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Religion / Re: Paying Of Tithes In Churches Today by seeker2: 2:22am On Nov 03, 2007
The above reply illustrates the main (but certainly not the only) weakness of the teaching that Christians are commanded to tithe.  The proof text mentioned IS NOT a command to Christians.  If the scriptures had a command to or an example of Christians tithing that would be presented, yet it is not because there is none.  The practice of Christians tithing of their gross income to the local church is unknown in scripture.  The scripture has much to say about Christian giving, but NOTHING about Christian tithing.

Just because Jesus told those under the Mosaic Covenant  (Matt 23:23) that they needed to support the Levitical priesthood by tithing on their crops and flocks (did you know the Mosaic tithes were never money?) does not indicate He intended to fund the work of the Church in the SAME WAY.  If so, then we certainly must do so THE SAME WAY.  but what church would be happy if their members brought in buckets of pears, apples, walnuts, sheep and cows.  Clearly the New Testament method of taking generous, cheerful collections based on how we have been prospered and as we have purposed in our hearts is superior.

Many things Jesus did and commanded would be sinful to bind on Christians. 

Jesus COMMANDED animal sacrifices (Matt 8:4)

Jesus observed the Sabbath (Luke 4:16) although He rejected their man made up
                                                                  regulations concerning the Sabbath.

Jesus observed the Passover (Matt 26:18)

Yes, Jesus commanded JEWS (Matt 23:23) to tithe their crops and flocks to support the Levitical priests, but such would not work well as the support system for the work of the Church. 

Heb 7:12 says "For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law."

That included the Levitical priesthood in all of its aspects, including it's financial support system.

There is no support in scripture that tithing was required of Christians in any form. 

Such is a man made practice (that if full of many evils) that is not supported by scripture or history.

Once again from THE ZONDERVAN PICTORIAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE BIBLE, p. 758

"For several centuries in the Early Church there was no support of the clergy by a systematic giving of a tithe, rather freedom in Christian giving was emphasized."

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Religion / Re: Paying Of Tithes In Churches Today by seeker2: 1:14pm On Oct 30, 2007
Hello, I am new to the forum.  I do not see tithing mentioned in reference to Christian giving.  Rather I see Christian giving on a higher level, it is not based on a percentage, it is based on our heart.

1.  "according to what one has, and not according to what one does not have." 2 Cor 8:12 (no % here)
2.   "lay SOMETHING aside, storing up as he may prosper, " 1 Cor 16:1 (no % here)
3.  ", so let each one give as he purposes in his heart, "2 Cor 9:7 (no % here either)

Everything in the Bible is true, but not everything in the Bible is talking to me.  If I read Gen where God
COMMANDS the building of an ark and my wife comes home and finds Home Depot delivering pallets of Gopher wood, that would be silly, yes God commanded building an ark, but he was speaking to Noah, not to me.  Likewise Mal 3 was not written to Christians and binding a legalistic tithe on Christian giving (though done with good intentions) is a man made practice that I believe is not only unbiblical, but damaging to the Church.

No one in the Bible is ever command to give 10% of their gross income to anyone.

1. Abraham's tithe was a ONE TIME event.  It was not on his increase, but rather on the war plunder (Heb 7:4).  He had become wealthy yet there is no mention of him EVER giving a tithe of this increase to anyone.

2. The Mosaic tithe was always on things edible, notice Mal 3:10 "Bring the whole tithe into the storeroom that their may be FOOD in my house."  (They had money, but it was not tithed) Therefore the Mosaic tithe was ONLY on land owners that had produce of the fields and flocks.  Not everyone under the old covenant tithed, only land owners and only on their flocks and fields.
therefore, Jesus did not tithe, he was a carpenter
                 Paul did not tithe, he was a tent maker
                 Peter did not tithe, he was a fisherman

The reason for the Mosaic Lord's tithe was to feed the Levities as they owned NO land on which to grow their own crops or graze their own herds.  The Levitical priesthood has been abolished and so also the tithing that supported them.

All requirements for tithing were addressed to those BEFORE the establishment of the Church.  After the establishment of the Church, tithing is a non issue.

1.  No Christian is ever commanded to tithe.
2.  No Christian is ever corrected for not tithing.
3.  When Ananias lied and pretended to give all of the sale of is house, Peter did not tell him"why did you lie, all you were required to give is 10%."  This is an example of Christian monetary increase yet NO MENTION of the tithe.  Peter did not connect tithing with Christian giving and neither should we.   

Let me quote from THE ZONDERVAN PICTORAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE BIBLE, PAGE 758

"For several centuries in the Early Church there was no support of the clergy by a systematic giving of a tithe,   Rather, freedom in Christian giving was emphasized."

Let us do likewise.

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