Konquest:

That's an impressive feedback.

Indeed the Asante Empire conquerred the GUAN (also called Gonja). The name Gonja is actually a Hausa-derived name meaning "Goron ja" or "red kolanut"... Which is one of the commodities that the Guan traders engaged in selling and there was a trade linkage with the Hausaland and Northern Ghana.
Thanks again for shedding more light on the Guan group who I had always known by the more popular name of Gonja.

Not quite true.
The word Gonja is a mispronunciation of what the Gonja call themselves , The Gbanja of Gbanya. Yes, Kolanut trade settled upon this region for much of the West African middle ages and that is why the kind of kola originally gotten from there (2 lobed Kola) is still called Obi Gbanja by the Yoruba (Who also participated in this criss-cross West African trade) till today. Obi Gbanja and Obi Abata, the two popular Kolanut types.

Hausa would most often mispronounce the "Gb" phoneme which they lack as [Gw] not as [Go]. Case in point, the Hausa call the Gbari/Gbagyi people 'Gwari', not 'Gari''. In the same line, [Kp] becomes [Kw] e.g Akpoto becomes Kwoto. (Egbira Akpoto = Ebira Kwoto in Hausa) The Yoruba word 'Pana-pana' (pronounced; Kpana -Kpana) becomes Kwana-Kwana. Etc. An Hausa mispronunciation would have called them Gwanja and not Gonja.

Gonja is not a derivation of an Hausa word, although I wouldn't be surprised if some gonja people themselves have accepted this false premise. Many Gonjas speak Hausa already.

Konquest:

How's it going @Scholes0?

I actually read from a couple of sources on the day I landed on this thread directly from the Google first page that the Akan (which is the collective name for several groups of people such as the Asante, Fante, Akuapem, Nzima, etc) are the first of all the modern-Ghana groups to arrive and that is why the "KAN" in AKAN means FIRST. So, I thought the Kan root is quite similar to OKAN meaning ONE or FIRST in Yoruba language. The Akan and the Yoruba ethnicities belong to the same Kwa language group.

I'll look up the information you gave here regardless and I appreciate your perspective because it's always good to fact-check all information we come across online and offline.

Have a great year ahead!


UPDATE:
Indeed, I've studiously checked a number of sources online and the GUAN people (who are a minority group in Ghana) are considered the first group to settle in modern Ghana just like you said. On the other hand, the root word "Kan" is derived from the Twi-Akan dialect of the Akan which means FIRST.

Dankwa (Danquah) I think was the first Akan man to espouse and add an actual academic touch to the 'first' or 'foremost' etymology for the word Akan, which previously has just been folk etymology. The Akan are the speakers of the languages based majorly on and around the Tano river, they share certain cultural similarities to varied degrees. They can be majorly subdivided into the Akan proper mostly based in Ghana and the Bia cluster mostly based in Ivory Coast around the Bia river.The Bia only share limited similarities with the Akan proper.

The Gonja people of central and northern Ghana who have ben heavily influenced by Islamic sahelian cultures such as Manding and Hausa are actually Guan. The Guan people still have connections with the Akan (both are still Tano languages). And yes, the number 1 is actually Okun, or Akon or Akan or a variant of it in all these languages.

Ahanta - Okun
Jwira-pepesa - Ko
Larteh (Guan) - Kon
Seehwi - Kun
Anyin (CIV) - Ekun
Gonja - Akon
Asante (Twi) - 1 (Baako), 1st (kan)

Etc Etc.

Konquest:

True that.

Funnily I found out than Akan is derived from Kan which means FIRST (i.e., the first group of folks to arrive in modern Ghana). Okan is means ONE in Yoruba language.

AKWABA means "welcome" in Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire and EKAABO means "welcome" in Yoruba as well. The similarity is uncanny but then Yoruba descendants in the Ga region did have trade interactions with the Akan folks (Asante, Fante, Akwuapim, etc) right from centuries back.

Naah, this is wrong. The Akans are not the first group of people in modern Ghana, the Guans are.

CONGRATULATIONS NIGERIA.!!
We did it...

Udo and Usen are very ancient communities that are of an Independent origin.

They deserve to have independent status.

Also in Yoruba

God - Orisha
Thunder - Apaara
Stone - Oko
Water - Omi
Mother - Iye
Father - Ọba
Sun - Orunrun
Moon - Oshu
Head - Eriwo (Eri)
Rain - Eji
Light - Itanna
Lord - Olu
Rock - Ọta
Human - Ọni
House - Ile
Man - Ọkonrin
Woman - Obinrin
Goat - Ikeregbe
Cockerel - Akuko

Guyman01:

He is Fulani and his jurisdiction is Bida, Nupes in Pategi and Lafiagi don't recognise him, they used the influence of Sokoto to make him head of Niger State traditional council and also put Pategi in Kwara State during states creation by the military dominated by Yorubas and made the indigenous Etsu kingdom a minority

So shouldn't the Nupechizhi of Patigi count themselves lucky then in that case?
Would they have preferred to be under the Etsu Bida in Niger state rather?

Unperturbedpota:


Full Afrikaans 8s the internationally recognised language for Africa, idiot

Open yellow teeth say "Afrikaans 8s the internationally recognised language for Africa"
So, it is no longer the language of the Zulus? Ode Olodo.

Unperturbedpota:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

This tribe and propaganda!!!!

No be this same USA I dey?. Funny thing is you see them call the Igbos chest beaters but these guys always look for anything any anyOne says about Yoruba and are quick to popularize it even when the person is just trolling or totally insignificant 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Do you know how many foreign languages and cultures are propagated in tech daily ? Afrikaans is the number one recognized language from African continent globally yet you don't see the Zulus dancing that the white man has recodnized them 🤣🤣

I am sure the Nairaland tribe chiefs will be dancing to this mediocre news. This nigga using you all to troll

There is no where Yoruba is recodnized specifically. I live in the US and have family in the UK .

The UK metro police started employing Yoruba speakers solely for the number of crimes commited by Yoruba speaking people in the UK so they wanted to be able to intercept and decode the calls . Because these criminals use yoruba only to speak on the phone in texts and in emails so the UK metro police had to find a way to intercept this. But here they are dancing as if it's a positive reason they are employed😂😂😂😂

Don't believe me, contact the UK metropolice help desk ! This info is available to the public. Yorubas are profiled in the UK as the number 1 tribe that commits all cyber crime from Nigeria.
Reno is just exposing it all, we all know. At one point it was the Jamaicans. Go to Peckham and Kent na Yoruba gangs full there 🤣🤣

Same way Italia police employ people who speak Esan in Palermo doesnt make my mum's people the main culture in Italy

Which Nigerian here in America won't tell yoú the truth that the Yoruba run gangs here?. They steal cars everyday and ship to Nigeria, na their work ! Plus Account hacking, Credit card fraud , identify theft that's what they do here in America mostly . They work with the Asians and are masters of all manner of tax frauds and such. The American police whenever they arrest Nigerian involved in fraud assume 100% you are yoruba . Facts only

OLODO
So Afrikaans is now the Language of Zulus. Illiterates everywhere on this forum.

Okada691:
understand that the Bini local government in Edo state are the biggest in the state both rural and urban. All available statistics shows that Orhiowmon is about 3 times the size of Igueben numerically and Orhiowmon as a local government is at most 17 ika, therefore the Bini part of Orhiowmon are at the least two and a half times the size of igueben local government. Mind you Orhiowmon is a totally rural local government.

Oredo is hundred percent Bini,

Egor is hundred percent Bini.

Uhuwonde is 95 percent Bini

Ovia south west is 75 % Bini. The Bini part of this lga will just be about the same size with Esan south east



Ovia north east is 90 percent Bini. The capital Okada is a Bini town and no Esan town except Ekpoma and Uromi is numerically stronger than it. Okada was estimated to be 78 thousand inhabitants in 2011, it is about 100,000 or more today roughly being the same size with Irrua town in Esan central local government. In that Esan central local government, you have just irrua and Ewu. Ewu will just be half the size of irrua.

But in Ovia north east, you also have Ekiadolor which is also close to the population of Okada and Other hundreds of Bini communities. Local government are not all the same size bro. They are like states,

The rural Bini will just be about the same size numerically with the entire Esan land or more not counting the Binis now who are not residents in their communities but in Benin City

Ikpoba Okha is also 95 percent Bini,there are ten wards in ikpoba okha, and its only in ologbo ward that you can find Ijaw and itsekiri communities alongside with the Bini communities there.

Is this Ologbo wth a different account?

Ebubu3:


It’s funny how you fraudulently lie and claim Ijaw indigenouship in many states across Nigeria but fight against Igbo claims of Igbo indigenouship in many States across Nigeria

I was starting to trust your opinion but now see through your two-face.

Which two face are you talking about? Go back to the other thread, I mistook another group (Agbo) with the Isobo that was being discussed. Besides, in this particular thread, the argument is not about the presence of Ijaws in Edo state but rather their population size.

RedboneSmith:


I am almost convinced it is Osopong that you're mistaking for Isobo.

Isobo language or dialect (I really don't care which it is called) is as incomprehensible to the central Igbo speaker as Ezza, Ikwo, Izhi and Mgbo is incomprehensible to the central Ìgbò speaker.

An Ikwo person and an Isobo person can communicate with minimal difficulties. In fact, their traditions state that they are an extension of Ikwo across the Enyim River (i.e., Cross River). Isobo language is demonstrably part of the Abakaliki linguistic cluster within the Igbo linguistic family.

Nobody argues about this connection. Not even the Isobo themselves. Like I said, you're probably confusing them with Osopong people.

Actually it is the Agbo people I was confusing them with, not the Osopong, but the Osopong on the West bank of the cross have similar morphology too but are Mbembe, you are right.

RedboneSmith:


Did you say slight influence?

The entire language is very clearly the same Ìgbò variant as that spoken by the Ezza-Ikwo-Izhi. The entire language. Of course with influence from Upper Cross River languages.

Isobo are not Mbembe. I don't know where you got that from. They have a Facebook page where they share elements of their language and culture from time to time. And the ones among them that I have interacted with identify with the larger Ìgbò family.

Most of their village wards have clearly cross-river like sounding Usomotong-esque names.. Their so called dialect is barely comprehensible to an average Igbo speaker if at all. Even to many 'Ebonyians'. So yes, it is indeed lateral acculturation.

Ebubu3:
so you’re saying Ebonyi and Upper cross river groups have inter-twined history and married together and that’s why Ebonyi Igbo is UNLIKE central igbo?

Yes, to a good degree.
Read Adiele Afigbo's work circa 1987 titled "The Igbos and their neighbours" You will understand why the Isobo are not igbo but Mbembe that were pushed to the left bank of the cross river.

Ebubu3:
what does this mean?

The remnant of the upper cross river groups in Ebonyi that were not absorbed by the Mgbo, Ikwo, Ezaa and Izhi. That's what it means.
They are especially very numerous in Ikwo local government.

Ologbo147:
what do you think the population of the Ijaws are in Edo state and why, given the fact that they obviously have the most sparsely populated communities in Edo State. How do you juxtapose it with the fact that the first three largest communities in the lga are Bini speaking in that order of Iguobazuwa , Udo, Usen. The combination of these three towns at the very least would not be less than 110 thousand. There are still other three Bini wards which contains multiple tens of Benin communities which includes iguoriakhi etc when you juxtapose these side by side, it certainly is not in Ijaws favor

Bros the truth is that Ijaws are significant in ovia SW. That was why I was telling you to forget that ward talk.
There are sizable villages of Ijaw extraction in that local government, and the Ijaws multiply at exceptional rates.

There is:
Ajakurama
Ofunama
Okomu Ijo
Gbelekanga
Inikorogha
Abere
Jamagie
Izide
Kolobo
Safarogbo
Binidogha
Ofineyege
Gbelebu
Asamara

Joint ijaw and Ikale (Yoruba) villages
Madagbayu
Abiala
Gbelemotin Oke
Gbelemotin Odo
Kekere

Ijaws are significant in Edo state, it isn't like they have just one or two communities and naught. Infact, the only difference between Ijaws in Ondo and Edo state is that the Ones in Ondo state managed to get and dominate a local government to themselves when they were separated from Ilaje to be on their own, while the ones in Edo are balkanized in 3, making them minorities in each one. All the ijaw villages in Ovia SW and Ovia NE can actually together be a local government.

Ebubu3:


Isobo people are in Ikwo Local Government Ebonyi State and are officially recognised as indigenous to Ikwo Local Government Area, Ebonyi state.

Are you trying to tell me there are Cross River people in Ikwo Local Government, Ebonyi state?

There are Cross river groups scattered in Ebonyi state. The Igbo migration northeastwards from the Awka-Orlu and Nsukka Igbo heartlands met them there and absorbed most of them. Those that were not completely absorbed completely to remain in pockets across Ebonyi.

Ologbo147:
when it comes to Bini history, language and people, you are clearly ignorant my brother

Of all time, of all time on culture section, go and read from these men,

Physicsqed
Ogbuefi11
Redbonesmith
Scholes0- I added scholes0 because of the knowledge of the mappings of Benin kingdom and Edo people, scholes0 seem to know Edo state more than his Ondo state, i don’t necessarily agree with him on his Yoruba affiliation of the Bini monarchy, and he is also very open minded and perhaps the most intelligent Yoruba on Bini and Edo matters
Deadlytruth does not have much work on Bini, but his work on Akoko Edo is very explicit and would educate you

I did not add much Binis so you will not see me as parochial

Benin monarchy is actually Ife paternally and Egor maternally.

Isobo people are not igbos. People should stop spreading what is obviously a fallacy.

They are Mbembe people with slight influence from Ezaa and Izhi due to contact.

Ologbo147:
Ijaw have just three wards out of the ten wards in Ovia south west and cannot even have up to thirty percent of the population of this lga because they have sparsely populated communities.

Iguobazuwa alone with two wards was 21 thousand in 1991, today it is well over 55 thousand, Udo is a single ward but it is the largest single ward there, as at the beginning of this millennium, it was estimated to be 15,000. Today it should be around the 40,000 mark. Then you have Usen, Iguoriakhi, and three other wards in Ovia south west

So the Ijaws does not really come close as it pertains to population ratio in Ovia south west

Abudu, Iguobazuwa and Okada are Bini towns on that list. Though Okada has grown significantly larger than the others because of the university at Okada, estimated to have 78 thousand as at 2011

It is not by number of wards. That is just politics.

A developer has got to develop.
Crime propensity is 70% DNA (Nature) and 30% Nurture.

Simbrixton:
oba Erejuwa the second wife was actually from egbetta this is the first Olu that married bini woman

Egbeta are not even Binis historically.
They are Yoruba people that were Edonised.

Simbrixton:
oba Erejuwa the second wife was actually from egbetta this is the first Olu that married bini woman

Egbeta are not Binis historically.
They are Yoruba people that were Edonised.

This Edo Akure man, Yoruba-Benin fraud want to come and defraud Ivbi Edo.
Anyways, Edo governorship is the turn of EBHO ESAN aka Edo central no matter what anybody says.

Olorun Olodumare is God.
Thst is what Yorubas worship.
You can never see any Yoruba telling you that Ogun is God.

All these divinities you listed are Orisha (Roughly Saints or should I say Prophets?) while Imalẹ are roughly like Angels .
They are not God.

AdaFonju:
Pidgin english originated from the niger delta as a means to communicate with the british who traded with various Ijaw kingdoms, thats why its structure is Subject Object Verb like the Ijaw language, as the creole language spread it started incorporating words from other native languages to become a lingua franca in Nigeria

Here are some words
Na- it is , from Ijaw Na bologha- it isn't far
Yori yori- Ijaw fine and clean
Nyanga- Ijaw (nyongo)- to swing freely from side to side, to make gyne(i dont think dis is an english word)
The Ijaw language uses words twice for adjectives
Kele kele- small small (Ijaw)
Pata pata- the largest eg Oga patapata the biggest boss
Jaga jaga- (jaka jaka) rough, irregular, not uniformed (Ijaw)
Orobo- (orubo) big or grown woman (Ijaw)
Kurusu- canon (Ijaw)
Most sea food items
Esam, ngolo, ikoro, mgbe, afari- Pewerinkle, gastropod shellfish, shellfish, oyster, sardines (Ijaw)

Patapata is Yoruba.
Jagajaga as well. Although we may not have a 100% claim on this one as it is just an onomatopoeia and not an actual word, so, it might be shared among various groups.

Na in pidgin is from English Now. That's why even in pidgin you will still hear people pronounce it as "Nau", and others as "Naa"
Give me nau/Give me naa. Same thing.

SosoKairanuli:



Kuku and kuku maa are not Yoruba. The way it's used in Pidgin suggests it comes from Ijaw/Urhobo/Isoko languages. In Ijaw, “kuku” is used to say “quick” or “just” which matches the way it's used in Pidgin. Your explanation of the Yoruba meaning doesn't even fit or make sense. Tbh, I wish you people would stop blindly claiming everything is Yoruba (or another big three tribe). Especially since we already know most Pidgin words come from South South. If something sounds similar to you, it's probably because Nigerian languages use the same sounds. Stop erasing minority cultures and contributions.

Most pidgin words came from south south since when?
Anyways maybe in your neck of the woods it does because there is no "Nigerian pidgin" per say but a mosaic of collective pidgins.

Kuku that I know is straight from the Yoruba Language.
"Kuku pa mi" - Just kill me already. (Yoruba)
"Make you kuku do am" - Just do it already. (Pidgin)

The way people write whatever they so please on this app , eeeh!

Swift11:
The people of magongo are not Yoruba we don’t share a Yoruba culture our people know that we stayed with idoma some years ago being related to them
You can’t find up to 10 people in magongo or speaks or understands yoruba

What does kecha mean in Yoruba?
What does ishomaro mean in Yoruba?
What does arumega mean in Yoruba
What does Eba mean in Yoruba
What does osibina mean in Yoruba?

My aunty told me that we are said to have migrated from ile Ife but it might not be true and if we are to do a proper research we would fall under idoma or edo

As we speak osayen
We don’t marry other than edo/ogori/delta/idoma
And edo and idoma refer to magongo people as brothers

Lmao

Christistruth02:


The Ga and Ewe of Togo Ghana and Benin Republic are Akan Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry

They are all called Egun by the Yorubas and include the Egun of Badagry

Ga and Ewe people are NOT Akan speakers.
In Ghana, they are separate and on their own thing.

This is true.
In fact this is what they even teach all the Ghanaian kids in their schools.