@balthasar
u sound like a std of lenin or karl max
are u?

secondly

at least you seem to be a rationalist
rationally you should know that you dont judge a religion by its people
but the people by the religion.
the scholars of islam say it is prohibited to smoke or take any intoxicant be it cocaine or heroine
based on the statement of the prophet "no harm should be brought on oneself"

am sure u did social studies so you will know that
religion is usually defined as "the way of life"
be it God related or not
God wants us to live a particular way and that way of life he wants us to live is a rreligion
you want us to live a particular way,ie do good keep away from evil
that is also a religion
but i ask you the question, who will define what is good and what is bad.
rationally and realistically(pardon my expression) what may be good to me (eg tetragamy)may be bad to you and vice versa
so that is why islam tells us that the mans brain cannot decide what is good and bad but the supreme ONE
that created it.
HE only has the right to define what values we should live by
only him should we submitted to, if we submit to other than him it will be enslavement.
HE doesnt want us to submit and enslave ourselfs to other than Himself
for He only deserves that submission.
hope u understand
lastly
if many wifes is a problem which denotes the man is responsible taking care of his family and raising them hopefully educated to live civilized lifes
what of many girlfriends that give birth to many bastards that turn to area boys and thugs and thieves that
destroy the society
you want to live in

RING RING "WRESTLING MATCH BTW gOD AND JACOB, AND gOD DID OJOOROO
(touch am for where in no suppose to touch am) anyway jacoubu still win"


Text: Genesis 32:24-32.
24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day (at first jacoubu no no say na god im dey fight because of the darkness of the night).
25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh(ojooroo); and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh (god dey beg). And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me
27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: because you have fought  with God and with men and have prevailed.”(na like so the papa of the children of israel get im name after im win)
29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel (historical landmark) for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved(after decking am ie god).
31 And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh. 32 Therefore the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day: because he touched the hollow of Jacob's thigh in the sinew that shrank(in remembrance of the wonderfull wrestling match)."

@neo
you still claiming ur scripture did not lead to the killing of people
and what of this

1 Samuel 15:3 (King James Version)

3Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

again i repeat
what a vivle, book of instructions and righteousness
2 Timothy 3:16 states:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

@putid logic

vagina has semen go to wikipedia and see the talks on female ejaculation

Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies


1     tn The noun שֹׁרֶר (shorer) is a hapax legomenon, appearing in the OT only here. There is debate whether it means “navel” or “vulva”: (1) Lys and Pope suggest that שֹׁרֶר is related to Arabic srr (“secret place, pudenda, coition, fornication”). They suggest that this is contextually supported by three factors: (a) His descriptive praise of her is in ascending order, beginning with her feet and concluding with her hair. The movement from her thighs (7:1b), to her vulva (7:2a), and then to her waist (7:2b) would fit this. (b) The descriptive comparison to a glass of wine would be grotesque if her navel were in view – her navel was moist or filled with liquid? – but appropriate if her vulva were in view. (c) The navel would be a somewhat synonymous reference to the belly which is already denoted by בִּטְנֵךְ (bitnekh, “belly”) in the following line.


this is what your scholars discuss about the verse check online


@putrid logic
whos more sex maniac me or the vivle?
talking of womens vagina and climbing on to palm trees to hold them boboos

and king davidyliars namesake in your vivles story

2 Samuel 11: 1-27 :



And it came to pass, after the year was expired, at the time when kings go forth to battle, that David sent Joab, and his servants with him, and all Israel; and they destroyed the children of Ammon, and besieged Rabbah. But David tarried still at Jerusalem. 2 And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon. 3 And David sent and inquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? 4 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house. 5 And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I am with child.

and you know what, if you feel like raping a girl and have her(eat your cake and have it) just follow the instructions of Deuteronomy 22:25-29 but make sure shes virgin for if she was not you might be killed ie if caught

25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her

28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

just pay off the dad and u are fine

and also how the daughthers of lot had a field day with their dad


"One day the older daughter said to her sister, "There isn't a man anywhere in this entire area for us to marry. And our father will soon be too old to have children. Come, let’s get him drunk with wine, and then we will sleep with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father." So that night they got him drunk, and the older daughter went in and slept with her father. He was unaware of her lying down or getting up again.
"The next morning the older daughter said to her younger sister, "I slept with our father last night. Let’s get him drunk with wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him. That way our family line will be preserved." So that night they got him drunk again, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. As before, he was unaware of her lying down or getting up again. So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father." (Genesis 19:23-25, 30-36 , NLT)

what a vivle book of instructions and righteousness
2 Timothy 3:16 states:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

where are the people critising our paradise(davidyLIAR, MR T's girl frnd etc )
like the joker said "your balls droped"

@neotic
  in the new testament of 2 Timothy 3:16 states:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
be it OT or NT
yes we know the bible was not written by God
it was authored by men inspired by your vivivlical god(like the books of mathew mark luke and john)
i wander was solomon able to concentrate on the revelation he was recieving(or you want to claim it was from his head) when he was told

that vaginas tasted like wine

and i ask again how did their vivivlical god know this? and i add
is this the kind of things ur vivivlical god inspires

you guys call it za HOLY vivle
is everything in it  no more holy(ie godly are you trying to say)
stop all this evasive action neo, go back to your matrix ,trinity can not help you dodge this bullet

“Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion”

[al-Baqarah 2:120]

“They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another)”

[al-Nisa’ 4:89]

But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"

davidylair
well i think the answer is simply
let us ask the bible itself, the word of their god


where it is stated that "women's vagina taste like wine, Song of Songs 7/1-4, 8-9,

how did god know that women's private parts taste like wine?
i leave the answer to u


here is the full jist of the sex loving vivivlical god


Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."

She wished if he was her brother so that she wouldn't have to take him home in secret. Now if he was truly her husband, then what would prompt her to wish that he was her brother? Were husbands back then not allowed to live with their wives? If so, how did they then consummate and have children and raise generations and societies? Were they allowed to live with each others for a while?

Let us look at Song of Solomon 8:10 "Dear brothers, I'm a walled-in virgin still, but my breasts are full— And when my lover sees me, he knows he'll soon be satisfied."

She is a virgin with full swelling breasts. When her lover meets her, he will be satisfied from those swelling breasts! Obviously, she is referring to licking, sucking and other pornographic things that I can't mention here. Believe me this verse is not talking about them worshiping GOD Almighty together when they meet!! It is clearly and indisputably referring to graphic sex that involves her swelling breasts and other things such as intercourse.


Let us look at Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies."

Let us look at Song of Songs 1:13 "My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts."

Praising the bed that they had sex on: Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant"

Let us look at Song of Songs 1:2-4 "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love (i.e., semen) more than wine. How right they are to adore you!" I don't think this would be appropriate for a kid under 18 to read. Also, I don't think it is appropriate to have such open sexuality in a divine book anyway.

His right arm sexually feeling her body: Let us look at Song of Songs 2:6 "His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me."

Let us look at Song of Songs 3:4 "Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother's house, to the room of the one who conceived me." So in other words, she was not married to him, and when she found him, she took him back to her bed room to have illegal sex with him? If she were married to him, she wouldn't take him to her "mother's house". She would take him to their house.
Showing off her breasts and vagina to him:

Sleeping with his sister:
Let us look at Song of Songs 5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe (i.e., she showed his breasts and vagina to him. Underwears and bras didn't exist back then!) must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him."
What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister and/or about her brother like that!!

Let us look at Song of Songs 5:8
"O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you-- if you find my lover, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love." Teaching women to be sexually too open.

His sister's vagina tastes like "wine":

"How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns , twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.

praise the living,
,
I said 'I will climb the palm tree(wow); I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)"

@neotic
my my, he's red hot dont u think
just give me a biblical verse and prove me wrong
note neotic or is it poetic justice
u have to be just
people ask for evidence when the story or claim that is heard is being contemplated to be true(i hope this is your status)
so they need a little bit of proof from the claimant to accertain if his claims are true or otherwise
well your request is not new
when the people of God bought messages fromthe most high
the people  requested proof from them to back up their claim
and they were given miracles, so
as regards quranic verses then here we are:

Ayah 136: Surah Al-Baqarah
We believe in God, and in that which has been bestowed from on high upon us, and that which has been bestowed upon Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and ,their descendants, and that which has been vouchsafed to Moses and Jesus; and that which has been vouchsafed to all the [other] prophets by their Sustainer: we make no distinction between any of them. And it is unto Him that we surrender our will as muslims."
Ayah 133: Surah Al-Baqarah
Nay, but you [yourselves, O children of Israel,] bear witness that when death was approaching Jacob, he said unto his sons: "Whom will you worship after I am gone?" They answered: "We will worship thy God, the God of thy forefathers Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, the One God; and unto Him we surrender ours will as muslims."
Ayah 132: Surah Al-Baqarah
And this very thing did Abraham bequeath unto his children, and [so did] Jacob: "O my children! Behold, God has granted you the purest faith; so do not allow death to overtake you unless you have surrendered yourselves unto Him as muslims

as regards killing non belivers

then check your bible where

the king of peace ordered
Luke 22:36

He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

to do what with swords


and also
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. (Luke 12:49-53)


If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:26)

And the related Gospel of Thomas 16 (non-canonical) (SV) reads:

"Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."


"All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)"

Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"


The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children, "

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man, Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.



The Story of King Ahab is told in three books of the Bible. These are 1 Kings, 2 Kings and 2 Chronicles. These are books that your Sunday school teacher will not recommend that you read. Here is the story of what happened to the 70 sons of King Ahab, as told in 2 Kings 10:6-11:
"6 Then he [King Jehu] wrote a letter the second time to them saying, If ye be mine, and if ye will hearken unto my voice, take ye the heads of the men your master's sons, and come to me to Jezreel by tomorrow this time. Now, the king's sons, being seventy persons, were with the great men of the city, which brought them up.
"7 And it came to pass, when the letter came to them, that they took the king's sons, and slew seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent him them to Jezreel.
"8 And there came a messenger, and he told him saying, They have brought the heads of the king's sons. And he said lay them in two heaps at the entering in of the gate until the morning.
"9 And it came to pass in the morning that he went out, and stood, and said to all the people, Ye be righteous: Behold I conspired against my master and slew him, but who slew all these?
"10 Know now that there shall fall to the earth nothing but the word of the LORD, which the Lord spake concerning the house of Ahab: For the Lord hath done which he spake by his servant Elijah.
"11 So Jehu slew all that remained of the house of Ahab in Jezreel, and all his great men, and his kinfolk, and his priests, until he left him none remaining."
Inspiring, isn't it. Perhaps you should ask your Sunday school teacher to read this to the class next Sunday. See if she does. See if she even knows about this passage in the Bible. (Most Sunday school teachers have never read it.)


hope this is enough

and lastly do not go to this site if you cant with stand the site of blood and massacre

that the present civilized people are perpetuating in the name of the crusade
http://www.awitness.org/journal/holy_war_jihad_bible.html

dadde
we believe you 2 b a rational being
check wikipedia

Allah=God

go to google translate
translate from english to arabic and
type in God it gives you الله
(Allah)

what s the deception you are talking about

the Quran is filled with names and praises of the personalilties mentioned by me above
saying they were all loyal servants of the most high doing the will of God(Allah)
God is the diety that created everything
the Arabs call him Allah
the yorubas call him olohun
the hausas call him ubangidi
the ibos call him chineke
the english call him God
the hebrews call him eloi or elohim
Armorian, Teuti

Assyrian, Eleah

Celtic, Diu

Chaldaic, Eilah

Cretan, Thios

Chinese, Prussa

Coromandel, Brama

Danish, Gut

Dutch, Godt

Egyptian (old), Teut

Egyptian (modern), Teun

English, God

Finch, Jumala

Flemish, Goed

French, Dieu

German, Gott

German (old), Diet

Greek, Theos

Gallic, Diu

Hebrew, Elohim, Eloha

Hindoostanee, Rain

Japanese, Goezur

Irish, Dia

Italian, Dio

Language Name of God

Madagascar, , Zannar

Malay, Alla

Norwegian, Gud

Latin, Deus

Low Latin, Diex

Low Breton, Done

Lapp , , Jubinal

Olalu Tongue, Deu

Old Saxon, God

Peruvian, Puchecammae

Persian, Sire

Pannonian, Istu

Polish, Bog

Pollacca, Bung

Portuguese, Debs

Provencal, Diou

Runic, , As

Russian, Bojh

Spanish, Dios

Swedish, Gut

Slav, Buch

Swiss, Gott

Syriac, Allah

Tartar, Magatal

Turkish, Allah

Zemblain, Fetizo


should i go on,

first of all who is a muslim
a muslim is anyone who submits to the will of God
so amongst mankind Adam was the first muslim also note
all the prophets where also muslims ie from noah to abraham to jesus to mohammed
all were muslims because all submitted to the will of God.
yes jesus was and is a muslim just like mohammed
he preached for the will of God be done on earth as it is in the heavens
and that is islam. submitting to the will of God.
never in the bible did jesus call us to be christians
there is no verse in the bible that states that jesus says one should become christian
or jesus calling to christianity.

u narcotic or is it neotic slowpoke

everyone wants to get sexually involved with young girls and not old ones

a peodophile is not only to be sexually attracted to CHILDREN (ur definition being false)but it is also a mental disorder that is generally used to describe those accused or convicted of the sexual abuse of a minor, younger than the local age of consent.

the prophet (saw) was married to aisha, how can one be pedeophilic to your legally married wife.
secondly the prophet was married to other women some with children and some older than him, some widowed etc if he was sexually attracted to children like you potray it, all of his wifes would have been reported to be kids i bet u do not have the good heart of marrying someone older that you with kids like the prophet did. slowpoke.

thirdly the fact that you post in the segment where people are trying to remenisce the hadeeth of the prophet shows the level of your home training, mental stability and educational enlightment.


better return to your bible that preaches that the men of (ur)god
had sex with their daughters(we muslis reject this)
Genesis 19:30-36

Lot and His Daughters
Afterward Lot left Zoar because he was afraid of the people there, and he went to live in a cave in the mountains with his two daughters.


"One day the older daughter said to her sister, "There isn't a man anywhere in this entire area for us to marry. And our father will soon be too old to have children. Come, let’s get him drunk with wine, and then we will sleep with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father." So that night they got him drunk, and the older daughter went in and slept with her father. He was unaware of her lying down or getting up again.
"The next morning the older daughter said to her younger sister, "I slept with our father last night. Let’s get him drunk with wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him. That way our family line will be preserved." So that night they got him drunk again, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. As before, he was unaware of her lying down or getting up again. So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father." (Genesis 19:23-25, 30-36 , NLT)

the main question be is
the ONE who directed you first to put on the hijab how will he treat you
that should be the main concern and better if it is the only concern
"the most respected in the site of Allah is the pious ones"
ie those that are following the commandments and leaving off disobedience,

when u gain Allahs respect, u gain jibrils respect, then the rest of the angels, then that of humans then that of the ocean dwellers

what else can you ask for