AreaFada2:


One quick correction. Aro and Ero are not same o. They are two different titles in Benin. That Edohen means Odofin is a mere conjecture. Edohen, Oliha, Ero and Eholo are the oldest titles. As old as Ogiso. They are actually village rulers, but now grown to meet Benin. I have read many SW writers' papers and theses with these errors.
Funny that a very good paper published in SW traced Ijesha/Ilesha titles and their origins. It made it clear of their Benin origins. Yet Ife is nearby? Why then?

I don't know if you have both Aro and Ero as separate titles in Benin but in Yorubaland, there is only one Aro.
Odofin is found all over Yorubaland and is not from Benin just setting that straight... It it is not a conjecture, the Odofin title is Odofin in usen and Yorubaland is what you call Edohen. And Usen oral accounts supports this very clearly.
The paper may trace some titles to Benin I am not saying there are no titles in Yorubaland with Benin origin, but not the ones I listed, that's the point.

It is no surprise that many Benin title names actually have their etymologies in the Yoruba language. case in point the Asogbon (Esogban)
, Elukotun/Elukohi of the Ogbe Esasa, the Ariyo (Eriyo), Obajulu (Bazunu), the Asoron (Eson), Asama (Esama) so don't pretend as if influence didn't travel both ways.

But you see that OBA. lol that one is straight out of Yorubaland.

AreaFada2:


Okoro is not lost in Benin o. Every Prince of Benin is called Okoro. You probably have to know more to be sure of these things first.

Crown Prince is Okoro n'Okhua. Okoro meant boy child initially but became Prince. I explained Okoro matter years ago here about how Oba Erediauwa was a student at Government College Ibadan, like 80 years ago. The chat between him and his British teacher. I believe I was replying to your post back then. I know at least 12 families with Okoro surname in Benin.
I still put it to you to show me any evidence of Olu of Warri using Oba title from 1800s. Remember, the Portuguese also documented Olu of Itsekhiri quite well. Show me Oba title in it.

I can tell you at least 20 Yoruba kings that never used Oba title until 100 years ago. Olubadan is one of them. Many were still "Baale". Not even yet king in status. Do you know how many Obas have been created or those elevated as Oba in last 50 years alone in Yorubaland? They all now have Oba title and praise name. It does not take long to be rooted. Just replace "Baale" in proverbs and songs with Oba.

Yes, power of Oba was important before 1897 because rulers in sphere of Benin influence could not just take Oba title like that. I have shown that even Yoruba rulers under Benin influence didn't even use Oba title. One cannot just wake up and use Awujale as a royal title. It is unique. Oba was unique to Edo. While it existed in Yoruba as "King" as some point, it never was individual appellation of a king. In a Western Region Traditional Rulers meeting in Benin in the 1940s, the register of attendees uniquely bore Oba of Benin as only Oba. Others were Ooni, Awujale, Alake, Alafin, etc. He was present but nothing like Oba Adesoji Aderemi was written. It was Ooni of Ife. Today, it would not be complete without writing The Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi.

Titles like Ojomo, Sagwe, Ero, Owangwe, Osere, Bajuaye and Sasere used in parts of Yorubaland now were adopted from Benin's Ezomo. Osague, Ero, Esere, Bazuaye and Iyase. You have them now in Ilesa and most of Eastern Yorubaland. In 100 years, people will swear that they are not from Benin. Even 50 years from now, people will not admit that the titles came from Benin. Others will argue that because they are so widespread in Yorubaland, it must have existed in Yorubaland long before coming to Benin.

But each title has unique story behind it in Benin.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero and Eholo were titles in Benin by 40BC already. Do you have all these titles in all Edoid Delta Aristocracy? You don't believe that some words and positions disappear if not used in separated languages? I know Iyase title exists in many Delta Edoid people but it is fairly young. Iyase was created in about 1255 AD by Oba Ewedo of Benin. The former 4 are way older. Being old doesn't mean all separated languages must have it.

The Benin/Edo Language I used to hear people speak growing up is different from the one I hear now. Never mind after 600 to 700 years of separation from Benin.

Before Oba Olua sent his son to Iwerre in 1480, there was no high-ranking ruler there. How can Oba already documented by Europeans then become less rooted in Benin than in Iwerre?

I write my epistles because of silent readers and posterity.

BTW. Yoruba did not copy - Elema, Aro (which you guys call Ero), Odofin (which you guys call Edohen) from Benin.
They exist as both titles of palace chiefs and that of the powerful Ogboni aristocracy (Iware/Eghare) as well as the Hierarchy within Ifa Orunmila (Awo cadets)

In Ifa for example:
The Odofin is the second ranking Babalawo after the Oluwo
The Aro is the third ranking Babalawo
The Elemo/Agoro is a chief superintendent of the traditional rites

And that is why you will find these titles in both Eastern AND Western Yorubaland. contrary to your submission that the geographical scope of these titles are limited within Yorubaland. You find them all over. In Ikirun, Iwo, Ilesa (which you mentioned), Abeokuta, Ede, Offa, Ketu. Etc and finally in IFE itself, including areas far removed from Benin influence.

AreaFada2:


Okoro is not lost in Benin o. Every Prince of Benin is called Okoro. You probably have to know more to be sure of these things first.

Crown Prince is Okoro n'Okhua. Okoro meant boy child initially but became Prince. I explained Okoro matter years ago here about how Oba Erediauwa was a student at Government College Ibadan, like 80 years ago. The chat between him and his British teacher. I believe I was replying to your post back then. I know at least 12 families with Okoro surname in Benin.
I still put it to you to show me any evidence of Olu of Warri using Oba title from 1800s. Remember, the Portuguese also documented Olu of Itsekhiri quite well. Show me Oba title in it.

I can tell you at least 20 Yoruba kings that never used Oba title until 100 years ago. Olubadan is one of them. Many were still "Baale". Not even yet king in status. Do you know how many Obas have been created or those elevated as Oba in last 50 years alone in Yorubaland? They all now have Oba title and praise name. It does not take long to be rooted. Just replace "Baale" in proverbs and songs with Oba.

Yes, power of Oba was important before 1897 because rulers in sphere of Benin influence could not just take Oba title like that. I have shown that even Yoruba rulers under Benin influence didn't even use Oba title. One cannot just wake up and use Awujale as a royal title. It is unique. Oba was unique to Edo. While it existed in Yoruba as "King" as some point, it never was individual appellation of a king. In a Western Region Traditional Rulers meeting in Benin in the 1940s, the register of attendees uniquely bore Oba of Benin as only Oba. Others were Ooni, Awujale, Alake, Alafin, etc. He was present but nothing like Oba Adesoji Aderemi was written. It was Ooni of Ife. Today, it would not be complete without writing The Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi.

Titles like Ojomo, Sagwe, Ero, Owangwe, Osere, Bajuaye and Sasere used in parts of Yorubaland now were adopted from Benin's Ezomo. Osague, Ero, Esere, Bazuaye and Iyase. You have them now in Ilesa and most of Eastern Yorubaland. In 100 years, people will swear that they are not from Benin. Even 50 years from now, people will not admit that the titles came from Benin. Others will argue that because they are so widespread in Yorubaland, it must have existed in Yorubaland long before coming to Benin.

But each title has unique story behind it in Benin.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero and Eholo were titles in Benin by 40BC already. Do you have all these titles in all Edoid Delta Aristocracy? You don't believe that some words and positions disappear if not used in separated languages? I know Iyase title exists in many Delta Edoid people but it is fairly young. Iyase was created in about 1255 AD by Oba Ewedo of Benin. The former 4 are way older. Being old doesn't mean all separated languages must have it.

The Benin/Edo Language I used to hear people speak growing up is different from the one I hear now. Never mind after 600 to 700 years of separation from Benin.

Before Oba Olua sent his son to Iwerre in 1480, there was no high-ranking ruler there. How can Oba already documented by Europeans then become less rooted in Benin than in Iwerre?

I write my epistles because of silent readers and posterity.

lol, where do I even start in addressing the mixture of half truths and some complete falsehoods in this write-up?
Do you speak Yoruba language for starters?

Infact, saying 'Oba' is anything but Yoruba is like saying 'Ori' is not head in Yoruba. The word is as fundermentally Yoruba as a word can get.

Do you know the meanings of Obaluaye, Obatala or Obalufon?

Do you know why Sango is known by the name Oba Koso?

Do you know why Oba'nta is one of the premier fathers of the Ijebu people?

All these our Alaafin (Owner of the palace- Aafin), Olowo (Lord of Owo), Deeji which is short for Owafadeji (Bestowed the crown - Ade), Owa Obokun (The first to get Sea water -Okun), Arinjale, Awujale (Spread to reign over land- Ile/Ale), Ewi (The eloquent speaker) Etc does not mean KING... they are what can be best described as customized or place specific honorifics.. They are all Obas.

Pride is such a strong motivating factor in historical distortion.

davidnazee:


You seem confused.. what invitation doesn't make sense to you?
is it the invitation for ife to send someone to rule Benin or the invitation for Ekhalederan's descendant to return home to rule?

The Oba title isn't much of an issue. It could be of Edo origin or Yoruba origin. It could also be that Ekhalederan's descendant decided to introduce the title his father used in ife since that is the culture he was raised in too.

The only thing that doesn't make sense and a foolish assumption is that Benin was attacked by ife/usen or that Benin (an already established and civilized people) will go to ife to ask for a foreigner to come rule them.

Don't kid yourself here, it is a HUGE issue!
So it absolutely doesn't make sense to you that the Ujama could invite a non royal Edo 'stranger' to rule in Benin, but it makes perfect sense to you that the descendants of that same prestigious lineage that has supposedly existed for hundreds of years would suddenly Jettison the title of their reverred ancestors, one which they have always used in favour of a STRANGE title that has no meaning in their language.

Even the greeting of the entire pedigree of new rulers had to change from the previous Laiso/Delaiso to La'Ooni and later on, La-m'Ogun.

If only you were honest with yourself, you would know that the only force powerful enough to achieve this is that of DYNASTIC CHANGE to something different… i.e, To the current “House of Oranmiyan”

UGBE634:
South of Benin city was the Sapele-Benin road which passed through Ologbo, and Itsekiri waterside Village situated on a roughly circular open plateau

This was what was written o, they did not describe Ologbo as waterside village o, why you dae shoot yourself for foot, there was comma after Ologbo, that is to say that after Ologbo, you get to Itsekiri waterside village

Why Ologbo seem to be different is this, there are Binis resident there and they have numbers, those other waterside villages that Itsekiris are resident in are not Ologbo, they are Itsekiri waterside village after Ologbo

But for the Ijaws, the Oral account we have with them is that they came to settle in our land, and that land, they settled in, the Binis do not reside there. Gele Gele is an example

Immediately after Ologbo is the Orhiomwon-Ologbo river complex there is no waterside village after Ologbo. Those other villages I listed are small hamlets west of ologbo not after it on the way to sapele.
Either the Itsekiri water side village has been subsumed into Ologbo itself, or there was a typo.

UGBE634:
That's true, Jason Owen Akenzua is the Enogie there, but bro Ologbo is not an Itsekiri community, it is owned naturally by the Binis, Itsekiris came to settle there, it is a community like Warri where there are Itsekiris, Urhobo, Ijaw. Just that in this case, it is the Binis and the Itsekiris

They are not majority, I am aware there are about ten quarters there, the Binis reside in five, Itsekiris reside in the other five

Even if we go by the way you described it, it is still at the very least an Itsekiri and Benin community.
The reason why the Ologbo issue is dicey is that there are still some smaller Itsekiri villages in the vicinity that are not Mixed with Binis; Abiala, Ajoki and co.

The Original Ologbo itself has been variously described as an Itsekiri waterside village.
If you want to say Benin are the traditional landowners and the others are 'sojourners/tenants' though, that would be a purely Benin-Itsekiri issue just like what is going on between the Benins and the Olodiama branch of the Ijaws.

UGBE634:
These seven kings are not in the class of those that were appointed by the past Oba's

The Oba Himself
Okaivbo of Urhonigbe
Enogie of Ugo
Enogie of Egor
Ogie-amien of Utantan
Iyase of Udo
Olu-awure of Usen

The reasons are this
1. The ages of these towns
2. The ages of these stools, none there is less than 500 years old
3. Their averagely larger size over other villages in Benin
4. Their historical importance to Edo as a race or Bini as a nation
Each of these communities and their stools meet at least 1, 2 or maybe all of the requirements

The rest are majorly "dagbo" the Oba will just cut seven small villages add them together and send his brother. It happened alot during the reign of Oba Akenzua, Eredieuwa and even this present Oba has sent some
The rest are

We know.
Infact, that was how the originally majority Itsekiri community of Ologbo got their own Enogie yesterday (In historical longevity terms)

UGBE634:
you mean the Irado

Please how did he lost the position, was he deposed, I don't know much about Utesse,

His Paleh died in I think '86. Since then they did not have another Olutese till 2012. After that, he was presented to the Oba as an Enogie.

He is the 35th Olutese on record even after a 26 year break. If we do an average of 25 years reign for each ruler minus the 26 years between 86 and 2012 then you will get an idea how old the stool is.

UGBE634:
Are you sure he is not related to the Oba, his name might be Akenzua or Eweka

He is related through Irado and Oranmiyan, a very distant cousin.
Strictly speaking, he is an uncle to the Oba.

UGBE634:
These seven kings are not in the class of those that were appointed by the past Oba's

The Oba Himself
Okaivbo of Urhonigbe
Enogie of Ugo
Enogie of Egor
Ogie-amien of Utantan
Iyase of Udo
Olu-awure of Usen

The reasons are this
1. The ages of these towns
2. The ages of these stools, none there is less than 500 years old
3. Their averagely larger size over other villages in Benin
4. Their historical importance to Edo as a race or Bini as a nation
Each of these communities and their stools meet at least 1, 2 or maybe all of the requirements

The rest are majorly "dagbo" the Oba will just cut seven small villages add them together and send his brother. It happened alot during the reign of Oba Akenzua, Eredieuwa and even this present Oba has sent some
The rest are

The Irado of Utese used to also be in this same class until they gave up that privilege especially with the current Olutese (now enogie), Agidigbi who came in 2012.

davidnazee:


You are really misinformed on Igodomigodo ways of governance. If you go far before the era of Obas. where will you find more than one person bearing Ogiso title same time? All territories making up Igodomigodo was under one encompassing ruler, an Ogiso.. Other smaller rulers in charge of different territories weren't called Ogiso. Egor and Ogiegor were under Igodomigodo. The Edos have been long civilized and structure their way of life long before the yorubas came into existence.
A Governor is in charge of a state and a President in charge of the whole country. You cannot call a governor a president. Same thing applies to Iyase, Okaevbo, Enogies.. They are not kings but dukes in charge of their territories. The Oba of Benin is the only King for all Bini people and He can remove them from that position if they run afoul against the Palace.

OLU AWURE the OBA of USEN is traditionally INDEPENDENT. Silly state politics aside.
You can even see he boldly uses the title Oba without fear or favor.

Even Udo is traditionally another sovereign municippality unless they deliberately chose to be subsumed under Benin.

AutomaticMotors:


You are a lost Soul and I have no desire nor interest to lecture you on the origin of "Oba" title .... I still repeat my earlier stance YOU ARE NOT EDO!!

Listen to your Urhobo cousins!

https://www.nairaland.com/7532857/ovie-otuo-comrade-oshiomhole-know#120209900

Efewestern:

Ovie is an Edoid word. Most Edoid related group use Ogie. Urhobo/Isoko being the largest popularized the word that doesn't mean other group doesn't make use of it.

Oba is no way Edoid, has no root whatsoever. Ogie/Ovie means leader/head/king.

davidnazee:


Who told you Ekhalderan died in Ughoton? why don't you think he journeyed from Ughoton due to threat of attacks and assassination from the palace he had problems with? He left Ughoton and journeyed to Ife where he became great. That may be the missing link you are searching for.

Ife and Ughoton are in two completely opposite directions. Ughoton is due southwards directly facing the creeks.

Ife is due westwards into the thick West African jungle.

For example, after crown prince Iginuwa sone of Oba Oluwa who was supposed to rule was upstaged and an uncle (Uncle Ojoluwa) ruled in his stead, he went towards the creeks and settled amongst a Yoruboid people (The Itsekiri) whom he met there. He didn't for example, suddenly leave there and turn westwards. If Ekaladerhan would end up anywhere else outside Ughoton, common sense only demands that it would have been down in the creeks a boat stop away from Ughoton or refuge amongst the Urhobos immediately south who also have various traditions of fleeing Benin which they call 'Aka' at different times in history, not in faaar away Ife hundreds of Kilometers to the Northwest . How does a person end up in Ife from Ughoton in that age? Does the story even make sense to you? HIAN!

TAO11:

I love how you’ve been relegated to the pit of denying yourself clownishly. 🤣 🤡

Listen Samuel, you’ve made a self-consoling claim here in relation to my past engagements with you.

You’ve now been asked to simply provide just one link from same Nairaland to back up your consolation.

See how you’re parading naked, going in circles rather than help yourself with links to where you performed this stunt you’re claiming/wishing you performed.😅

I’ve apparently battered your mental health, but I pray it’s not beyond recovery. 😢 I didn’t mean to.

Anyway, help yourself with the Nairaland links where I couldn’t stand up to your challenge — just one link.

In the meantime, while I’m waiting, virtually everyone active in the Nairaland culture section in the last 3 – 4 years have come to realize that your Ọmọnọbas are of Ifẹ-Yoruba patrilineal ancestry, roots & origin.

Some of these active readers (including Igbos & Binis) have expressed their conviction of this historical fact.

Such is life. Rest. Peace ✌🏾

Gbam
QED!

duro4chang:
Ekun is tiger please 🐅

Where did the Yoruba ancestors see it? In ancient Indo-China?

Some of these are incorrect

* Ekun is not Tiger 🐅 , We have no Tigers in Africa
* Hedgehog 🦔 is Líìlíì not Ọ̀yà
* Giraffe 🦒 is Àgùnfọ̀n not Agbanrere
* Mouse 🐁 is Ẹmọ́
* Insect (generic) 🐜 is Kòkòrò
* Cat 🐈 is Ọlọ́gìní quite alright, but Ológbò is more popular/generic.
* Eagle 🦅 is Àwòdì/Ìdì

AutomaticMotors:


What I want to say to you would likely get my accounted banned for 19yrs..... I know your medicine you would receive it in full!

What do you want to say other than curse the guy out? Mtcheew.
Did Ekaladerhan not die in Ughoton? The Ughoton people don't even have any record of him leaving the village for anywhere else.
How he became Oduduwa is still a mystery to the older generation of Benins alive today except those who chose not to speak. Infact, Oduduwa is known and venerated in Benin as Ododuwa and NOT as Ekalade... whatever.
you belong to the class of those people that will never contribute to the topic but will just sit in one corner chiding people.

UGBE634:
what about the lead, where did you get that, I have not heard of it, maybe because we don't have everyday use for it, I didn't even know we have a name for it, I would want to know your source

It is from the Bini language dictionary c.1937 by H. Melzian

UGBE634:
In Edo Iron is Ematon, that is the general Iron, while a distinct one like the bronze is called Eron-wmon. Eron-wmon ranges from something very precious, someone's child, daughter in this case can be called Eron-wmon. It is because of the uniqueness and appeal of this iron-like object that is why the name Eron-wmon stuck to it. I never knew lead was called Oze in Edo maybe because we don't use it on a regular. Where did you find that

Yes Iron is Ematon. Eronmwon is brass. Most of what is called Bronze in classical Africana art is usually some kind of brass alloy.
On your comment about the value of Eronmwon, you are right.. Infact, it was more valued in Benin society than Gold and Silver before this mdoern era.

babasolution:
Even going by ogori/magongo names of quarters and settlements within the towns you'd get to hear a semblance with Edo and even idoma names,eg Akpafa,similar to akpapava in Benin,even old original ogori names have an idomoid/edoid sound eg idu,etu ,okpowo etc.The Yoruba names are recent names even the Yoruba surnames

Qua qua qua qua.
Pls... what is especially special about the names; Akpafa, etu, idu or okpowo? LMAO .. All these words could have meaning in any of the numerous Yoruba dialects.

Its also funny how you remember those ones, but don't remember the most important parts of town: AIYEROMI, ARAWU, AYETORO, EKU OBA, ILETEJU, OBINOYIN, UDADEGUN, OMODA, ABATIGBEN, OKESI or OJUBEDI.

At least if you want to mention areas of town the least you could have done is list an ample sample.

Agenda must agend with you.

babasolution:
Even going by ogori/magongo names of quarters and settlements within the towns you'd get to hear a semblance with Edo and even idoma names,eg Akpafa,similar to akpapava in Benin,even old original ogori names have an idomoid/edoid sound eg idu,etu ,okpowo etc.The Yoruba names are recent names even the Yoruba surnames

Qua qua qua qua.
Pls... what is especially special about the names Akpafa, etu, idu or okpowo? LMAO .. All these words could have meaning in any of the numerous Yoruba dialects.

Its also funny how you remember those ones, but don't remember the most important parts of town: AIYEROMI, ARAWU, AYETORO, EKU OBA, ILETEJU, OBINOYIN, UDADEGUN, OMODA, OBATIGBEN or OJUBEDI.

At least if you want to mention areas of town the least you could have done is list an ample sample.

Agenda must agend with you.

RedboneSmith:


Does Eronmwon have a meaning in Edo?

Also, scholes0, does 'Sunwen' have a meaning in Yoruba?According to one source Oduduwa's brass-Smith was called Sunwen.

(E-)ron-mwon and Sun-wen are similar enough for someone that has a good eye for linguistic relations to suspect that there's cognatic affinity here.

Eronmwon in Edo means Brass. Although it is Ude in the Ife dialect.
However Iron would be Urin.

Lead in Yoruba is Oje. Oze in Edo.

Sunwen sounds like a name that would come from South eastern Yorubaland, Ondo, Ikale, Oluji, Ilaje and co.
It could mean a lot of things since it is a name and not an item . It could even be a priest/worshipper of Uwen. from Sen (venerate) and Uwen (the Iwin deity of parts of Yorubaland)

UGBE634:
some of them are so visible, others may not so be the Ihogbe not all the positions are hereditary, some are by appointment

All the original Ihogbe posts were borne by people from Ife. Infact that is why they are called the Oba's family.
I wasn't making or mixing up anything in my original post at all.

Anyways, you deserve a break, you don try.

UGBE634:
they are not neutral as they are visibly yoruba by ancestry and they seem to have a soft spot for the yorubas. The Uzamas have existed from time before the Oba dynasty. these families according to what we have went to invite oranmiyan

Many of these families, that's why I said you should ask them directly, if they are from Ife, they would be proud to tell you, I know some of these Uzamas families so well. Ife is a noble place, they will only tell you they are not from because they are not from, it is better to hear from the horses mouth

And all the other families in the initial post?
And the Ihogbe?
Anways .......

UGBE634:
I made it for emphasis, Igueghae seems to be a Bini name, that's the point

Talking about names, do you know those Ujama titles all have meanings in Yoruba chieftaincy and esoteric societies like the Awo and Ogboni?
What do they mean in Benin?

UGBE634:
I am sorry these are not true, they had initially gone to invite him, that is why they came with him from Ife, it is part of the bastardization of the Bini history by the Usen people we are talking about.

The period of the Uzamas far predated the period of Oronmiyan in Benin, I would like you to come down to Benin and interview these families before you can be taken seriously

The "families" of the Iyase,Uso, Eson Esama, Esogbanetc are not really families as most are not hereditary

Goodnight

Left to me, the Usen people are the neutral party between Benin and ife here. Infact, they are the harbingers of the whole Benin-Ife episode.
Anything they say should be held in high regard.

UGBE634:
It was not stated in that write up

Yes it was They said the oba SENT FOR (i.e requested the services of) a master caster, they didn't say the Oba SENT TO

UGBE634:
And that person that was sent for is with the name Igueghae the late Oba opined he was earlier sent there to learn

Bros, Igueghae was said to be the first Ineh, and he came from Ife. This is not in doubt.

The oral history is jumbled up most especially with regards to time frame, but there are some consistencies.

UGBE634:
who is Aywaw and who is his son Bini, what link do they have with Bini, it is not stated there that these men migrated from Ife, the word used there is accompany, these chiefs alongside with chief Oliha as the head went to Ife to invite him, then accompanied him down obviously

Awyaw if Oyo, and the account is an allegory. One of the six son's of "Awyaw" is referring to Oranmiyan.

And by several accounts, such as; "The Intelligence report on Benin City by F.H Marshall 1939, Page 3. The four pair of chiefs came with him from Ife

UGBE634:
This is not true according to what we have, igueghae went to learn the art and came back to teach locals

Naah, Oba Oguola actually sent to Ife for a smith to come teach locals.

UGBE634:
The Binis were already ironsmith from time immemorial, infact according to the Oba, it was bronze smith that came from ife

can you post examples of some early Benin work in smithing?

UGBE634:
this one seem like a mythical tale, no where was it Even stated where ine of igun came from

Infact, the whole art of Igun Eronmwon and Ide (Iron and brass) came from Ife, not just the Ine.