denex:

@nwando

I beg to differ on your American definition of "poor". Maybe you were describing the average poor person on Beverly Hills. Because poor people in the USA can't afford even food, let alone a house.

And like I said before, I had an accident last night. My hand is really hurt, I no fit type but all the same, make una relax small. Poor people in the USA can hardly afford clothes. Abi you haven't heard of Detroit. My cousin shot a lot of footage on the lives and sufferings of people living in different parts of Detroit, and believe me, when the documentary is complete and people see it, they will cry and you will see African countries start sending aid to Detroit. What I saw was really deplorable sha.

Anyway, y'all take care. I don't have the strength or even the good health to argue.

this guy you are a big time joker. Abi you go Abuja com de confuse am with Yankee.

People in america cant afford food?

People play with food in the U.S. Even new immigrants


The average 9yr old kid walking on the streets in the U.S eats more than 100 pounds of chicken a year.
The average 9yr old nigerian does not even eat 2 pound a year

Use your tongue to count your teeth b/4 u come out and spew bull here

some people here are delusional

trying to compare the US and Naija

Trying to compare Aeroplane with Okada abi gwongworo


omo make una go siddon jare

a lil bit off topic

@Wesleyan A

i find it a lil absured, considering you have always decleared yourself a feminist, that you are so much against Moslems "mordenizing" and blaming the west for trying to change their way of thinking

You seem to forget that women in the west also had their place iin society not too long ago and the feminists were the ones demanding for a change in the western way of life. Whats wrong with applying the same principle that feminists have always advocated to the Islamic world?

besides gabrielgb

Forza Milan, Forza Carlo, Forza Pirlo and Forza Kaka


ive been a milan fan for over 10 years now

Are you registered in any Milan forums? They are fun. Holla if you need links to them


Milan da greatest

gabrielgb

Thanks man

i laugh so hard whenever people say

who is the best coach in the world Wenger or Fergie

Hitzfield, Lippi, Capello, Sacchi, Ancelotti and Del Bosque have trophy laden careers

Even newbies JM, Benitez, Rijkard have as much success in europe as the almighty SAF and more than Wenger

what a joke by the embassy

unfortunately its not even funny

@poster

u are beautiful, educated, a virgin, 26 and you have a full time job right

but all men want from you is sex right

something is not right with ur story or somthing around you is not right

if u are really all the above then you probably need to change your story and reedit the plot

unless you think people on nairaland are fools and want to waste their time talking trash

@CrazyKid


see ur naija mentality

how about flooging and brutalizing all men that have had sex b/4. That would also reduce the rate of having sex.

Naija men and blaming women 4 everything sha.

TV01:

Peresumably to quote this

1 Corinthians 14:34 - Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says

Paul even mentioned that the same standard was what God established even in ancient Israel. The standard was one from creation

And divine standards do not change, Jesus maintained that same standard in chosing those who would serve as overseers in the congregation and so did the early apostles, but the gospel of Pilgrim obviously disagrees and wants the bible to say only the things she wants to hear.

She does not want to hear that God fearing women who walked with Jesus and who were in the First century understood what the will of God was for women in his arraingment  and complied with it and never aggitated against it.

She does not want to hear that Paul revealed God's will when he said on different occasions that in no Congregation of TRUE worshippers of God would a woman ever exercise authority over a man.
She wants to hear the gospel of pilgrim and claim that Deborah relating God's will to a man who now lead an expedition was support to her point . She now claims that Presbuteros (after confirming the word can be used to refer to older people or people in position, or infact many other uses) also always refered to Women Overseers  .

Why i ended my participation in this debate was clear. This was not a secular debate. If you claim to use the bible as your standard, stick to it even when you don't agree with certain things

Sis Pilgrim was only intrested in hearing what she wanted to hear. (Godly subjection however works differently and the First Century Christians understood this)

@Spoilt

I try to be fair to all but i gotta tell you this

The sexual drive of a man is quite different from that of a woman and it makes them intune to act differently (when they dont apply self control)


I dont see Millions of women in each country streaming out at night to meet a total stranger standing in the dark corner who could be infected with all kinds of diseases and probably high on drugs and alcohol and pay them their hard earned money and immediately drop their panties for the stranger to start using their tongue and their mouth on their genitals ands immediately jump on them.

But thats exactly what millions of men in each and most countries do everyday when they go out at night to get a Mouth Action or get sex.

I dislike polygamy, but i doubt womens sex drive operate in the same way as that of a man. Femnists say that to argue that men and women are the same on all counts, ignoring hormonal and biological differences which definately put the different sexes in tune to act differently.

So No, women dont have the same propensity to promiscuity as a man would have.(I should think)

ThiefOfHearts:

Tanna makes me want to projectile vomit on her shoes.

@ Thief

Now my dear why would you want to do that

so can we have a list made

Some argue that its advantageous, others say it is not

For and against, Merits and demerits etc (along sex (Male/female lines)


LETS SEE THE PRO AND ANTI POLYGAMY BRIGADES SLUG IT OUT

Ok

Imagine this


A strange man smoking in the dark alley probably high on alcohol and drugs.

Would any of the ladies immediately pay him to have sex with her and jump on him immediately. Probably not

But thats exactly what Men who number into millions and uncountable millions do each night when they pick up women who are prostitutes. The very strong desire to sow their seeds is a basic instinct of males and that unfortunately expresses itself in different forms.

So it should hardly be a suprise that in a dominant patriachal culture, men should want to have many women (without any sinister aims)

@babyosisi

Hmnnn I thought i had answered this question on another thread

Minus religious and disease restrictions, the natural male instinct is to have sex with as much desirable women as possible. End of story. Self control becomes the countering factor


Women think of sex and commitment going hand in hand. Men are completely different

@babyosisi

You know our culture (and most cultures) dont see anything wrong with a man sleeping around

for the most part women desire sex in stable relationships

on the other hand

our culture reflects the male view of sex

save for religious reasons, or fear of diseases, a man's instinct is to have sex with as much desirable women as possible.

One of my friends once said that

He dislikes divorced women because they have been used and have been at another man's beck and call.

He says a woman has no reason to get divorced irrespective of the circumstances because no man wants a woman who has been used and worn out by another man.

I was like

Is he right?

@poster and crazy kid


You dont have a right to tell a woman who is not your underaged daughter what she should wear

I want to promote christian values

I am excluding all those practising idolatry from attending my school

AND YES THAT INCLUDES MOSLEMS


I bet some people who support convenants stance would be stunned by this

But that is proving the point i made earlier


When providing PUBLIC EDUCATION, you do not use your personal beliefs as policy

some people are hopeless.

A bridge collapsed in the United States, so what??

Considering that there are 600,000 bridges in the United States while the only ONE bridge that connects eastern Nigeria with all other parts might soon collapse and nothing is beign done about it.

And those bashing the United States.

Considering that Thieves can rob all the banks in a city in Nigeria from 9am-5pm and any time they want to, Considering that dead bodies of Nigerians litter the roads and cook under the sun and tribalism and issues too numerous to mention

You guyz need to get a life

And those guyz cursing Oprah saying she is a barren witch

Watch your words, it might come back and hunt and hurt you

When your sister, daughter, cousin or neiece does not have a child, other men would say exactly the same thing about her

Just shows how pathetic this thread is

Is it not ironic that the same people who are crying for Oprah's head for generalisation turn around and say that ALL those who are scammed are because they are lazy ?

Where are the Femnists

Oya Weselyn A reply

I once told a westerner about Juju and he asked
If Juju was real why

1 Has non of it been independently verified

2 Things like bullet bouncing off people not recorded in like say guinness book of records

3 How come it never works in front of foreigners

4 Blood money does it produce real or fake dollars?

5 How come people who for eg want to harm Pres Bush cant get Juju to work for them since i said it could be used to harm people

6 how come Africa does not use it to get rich

7 How many sports games does African nations do well in and why dont they use it to cast spell on other nations

8 How was the white man able to pillage Africa and no harm came to them

9 How come the military in nations in Africa dont use it to stand up militarily to western nations

10 What proof of juju do you have





i  remember only these ones for now but i must admit i was like  

Nigerians are pathetic

Eating all kinds of garbage thrown at the masses.

Let them try this kind of nonsense in the States



A persons personal beliefs cannot be used to stop others from getting an education.

Whats next

Igbos have a tendency towards criminality and should not be allowed on campus

I posted one last week i think, but looks like Seun deleted it


A man in that one blamed not circumsising women for the present state of society and concluded it by beign hypocritic and saying he wanted a circumsised woman as a wife and one not circumsised as a mistress . He says making love to the uncircumsised woman is better coz she responds but he still wants his wife circumsised

Copied from Vanguard


http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/columns/human/ha31072007.html


David, (45), a banker revealed that he was planning to take his two-year old daughter for circumcision at the end of the year. He explains why, and gives insight into some methods used in the olden days to keep the chastity of young girls. Read on:

The level of development of girls is so advanced that they are capable of doing things that their parents can’t even imagine. A friend of mine is dating one secondary school girl on the side because he has a girlfriend he intends to marry whom we all know. He is a divorcee. He told us that the girl is better in bed than his fiancé. The way this girl dresses alone is enough to convince you that she must be something else. And to make matters worse, she was the one that threw herself at him by force. And my friend said he was forced to accept her advances so that she will not ridicule him among her peers in the neighbourhood. And just when he thought he would just take her to bed a couple of times and dump her, he is the one that is doing the chasing around now.

The other day, three young girls were discussing at the back of my window at home. The oldest of them couldn’t have been more than 14-15 years. I was shocked at what was coming out of these children’s mouths. Two of them were trying to persuade the third on the need to allow herself to be deflowered at barely twelve years. That it is no longer fashionable to be a virgin and that when other young girls discover, they will make fun of her, and call her a bush girl. Can you imagine that?
Recently in our neighbourhood, a 17-year- old girl just gave birth to a baby for their Mallam. We heard through gossips of course, that the girl had been engaged in sexual activities right from age eight. Her teacher was their houseboy who lived with them for nine years.

According to the story, the girl confessed that the houseboy used to do it with her every blessed (or is it cursed) day. Immediately he left, she descended on the gate man because she could not hold her desires anymore. The family I’m talking about is a very rich one, in fact, the father is a celebrity of sort. These are people we used to look at as being above board with the hope that one will be like them some day. You can imagine the disgrace she has brought to the family, because she has had the gate man’s baby. Naturally, the man has been sent packing, but that doesn’t erase the fact that the baby is his own. It is a matter of time before the man will return for his child.

This is why I think that apart from teaching them how to keep one’s self-respect, there is need for a kind of precautionary measure to be put in place. That was why I wanted to go and have her circumcised, but now that I am better enlightened about the health implications, I will not do it again. I don’t have a clear cut idea what I will do yet, but there are other methods available.

In the olden days, there were other methods that were used on young girls to ensure they were not messed up before marriage too. It included the use of juju and since that too has its own demerits and it’s not even advisable in this day and age, I still don’t know yet. But I know that I will not go for circumcision again.

Can you explain some of these methods? The methods? I can’t say all of them, but I know of the one that they will put padlock in place, not physically. The padlock will be kept somewhere, and it’s actual mission is to stop anything entering the young girl. Until the padlock is unlocked by the parents or those who know about it, the girl remains a virgin. Another is to wear beads or cord around her waist, some call it Bebedi. I think it is now in vogue again among ladies. You see the beads peeping out of their waist bands when they wear skirts or a pair of trousers. Some even have bebedi made from gold or other expensive trinkets. But the bebedi I’m talking about is not like these ones.

This one is medicinal, it has mystical powers. While the girl is wearing it, nobody can get there unless he knows the password to break it. There is a very good motive behind most of the things our forefathers did. You know that such a method can help in the prevention of rape in the society now that the thing is so rampant and women are always so helpless. To make matters worse, it is difficult so seek redress for rape. I know that personally, I will just kill anybody that does that to my daughter, unless she can not identify the person or people. So, you see that this circumcision thing too must have its own merits.

In essence, what I’m trying to say is that there are immense benefits in the culture and traditions of our people, it is because we do not take time to examine them that we end up with all these mix ups. The western ideas have bastardised everything and this is not good. Even the people we are copying have their own cultures and traditions and they are not going to condemn them for our sake.

I would prefer a situation where we will sift the good from the bad and make use of the good ones in this modern times. This circumcision thing we have talked about now is very good, at least health wise.

Now that I know it has grave health implications, I can decide that I will not do it for my daughter. But there is nothing wrong in the other two or three examples I have explained to you. Nobody will get hurt as long as they obey the rules. But, people will shy away from it because they say it is juju, it is archaic and it is against religious practices.

Well, what do we then expect from a society that is not being guided by any rules, there are no checks to stop people from doing evil, or immoral acts. And these are the reasons why the crime rate in the western world are so high. Once you commit a crime and luck shines on you such that you are not caught, you can get away with even murder. And even when you are caught, they take you to the courts where the court processes can take eternity. At the end of the day, the culprit may still walk away free. So, where are the checks and balances.

There is nothing one can say right now that you will not have something negative to say about it. So I will just keep quiet. Honestly, I will not seek the circumcision alternative again. I have told you, there are other methods one can use to make sure that a girl child stays clean and pure until her wedding night. I will still be searching for the right one to adopt for my daughter.

Siji (54), a businessman says it is unheard of where he comes from. He has this to say:
Female circumcision is done almost in all cultures, but where I come from, they do not circumcise women. The Ijebus do not circumcise their women. Just as it is unheard of in some cultures that a woman is not circumcised, so it is unheard of in Ijebuland that you should circumcise women. Perhaps, that is why people say derogatory things about the chastity of Ijebu women. They say the Ijebu woman is wayward and can’t be satisfied by one man.

Some say that any man who marries an Ijebu woman becomes her slave. They even say that the Ijebus have a lot of mystical powers, that they use them for their female children to succeed in their marriages. But this is not so because they forget that the Ijebu community also comprises of men. why would any sane thinking group of people, empower its women to oppress the men? Or are they saying that Ijebu women don’t marry Ijebu men? These are all lies. Any Ijebu woman who does not know how to entertain and care for her man is not a true Ijebu woman. And the same goes for the Ijebu man. They are more like their Lagos counterpart in terms of social life. They love to party and just live good generally. So, no one will take kindly to acts that will affect the peace of mind and enjoyment of the other person. Perhaps, that is why Ijebu people do not circumcise their daughters. And if they do so in some parts of Ijebu land, I ma yet to hear of it.

So what is your take on the practice of circumcision? Naturally, the un-circumcised women are better than circumcised ones. I have read that there is something special about the power of the clitoris. God knows why He put it there. If it is not good, He would not have placed it there and in such a position too. So, personally, I think it is good. I am pleased with myself and my woman when we ake love and I am able to satisfy her. What is the joy of making love if the woman will not enjoy it? It is as if you are raping the woman. And if she is not responding to my efforts, I get turned off.

Personally, I don’t like frigid women, they deflate a man’s ego. Many of them just lie down there waiting for you to finish the job, and I can tell you from experience that there is no enjoyment in that. That is why I am always amused when I hear stories about men forcing or intimidating women into sexual affairs. How do you go to bed with a women who has no feelings for you? Something must be wrong with either of them. But because human beings are complex creatures, for the man, the instinct to subdue the female may be overwhelming. For me, I don’t like it. I am Ijebu, my wife is Ijebu, so my children cannot be circumcised.

Where are the Femnists on this topic


And guys do you know what

Thinking about it, whoever told African Men that a Virgin was the best thing that could happen to them? Meeting one could turn out to be a nightmare in a man's life. Her virginity has nothing to do with who she would turn out to be as a person. After 10 seconds and she is no longer a virgin she could still make your life a misery all the days of your life and send you to an early grave if you married the wrong person.
By then you would be wishing you never ran into her

ThiefOfHearts:

Hopefully they both end up "disvirgin-ing" you with a spiky Love Machine up your rear.

At thief, this is one of the funniest things ive heard all month

and from a neutral standpoint

@Weslyn A, Micheline and other Femnists

THERE IS NO EQUALITY IN THE WEST (unlike what most believe). WHAT YOU HAVE ARE IDEAS AND LAWS BASED ON PATRIACHACY

I don't think there is equality in nature or any culture for that matter when it comes to the matter of the sexes.
I think nature made the sexes complementary not competitors. One sex is more suited to certain things and the other sex more suited to others.


Infact, feminism in itself looks like it does have harmful effects to women.


The above is  a hypothesis. Ask me and il tell you why it could be so.

I want to ask these questions with an open mind

Why is it that Females who want equality with Men (esp the femnists) still on a general level (ie there are exceptions)

1 Want a man that is bigger in size than them (Non seems to want a man they are bigger/Taller than or eqaul to in size )

2 Generally prefer a man with a bigger bank account than them.
etc etc