budaatum:

So basically, you do not know. You just believe despite not having evidence the claim is true.

That, I tend not to do, since I can continue to seek evidence that will prove it true or not. And then will I know.


You are funny thinking buda thinks Wikipedia is the place to go, but I guess you'd say that because you don't know buda.

As a rule I do not provide books to prove my point because they are like Bible verses where a contrary verse (book) can be provided that contradicts any I provide, especially since each understanding of the same book may differ too. I after all would have considered many sides of a subject before I claim to have knowledge of it.

What Wikipedia gives is a very short snapshot of what is generally agreed upon about a topic, and for here it serves its purpose, which is for those interested to have a kind of syllabus on which to start their own search for information so they may know what is already known and build on from there for themselves.

I rely on the minds of those I engage with to separate the wheat of knowledge from the chaff of ignorance and determine for themself what they want to believe or not or know instead. And I do enjoy finding out how people reason and see how they evolve over time.


And waste my time on nonsense? Now why would I do something so stupid when I can instead be investigating how to make the million pounds I dreamt I had last night appear in my bank account?

Surely, before clothing themselves, I'd need to convince myself spirits exist, don't you think? And after having investigated the existence of the super spirit gods and found they only exist in the minds of those in whom they are created, why wouldn't I investigate your mind and how you think and reason instead since you are presenting here and real before me in spirit and all?

It is you who have chosen to believe, justlove91. I have done enough work to know that the spirits many have claimed exist do not exist, so there's nothing to be clothed. The only thing that would convince me is a spirit, presented before me that I have tested and confirmed to be a spirit, clothing itself. And please know that my test might include and would not be limited to sticking a knife in the spirit to ensure it is a real spirit, along with the previous mentioned tests of my own senses and it's so called ectoplasma.

This I must say. I find it odd that you would be trying to convince me to accept your belief as valid without you providing any evidence. It is like asking me to believe in a god that you do not know exists, or me trying to convince you to accept my dream million pounds for a spanking brand new red ferrari. That said, I plead guilty to trying to convince you of what I know, or at least compelling you to continue researching until you stop believing, and instead know.

I hear you.

You want to make million pounds?? It's okay, just know Hedonic adaptation will be waiting for you.

justlove91:

I hope you don't think of me as some simpleton ready to just believe in anything. You see, after I left Islam, I became very cautious with holding any position until I've thoroughly gone through available data on the subject.

When I first heard of Mediumship, I was skeptical also at first (WTF do you mean spirits can materialise), but after going through copious amount of data on the subject, I now believe (remember, not know) in it's claim.

So basically, you do not know. You just believe despite not having evidence the claim is true.

That, I tend not to do, since I can continue to seek evidence that will prove it true or not. And then will I know.

justlove91:

@bolded
I love that attitude, and you can go through the evidence available yourself (with is alot) just as I did and come to your own conclusion on the subject.
But I tell you buddy, Wikipedia is not the place to go. If you need material on the subject, I'm happy to help.

You are funny thinking buda thinks Wikipedia is the place to go, but I guess you'd say that because you don't know buda.

As a rule I do not provide books to prove my point because they are like Bible verses where a contrary verse (book) can be provided that contradicts any I provide, especially since each understanding of the same book may differ too. I after all would have considered many sides of a subject before I claim to have knowledge of it.

What Wikipedia gives is a very short snapshot of what is generally agreed upon about a topic, and for here it serves its purpose, which is for those interested to have a kind of syllabus on which to start their own search for information so they may know what is already known and build on from there for themselves.

I rely on the minds of those I engage with to separate the wheat of knowledge from the chaff of ignorance and determine for themself what they want to believe or not or know instead. And I do enjoy finding out how people reason and see how they evolve over time.

justlove91:

The claim now is "spirit can cloth themselves in physicality such that people can now see, hear and touch them" investigate the available copious written data on that.

And waste my time on nonsense? Now why would I do something so stupid when I can instead be investigating how to make the million pounds I dreamt I had last night appear in my bank account?

Surely, before clothing themselves, I'd need to convince myself spirits exist, don't you think? And after having investigated the existence of the super spirit gods and found they only exist in the minds of those in whom they are created, why wouldn't I investigate your mind and how you think and reason instead since you are presenting here and real before me in spirit and all?

It is you who have chosen to believe, justlove91. I have done enough work to know that the spirits many have claimed exist do not exist, so there's nothing to be clothed. The only thing that would convince me is a spirit, presented before me that I have tested and confirmed to be a spirit, clothing itself. And please know that my test might include and would not be limited to sticking a knife in the spirit to ensure it is a real spirit, along with the previous mentioned tests of my own senses and it's so called ectoplasma.

This I must say. I find it odd that you would be trying to convince me to accept your belief as valid without you providing any evidence. It is like asking me to believe in a god that you do not know exists, or me trying to convince you to accept my dream million pounds for a spanking brand new red ferrari. That said, I plead guilty to trying to convince you of what I know, or at least compelling you to continue researching until you stop believing, and instead know.

jaephoenix:

And you believe all this because someone said so? Without a shred of evidence? Whoa!
I can as well create a youtube clip of how I fly to the US every night on wings and dine with Elon Musk, Bezos etc. Hope you believe me

If he can help me too please by being a believing spanking brand new red ferrari sales person so I can buy with the imaginary million pounds in my bank account.

NairaLTQ:

A spirit is a no material being!
Believing in something means you ascribe and subscribe to it.

Ascribing to something does not give you the power to then claim what you ascribe to is real and exists!

I used to ascribe to the fact that I had a million pounds in my bank account. Unfortunately I could never find a salesperson who'd swop me it for a ferrari.

budaatum:

The atheists will say the onus is on the believer, and not on them to prove the impossible. I too think they talk rubbish!

I wonder if you've heard about the million pounds in my bank account. I've had it a few months now, and plan to go to the ferrari shop and buy a spanking brand new red ferrari with it. Problem is that the ferrari salesman will not take my word for it. So I'm thinking of telling him the million pounds is divine and cannot be seen, but he will receive it in his dreams. Yep, that might work. Except last night in my sleep I ate a meal of pounded yam and egusi soup with panla, bokoto, abodi and the most succulent ogunfe meat and washed the whole lot down with one big odeku beer. It was served by 6 of the most beautiful naked women you could ever imagine who rubbed my belly and kissed my lips as I ate. I was so full I could burst! Funny though, I woke up starving and had to eat two eggs on toast to alleviate my hunger!

I just hope the ferrari salesman does not say, "that's okay, we'll deliver the ferrari, in your dreams!

[quote author=budaatum post=117619310]

Why not? Is that not the same as you telling me not to let your people know that you are a very smart person?

Please don't tell me not to state the truth if I want to!

budaatum is a smart person!

People don't like the truth. Or rather people don't like being told the truth because it brings to light a fear/worry they already knew about before but tried to ignore thinking it'll go away.

See! Not everyone is smart like you.

I daresay you're the smartest person I've come across going by your posts. A part of me knows you're not going to downplay this.

Indeed I never said, though it would need to fill the spanking brand new red ferrari criteria before I pay you the imaginary million pounds in my bank account for it.

I'm sure he's learning, do you think you can pardon him and give him the tasks?

First. No one expects anything from buda. Or rather, no one with a brain would expect anything from buda. buda is not like Christ whom one might expect from.

Does Buda want to be like Christ? @

Second, buda will advise you not to believe anything, but check every spirit with your own heart and soul and mind and being. You already check, of course, hence your asking questions.

Of course. I do not like to make hasty and misinformed generalizations and decisions about a person that's why I have an opinion and I have to ask questions to better tweak the profile I've created of you in my head. You're an interesting person. Now, are you a Mr or Mrs?

Kind hearted person? I do not think there is anyone on this Nairaland who would possibly agree with you. And if you do find someone then you either paid that person to lie about buda or that person lies as a matter of course, because I can categorically state that buda does not have a heart.

Why offer to help the OP with a job/task then? Are you gonna say you were not helping him, but employed him and as such you're required to pay for his services?

And just so you are not given anything to believe, buda insists you decide for yourself which is which.

Would you like to know what I decided?

kozmicity:
Don't let my people know you called them gullible

Why not? Is that not the same as you telling me not to let your people know that you are a very smart person?

Please don't tell me not to state the truth if I want to!

kozmicity is a smart person!

kozmicity:
I don't think you said it was life sized or a ferrari car... He could have drawn the logo on a tin soldier as long as it was painted red with the brand logo. And spanking new grin

See! Not everyone is smart like you.

Indeed I never said, though it would need to fill the spanking brand new red ferrari criteria before I pay you the imaginary million pounds in my bank account for it.

kozmicity:
On one hand I believe this, you're certainly eccentric if your posts are anything to go by. But on the other hand, you might be saying this to dispel the weight of expectations people get from meeting a kind hearted person. Which is which?

First. No one expects anything from buda. Or rather, no one with a brain would expect anything from buda. buda is not like Christ whom one might expect from.

Second, buda will advise you not to believe anything, but check every spirit with your own heart and soul and mind and being. You already check, of course, hence your asking questions.

Kind hearted person? I do not think there is anyone on this Nairaland who would possibly agree with you. And if you do find someone then you either paid that person to lie about buda or that person lies as a matter of course, because I can categorically state that buda does not have a heart.

And just so you are not given anything to believe, buda insists you decide for yourself which is which.

Don't let my people know you called them gullible[quote author=budaatum post=117617505]

Seriously, I don't think so. ferrari dealerships where I live all adopt ashewo philosophy of money for ground, and asked for evidence of my imaginary million pounds I want to buy one with before they sold me one.

I don't think you said it was life sized or a ferrari car... He could have drawn the logo on a tin soldier as long as it was painted red with the brand logo. And spanking new

Trust me. There is no goodness whatsoever in the heart of buda, but if you were employed by buda your post would have earned you a payrise.

On one hand I believe this, you're certainly eccentric if your posts are anything to go by. But on the other hand, you might be saying this to dispel the weight of expectations people get from meeting a kind hearted person. Which is which?

budaatum:


I was not searching for any ordinary ferrari representative. I was specifically searching for a ferrari salesperson who was willing to sell me a spanking brand new red ferrari for the imaginary million pounds I believed I had in my bank account.

And the reason was that I wanted to own and drive a spanking brand new red ferrari.

The picture you posted... Are you implying that he isn't learning because he doesn't want to?

kozmicity:
Did he ever ask you why like I just did?

No Sir, he never did. And that asking was the training one was paying for so he can perform future tasks.

kozmicity:
And why would you want a spanking new ferrari?

To be honest, I don't really want a spanking brand new red ferrari. What I want is to buy a spanking brand new red ferrari with the imaginary million pounds in my bank account.

kozmicity:
I imagine the country you reside in has many ferrari dealerships capable of accepting the imaginary money.

Seriously, I don't think so. ferrari dealerships where I live all adopt ashewo philosophy of money for ground, and asked for evidence of my imaginary million pounds I want to buy one with before they sold me one.

kozmicity:
... Why would you want one from Nigeria?

I want one from anywhere that is willing to sell me one for my imaginary million pounds in my bank account, to be honest. But since all those with whom the conversation came up were in Nigeria and seemed gullible enough, well......

kozmicity:
don't say it's out of the goodness of your heart.

Trust me. There is no goodness whatsoever in the heart of buda, but if you were employed by buda your post would have earned you a payrise.

budaatum:


I was not searching for any ordinary ferrari representative. I was specifically searching for a ferrari salesperson who was willing to sell me a spanking brand new red ferrari for the imaginary million pounds I believed I had in my bank account.

And the reason was that I wanted to own and drive a spanking brand new red ferrari.

Did he ever ask you why like I just did? And why would you want a spanking new ferrari? I imagine the country you reside in has many ferrari dealerships capable of accepting the imaginary money... Why would you want one from Nigeria?

don't say it's out of the goodness of your heart.

kozmicity:
Buda, why are/were you searching for a ferrari sales representative?

I was not searching for any ordinary ferrari representative. I was specifically searching for a ferrari salesperson who was willing to sell me a spanking brand new red ferrari for the imaginary million pounds I believed I had in my bank account.

And the reason was that I wanted to own and drive a spanking brand new red ferrari.

azraeljaheel:
I'm still looking for a ferrari salesperson who would accept the imaginary million pounds I've cooked up in my bank account in exchange for a real spanking brand new red ferrari.

This will be really hard to find
Budaatum

I no really understand you and Buda.

E be like them don ban you abi wetin happen?

azraeljaheel:
I'm still looking for a ferrari salesperson who would accept the imaginary million pounds I've cooked up in my bank account in exchange for a real spanking brand new red ferrari.

This will be really hard to find
Budaatum

How do you expect your sureties to check and know if the above is correct?

Your award for this task is below.

I'm still looking for a ferrari salesperson who would accept the imaginary million pounds I've cooked up in my bank account in exchange for a real spanking brand new red ferrari.

This will be really hard to find
Budaatum

budaatum:

An expressed or believed belief can be devoid of knowledge or based on knowledge.

I can believe I have a million pounds in my bank account whether I have a million pounds or not, but I'm certain to meet some resistance when I try to buy a real spanking brand new red ferrari with the million pounds I believe I have. And so I'd call up my bank for my credit, and the bank would tell me how much I have in my account with them so I stop believing what I now know. And when I stand in front of the ferrari salesperson, I can say what I know with the authority that the bank will back me up or not as would actually be the case.

Fact is, the believer knows if they have checked or are just stating what it is that they believe, and if it is what they believe, they should know they ought to ask and knock and seek to know instead of mere believing and lying that it is based on some knowledge they deep down know they lack.

Hmn!
The question has assumed that some believed beliefs are based on weak speculations devoid of facts such as a statement like "twins bring bad luck to the community" or "whistling at night attract ghosts to the whistler".

The question was:

Is a Belief always devoid of Knowledge/Knowing?

shadeyinka:


So, the next question:
Is a Belief always devoid of Knowledge/Knowing?

An expressed or believed belief can be devoid of knowledge or based on knowledge.

I can believe I have a million pounds in my bank account whether I have a million pounds or not, but I'm certain to meet some resistance when I try to buy a real spanking brand new red ferrari with the million pounds I believe I have. And so I'd call up my bank for my credit, and the bank would tell me how much I have in my account with them so I stop believing what I now know. And when I stand in front of the ferrari salesperson, I can say what I know with the authority that the bank will back me up or not as would actually be the case.

Fact is, the believer knows if they have checked or are just stating what it is that they believe, and if it is what they believe, they should know they ought to ask and knock and seek to know instead of mere believing and lying that it is based on some knowledge they deep down know they lack.

Kobojunkie:

Jesus also said something like "If you have seen me, you have seen my father"... Do those same believers repeat the very same claim of their person?

There is even a warning in the book of Jude(yeah, he was a disciple of Jesus Christ), clearly warning them to desist from such acts. It is in their God Book.

Sometime ago, and for a long time [url=https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=spanking+brand+new+red+Ferrari%2C&search=Search]I believed I had a million pounds in my bank account and wanted to buy a spanking brand new red ferrari with it[/url]. Unfortunately, for me, no ferrari salesperson would accept the one million pounds I believed I had for a spanking brand new red ferrari, so I gave up and now walk and get the bus.

Believers believe whatever they want to believe. That does not make a belief valid. The God book even has it written in it that demons believes, and last time I checked, God would not exactly want anyone emulating demons.

Please see here where it is believed that the earth is flat and made of swiss chese. "It is", I assert, "because it is believed!"

Now, regarding Jesus and his, "If you have seen me, you have seen my father". Are you aware he is also written to have said, "In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. Does that not explain what he might have meant by "If you have seen me, you have seen my father"? In fact, every follower of Christ should make that claim, but they must first ensure their fruits match.

If you can be specific about your reference to Jude, I am very willing, for while I cannot attempt to provide you with empirical evidence for a God, we can at least accept we both can read a book and learn.

beauty7:


But others have seen it and we have believed them that there are 9 planets in our solar system.

You remind me of the imaginary million pounds in my bank account with which I'd love to buy a real spanking brand new red ferrari but could not find a ferrari salesperson who would believe me and sell me one. Please tell me you have one to sell so I can transfer the million pounds to you.

Nobody, except the lazy who can't be bothered to use their senses and look through a telescope at the planets themselves, believes there are planets in our solar system, beauty!

Get a telescope so you too may look up and know instead of merely believing what they say.

NLmember:


Lol

Sometimes you just know some things based on life experiences

johnydon22:


And your life experience is an objective paremeter to make a general conclusion.

Is that how it works?

Reminds me of when I use to have an imaginary million pounds in my bank account with which I intended to buy a spanking brand new red ferrari, except I could never find a ferrari salesperson who would accept my million pounds.

Don't worry Johny. Reality is one of those things that experience eventually reveals.

XxSabrinaxX:

If i may ask, budaatum, what's your point? That atheism is illogical?

Lol! Lol again!

A favorite word to describe atheists is "fool", which leads me to conclude that atheism is illogical to those it is illogical to. And there are many that atheism is illogical to. As for me, however, creating figments in my imagination and claiming they exist and are real would serve me better if it worked with the imaginary million pounds in my bank account with which I'd love to buy a real spanking brand new red ferrari! I'm yet to find a ferrari salesperson who would theistically believe me though. I'm beginning to think they must all be foolish atheists, unfortunately.

Atheism tends to have a relationship with the scientific method, by which I simply mean, the "use of the senses to properly gather information about structures and/or process". If it's a horse's hoofbeats, and I think it is those of a zebra, you can see how I could be influenced to perhaps kill and eat it instead of keeping it to help me till the land and provide even more food to put on it's back to take to the market to sell for more money to feed me, my family, and my next door neighbour. Imagine the look on my stupid face after killing the zebra and it turns out to be a horse just because I chose to believe some stupidness I cooked up in my head!

budaatum:

Well, least you admit it is a belief - a "creations and fabrications of men", or "things cooked up in the head", as I'd put it, and not actual knowledge based on your own scrutiny of the evidence with your own senses.

I wonder if you've heard of my belief? It's to do with an imaginary million pounds that's in my bank account with which I intend to buy a spanking brand new red ferrari as soon as I find a ferrari salesperson willing to believe me. You don't happen to sell Ferraris do you?

If there was a concept that ought to be common to atheists (not that there is one, or at least, not all atheists subscribe to it though they ought to), I'd say it's the scientific method, which is the critical analysis of beliefs. It's a way to check if the beliefs we hold on to are valid or not, and why science, the scrutiny and analysis of evidence, thrives and leads to progress. Without it, the earth would still be the centre of the universe and flat.

The highlighted part of your post above is very far from the truth. People that are actually familiar with philosophy (as a field) will be to place my views on God under a specific branch of philosophy, which is Hermetic philosophy.

Everything I have stated about God were derived from books I have read on philosophy and history, so they are not my inventions or theories.

And as I've stated before, having studied atheism and identified its flaws, I still maintain my stance on God. I don't see much sense in atheism and can't wrap my head around the existence of an object or system (e.g. the universe) without a designer or maker.

gensteejay:

This sort of discussion about God does not usually lead to any tangible conclusion. Even though I'm more of a knowledge seeker and rational thinker than a believer, I would still hold on to my belief that this universe, including our world, was designed by a Maker, but not the gods of religions who themselves are parts of this Maker.

I have not seen any logical reason to believe otherwise.

Well, least you admit it is a belief - a "creations and fabrications of men", or "things cooked up in the head", as I'd put it, and not actual knowledge based on your own scrutiny of the evidence with your own senses.

I wonder if you've heard of my belief? It's to do with an imaginary million pounds that's in my bank account with which I intend to buy a spanking brand new red ferrari as soon as I find a ferrari salesperson willing to believe me. You don't happen to sell Ferraris do you?

If there was a concept that ought to be common to atheists (not that there is one, or at least, not all atheists subscribe to it though they ought to), I'd say it's the scientific method, which is the critical analysis of beliefs. It's a way to check if the beliefs we hold on to are valid or not, and why science, the scrutiny and analysis of evidence, thrives and leads to progress. Without it, the earth would still be the centre of the universe and flat.

MuttleyLaff:
I

I never said it does not exist
rather I said if you can you find a person that recognises and accepts the imaginary million pounds in his bank account I will convert

Kai! This guy can lie for Nigeria. This is what you wrote:

All I will care about is, if you can find one person, just one person,
just one budaatum, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red ferrari sports dick extension car
then I will automatic alacrity, arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert.

Don't be lying you this chicken.

MuttleyLaff:

Help a brother out Ihedinobi3
Why not care?
Please agree to take his imaginary milion pounds in his bank account
I'll personally make sure the dick extension wishful spanking brand new red ferrari get delivered and parked under his carport/in his driveway

I think she's a she.

I don't care because it is not relevant to the conversation I am having, dear friend.

MuttleyLaff:
I dont foxtrot uniform charlie kilo care
All I will care about is, if you can find one person, just one person,
just one budaatum, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red ferrari sports dick extension car
then I will automatic alacrity, arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert.

There is the point budaatum
At least the thought spurred you on enough to get out of bed and face the world
otherwise you wouldnt think it's worthwhile rolling out of bed

No,
but shoving back your annoyingly lazy, "no one's going to believe you", back at you.

Convert now you heathen! For I believe in the budaa and his £1million.

budaatum:
Are you suggesting the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get you out of bed in the morning?

Nope, I never suggested that the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get you out of bed in the morning
That is another of your misadventurous invention and/or cooked up imaginary stuff that the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie.

Let's see, how far, we can kick this.
Supposing the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get us out of bed in the morning.
If it wasnt there to motivate to get you out of bed in the morning,
then that means nobody gets out of bed

People believe it, people believe the lie then
but you, you budaatum, cant find one single person, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red ferrari sports dick extension car
that if any, will make me automatic alacrity, arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert.

budaatum:
First, the fact that you can find lots of people to believe what you do hardly makes it so.
If it were so, I'd cook up a billion pounds in my head, promise to pay 999 million of it to 99.9 million people for believing it too
and we'll all pocket the one million each that our collective belief made true!

I dont foxtrot uniform charlie kilo care
All I will care about is, if you can find one person, just one person,
just one budaatum, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red ferrari sports dick extension car
then I will automatic alacrity, arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert.

budaatum:
And the fact that I may cook up in my head that it would be a good day any day that I wake up does not make it necessarily so either, muttley!
At best, I hope it would be a good day, but it may very well turn out to be the worst day ever, or my last!

There is the point budaatum
At least the thought spurred you on enough to get out of bed and face the world
otherwise you wouldnt think it's worthwhile rolling out of bed

budaatum:
By God, are you being annoyingly lazy!

No,
but shoving back your annoyingly lazy, "no one's going to believe you", back at you.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, it has nothing to do with theism cooking up imaginary stuff in your head
and claiming it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and asking you to accept it as true too budaatum.

Having said that budaatum, have you thought about, why did you cook it up in your that today is going to be a good day
and so gladly rolled out of bed, to get out and face the world?
Did you have any evidence whatsoever therein then whilst still under the duvet, to support it before climbing out of bed?

budaatum, [b]discovery and invention are two opposite things
Theism is about discovery and not invention or cooking up imaginary stu[/b]ff

No I dont
but you do, in this particular type of absurdity

If you can find, just one person, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red ferrari sports dick extension car
then I'll arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert

First, the fact that you can find lots of people to believe what you do hardly makes it so. If it were so, I'd cook up a billion pounds in my head, promise to pay 999 million of it to 99.9 million people for believing it too and we'll all pocket the one million each that our collective belief made true!

And the fact that I may cook up in my head that it would be a good day any day that I wake up does not make it necessarily so either, muttley! At best, I hope it would be a good day, but it may very well turn out to be the worst day ever, or my last!

By God, are you being annoyingly lazy!

budaatum:
Why then should theism allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head
and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and ask me to accept it as true too, muttley?

budaatum, it has nothing to do with theism cooking up imaginary stuff in your head
and claiming it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and asking you to accept it as true too budaatum.

Having said that budaatum, have you thought about, why did you cook it up in your that today is going to be a good day
and so gladly rolled out of bed, to get out and face the world?
Did you have any evidence whatsoever therein then whilst still under the duvet, to support it before climbing out of bed?

budaatum, discovery and invention are two opposite things
Theism is about discovery and not invention or cooking up imaginary stuff

budaatum:
Do you have a monopoly on absurdity perhaps

No I dont
but you do, in this particular type of absurdity

If you can find, just one person, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red ferrari sports dick extension car
then I'll arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert

MuttleyLaff:

You easily can conjure up in your head you have an imaginary million pounds in your bank account for a spanking brand new red ferrari sports car and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
but your atheism does not allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
What a bummer, what a raw deal that is, the absurdity of your situation and predicament.

Why then should theism allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and ask me to accept it as true too, muttley? Do you have a monopoly on absurdity perhaps?

budaatum:
I wonder if you've heard of my imaginary million pounds with which I intend to purchase a spanking brand new red ferrari that MuttleyLaff says I keep going on about it?
This is precisely the sort of 'reasoning' it's intended to debunk.
According to you, the fact there is no material proof for the imaginary milion pounds in my bank account should not stop the ferrari saleperson handing over the keys of my dick, as muttley calls my spanking brand new red ferrari!
Please, do you sell Ferraris by any chance?
You'd be the salesperson I've been looking for.

budaatum I never called your wishful spanking brand new red ferrari a dick
rather and correctly, I referred your wishful spanking brand new red ferrari to being a dick extension

Dick extension, is a colloquial and everyday language used for describing an expensive car, owned by a man, that costs a loads of money
Everyone knows dick is red when erect, I mean redder and a spanking brand new red ferrari looks like a dick
so if you intend to purchase the spanking brand new red ferrari sports car,
then it basically means, for reasons best known to you, you want a great extension to your dick
Your attraction seems to be ferrari, for some their preference is a "Big Metal Willy", BMW for the simple

budaatum:
I'm sorry, but my atheism does not allow me to cook up imaginary stuff in my head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.

You easily can conjure up in your head you have an imaginary million pounds in your bank account for a spanking brand new red ferrari sports car
and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
but your atheism does not allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head
and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
What a bummer, what a raw deal that is, the absurdity of your situation and predicament.

Ihedinobi3:
No I hadn't. And I don't particularly care about it.

Help a brother out Ihedinobi3
Why not care?
Please agree to take his imaginary milion pounds in his bank account
I'll personally make sure the dick extension wishful spanking brand new red ferrari get delivered and parked under his carport/in his driveway

budaatum, how would you like your spanking brand new red ferrari sports car delivered?
Would you like it with or without a roof? Convertible perhaps or not?

budaatum:

I do not think you are familiar with buda speak. Are you knew?

Buda is a "gods are figments of the imagination" sort of atheist. She does not believe that gods do not exist. She knows they do not exist. You might from that understand that there is no god to be forgiving, not to talk of, ought to or not.

But, let's stick with the evidence, shall we. Is what I said about people getting away with sinning, wrong?

I admit I am not familiar with "buda speak" but I'm quite familiar with dishonesty. It does seem to me like you're deliberately avoiding owning an inconsistency in your posts.

budaatum:
Yes, you may add Christian to my being an atheist. If one sins, one will surely die! And Jesus is Lord. Forget the God, heaven, hell, spirits etc though. I am limited to my neighbours here on earth whom I can see.

You don't have to be a Christian to appreciate that the Bible is true. Everyone does. Not everybody is a Christian.

budaatum:
I wonder if you've heard of my imaginary million pounds with which I intend to purchase a spanking brand new red ferrari that MuttleyLaff says I keep going on about it? This is precisely the sort of 'reasoning' it's intended to debunk. According to you, the fact there is no material proof for the imaginary milion pounds in my bank account should not stop the ferrari saleperson handing over the keys of my dick, as muttley calls my spanking brand new red ferrari! Please, do you sell Ferraris by any chance? You'd be the salesperson I've been looking for.

No I hadn't. And I don't particularly care about it.

budaatum:
I'm sorry, but my atheism does not allow me to cook up imaginary stuff in my head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.

As I told you, this is the fallacy of argument from ignorance.

budaatum:
Watch out for my cheap shot below. I could not help myself.

I think that changes like this may testify to some deeper-than-the-surface appreciation that the position of the Bible is not true.

Yes, humans will still have a choice. There are quite a lot of people who, despite their absolute belief in the existence of God and hell who do evil things!

In Christianity, everybody is like that. Even the best Christians still do evil things. Belief in the existence of God and hell is not mutually exclusive with bad behavior in practice although it is very much so in theory. It does discourage arrogance so it limits such bad behavior but everybody still alive on earth is in a body that is corrupted with sin so that we sin all the time for all kinds of reasons. But anyone who fears God and does not want to go to hell does cooperate with the Holy Spirit to limit arrogance in their attitude toward God.

budaatum:
Sounds like you're saying "freewill is indicative of love". If so, I completely agree. My love for you should be the sort that allows you to freely express yourself. It should not be the restrictive, imprisoning, do my will sort. I trust you to not harm yourself, nor me.

And we're back to the statement I asked you about initially. If love does not restrict behavior, then a loving God will not punish evil, will He? That is a common atheist position.