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Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 9:43am On May 23, 2019 |
Maximus69:Of course the Jehovah's Witness Organisation is working hard to 1. Distort the word of truth by insertions and mistranslation 2. Leading simple men/women to the lake of fire. 3. Holding a form of Religion but denying the power therein |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 9:25am On May 23, 2019 |
Barristter07:You are still learning from your mentor Paul Joseph Goebbels ! Sinister! Doesn't "other" change the narrative? Why don't you use "other" in every other places at least we shall know that you are consistent! |
Politics / Re: Any Governor Saying He Can Tackle Insecurity Is Lying – Governor Darius Ishaku by shadeyinka5: 7:07am On May 23, 2019 |
Any governor can check insecurity. Abi, what is the monthly security vote meant for? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 6:47am On May 23, 2019 |
Why these Deliberate Misinformation? Please let's get the correct translation that is not misleading sincere believers. I call out again: @Maximus69 , Janosky , TATIME , Barristter07 , Cc: solite3 , alBHAGDADI, malvisguy212 , Please note the Differences in translation. Like someone is deliberately mistranslating a verse to say something else. A few pages ago, I showed us how Zech 12:9-11: was deliberately falsified to say something else than its supposed to say. Here is another one. The best excuse anyone of them has provided is that some other translation like RSV did the wrong translation too. Does that then make the NWT right? Let's Check out: JEHOVAH'S WITNESS TRANSLATION Col 1:15-16: 15 He is the image of the invisible God,m the firstborn of all creation;n 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,o whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. Compare with Rom11:36 36 Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen. NKJV TRANSLATION Col 1:15-16: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" b]Compare with[/b] Rom 11:36: "For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things : to whom be glory for ever. Amen." I have quoted Rom11:36 to show that the NWT is not even consistent in the use of the word all other for panta I have the screen shot of greek-english interlinear translation of verses 15 and 16. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1-15.htm https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1-16.htm Also attached is the frequency of occurrence of the word panta. The word pants occurs 265 times in the Greek and never once was it translated as other things Sample usage attached: https://biblehub.com/greek/panta_3956.htm The various shades of panta include. Please note that none has the word other as part of the translation. To Him All All And all In Everything All things You everything To Him All But All To you all Everything For all things Every For All Of All Everyone Whosoever Whole To all But just as always, the NWT has to translate the bible according to the demand of watchtower organisation Doctrine. Who is AFRAID of the TRUTH!? 2 Likes
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Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 5:15am On May 23, 2019 |
Janosky:What a defence! Don't you know that a thief is a Thief! It doesn't matter if he isn't the only one as you have claimed. A false translation is a false translation: it doesn't matter who did the translation, it will still be a fraudulent translation. Did I not show you the Hebrew interlinear translation? Your organisation should be apologizing for its Deliberate Deception of JWs rather than saying we aren't the only one who have committed this grave error (in your own case deliberate misinformation and misdirection). A righteous man will apologize when he discovers his error. Prov 28:13: "He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy." |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 10:08pm On May 22, 2019 |
Maximus69:For any organisation that wouldn't have shame to edit Zech 12:10: "And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." To read what they hoped it would be: they are ready to forge a lie and distort the word of truth! |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 9:23pm On May 22, 2019 |
Maximus69: 144000÷8000000= 1.8% if ALL of you are born again But this is what the Scriptures say (even though I know you wouldn't read it) Rev 7:9-17: "After this I beheld, and, see, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes , and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sits on the throne, and to the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, be to our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying to me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and from where came they? And I said to him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sits on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the middle of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them to living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." As you can see, you aren't part of this either! 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 9:03pm On May 22, 2019 |
Maximus69:But since you are certainly not one of the 144,000 these Scripture does not apply to you Rom 8:9,11: "But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. … But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you." Eph 4:5: "One Lord, one faith, one baptism," 1Cor 12:13: "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body , whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." If the Scriptures doesn't apply to you, we know who you are 2Cor 11:14-15: "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 8:44pm On May 22, 2019 |
Maximus69:The fruit of the Holy Spirit is different from false humility and false righteousness. It is the outward living that the indwelling Holy Spirit produce produce in a person who has been sealed by the Holy Spirit. Don't forget that the Pharisees were experts in this kind of self Righteousness! |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 7:46pm On May 22, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:I honestly don't understand how people can self invent lies to conform with their believes. Can you see how conveniently they ignored discussing Zechariah 12:10 On that Scripture alone ALL they preach and teach falls down like a pack of cards. Only God knows how many deliberate lies and mistranslations are in their NWT. |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 7:18pm On May 22, 2019 |
Maximus69: Please check the bolded! Dan 2:37-38: " You, O king, are a king of kings : for the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wherever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven has he given into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all. You are this head of gold." |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 7:14pm On May 22, 2019 |
Maximus69: Rom 8:9: "But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 3:52pm On May 22, 2019 |
OkCornel:Antispam bots don't give reasons. And I didn't copy from one thread to another. It seems not to just like me responding to a particular post of maximus69 |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 3:48pm On May 22, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:I perfectly agree with you. You ask them a question, they avoid it and load you with their preconceived ideas. It seams they don't even read what is presented before them. |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 3:46pm On May 22, 2019 |
Maximus69:My point is if God has never used you by His Spirit, then, you either 1. Don't know Him and He doesn't know you OR 2. Your faith in Him and His ability is zero 3. You are not sealed by His Spirit |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 3:42pm On May 22, 2019 |
Jozzy4: Sorry, before I entertain this, answer my query of Zechariah 12:10 |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 3:37pm On May 22, 2019 |
Maximus69:In adequate faith! |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 3:35pm On May 22, 2019 |
Barristter07:If you had answered my question, we will not be going through your pre-recorded script. If what is born of the spirit is invisible like God, when did the apostles get born again and did they become spirits? Jesus of course wasn't saying on is born again after dying was he? Barristter07:If you had answered the question: who was Peter speaking to? You'll not be repeating your rehearsal. Rev 7:9-11: "After this I beheld, and, see, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sits on the throne, and to the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God," 1. Where were these great multitude? Heaven or Earth? 2. Where is the Throne of God? Heaven or Earth? Barristter07: Rev 21:2-4: "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Did I call them spirits? Heb 8:1: "Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;" Rev 4:2: "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Rev 16:17: "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done." Rev 20:11: "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." Please answer the above Question! |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 2:54pm On May 22, 2019 |
Barristter07: Note the @bolded, we shall need it later. Barristter07:I said did God breath the breath of life into animals too? Isn't that just saying that everything that is alive died? Barristter07: Barristter07:Then what did Jesus mean when He said: Mat 10:28: "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Jesus seem to be saying that as the body has life, so the soul has life. The best a human being can do is to kill the body BUT God can after killing the body put the the soul in hell. Or what's the difference between what God can do and what a man can do? Barristter07: Luk 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into your hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." Jesus didn't go to heaven (either physically or Spiritually) He was only saying that He entrust his spirit to Gods care (I am sure you aren't looking at the literal hands of God). 1Pet 3:19: "By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;" 1Pet 4:6: "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." Jesus went to preach to the spirit that were dead. Please how come? The dead are not supposed to be conscious! 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka5: 2:03pm On May 22, 2019 |
Barristter07: The anti spam bots have banned my main Monika shadeyinka! I don't know why! I think it doesn't change anything. I was just curious if Nebuchadnezzar is a person and he is the head of Gold, would the other part of the bodies represents kings who will rule kingdoms or not.? |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 9:19pm On May 19, 2019 |
Tayeni:Experience is the best teacher they say! Let Atheists hold on to their incomplete knowledge You didn't get me: A robot cannot out perform its given sensors even with the most advanced AI |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 4:46pm On May 19, 2019 |
LordReed:Which is your permanent reality! |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 4:38pm On May 19, 2019 |
LordReed:It is settled! |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 4:31pm On May 19, 2019 |
LordReed:Which is irrevocably your permanent reality! |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 4:28pm On May 19, 2019 |
Tayeni:Have you ever wondered and consider that AI (no matter how advanced) can never exceed the capability of the sensors attached? I guess your eyes are opened and you know everything including the fact that God doesn't exist. I don't claim that I know everything. I know only the things God has given me capacity to know and still growing everyday. By the time you do your infinite regression back to eternity, you'll discover that every law and rule fail completely. What started the universe operates on non-physical rules. Unfortunately, with Physical rules and laws, mortal men who know everything claim God isn't real. What else can I say! |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 3:12pm On May 19, 2019 |
LordReed:A Story that silenced you! |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 2:42pm On May 19, 2019 |
LordReed:I have told you. What other answer you you want? shadeyinka5:What does of course mean? |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 2:26pm On May 19, 2019 |
LordReed:Of course. That's why they would ask for something extraordinarily spectacular to believe they have a creator. Their normal questions would be: If humans are real, 1. How many Terabytes of memory powers their CPU 2. Are humans battery powered or they are plugged to the mains? 3. If humans are real, how come no one has seen them? Now, when you mention that humans leave both heat and auditory signatures, their arguments would be like 1. It has been proven that brute animals and machines also give heat signatures! 2. We have tried to decode the machine language used by humans. All we find is random noise signatures. Our Scientists have analysed the voices, it doesn't conform to binary arithmetic. 3. If humans truly exist, let them come and show themselves! |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 2:04pm On May 19, 2019 |
Tayeni:Sorry! Some Human beings are BLIND. This doesn't confer any lower intelligence to them. There is no AI that can be compared to man's IQ. Hence, part of their attributes does not include direct visual perception. Yes very intelligent and self aware. Your @Bolded couldn't have been more wrong. Man can touch and have all visual, auditory, electronic ...perception of his robot BUT the Robot is limited by his senses which disallows direct visual and direct auditory perception of humans. |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 2:00pm On May 19, 2019 |
LordReed:Heat signature is heat signature! It simply means they can detect the temperature difference in a particular space by which they can infer a presence of a thing or personality. |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 12:10pm On May 19, 2019 |
LordReed:If you don't understand simple English, detecting heat signatures or sound sound doesn't imply a direct remote perception of the humans who give off his heat or sound signatures. |
Religion / Re: Would you spare an atheist robot? by shadeyinka5: 12:07pm On May 19, 2019 |
Tayeni:Every robot is given attributes that the builder decides! If the builder likes, the robot would be self propelling and if he likes, he makes the robot immobile. The fact that higher technologies exist does not matter! |
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