Swashy4:


KEEP YOUR PERSONAL HISTORY IN YOUR POCKET. EVEN YOUR VILLAGE HISTORY,YOU CAN SWALLOW IT. BUT YOU CANT TELL ME MINE.
UWC.

I won't be surprised if you are one of the quarrelling parties in that village.
lol

Swashy4:



WELL ARGUING WITH A YORUBA MAN WON'T PRODUCE ANY POSITIVE RESULT

IF YOU LIKE GO TO ALL THE SITES WRITTEN BY YOUR FELLOW TOWNS MEN,IT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE ODINANIS ARE PROUDLY ANIOMA AND PROUDLY IGBO. WE SHARE NO RELATIONSHIP AND NEVER WILL ACCEPT A YORUBA IDENTITY.

Yen yen yen.....
You can be anything you like now, nobody cares, I can be British next year if I want to - but history will always be history. it will always be on record that so so and so British family came from Nigeria around so so period.
Ndo.

Swashy4:



YOU ARE NOT MAKING A POINT. THE FIRST RULERS WERE WARRIORS THAT WERE SENT BY THE OBA TO CAPTURE THE IGBOS OF UGBODU,BUT ON GETTING THERE DECIDED TO SETTLE AND RULE THEM. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIER TENURE THE EDOS TOOK OVER FOR A SHORT WHILE BEFORE THE IGBOS RECLAIMED THE THRONE. THIS IS EVEN NOT PECULIAR TO UGBODU,BUT THE WHOLE OF ANIOMA. EVEN THE LIST OF THE FIRST RULERS WAS MANIPULATED ITS NOT THAT LONG AND OBVIOUSLY NOT CIMPLETELY TRUE. SO WHY DID THE NAMES CHANGE TO EDO AND THEN BACK TO IGBO ...MAYBE THE WARRIORS GAVE THIER CHILDREN EDO NAMES,AND THE EDOS GAVE THIER CHILDREN IGBO NAMES

THE STOOL OF THE KING OF UGBODU IS FOR THE OBI. ANY OTHER KING COMES WITH HIS OWN TITTLE JUST LIKE THIS PRESENT 1. SO FIND SOMWWHERE ELSE TO POKE UR NOSE INTO .

EVEN THE HEAD OF ODINANI CLAN ,UKWUNZU,THE KING USES ONLY OBI.

AND BY THE WAY,OBI IS IGBO.....YOU CAN TAKE UR ARGUMENT ABT IT BEING BINI TO A DUNCE.

Obi is Igbo of course, but the origin is Benin. Otherwise you would have to show communities outside of Anioma and closely related communities where the Ezes bear Obi as the title.
Your cooked up explanation does not explain what is shown in the attached picture one bit. Your argument is like saying because the rulers of Issele Uku were Ogies as first before they became Obis, then the town's monarchy didn't come from benin. Mr Ochei it is clear that you are making things up along the way. But kwantinuuu

Ti Ugbodu han, oluku mi.

Swashy4:

......
....OLOZA IS JUST FOR THIS PRESENT KING. THE PREVIOUS ONES USED OBI. IT IS OBI THAT IS EVEN RECOGNISED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND NOT OLOZA . YOU ARE A YORUBA MAN,SO I EXPECT NOTHING DIFFERENT. THE NAME AYO WAS CRESTED ON HIM DURING HIS CORONATION,BECAUSE THEY FELT HE NEEDED AND OLUKUMI NAME,AS THE DISPLACED OBI WAS PURELY IBO AND THOSE WHO FELT THEY WERE BETTER OF BILINGUAL AND PLAYED ALONG WITH POLITICS BUT STILL THE NAME ON THE ROYAL THRONE REMAINS IGBO WHICH IS ISINYEMEZE. AYO IS INCONSEQUENTIAL STILL COZ ITS JUST A FIRST NAME .

More history twisting.



That Kings in Kaduna state are called Emirs or gazetted as such in the state's own official documents don't mean they are all emirs, a lot of things can emanate from common parlance based on predominant surrounding language, or language of common communication. The first Kings of Ugbodu were never Obis, so I wonder how your claim that igbos were part of the foundation of the town and that Obi was the original title even holds any water.
Besides, even the title "Obi" can arguably be traced to Benin and not Igbo..

In your myopicness you fail to realize that the fact that I used the foremost personality in Ugbodu (The Oloza) bearing a Yoruba name is just a point I am trying to make, which obviously went over your brain.
There are several other people from Ugbodu who not only have Yoruba or yoruba sounding first names BUT last names as well. But well, they are not from Ugbodu according to you, They must all be infiltrators and pretenders who changed their names last week to cause trouble.

Swashy4:


I AM FROM UGBODU,IGWISI ,IDUMU OKPO QTRS AND I KNOW MY HISTORY. EVEN THE STOOL OF UGBODU IS TITTLED THE OBI STOOL AS OFFICIALLY RECOGNISED BY THE DELTA STATE GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN CONFIRM WITH THE JUST CONCLUDED COURT CASE OVER THE RIGHTFUL OBI OF THE KINGDOM. ALL THE CINCIOUSLY MANIPULATION AND DEDUCTION OF HISTORY IS DUE TO GREED AND POLITICS. WE IN UGBODU WHO ARE WELL INFORMED KNOW. SO IF U DON'T BELIEVE,ITS NOT MY BUSINESS,AS YOU CANT TELL ME MY HISTORY AND CONVINCE ME TO BE YORUBA. I AM PROUDLY IGBO FROM UGBODU IN ANIOMA,DELTA STATE. AND I DONT HAVE ANYTHING THO AGAINST THE YORUBAS.

Then I guess your Obi (or maybe it is the deposed one) was suffering from a serious delusion by bearing Ayo as first name. Did he sleepwalk into choosing a Yoruba name?

The original title of the kingshio isn't Obi but OLOZA. I won't argue with you. That it is called obi popularly now is a result of neighborhood effects as well. I don't care if you have anything or everything against the yorubas, Your headache.
But the Yoruba ancestry of Olukumis of Delta state is more of repository / history book material now than anything else.

Itsekiris are close to a million and speak a full unmistakably Yoruboid language as well as being contiguous with Yorubaland, but have you ever seen any Yoruba forcefully coercing them into being Yorubas against their wish? So I wonder what will make you think anyone is interested in kidnapping your village people because an historical thread was opened about them.

Delusions.

Swashy4:




VERY GOOD,SO KEEP US OUT OF YOUR MOUTH THEN,ITS GOOD FOR YOUR FRIEND THAT YOU CANT REMEMBER HIS VILLAGE TOO. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE ,THEY WERE ALREADY IGBOS IN UGBODU BEFORE THE WARRIORS FROM AKURE ARRIVED. PART OF THOSE IGBOS FROM UGBODU AND UKWUNZU FORMED UBULUBU WHICH IS SOLEY IGBO SPEAKING.

WE ARE PROUDLY ANIOMA,AND I AM PROUDLY IGBO ,FROM UGBODU,IGWISI,IDUMU OKPO QUTRS IN ANIOMA.

You can twist history as much as you want to suit your wishes but the people of Ugbodu, Ukwu Nzu and the rest started speaking Enuani because of acculturation and not some founder population effect. Just the same way the people of Ebu now speak more igbo than they speak their native Igala.
It is even evidenced by the fact that Ukwu Nzu wasn't even known as Ukwu Nzu until recently the town had a previous Yoruba name. Like seriously, all Olukumis are they up to 50k? I highly doubt.

There are numerous far more important towns in Anioma that nobody has ever heard about, so be thankful whenever anyone ever gets the opportunity to even know what Ugbodu is because based on her unique history.

You can rant as much as you want here, but thankfully I have done my own research and have spoken to people from Ugbodu, even here on nairaland no one has ever come up with your version of events including the few Ugbodu born respondents who have shown once or twice.
Nobody is asking Olukumis to own up to being yoruba, that is their business.... But you can not ask me what to keep in my mouth or out of it, as you are a nobody on this open / free source public forum. Peace.

Swashy4:



UGBODU IS AN IGBO WORD,ODINANI IS IGBO. THE YORUBAS CAN NEVER EVER CLAIM UGBODU. THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY DO BEST,WHICH IS TALK OP.

lol not to sound insultive, but what is the population of not just Ugbodu but even the whole of olukumis?
Why would you think Yorubas NEED you for anything? What value can you add tho the Yoruba Nation that already has more than 40 subgroups indigenously spanning 4 countries?

There are more Delta Igbos assimilating into Yoruba culture (Intentionally and unintentionally) every year than the whole olukumi population combined, and you are here feeling like one raggamuffin. One of my friends from Ubulu-Uku or there abouts just discarded his Igbo name for a Yoruba one for whatever reasons best known to him, and his new choice name is what his children will also bear.

Don't start feeling too big, because your past Yoruba history has brought your slumbery village into prominence. It is just for historical discourse and tracing patterns of migration of different groups into the "Western Ibo" cultural area. Get over yourself.

JBoleynJatto:


I'm planning on taking African Ancestry DNA, but I wanted to know if anybody had an idea on where the surname was from and if anyone using this surname had an idea.

Most likely Nupe.

JBoleynJatto:
Hi guys. I'm new to this forum and I'm from the UK. My mother is English and my father is Nigerian. My father doesn't really know much about his roots like that. He is an Ishan man from Edo State, Uromi and his surname is Jatto. His father's parents died when he was a child so his father doesn't know much about the generation above him. They don't really know much about where they are from because they grew up in Lagos. When I search up the surname Jatto on Facebook, mostly people from Kwara State, Kogi State and Auchi appear, and they are all Muslims. Jatto also comes up as a name in the Ebira tribe. I also try to find the origin of the surname and it says it's from IRAN. This confuses me also because British records have documents of Jatto people living in the UK as early as 1800s as well as a few Eastern European countries.

This is irrelevant but my father's parents are light skinned and when I delved more into the history of Ishan or Eshan people - they seem to be associated with Portuguese people; could this be why my father's parents are light skinned? I also researched about the Nupe invasion on the Esanland so maybe my father's relatives where from that tribe and settled down there? I'm just wondering if anyone could help me? Thanks.

Take a DNA test half of your issues will be solved.

Eko o ni baje.

Demmzy15:
Stop splashing potopoto on me jor

He is right.

You seem to be more concerned about being a muslim Buhari supporter, or what the infinitesimal amount of muslims among the Igbos think more than you being a Yoruba person first and foremost.
We do not need your type amongst us.

Mayor21:

Lol
what are we?
Larger part of it is ss while the northern part is Se

no. 70% of CRS is SE. 15% is similar to north central lie Tivs of Benue and Taraba peeps. Only coastal Calabar is SS.
So it isn't really SS either.

IloveToMess:

On what ground will an Igbo man ever be jealous of Efo man please tell me, is it Education, manpower, sport, International achievements, Wealth, individuals possessions , what Its just like saying American are jealous of Mexicans. Hmm you get mind sha

Everything..lol

One mumu even said one LG in the East will come and wipe out Edo like Edo are their mates.
Typical chest beating gorillas.... Ebonyi state is still the poorest state in the entire south and one of the poorest in Nigeria afterall.
They can develop "ships that sail on land" but can't bring themselves out of poverty and their four corner retail businesses, lol.

IloveToMess:

Jealous of who please.. Edo? I have really suffered Jealous of hoes, rascals and vagabonds. Chai again i have suffered..

See this frustrated Flesh eating ngwa man talking nonsense.

IloveToMess:

What is this one saying... No part of SS have any link with Edo expect a fragment of Delta state. Thats all. Kill ya self confused slpwpoke.

You will die of Jealousy, Igbo man.... lol

IloveToMess:

Shut up bigger chunk from where while all Edos are from Yorubaland

E pain am!

IloveToMess:

Please floor me with your beheading of human head culture.. I am waiting.

Well, no time, but just know that only Akwa-Cross don't have links to Edo.

IloveToMess:

Okonko is a dance and cultural tradition that is in Akwa ibom and same Okonko is in Abia state.... Whatelse do you need to tell you we are same peeople both SE and SS. Edo have Oba which no other part of Nigeria has except yoruba tribe, why do you want to force yourself on SS.

A good chunk of Abia state are Ibibio-Igbo hybrids. You are right about that one.
But an even bigger chunk of the SS are of Edoid origin. So what say you?

IloveToMess:

Okonko is a dance and cultural tradition that is in Akwa ibom and same Okonko is in Abia state.... Whatelse do you need to tell you we are same peeople both SE and SS. Edo have Oba which no other part of Nigeria has except yoruba tribe, why do you want to force yourself on SS.

Talking about cultural links, Edo will floor you completely, don't even go there.
When others will be talking about tangible culture, you people will be running all over the tread looking for who eats ugba and ties triple wrapper. Lmao.

IloveToMess:

My goodness me! Where are you Edo people getting all this your delusion from. Are you people mad or what. SS is Igboid thats all . Dont make me go deep into that fact.. Edo do not eat Ukwa(breadfruit), Edo do not eat abacha and ugba. But all SS eat all these. My guy dont waste your time, Edo only infiltrated the SS because of Itshekiri of Delta state thats all.

You are talking utter rubbish!
Sounds like a typical beer parlor gist from Oratta West.

IloveToMess:

Edo is not a true SS state. Thats all.

What is a true SS state for fcks sake?
Ppl be talking like primary 2 kids, like SS states are from the same mother..lol

Do you now that only the former Cross River state does not have ethnic groups (tribes) than speak Edoid languages in it in the entire so called SS?

IloveToMess:

SS is Rivers, Bayelsa, Crossriver, Akwaibom and Delta..
QED!

There are 6 states in SS of Nigeria.
This your list is of course the parochial nonsense pulled out of your arse.

IloveToMess:

According to your question, you asked if CrossRiver is REALLY SS. Yes they are and you are NOT.

If CRS is SS, then EDO state is SS.
QED!

...

IloveToMess:

I am Igbo and yes CrossRiver is SS by BLOOD. Edo is not.

How is something SS By blood?
Are you a joker? Is SS a race?

Mayor21:
I'm Cross Riverian
and here we don't see Edo as SS

Is Your cross river even REALLY South-South?

kindlyStfu:
Afonja and noise

Yoruba Gbayi.

IPOB Gboshi.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2718009_nigeria111_jpeg6131ed57053bbe0a34f31eab3a104094

Niice one.

The people of Oke-Ogun / Upper Oyo state are making a killing from the export sales of Cashew nuts abroad.

Ibadan is Popular quite alright.

But the Name Oyo is also quite popular because of Yoruba history and stuff.
Maybe to non-Yorubas sha, because every single Yoruba person knows what Oyo is.
Aba is also more popular than Abia, lol... I Don't know why the capital of Abia state is not in Aba, and then it doesn't even help that both names sound similar.

Truth be told, Nigerian states in general are mostly one city states except a few like Ogun and Anambra. Outside the capitals, everywhere else seem to be absolute crap, so expect the capitals to be more popular than most states.

Then there are some nigerian states that no one hears of, not the state and not the capitals. States like Jigawa, Taraba, Zamfara and Kebbi.
People hear these state names once in a while and are like, are those places still in Nigeria?

Turantula:
Thank God I didn't read it before some people will come for my head. Thank God also that nothing like Igbo was mentioned in the whole article, but before the thread gets to next page some people will start blaming Igbos for their ordeal

Igbo wasn't mentioned, but SOMEHOW you just had to use a very sly technique to bring yourselves into it?

Naajjii:

Where do you get your fact from, yes they can be polygamous but just here and there unlike the Muslims that is a common situation, each wife gets like 6-7 kids times 3 it's 21 kids in a family. For your information Dekina local government is one of the biggest in Nigeria and the most populated in middlebelt aside from FCT. Besides there are Igalas communities in Benue, Anambra, Nassarawa,Enugu.

Yes 21 kids per family happens, but HOW MANY Igala families do actually have 21 kids per family? lol pls be realistic , families with 21 kids are rare exceptions in Igalaland not the norm, infact from the middlebelt onwards to down south.
Dekina LG is not the most populated LG i the middle belt get your facts right.
Off the top of my head, I can already list at least 6 Lgas that are more populated than Dekina LG.

Ilorin West LG
Okene LG
Gboko LG
Makurdi LG
Jos North LG
Jos South LG
Mangu LG
Lafia LG

Some people just cook up imaginary figres within their social and tribal circles and chose to believe it all by themselves.
I repeat Igalas are not more than Tivs or Urhobos.
Igalas can believe whatever they like anyway.