, the only way you can solve a problem is by analyzing it fully. Trying to understand OR solve a problem looking at it from only one side, will have you fail times and times again. Yes, men who going after such women are wrong, but such men don't have any ehtics/morals *just like these cheating women*, so they both deserve each other.

If these women were not putting themselves out there like that, then these men would have nothing to chop but single women.

Cuddlemii:

Biased frame of mind?
I don't see how my comment warranted this. I only expressed my views which wasn't too bad (.i.e likely causes).

Thats what discussions are about, right?
Learning and pitching in the side(s) you are aware of or have experienced.

What if, I am just learning for the first time that women lie about earning more?
What you could have done was to disregard my comment and stuck to the BOTH sides you are knowledgeable about.
This also shows your know-all frame of mind

Are you saying that you do not know about any woman who lied simply because she was a deceitful person? are you saying that all women lie to prevent themselves from the evils of men? Are you saying that all women who lie about money do so because they have some and lie that they have none?

the fact that you automatically assumed that the wife may have done that because of how bad men supposedly are, shows your biased frame of mind. Nothing in your post pointed towards the fact that some women are lying deceitful beings out to con men in some way or the other...... which could be the case here? is that so far fetched, or it must *always* be that women do this because men are evil being, like you wrote?

Anyone *not bias* who just learn about a subject would use the whole issue to argue a point, and not just focus on *one side* like you did.

bjcole: I m askin this b'cos, most of my time in Phc with the pals i had then, D issue of married ladies was just a taboo, when we talk about it, it was like, why would i, with all these pretty girls around, that was just the notion then,but since i ve been in Lagos, few of d pals i ve now seem to be involve wit married ladies, i ve 2 start distancing myself 2 them b'cos its just absurd 2 me. So is it that there r no enough singles around? or is just something common among my yoruba guys? or what?

The above in bold means that you believe that married women are not pretty girls, and that's a big misconception. Also, shouldn't you also ask the question: Why would a married woman offer her married self to some single guys? The men that sleeps with these married women are not forcing these women, so the issue is bigger than just men wanting married women but more about WHY ARE THESE WOMEN AVAILABLE.

Cuddlemii: If your wife lied about her salary, then, you need to check yourself. That is the sad truth!
I don't blame some women for doing this. Money is the root of all evil and triggers some effects if not properly managed

Some men spend their wife's money on mistresses and night life leaving their wives haggard & dry.
Some kill their wives in order to inherit their wealth & marry younger lovers.
Some men abscond with their wife's money with a younger lover.

It could also be out of humility.
Sometimes you don't want to appear pompous, proud or intimidating, you just want your hubby to love you for you and not feel threatened or obligated.

If a lady keeps her salary away from her man, then, she is playing safe not necessary hoping to spend the man's money.
A lady has to secure her future with the kind two faced men we have all over the place that lack discipline

What you wrote only concerns wives who earn a lot and pretend they dont, while the poster's issue could be that the wife pretended she earned a lot while she didnt. The fact that you only focussed on ONE side of the issue, without any confirmation of the lie, shows your biased frame of mind.
There are many women out there who pretend they are rich and earning tons, while in fact they are living off handouts and peanuts.

Why do you think many women want to rock BB, Gucci bags, Louboutin shoes etc when they can't even feed their poor hungry self?

^^^ it could also be because they have no damn friends to associate with and take pictures of them. If people had "swag like that" then everyone would want to take pictures of them, but since they probably haven't, they have to pretend in front of a mirror and take the picture themselves.
In this way, they can take 150 pics, and choose the one that they think is best, and not showing their imperfection, instead of having one picture taken naturally and randomly in their daily lives by their friends, oozing of swag!

there is more to just saying *she lied*, you have to dig deeper and understand why she did and her state of mind at the time. so you must go back and ask her these questions:
* Why did you lie?
* What did you expect to gain from such lie?
* Did you think I was stupid enough not to find out eventually?
* What kind of family/home do you expect to build on deceit?

Her answers would decide on what actions to take.

One of the reason why women focus on the other girl rather than their men is simply because they are so in love and do not want to jeopardize that love. Going after the guy, he could simply get up and leave with that other girl, and that is not acceptable for some ladies *and even more shameful than the cheating itself.

furthermore, many ladies are too "emotionally receptive", so a guy would just say *i love u* and they would melt away and shut up.

thegoodjoehunt:
I said in 2006 Ronaldhino didn't win the World Cup but really he was the best player in the World that year. I didn't say he never won the World Cup before.

And who said anything about the best player out there this yr or any other?! stay on the subject. As for your Pele's prediction list, I suggest you google the definition of prediction and fact.

If Pele says that Brazil will win the next world cup and they didn't, it won't make the Brazilian team any less one of the best team that ever played the game. Are you now saying that anything that comes out of Pele's mouth is wrong or not accurate simply because he doesn't view Messi as you do?

You people are so funny, when i said that all these records are crap, most said what is my own record. when someone who is bigger than Messi says the same thing, he is not to be believed. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Unless you have anything relevant to bring to this discussion, let me bow out and let you debate your very poor points with others.

thegoodjoehunt:
Pele is jealous. Messi has proven all his critics wrong including me. What he did this year is amazing and he is the greatest ever.

Ronaldhino didn't win the World Cup in 2006 but he was clearly the best player in the World that day. He skinned Gattuso so much that he was benched in the two legs.

The World Cup is not a criteria. Messi has written his name in the stars.

I just pray he breaks this Muller's record with a hat trick.

So Pele is jealous because you say so or don't like what he said? shouldn't we take the words of the greats to value if Messi is a greatest or not, just like you did?! what kind of cheap statement is that? Ronaldinho is indeed one of football greats, he won the world cup with Brazil, wake up.
As i said earlier, Messi is one of the best payers out there today, YES along with many others, one of the greatest football player ever, NO!

Anyway, I see your arguments are not logical any longer so I will leave it at that.

thegoodjoehunt:
Pele said Wilson Oruma will take African Football to the next level, see where that left Nigeria.
Should I list Pele's failed predictions?

so now you shifted the goal and it's about right or wrong predictions now?! AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAA you took Lineker's words on Messi not because of his past predictions but because of his footballing past. why wouldn't you do the same for Pelé? you are now showing your bias state of mind in this discussion.

thegoodjoehunt:
You are confusing me. Guardiola was a great football player, he wasn't among the greatest.

Let us leave the coach aspect out. He knew what to do to stop Messi's injury problem. It worked. So he doesn't need to be Pele or Maradona for me to listen to him.

So if Sounese or McManaman or Kevin Keegan talks, I'll listen to them becaise they were great players. Same with Zico or Pasarella.

If Lineker says Messi is the greatest, Lineker is not comparing himself to Maradona.

What if Pele says he isnt?! would you believe Lineker's words or Pele? In a way you want me to tell you the name of all the great players who say that Messi aint the greatest? Ok then here is one for you Pele has always stood by the following statement:"Messi will never reach my 1,283 goals, and he can never claim to be the best until he shines in a World Cup."

with a fortune estimated at close to $100Million, he can afford to play in all these flop movies, and wait for the right movie comeback.

thegoodjoehunt:
He is on TV and signed to two media power houses because his records can't be forgotten. Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard's AC Milan can't be forgotten. ManUtd of 99 can't be forgotten.

Football is not centered around the World Cup

So now your record AFTER you retire as a footballer is relevant to your status as a great/greatest footballer? Let's judge these people for the football skills and what they achieved as footballers, nothing else matters here.

Do you think MaradonA is less of a greatest player that ever lived because he failed to win anything as Argentina coach? We are still talking about football player skills/trophies right?

thegoodjoehunt:
Are you telling me that you don,t know Guardiola used to be a great footballer and Captain of Barcelona FC?

The players of the past you said are not worth listening to used to be coaches. Johan Cruyff - Barcelona, Gullit - Chelsea, Souness - Benfica. So Guardiola used to be a player and is now a coach is perfectly in the same category.

Can you explain how that is irrelevant?

No player has done what Messi has done in club football. If they can't do his, why must theirs be compulsory.

again, you are coming with points that are irrelevant here. ok so Guardiola was a footballer, was he one of the greatest? should we compare him to Maradona? are his player's trophies any relevant here?

Again, what Messi is doing in club football is just short of the next man, unless you want to count all the rubbish records posted on the first post of this thread. As if scoring the most goals against any said team is an achievement in football now? come on now! I am waiting for one of you to also tell me he was the shortest one who ever scored 5 goals. the youngest one to have been in the locker room, or the only south american in the squad who score 4 goals against bla bla team. ahahahahaha

thegoodjoehunt:
By the way I was wrong of Lineker being the top goal scorer in two world cups. He was onlt the top in Mexico '86. He scored four in Italia 90. Still he is a football great.

and yes he was a great player (or what I called good), just like many others around. there are no less than 50 great players every yr in football, that are quickly forgotten when their career is over. the fact that GL is on TV does not make him any different than the others.

toluene12: @ruddy, sending ur girl child packing is not the answer. Sooner or latter she will leave and ur relationship with her when she were young will determine how she will treat u at ur old age when u will really need her.

Male or female child must obey foollow the rules that are put in place by their parents. What's the point of having rules if you can't stand by your own words? My actions are not driven by the fear of not having them taking care of me in old age (pension/savings etc are there for a reason), nor that they like me or not. This is MY rules and I am the adult. What kind of cheap blackmail is this? "if you dont let me do whatever I want, I wont take care of you in your old age" LWKMD!

What's next, invite their 200 friends over for a trash party, simply because they want to? go out for the next 3 days simply because they want to? insulting their parents because they think they can? yeah right!

teekrackz: Oga rudysmith don dey para ooooo wen messi dey enjoy 4 him house in Spain! U don press P!

And where are you? next to Messi enjoying Spain I suppose? Abeg keep quiet if you got nothing to say. Your words are irrelevant in this discussion.

thegoodjoehunt:
Please there is a difference between Football greats and greatest players.

You are right, and Messi cannot/shouldn't be considered greatest yet. important word is yet. The day he shows is great football skilsl on international level and shines, is the day he could be considered such.

Drogba isn't among football's greatest but he is a football great. Guardiola isn't one of football's greatest player but he is a football great.

When Guardiola took over Barca, he said he knows what to do to stop Messsi's injury problem. Whatever he did worked. Are you saying we shouldn't have listened to him because he isn't Pele or Maradona?

The above you just wrote has no relevance to the subject of this thread. pls we are talking of players, not coaches. the way you define a coach greatness is completely different than how you value a player.

By the way, apart from the World Cup' Messi has done better than Maradona in every other thing. So what is the nail in the coffin?

The nail in the coffin is that all these "every other things" you are talking about are crap, and not relevant to a footballers greatness. If you believe what you wrote above, and we should count the amount of trophy won not consider the VALUE of the trophies, then many other players are greater than Maradona, Pele or Zidane, and not only Messi.

teekrackz: @Rudy smith, This is a forum to have fun nd learn new things nt to insult! Gudluck to u, I wish u well!

If you make no sense in your post, and me calling you for it is insulting to you, then so be it. Come up with something valid to say or keep quiet, if you don't want people to point out that you are making no sense!

teekrackz: Messi: (singn) I wanna show all haters love this goals are 4 u, lyk gud morning hate.., hate.., hate..., hater!. If Messi has 200 haters he can dedicate at least two goals to each of them! And also dedicate 50 awards of his achievements nd records he broke to the top 50 haters!

If common sense was freely given in markets around the world, you would still lack in that dept with such childish statement. If you have nothing to say, go read a book or something, and let people who have a valid argument come and present their case.

thegoodjoehunt: So his performance in the World Cup doesn't count. Do you think Aljazeera and Sky paying him millions of pounds yearly are fools?

What has his commentary job got to do with footbal skills and greatness? the guy needs a job and got one because he was a football player and can talk good. here is a clue do you think anyone would remember Saeed Al Owairan?

I didn't say Gary Lineker is one of the greatest of all time. I said one of football greats. Ruud Gullit is,Souness is, Trevor Francis is. They are not among the greatest.

and again, what do we care what this guy think of Messi? do you know how many think the opposite? should we now believe that Messi is the greatest simply because GL said he was?! i guess GL is now the authority on football greatness, woah!

Marco Van Basten never won the World Cup, will you say he isn't among football greatest players? What about Johan Cruyff he didn't win the world cup, so will you say I shouldn't mention his name?

These players were very good just like the Messi/C. Ronaldo of today, they did great in their clubs and poorly at international level. These guys can never be compared with the likes of Pele, Maradona, Zidane etc.....This is why we still think of Pele/Maradona as the greatest today (20/30yrs later) while the ones you mentionned are barely remembered when talking about football greatest!

thegoodjoehunt:
What is run out of argument. Pls Maradona has only one world Cup, one U20 world cup(78), one UEFA cup and Two serie A titles. Those are the ones memorable to me. You wanna try Messi?

Again, you are going around in circles trying to make these BS trophies that Messi won as relevant here. You just hit the nail on your own coffin, listing the very little (but very important) trophies Maradona won and being named THE GREATEST, while Messi is winning all these BS trophies and still is struggling to be considered the greatest.
There is no doubt that Maradona is one of the greatest, as for Messi, the judge is still out.

If we should not be intimate then the lady must give me a very good reason why not, as we all know that being intimate is good for bonding etc

thegoodjoehunt:
Maradona has not had the kind of performance in the Champions league that Messi has had like the night against Arsenal. That is quality not quantity.

Performance? ahahahahahaha I guess you ran out of arguments.
Performance is subjective to whoever watched the match, and we cannot argue on that as it would be a very long discussion. The only thing that matters in football is RESULTS, and this is why we don't care if Maradona scored a hand goal or not

thegoodjoehunt:
I am saying R9 found the World Cup easy but found the Serie A and Chapions League difficult. He never won the Champions League but he is a football great. Why should a player dominating the Champions League not be a football great.

the above mentionned won trophies at club level and at international level, and Messi (who only shines at Barca) can NEVER be compared with the likes of Ronaldo, at least not yet.

Secondly Lineker was two times the almighty World Cup top Goal scorer and he is not a football great. Are you serious? Remember he scored a hattrick for Barca against Real Madrid. Very few have achieved that in Football.

I repeat, Gary lineker could have scored all the hat tricks in the world, and yet it doesn't matter if he didn't win the damn tournaments!
So again, since he didnt win sh.it at international level, he cannot/shouldn't be considered football greatest. His record is not only poor but also a joke compared to the people we are discussing here.