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Politics / Re: 8 Groups That Made Up Lagos Indigene And Their Locations by scholes0(m): 4:50pm On Sep 11 |
Biodun556: Doesn't matter. There is no large ethnicity in the world today that doesn't have a few people from other places. Those people are for all intents and purposes 100% Yoruba today. Only people pursuing a fruitless agenda will be stressing a single ancestor or two who came from a non Yoruba place over 400 years ago over their dozens of Yoruba ancestors in this 2024. 32 Likes 3 Shares |
Politics / Re: 8 Groups That Made Up Lagos Indigene And Their Locations by scholes0(m): 4:46pm On Sep 11 |
As of today, there are no Binis or Nupes in Lagos because the few Benins or Nupes who came to the Lagos area haave already long assimilated into the larger Yoruba environment, becoming practically Yoruba themselves. They have fought wars and bled for Yoruba interests. Nobody sees them as anything but Yoruba except for mischievious 5th columnists. It makes no single sense to still be calling someone with a single Benin or Nupe ancestor from the 1500s or 1600s a Benin person today, especially not when said persons have several dozens of Yoruba ancestors in their lineage/blood. If we are to go by the same standard, then their so called Benin ancestor might actually be Yoruba, since so many of them actually have their roots in Ife dating to the period of intense Yoruba influence east of the Ose (ovia) river. 35 Likes 5 Shares |
Culture / Re: Precolonial View Of Tribes And Languages: The "Delta Igbo" Debate by scholes0(m): 9:10pm On Aug 18 |
JAWBONE: Care to elaborate? Which kingship system is that? 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Precolonial View Of Tribes And Languages: The "Delta Igbo" Debate by scholes0(m): 9:38pm On Aug 17 |
RedboneSmith: Too many examples. Nupe (Niger) / Bassa Nge, Kakanda (Kogi) / Kupa (Kogi, Niger) / Koro (FCT) Idoma (Benue) / Alago (Nassarawa) / Agatu (Nassarawa, Benue) / Yala (Cross River) / Igede (Benue) Ebira (Kogi Central) / Igbira (Kogi, Kogi East, Nassarawa) / Etuno (Edo) Atyap (Kaduna, Plateau) / Bajju (Kaduna) / Agworok (Kaduna) The Ijoid groups like the Kalabari, Okrika, Izon, are somewhere in-between both positions and have sucessfully been able to consolidate. Infact, their effort at consolidation has been so successful that they have been able to bring in so many non Ijaw groups into their union. On the other end, the Ogoni subgroups of Tai, Eleme and Gokana seem to be doing the opposite. Previously consolidated but beginning to move or drift apart over time due to whatever reasons. 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Protesters overwhelm Security Operatives, Block Abuja-Kaduna Highway by scholes0(m): 1:00pm On Aug 01 |
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Politics / Re: Google Adds Tiv, Kanuri And Fulani To It Translation Services. by scholes0(m): 11:18pm On Jul 16 |
No new language from Southern Nigeria. Continue losing your languages to pidgin o, you hear? 8 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Google Adds Tiv, Kanuri And Fulani To It Translation Services. by scholes0(m): 11:12pm On Jul 16 |
In Google's Translation services biggest expansion ever, they have now added 110 new languages from around the world, bringing the total number of languages they offer translation services in to 243 different tongues from around the globe, coming close to doubling the number of languages it handles since their last time of expansion back in 2022 when it added 24 new languages. Of these new languages added, three more Nigerian languages make the list (Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo had since been added since 2014). These new Nigerian languages are: Tiv Kanuri Fulani (Fulfulde) https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/27/24186223/google-translate-110-new-languages 4 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The ILAJE People Of Ondo State(history, Fact, Culture) by scholes0(m): 8:34pm On Jul 10 |
rexbuton: I said their music shares a similar musical cadence with the Binis, I never said their origin was Benin or that they were Bini. |
Politics / Re: BIGGER NORTH Smaller South by scholes0(m): 3:46pm On May 23 |
DMerciful: What happened that led to the emergence of a Fulani Emir in Ilorin was an internal coup, not a pitched battle. And like I said earlier, the Yorubas stopped the Jihadists advance in the west when they defeated the Fulanis at the battle of Osogbo. The Yorubas were on the cusp of marching on Ilorin itself when the british arrived and brought back the Emir who had fled the city after several years of living in fear and whose powers had been practically dismantled by the powerful Baloguns. The British did this in order to facilitate indirect rule through a single political figurehead (The Emir AKA Oba Ilorin) 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Politics / Re: BIGGER NORTH Smaller South by scholes0(m): 4:19am On May 23 |
DMerciful: It was the Yorubas of Ibadan that stopped the Jihad on the western flank, not the British. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Top Five Largest Ethnicities In The North West by scholes0(m): 9:10pm On Apr 19 |
garfield1: Maybe you misunderstood the question I asked. Fuanis do not dominate Taraba state. They are minorities there. Even in Jalingo. Their highest concentrations are in the Gashaka, Lau, Gassol and Karim Lamido, which are all already multiethnic areas. Again which states do Fulanis dominate where they do not produce governor? 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Top Five Largest Ethnicities In The North West by scholes0(m): 7:40pm On Apr 19 |
garfield1: How do Fulanis dominate Taraba? looool There is no state Fulanis dominante where they do not consistently emerge as the state governors. Give one example if it exists. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Top Five Largest Ethnicities In The North West by scholes0(m): 8:55pm On Apr 18 |
FiftyFifty: Yauri, Darazo, Ibbi etc are not Fulani words. Also, that some of those local governments were named after Fulani people or words from Fulfulde does not necessarily mean that the fulanis are the majority demographic in them. Case in point is Sardauna which is dominated by the Mambilla with the Fulanis there being a minority. Virtually all the places you have listed are highly multi ethnic and diverse. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Top Five Largest Ethnicities In The North West by scholes0(m): 8:28pm On Apr 18 |
Gbagyi is Kaduna and Zamfara, not Kebbi. |
Culture / Re: Ownership Crisis: Igodomigodo Asks Oba Of Benin To Return To Ile-ife by scholes0(m): 11:02pm On Apr 07 |
tollyboy5: Political name given to SouthWest people kill you. When did 'Southwest people' start being a real thing? Olodo. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: Ownership Crisis: Igodomigodo Asks Oba Of Benin To Return To Ile-ife by scholes0(m): 11:38am On Apr 07 |
tollyboy5: Just talking rubbish which confidence. Bini itself na almost 50% Yoruba ancestrally. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: See The Most Built Up States In Nigeria. by scholes0(m): 5:43am On Mar 31 |
Slytiger: Beneficiary, not benefactor. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: See The Most Built Up States In Nigeria. by scholes0(m): 5:35am On Mar 31 |
Ogene001: Ibadan might be surrounded by bush, but when measured, the area of Ibadan's built up landscape alone will swallow thousands of square kilometers of medium density vilage sprawl typical of the SE landscape. The advantage to the Yoruba settlement pattern is also that they have ample virgin land to embark of novel mega projects closer to their city cores without displacing too many people in the countryside; like the brand new ring road infrastructure that is currently being built to encircle the whole of Ibadan or the Ibadan dry port unlike the East where such developers would suffer to find large continuous tracts of land free of human 'obstructions' by way of villages and might eventually have to resort to moving very far away from the intended service area of the project.... 4 Likes |
Politics / Re: See The Most Built Up States In Nigeria. by scholes0(m): 5:10am On Mar 31 |
Ogene001: Who told you Gombe is small? Gombe is small in the North, not in the south. Bayelsa is swamp normally and is extremely hard to build up. As for Ekiti, it is on the list. So are you saying it is more developed than the FCT which isn't on the list? 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: See The Most Built Up States In Nigeria. by scholes0(m): 6:46pm On Mar 30 |
Just a fancy word for Population density. The smaller states will naturally be more compact. But by the time you do the math, you will see that the SW is the most urbanized zone in Nigeria by miles, with the largest total area of built up zones. You can see that all the states there are mostly the smaller states except Ogun state whose population has already surpassed 10 million by now, pushing it into the list. 17 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 8:47am On Mar 18 |
Udazi: Read this. Learn to follow thread contents before quoting ppl pls. Your Italian-French analogy only proves the point. High degree of lexical similarity but difficulty in two way communication because of various other linguistic factors. scholes0: 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 6:58pm On Mar 11 |
oyatz: You are comparing two things that are within the same set (SE Yoruba and NW Yoruba) to something that is not within their set and is in a different set all together, (Edo language). SE Yoruba native speakers can not understand ordinary 'come' in Edo language. You can do broad based analysis, but your initial remark was way off vis-a-vis the two language groups. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 3:01pm On Mar 11 |
oyatz: Exactly. But not just as a result of empire alone. The grammar and sound inventory of Edo is actually said to be reduced compared to the Northern Edoid languages like Ososo or Weppa Wanno as a result of migratory denudation. 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:59pm On Mar 11 |
oyatz: Yoruba language includes the Southeast Yoruba dialects. The main difference between Oyo dialects and their SE counterparts is mostly that the Central and SE dialects are more conservative and have a stronger archaic (original) inventory as compared to Oyo which has a simpler structure and is less conservative. Edo on the other hand is a different language all together. You can't be putting Edo and SE Yoruba in the same bracket as if they were the same thing and then comparing both to Oyo. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:47am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Read this part, I added it after. Can they (Esan and Benin) communicate smoothly apart from Igueben people? scholes0: 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:44am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: But you know Usen's case is unique compared to these examples. These ones learned Ika and Ndokwa respectively because of proximity. Usen people speak a Yoruba dialect because of both ancestry and proximity. And that is why even though their history points to Ife, their dialect is closer to an eastern Yoruba dialect like Ikale or Idanre, and not a central dialect like Ife. Because the Eastern Yoruba and the Edos became their immediate neighbours over time, so they picked up both dialects. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:34am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: While this may be true though, lexical similarity is just one factor that determines mutual comprehensibility. There are also things like language structure/grammar/arrangement, evolved divergent tones and inflections, speed of speech, use or lack thereof originally universal terms that are retained or dropped etc. What is the real life experience of people (native speakers of these languages) trying to understand the other will be the real determinant of how much they can communicate. Linguistics for example say Igala and central Yoruba are share about 60% lexical similarity. in practical terms however, I doubt a Lagosian can even understand one third (35%) of Igala. But if Benins and Esans do actually understand 91% of one another IRL, then surely both languages and even identities should have since merged into one. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:11am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Sure, they are al Edoid languages. |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:06am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Are we not in this Nigeria? Those who want to use it as agenda will surely use it. I still heard at least 3 Esans call Olumide "That Yoruba guy from Edo south" today alone and what I am saying is that it completely makes sense why they would refer to him as such. If someones name is Shola Elawure or Abiodun Okpeseyi from Usen, is he a Yoruba or Benin man? 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:02am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Well, in truth the Owan dialects are actually more like a continuum. Some parts are closer to Esan, some parts like Warrake and Ivbiaro are closer to Yekhee and they understand Auchi more than they do their fellow 'Owans'. Some like Otuo and Ikhin are their own thing entirely with plenty Yoruba loan words. Luleha is more central. But don't comletely discount that linguistic appraisal that the Edoid languages actually originated in the North and streamed downwards. Even Yoruboid is the same. The dialects closer to the Niger-Benue confluence are older than the ones in the interior south west. 1 Like 1 Share |
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