pansophist:
In every area of society, your past matters, but somehow, women wants to change the game where it suits them.

Want to get a loan? or be promoted in your job? , how about assuming a political office, or even applied for upper level degree, your past qualifications and financial behavior matters.

Peter Obi is enjoying good pr because his past as governor in anambra matters. We can't say the same for other candidates. You play by this rule by default, so why change it?

If a man's future matters to a woman, then a woman's past matters to a man. ladies, I have one question for you.

So you met Mr perfect, as in, an antichrist with 666 under his belt (six packs, six feet tall, six figure salary). You confirm from your pastor if he is mr right, but the response was bad. You confirm from pastor number two.

Then your pastor told you that in two years time after marriage, he will loose his job, bank will take back the house, and you guys will be so poor, that a refugee from Somalia would be like Otedola to you guys.

Will you continue? Answer honestly. Of course not, the marriage can go to hell. I've asked many women this question in person and they all told me no. Fork the marriage. So his future matters right? But somehow, your past doesn't matter. You want to be God, who make and change the rule as it favours you. Nonsense.

And a woman's past matters to men for one simple reason, and it's that your past will be the reference you'll use to compare him with. If he buy Android phone for you, you compare him with your ex who proposed with iPhone 14 pro max.

Men are in competition with a woman's past, hear it from a man, and not from all those Instagram rubbish you guys listen to about relationship. To men, your past is like a dagger under his belly, and the dirtier it is, the sharper it feels.

No matter what he does, it would seems like he is just scratching the surface. This dynamic is well-documented in the Tom and Jerry Episode titled "Blue cats blue".please watch it and tell me it's a lie.

So your past is important to a man, just as a man's future is important to you, and for a valid reason. You don't want to suffer as a woman, so no irresponsible man.

A man also don't want his effort to be in vain, so he doesn't want a woman with a bad past that renders his effort either sexually, financially, and lifestyle unappreciated.

Lots of women saying there are no good men to marry actually mean that they do not want a man without a good future. You've profiled the men interested in you as broke, and imagine being in a two rooms apartment with him, then you reject him.

So you're basically playing the game you don't want men to play. You judge his future, but hates when he judges your past. How about not have a dirty past instead of expecting men to ignore it? Is prevention not better than cure again?

But if men do the same thing with your past, you see it as mysogyny, patriarchy, and any woke nonsense you can conjure. Sexual liberation abi? There is a price to pay, you are just not aware.

Of course a woman with a bad past can change and be forgiven, I'm not nailing such woman to the cross. But the dynamic at play has to be said. The truth may be bitter, but it will set you free.

Cc. Sagamite

Never take relationship advice from a woman. They will feed you selfish nonsense.

As I said here, they will always argue in a way that favours them.

https://www.nairaland.com/7555050/gradually-becoming-misogynist/4#120654920

I can bet you that this philosophy she shared is for another woman's son, not hers.

Her son must marry the girl with a good past.

Mercisharelove:
Never get upset when you hear about your partner‘s past.what matters is now.

You are together now. This is what counts. Now that he‘s met you. Never let his/her past repeat again.

Help them build a better now which translate into future. Hallelujah.

So, if your son brings in the born-again local street prostitute (that all the men on the street have slept with and pay N8K per cumm) as the girl he wants to marry, you will be happy because that is now her past and she has decided she will not do this anymore in the future?

You will tell your son he is decision is okay and take her as your daugther-in-law?

And then you will help them build a better future?

Please answer.

OLULAW:
OP, to quote you, "Whenever I apply logic to actually understand why they make such opinion, I find out that it's always out of emotion and not logic." This is also true of you because all I can see in your post is generalisation.

The women in my neck of the woods are intelligent, smart, hardworking, caring, innovative, trailblazing and glass-ceiling smashers, traversing offices, floors, and boardrooms previously occupied almost exclusively by men. Maybe, you need to open your eyes or relocate to a better socioeconomic milieu if you're surrounded by cashtrapped women selling their bodies.

Stop talking total nonsense!

I can bet you I know, work with and have dated more smart women that all the women in your "neck of the woods" put together and they are almost all the same in relationships.

The thinking, mentality and stuuuupid arguments they would not give in a workplace environment, they would freely (without any reservation of contrition) engage in producing in their relationships and personal life.

At work, they know they are held accountable for all actions and utterances, hence behave like men. In relationships, they feel entitled to be not accountable, acquiesce to and treated as special.

jaxxy:


I already explained change ur circle doesn't necessarily mean a location or place bt the choice u make on the type of people around u.

1st know how to identify what u want then know how to find it and chose it when u see it and also ignore or reject those u don't want around u.

Presumably the men are no already doing this?

These are not automatic/subconscious approaches in the brain?

These are rocket science in your world?

Your solution is still "find the needle in a haystack with my simpleton approach".

Kobojunkie:
As I previously said....If pressing on the application of rules according to logic appear as obfuscation and diversion to you---- one who pretends to be the more logical being --- I am afraid it can only mean one thing and one thing only.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you a Typical Woman.

Experts in obfuscation, diversion, deviation, going of tangent and conjectures to avoid any logical debate they know they would lose.

Kobojunkie:
1. I see we may have to visit the textbook here to bring some enlightenment to this.
We know the following to be true

■ Women are capable of logical reasoning .... this is a known fact given that women occupy seats in government, society, and industries where logical reasoning — adherence to strict principles of government and rule — is the expectation in those areas. You name any industry possible where men are found, and you will find women are there too, equally thriving.
■ Women are also capable of emotionally dissecting their environments, relationships, work, etc.
There is no one section of women that is able to logically process their situation and another section is only capable of processing situations emotionally.

---

Now to your question "Are women logical or not". The obvious answer given the facts of the world we live in is that women are quite capable of logic and hence are logical when they want to be. Faulty generalization would be the case to conclude that
▪︎ All women are illogical or
▪︎ All women are logical.
Hope you see now why I didn't bother to answer your question as I had expected your logical side to kick in at some point before now.

2. If pressing on the application of rules according to logic appear as obfuscation and diversion to you, the one who pretends to be the more logical being, I am afraid it can only mean one thing and one thing only.

More obfuscation and diversions.

It is a very simple question that can even be answered with even a simple "Yes" or "No" answer. Not the storyland diversions.

Are women logical or not?

Kobojunkie:
That context you claim no make sense. Second, your premise, along with those presented by the Op, and most every other who has stepped in in support of him are all born of flawed reasoning. Reading through the claims made by pretty all of those who claim they are logical in their reasoning, I was able to identity numerous cases here of
▪︎ sweeping generalizations fallacies
▪︎ Faulty Analogies
▪︎ is-ought fallacies
▪︎ No True Scotsman fallacies
▪︎ Affirming a Disjunct fallacies
▪︎ Appeal to Emotion fallacies
▪︎ Slippery slope fallacies
▪︎ False dilemmas
▪︎ Red Herring fallacies
▪︎ Begging the question fallacies
▪︎ Fallacies of inconsistency
▪︎ Ad hominems --- what seems the favorite
▪︎ Strawman fallacies
▪︎ Appeal to ignorance fallacies
....

Fallacies, everywhere you look, mistaken for logical reasoning. We are talking of at least 14 pages of logjcal fallacies offered up as logical reasoning in argument for women supposedly being incapable of logic. I chose to ignore it all because I am used to Nigerians boys pretending to know what they don't have a clue about.

But when I saw a post from an acquaintance from way back when, I had a rethink of sorts. Maybe there is a fact contained in all that hogwash, I thought to myself. But your response left me flat and thoroughly disappointed , I must say.

You are a joker.

So you can type all this and yet not answer the simple question:

Are women logical or not?

You are gaddam proving me right as I stated here.

https://www.nairaland.com/7555050/gradually-becoming-misogynist/5#120655991

Obfuscation and diversion experts.

Farfalla:


Oga Sagamite, You still dey? Last time I checked you had gone on hiatus. I can see you're still "grumpy"?
Do you still live in your council flat in Peckham? 😂
Or have you been deported back to Sagamu?

I was in prison jare!

UK government locked me up for not paying child support for any of 69 children. Dem wan come deport me on top am.

Na all my 200 obese council estate side chics who never born tell the UK Border Force say if dem try am, dem go do a naaked protest at Heathrow Airport and stop all flights.

Na im make dem release me on bail.

Still grumpy though.

Farfalla:

I do remember reading your posts (I operated under a different moniker at the time) and I recall with much amusement how you would handle "cretïns", "fuucktards" and "products of a failed education system". 🤣🤣🤣

While I don't always agree 100% with a few of your submissions, I do admire your perspective on many issues (public governance, management, politics, law, policy-making, history, career, education, etc). There are certain posts I'd come across and I'd be like, "I wonder what Sagamite would have to say about this...".

Awwwn.

Farfalla:

I wasn't even going to be a part of this thread (these type of topics exhaust me) but I thought of giving you a mention to pick your brain on one or two issues (unrelated to the topic). I'd appreciate your opinion(s) on you how you would handle certain situations/people;

1. How would you balance disciplining and loving (without spoiling) an emotionally fragile child (5 years 8 months)?

My opinion when anyone has these rugrats is that you have 2 roles to play:

a) Mother/Father

b) Parent

Many people nowadays do not play both roles and don't know they are two different roles.

When being a mother/father, you are there to love and provide for a child. Show them care, provide what they need in life, joke & smile with them and make them feel generally catered for.

When you are being a parent, it is when you do the job of making and building them to be able to grow up and function effectively in society. This when you show them the ropes and the norms, just like other animals show their young ones the ropes and the norms of survival. You need to be stern, or even harsh if needs be, to ensure they are equipped and equiping themselves to be competent adults and valued members of society. Not a fcking liability, cry-baby, entitled mentality and iiidiots that think the world should revolve around them. Life is a story of challenges and struggles for all animals.

Hollywood have damaged a generation to the point most people in the West, and some of the affluent in Third World, are only doing (a) nowadays. In the UK and USA, I can just see the damage with the useless Woke kids, with fragile sensitivities and who have a need for "safe spaces". Parenting has failed. China will overtake them in the coming years.

As for your specific question, a child of about 6 years. I think it is a highly trainable age. You need to ensure you show them love at this age and less of smacking (Note: I did not say "No smacking", I just said less of). Smacking should be last resort after repeated advice and warnings.

Establish your authority and ensure you are building the following:

i) The child feels loved.

ii) The child respects you.

iii) The child fears disappointing you.

Most yeye modern parents focus mainly on only (i)

An emotionally fragile child is unlikely to be one that highly misbehaves in my opinion (the child no be the young version of Sagamite ), so the child is likely to want to please and get validation. Emotionally fragile kids need less smacking and more speaking to. They are not stone-hearted kids like I was that might be more susceptible to smacking.

Ensure you communicate with the child frequently, aka speak to him/her and let him/her speak, correct the child and let the child know you will be disappointed with some things and consequently he/she will not get your validation. And when the child does the right thing, give the child a decent (not too much) validation as a sign of approval.

A lot of talk is important. Talk about life and the right behaviours at different opportunities in the house, the car or at venues.

Farfalla:

2. How would you generally handle a catty/toxic person who deliberately wants to be in your space for the sole purpose of ruining your peace of mind? Particularly if they are your relatives (so they feel you wouldn't dare cut off your blood) or people with whom you share mutual acquaintances.

Your responses to the above questions will be highly appreciated.

The bolded is where we are different. I don't know any of my blood that reallly thinks I can not and will not cut them off.

They know I am nice, jovial but I don't take shiiit. They have even said it to my face at family gatherings. So they know.

If I can cut Jesu/Mo and God off, I can cut anyone off.

So, my advice is to cut the person off if your perspective is completely the truth.

Another thing you need to consider is what is wrong with such a person. There are some things wrong with people that is not clear to the eye at first sight.

I suggest you read about Borderline Personality Disorder. People with such a disorder behave like that, so that family member might need awareness and therapy.

Kobojunkie:
I don't follow! How are women able to adequately occupy positions of logic in industries, and society if they are not capable of logically reasoning their surroundings and existence?

Help me understand the context of your question.

Seems you are struggling with knowing what "context" is.

The context to the "question" is that women tend to argue illogically, not that are not in positions in logic industries. I don't know where the hell you pulled that out from.

The premise is based on comparisons. Women tend to argue illogically more than and in comparison to men, hence woman are illogical.

Are women logical or not?

Or you are still struggling with the logic?

jaxxy:


So because I said that u compared income to a relationship?

How did u arrive at 5m per month to compare? why not 20m per month?

These are things that are very different in achieving because of the process and time involved and getting a good relationship is easier because u can find different categories and classes or partners or girls.

Earnings 5m per month in a recession is obviously not same as finding a good partner.

yes both are accessible bt not same process and time frame which changes the probability rate.

Hard, difficult bt doable especially if u know how.

You are dimwitted!

You made a stuuuupid statement about how the solution to a complex problem is to just "change the circle of girls" one is around.

Now, when you are challenged on the stuuupiid solution, you resorted to making fooolish logical assertions to back it up.

One of the logical assertions is that "because such girls are accessible and available, then they must be easy and simple to find".

The thing about logic is that it is universal!

So I decided to test your foooolish logic by giving you another thing that is also "accessible and available" to see how you can teach us how "easy and simple" it too is to find.

It is a simple logical test.

When I tell una say una dey poorly educated, una go think say na insult. Your brain is poorly developed and things are above its capacity.

VeryWickedSimp:
You are 35 claiming 21. They put you on training regime and diet for 21 year olds and you couldn't handle it.

Karma.

You are a cretinous wild animal.

jaxxy:



Comparing finding a good girl to earning 5m per month? That's ludicrous.

Seek and u shall find bt 1st u need to know what ure looking for snd how to identify it.

Then know if ure qualified for what u are looking for also. Do u have the right attributes?

These things are relatively easy if u know how to do it.

I applied your logic.

Or is N5m inaccessible and unavailable income level in Nigeria?

By your logic, are things that are not inaccessible and unavailable not "simple" to get?

Kobojunkie:
I am more interested in reading at least one of the facts which you claim the OP revealed.

That is he essense of his write-up.

You don't think that is a fact?

Are women logical or not?

Supersymetry:

If you don't know common facts about humans and as little as this, it means that you have not learned enough to argue with me, you should be reading/studding/researching to improve ur knowledge instead.

Most of you claim women are illogical but can't list the illogical things they do that men don't,
only talking about discussion, of which men and women have different values and target goal. Even one of the females goal is also to emotionally blackmail u, so clearly they know what they are doing which means logic.

You are a cretinous fuuktard!

So you can waffle about anything, but yet cannot provide the "scientific reports" you claimed?

Braindead iiidiots will be talking like if they have something to contribute.

jaxxy:


Lol, when things are in minority it doesn't mean they are inaccessible or unavailable. U just have to look for the right things or know how to choose.

Good girls pass by u every other day bt u will obviously see the bad ones easily. They have their trademarks. know them and look out for them. Dont be a dickhead. Enjoy

You are a cretinous fuuktard!

When cretinnous fuuktard start struggling, they start looking for strawmans to build and attack.

Where did I say they were inaccessible or unavailable?

I asked your dumbass to tell us how to access them or make it available, since you seem to think it is simple and it is just about "changing the circle of girls" one mixes with.

Cretins and simplistic solutions to complex situations.

Oya, tell us na.

Tell us how to find the good girls in the midst of a sea of bad ones.

Einstein of stupidity, while you are at it, also telll us how someone in Nigeria can make N5m per month.

Abi that income for the minority is not accessible and available in Nigeria too; and if it is, it surely must be simple too according to your fuuctard brains, abi?

Supersymetry:


Lazy man, the studies are on the internet, but because you were busy chasing women up and down and watching football, you missed it, when it was published, the internet is ur guide, as for emotional it's almost the same for both gender but manifest in different ways but for intelligence women are more intelligent on average.

So why don't you bring a scientific prove that men are more logical or intelligent on average, your cognitive biases will always prevent you from seeing the complete reality.

You are a cretinous fuuktard!

The same fooolish tactics of fuuktards.

I am the one supposed to go and look for and present your "scientific reports" that YOU saw and read?

Ori e daru!

Supersymetry:


Same with men mostly sex, football, politics , politics is like a type of gossiping,

The thing is that women view the world from their frame of reference, same with men.

Huh?

Mo ti ri fuuktard o! (I don see fuuktard o!)

I am really good at fuuktard-spotting.

jaxxy:


dunce I already answered u. Change ur circle means change the type of girls u associate or keep around u.

I'm not talking about a location or a setting I'm talking about ur personal choices and preference.

it's pretty simple.

You are a creeetin!

So your grammar was bad?

So how do you find this girls when a vast majority are like that?

How do you find needle in a haystack and what value is the effort?

Look at the creetin saying "it's pretty simple".

Complex things appear "pretty simple" to reeetards (just like black leaders). Then when they have to manage complexities, you see how they mess it up after applying their "simple solution" because in their fooolish minds "Ah, o easy gan ni. It is very pretty simples ni".

Supersymetry:


Logic and hight are not related, have you considered comparing things like, intelligency etc, infact many scientific studies indicates that men are more emotional than women on average and also lesser intelligent than women on average.

Some men claim to be logical but makes illogical decisions, women understands women, men understands men, but not the other way around, hence the reason for confusion. But you can't come out of your cognitive bias because you are illogical or not logical enough.

Ehen!

E mi o logical lo so? (I am not logical is what you state)

Kaa bo! (Welcome)

Oya, provide me with your scientific studies that indicate:

1) Men are more emotional than women on average
2) Men are lesser intelligent (sic) than women on average

Oya, sharp sharp. Go bring am.

jaxxy:


u are a dunce. I'm sorry to say.

I have given u a proper response and advice. There are girls doing great things out there. If u want to sit in ur box and cry that's ur problem.

I know these type of girls are in the minority bt they are out there.

You are a cretinous person!

I asked you a simple question. Answer foooool!

Is there a location/setting where objective and logical women gather?

Tell us the place.

Kobojunkie:
Name one fact he stated.

Do you think women are logical?

kushme:


Sagamite baba, one of the greatest here. I dey happy to read from you...

That guy na biatch to women and NA( Nigerian Army). The guy sabi support our Military even if they're wrong.. Na pvssy Niccur..

Hey, man.

He sounded like a fcking fuuktard and I am an expert in spotting these fcktards, man.

shaybebaby:

Saggyazz, except you have tradesmen knowledge and skills, you have nothing to impart that is of relevance to me.

All this noise up there, you don't like women, don't respect , blah blah blah, that's your problem not mine. Your life, your choices! Eff all to do with me.

Hmmmm!

Shaybebaby, you are refusing to learn?

pansophist:


Everything you said should be true, but not everything truthful should be said. Voltaire

It should be said when it is very bad and the perpetrators, instead of improving, are living in delusions and engaging in misandry.

jaxxy:


I think ure really foolish ir stupid.

So u mean to tell me all girls in the planet are thesame and all bad?

or u think subjugating and insulting women makes u more of a man? If so u must be deluded.

I told him change the circle or type of girls he associates with because I know for a fact there are good ones. I have seen all types bt I have also seen good ones that are wonderful Humanbeings better than some of my guy friends in behaviour and values.

Get out of ur little shell or box and look properly.

You are a creetin!

Your lack of intelligence is demonstrated in your solution.

Your solution of "Change the circle of girls u are around".

Is there a location/setting where objective and logical women gather?

Tell us the place.

Foolish people give and implement foolish solutions, which them makes their lives and society unproductive and shitholes. We have many of you in Nigeria.

joyousever:
You should also note that generalising women as illogical or senseless is a mere fallacy! Some are damn intellectually alert while some aren't. And same goes to your gender! I'm sapiosexual and I tend to easily get bored with unintelligent conversations or people who can't hold sensible conversations. But that doesn't mean the 'dull" ones should be regarded as sub-- humans or denigrated.

Darling, what part of your English dictionary explained to you that when someone says "majority", he is saying there is no population (aka "some" that are excluded?

Secondly, where did I call anyone "sub-humans"? You love to use conjectures and strawmans as a point?

Rayban25:


You dont need to answer them...when women cant counter a fact they begin to use shaming tactics which is their only card to escape responsibility and accuntability

Very well said!

Analyst7:


Lol I like ur point but I feel the reason men are outraged currently is because women are currently trying to displace men nature with that feminism of a thing, men have put up with a lot of things since the beginning of time, but currently women are trying to play this power game like they’re the victims, when truly men are

Very well said!

KlausMichaelson:


Lols this is the funniest random mentions I am getting here, hence the need to reply you. I have been expecting this kind of comment and I was too sure it will come from your gender.

In my dealings with women so far so good as an adult, I don't let emotion overpower my thinking faculty. And at such, there is no attachment whatsoever I can possibly have with a girl. I might show you care and everything you so much deserve but I am not attached to you. This is so because, you could dump on me the next day or I may do so to you too. But then, nothing comes out of it. I will still move and you will move on too as simple as that. But woe unto you if you were really attached to me emotionally as the case will most likely be.

I just can't help it, try as I might; there is never an emotional attachment. I just hope you get the point.

I know you won't, but just try.

She is just using SIGN language like almost all women.

Later, she will claim she is "different".

Viicfuntop:
Lol.



It seems you have only shallow women or this “ senseless” group in your circle, so it’s actually impossible to see women beyond that. I mean you only meet stupid women. Have you ever asked yourself why stupid women feel very comfortable with you? They probably see you on the same level with them

So you think majority of women are stupid, shallow and part of a "senseless" group?

jaxxy:
Change the circle of girls u are around. There are sensible girls out there also.

You sound like a woman.

This is the kind of foooolish response they will give when you highlight women's misdoings to them.

Are you a biatch or just a biatch to women?

saphiere:
You are probably being dumped by a lady. This is what happens when a lady dumps a man. They think otherwise of the female gender.

You'll be fine soon.

Another stuuuuupid SIGN language instead of enquiring and learning.

Later they will end up old, damaged and lonely, but yet be blaming the world but themselves.