honesttalk21:


1. I didn't say it's o.k to call Allah father. There is definitely a misunderstanding in your perception of what is said.

2. I didn't claim that but indeed you and I's existence and ability to propagate is a miracle.

3. You tried to redefine not me without considering the multiplicity of the meaning of Abd. This I showed you or didn't I?

Did Zachariah a.s give his son a name or Allah had named his offspring before his birth?

Allah truly has many names. Some he has revealed to mankind and some he has withheld.

What name did God tell Zachariah to give his son. That's my question. No need for rhetoric
If you believe God is YWH, no need to answer the question.
But if not, then U need to have a open heart to see that your believe as a Muslim is based on very shallow and poor theology.

honesttalk21:


You better show me the things you say I fabricated first

1. Trying to say it's ok to call Allah father so long as it's metaphorical
2. Trying to claim baby in the fetus is a Koranic miracle.
3. Trying to redefine what slave of Allah meant.

Now a sweet the question.
What's the name zachariah gave his son when he was born.
U can ignore the above question if U accept God's name is YWH.

honesttalk21:


Expanse2020 don't let them drag you into apparently abusing an honoured prophet. That really must be their aim

Nobody is abusing anyone here. That I disagree with U doesn't mean I should disrespect u.
But that doesn't mean we should not say the truth and expose Fraud.
You Muslims have been doing that to Paul and we Christians didnt take it personal.

Help your friend close the case.

what name did Zachariah call his son when he was born. It's is a simple question.

Expanse2020:

Mumu
You forgot that the semantic language in the middle east are the Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic and now compare there pronunciation in their verb words if there are mere difference

Mumu be saying Oyo, Ibadan and Ogbomosho yoruba are much different in speaking

Hehehe🤣😆😅😂
Expanse has turned to linguistic expert in middle east Semitic languages.
Someone I doubt can even read an Arabic newspaper.

Mr Man answer my question. Tell us the name Zechariah called his son. That's what I want to know.

Mumu who has zero knowledge of ancient linguistic history.
During the time of Jesus, the common language in Judea was aramaic, most Jews couldn't speak Hebrew. They have to go to religious schools to learn Hebrew. That U could speak Aramaic doesn't automatically mean u will understand hebrew.....not to talk of one primitive desert language called Arabic.

Mr Man, Islam has been exposed as fraud. Tell us the name Zechariah called his son when he was born, say it loud and expose your false prophet.

honesttalk21:



What did I fabricate or forge? I see indeed that birds of a feather flock together.

Slaves of Allah
Medical miracle in the koran
Insisting ISA is Jesus when evidence prove contrary.

Anyway forget the above. Let's start on a clean slate.
I want to show u Islam lacks sound theology. The theology in the Koran is very poor.


Do U believe Allah's name is YAHWEH.

Expanse2020:

Why did you want to kill yourself is the christian bearing Yahaya

Why is a prophet of Allah bearing the name
'My Elohim is Yahweh'.

What's the name Zechariah gave his son. Pls note that they are Jews and speak no Arabic.
So what's the actual name of his son.

U think U smart, I go use u wash floor. U and that your false religion that lacks sound theology.

Expanse2020:

So helijah is helija in Arabic😂😂🤣🤣🤣 Arabic bà

In Islam Yahaya mean Allah is gracious or merciful
So don't mix lie together and if you consider the Jew Yahweh toor it's suite

But your Yahweh na idol OOO read more



History never lied🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣
READ MORE FROM HERE

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism

I had Jesus was cursed from God too
Is it true

Abi this guy na imb.ecile.
Is Elijah or John the baptist Arabs
Are they Hebrew by birth or Arabs.
So if we want to find the meaning of their names, are we going to look into Hebrew etymology or Arab etymology.

Lots of yorubas bear bakare, busari, Hassan, Ahmed.
If we want to find the meaning of their names are we going to look into yoruba language?

Seriously U are a waste of time, U don't have what it takes to debate here.

Expanse2020
Incase U don't know...
Elijah mean My God is YAHWEH
and
Yahaya mean YAHWEH is merciful.

So the question is why are prophets of Allah bearing pagan names and why is Allah calling them by that such names.

I can imagine Allah calling the prophet ' My God is Yahweh'
expanse, how does that sound to U?

Walahi, Islam is a scam. The biggest conglomeration of zombies bound together by violence and intolerance, yet told they are slaves to their deity.

I keep saying it there's no theology in the Koran. None.

That's why intelligent Muslims like honesttalk are busy fabricating and forging theology for Islam because they know there's none.
Expanse2020 na mumu, he's too dull to do exegesis forgery for the Koran not to talk of theology.

Expanse2020:


Did you know Yahweh was a pagan God who consist of 3 in 1 God
Have you read about Zeus)Eassus

So U dont believe in YAHWEH? U don't believe God of the bible is Yahweh?
Is that what U saying ?

Do U believe in Elijah? He's called Ilyas in the Koran.

Expanse2020:

Tell me is the spirit also the same as the Angel

Ask your Koran,.do t ask me.
All answers I brought here were written by Muslims like u. No non Muslim co tributed.

All I want to know is why are Muslims generating different answers from the same thing in your Koran.....who is the holy spirit- we have 4 different answers.

Koran is a clear book indeed. 😂🤣😅😆

Expanse2020:

Eheneh tell me more there is holy spirit in Islam
I want to learn óò😂😂😂😂😂

Another one. Holy spirit is angel Gabriel.
Expanse is saying holy spirit is a pure soul.

That should be the 4th answer today. Who is right? Sunni, Shia,, suffi or expanse

TenQ won't U come to the rescue. The bloke I debating doesn't even know his own Koran. He's waste of valuable time.

At least honesttalk is trying, he attempts to formulate non existent theology in islam.
At least he's trying, honesttalk has read the Koran and knows that the theology in Koran is very poor...so he's trying to generate theology for Islam.

This expanse ma olodo. He knows nothing. Ordinary who is the holy spirit, he's struggling. What if I take him on bigger exegesis.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/14403

Expanse2020:


Where did you see holy spirit in Quran 😂😂😂😂😂
Tell me where you and the Sunni sat down and concluded that Jubril A.S is the holy spirit
And where you and Shiite sat and concluded that holy spirit is in the Quran
When you check Quran the second chapter, Your and you are looking for is there. You just need to read to acquire knowledge
Empty head🤣😂😂🤣🤣

Hehe😅😂🤣Confusion galore in the mosque...
Who will help solve the confusion. Who will settle the disagreement b4 they start stabbing themselves.

TenQ won't U volunteer and reveal to Muslims who holy spirit truly is. Since the so called clear book has only created more confusion.

Abi U go wait until they kill each other finish on top who got it right.
U know these Muslims don't joke with violence.

Expanse2020:


Where did you see holy spirit in Quran 😂😂😂😂😂
Tell me where you and the Sunni sat down and concluded that Jubril A.S is the holy spirit
And where you and Shiite sat and concluded that holy spirit is in the Quran
When you check Quran the second chapter, Your and you are looking for is there. You just need to read to acquire knowledge
Empty head🤣😂😂🤣🤣

Whereas Shia disagree that holy spirit is angel Gabriel. Holy spirit in the same koran, a supposed clear book giving 2 different answers.

In fact the Sufi Muslims has another meaning for holy spirit in the Koran. Those one call it the immortal self.

Hehe😅😂🤣Confusion galore in the mosque...
Who will help solve the confusion. Who will settle the disagreement b4 they start stabbing themselves.


https://slife.org/holy-spirit-in-islam/

Expanse2020:


Where did you see holy spirit in Quran 😂😂😂😂😂
Tell me where you and the Sunni sat down and concluded that Jubril A.S is the holy spirit
And where you and Shiite sat and concluded that holy spirit is in the Quran
When you check Quran the second chapter, Your and you are looking for is there. You just need to read to acquire knowledge
Empty head🤣😂😂🤣🤣

slowpoke U don't know anything about your Koran, U don't even understand anything about the religion.
Imagine challenging me on who named the holy spirit angel Gabriel.
The average Muslims knows nothing about the Koran, they don't even read it.
The only thing in expanse brain is to kill anyone that insults muhammed. That's all he knows about islam.
That's the only thing he reads in the koran- kill the infidels.

Now here's what the Sunni Muslims call holy spirit.

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=128533489][/quote]

So this slowpoke cannot tell us who existed first btw Moses or Abraham.
U have to go and check in a so called corrupt book for the answer.
What if the corrupt book was lying and gave the wrong answer.
I thought the Koran was meant to be the quality control when reading the bible.
So how would U know if bible is correct when Koran is clueless about the question.

I repeat u have to be a slowpoke to believe the Koran is the word of Allah. Even a primary school pupil will
write a better theology.

petesunday:
There is a video of Navalny or his aide asking the CIA for 20 million dollars to start a revolution in Russia. Navalny is also a bloody fascist who hates the minorities of Russia and called them cockroaches. He is a nobody in Russia and was arrested for treason with evidence. If someone is caught in America collecting money from Russians to disrupt elections he will be arrested. NAVALNY is not even popular in Russia.The only reason western media is promoting him is because he is serving western interests.

Produce the video.

Expanse2020:

I know you are daft..
If you read Quran you will know who Allah first created and who first landed on this Earth
Then you will know when Moses came too..
Where did you see holy spirit in Quran 😂😂😂😂😂
Tell me where you and the Sunni sat down and concluded that Jubril A.S is the holy spirit
And where you and Shiite sat and concluded that holy spirit is in the Quran
When you check Quran the second chapter, Your and you are looking for is there. You just need to read to acquire knowledge
Empty head🤣😂😂🤣🤣

This dumb guy didn't even understand my question.

I'm not asking U who first landed on this earth.

I'M ASKING YOU WHO WAS ANCESTOR OF THE OTHER?
WAS ABRAHAM THE ANCESTOR OF MOSES OR MOSES THE ANCESTOR OF ABRAHAM.
THIS IS MY QUESTION..DUMB.

give me a clear verse/passage in the Koran that shows who was the ancestor of the other.

For example this verse in the bible makes it clear who existed first btw Moses and Abraham.

Exodus 3
When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”

And Moses said, “Here I am.”

5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” 6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father,[a] the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.

Here God was talking to Moses and told him He is the God of Abraham. This shows Abraham existed b4 Moses.

Now go to your Koran and bring me a clear verse or passage that shows Abraham existed b4 Moses.
That's what I want to see.

Expanse2020:

Ehen so tell me every Muslim always read bible before reading Quran 😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
I will like you to proof it to me óò
Who came first óò you may enlightening me if it is Moses OOO😂🤣🤣🤣
Abraham came first Abi you see another verse that said Moses was the first man in your own Quran too, 🤣🤣🤣🤣
We hear every Xtians are now getting There own copy of the Quran t😂😂😂😂

So U cannot give me a single verse in the Qur'an that makes it clear Abraham existed b4 Moses. Just one.

So then the question now is how did U know Abraham came b4 Moses?
From the bible?....so U believed the words of a corrupt book to know which one of the patriarch of banu Israeli came first.

Ladies and gentlemen this is why Islam makes no sense.
It lacks clear, detailed and sound theology, it's doctrines are inconsistent.
Koran is meant to be a complete book but U need to read the bible b4 the stories in the Koran can make sense.

Koran claim it's a clear book. Yet different sects of islam can't agree on what exactly is the holy spirit.
Sunmi say holy spirit is angel Michael while shia insists it's the spirit of God.
Both Sunni and Shia read about the holy spirit in the same koran which claims to be clear yet arrives different conclusion on the holy spirit.
I keep saying it, U have to lose your brain or play dumb to be a Muslim.

Maynmaynmayn:

Credulity.
The same scriptures that is inspired by yahweh don't agree with each other 😂

Stop quoting me I don't want to talk to u
As u can see, this thread was sane and lively when U were away.

LordReed:


LoLz. Ok name 5 core beliefs of Christianity.

The core beliefs of christianity consist of what is needed to attain salvation thru Christ Jesus which is atonement, repentance and redemption; then gaining eternal life into the kingdom of God via grace.
Any other thing is secondary.

To achieve the above, a believer must accept
1. Jesus is the saviour of the world, he came to this world to redeem humanity and reconcile them back to God.
2. Jesus died, resurrected and ascended into heaven.
3. Salvation is only thru the precious blood of Jesus Christ and nothing else
5. Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father and U call upon God in his name.
6. The reward for following Jesus is eternal life and immortality in afterlife.
7. Above is possible because Jesus is the son of God which makes him divine.
A Christian must believe Jesus is the son of God and acknowledge the divinity that comes with the title.
Being son of God means Jesus is pre-existence, he's the same substance and divinity as the father. He's at the right hand of God which means he's of the same status and should be worshiped/honoured same way as the father.

Now everything I wrote here is in the bible and attested in Jesus own words.

The problem is some confusionist are going about looking for where Jesus said he's God in unambiguous term- whatever that means.
Unfortunately some Christians fall for the trap and ask the same naive question.
But it's ok, so long as a Christian acknowledge Jesus is the son of God and worship him as the eternal king of kings and Lord of lords, it's fine. Trinity is not jealous, your ignorance will be cured in heaven.

Jesus did not even come to the world to prove he's God in the first place. He didn't announce himself as God, that's something he want us to discover by our self.

So LordReed, did Bart Erhman said any of my highlighted point contradicted themselves in the textual manuscripts we have?
If not, then he's just a waste of time.

Claiming Christianity is a lie because the scriptures couldn't agree on the day Jesus was crucified or different numbers of people that saw Jesus after his resurrection seems to me like a attention seeking behaviour.

LordReed:


I tire for you too. Here you are trying to change the argument. The question was NOT if he exposed Christianity as fraud or false, it was do the discrepancies and changes affect core beliefs and the answer is a resounding YES. Not because they make the beliefs null and void rather because you can find manuscripts to support whatever interpretation you want.

The video I linked Bart says very clear Jesus never says he is god, does that not affect a core belief of Christianity?

BTW here's what Bart says on the question of the greek writers of the gospels.

Did U read his blog?
He made it clear the core belief of Christianity is not affected by textual variants. He expressed that statement clearly.

Not all Christians belief Jesus is God...have U heard of Unitarian Christians?
Not all Christians believe in the trinity, purgatory, infant baptism.
Above are not core Christian beliefs. They are not requirement for our salvation.
But all Christians believe Jesus is divine.
All Christians believe Jesus is the son of God. Believing jesus is the son of God is what makes him God in the first place.
All Christians believe in his virgin birth, he's the saviour of the world, his death, resurrection and ascension.
The above are the core message of the gospel and the faith. The textual variants didn't negate any of this.

Not believing in trinity doesn't make u an unbeliever. It only shows u don't have a full understanding of who God is.
U are not destined for hell because u reject the trinity.

Bart Erhman discovered nothing. If U guys had been reading your bible as u listen to this atheist, U would have known they discovered nothing.

Or better still, engage some of us here on this questions, U would understand Christianity better.

LordReed2nd:


LMAO! I guess atheists have started asking you for 10% of your every income and the whole of your first income of the year and sacrificial seed and free will offerings every Sunday and freewill offering during WEEKLY meetings and free will offering during house fellowship. What a scam these atheists must be perpetrating on you.

Where is this evidence against atheism? As in evidence against not believing in a god? How does that work?

LMAO@"The Christian faith is the only one that is archeological, historical, logical and philosophical valid". Let us take history for example, when was the census of Quirinus and when did Herod die? Explain when Roman census started requiring people to travel to their home towns to be counted.

I got off the train 5½years now and have no single compulsion to get back on. There's nothing I miss that will ever drag me back to being a Christian. Even if I started worshipping Jesus again tomorrow I'd never be a Christian.

In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while[a] Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3 And everyone went to their own town to register.

Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the great who died 4BC. Quirinus became governor of Syria covering Judea in 6CE after the removal of one of Herod's son archeulas- this must have been 10 yrs after Jesus was born.

When Quirinus became governor, he conducted a census for taxation purpose in Judea region in 6CE. This census was well known in history because it elicited a Jewish revolt led by Judas of Galilee.

Now Luke wanted his readers to understand that the census he was referring to wasnt the popular one conducted in 6CE but an earlier one which was done few years prior.

It's been said Quirinus held administrative power in the Syria region prior to becoming governor as part of a dual governorship with Gaius Sentius Saturninus, the former holding military and the latter political power.

Luke 2.2 in greek koine could also mean ‘this was the registration before Quirinius was governor of Syria.’

This would mean that before the ‘famous’ AD 6 census of Quirinius, another one was carried out.

Qurinius wouldn't carry out anymore census after the disastrous one of 6CE. 'this the first census' mentioned in Luke 2.2 could only mean prior to 6CE which was during the reign of Herod the great.

budaatum:
Smartly, he collects 'tithes'.

https://ehrmanblog.org/register/

Na smart guy now. The fool and his money will soon part.
Don't worry, he's going to write another book soon to keep his sheepie happy....why Jesus is not superman.
Man must chop and fools must stay gullible.

LordReed:


Here is an even less ambiguous statement in a video from 7 months ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2STiabRV8TE?t=26

So no buddy Bart Ehrman did not say the changes to the text do not affect central Christian doctrine.

I don taya for your Mata.
Bart Erhman confirmed the core Christian beliefs do not change despite the different textual variants.

What's he's harping on is different theological interpretation of the doctrines which to me is not unexpected.
Christian denominations dont agree on same doctrines based on different interpretation of the scriptures. So what's the new thing he discovered?

The question is did he expose Christianity as fraud or false. The answer is no.
Has any atheist scholar come up with anything that depicts Christianity as fake? The answer is No

So if u lose your faith because the scriptures didn't agree on the day Jesus was crucified, then maybe Jesus didn't die for u in the first place.

Read his submission here on his own blog.

https://ehrmanblog.org/who-cares-do-the-variants-in-the-manuscripts-matter-for-anything/

Expanse2020:

Stop arguing and sturdy biology or anatomy precisely..

Go and learn my friend
Google is there for you to check the pictures of foetus, embryo sack, zygote and ask yourself how blood in your body is form

Allah answer
We have made in à best form
Glory be to Allah

Let's me open your eyes to the truth.
Honesttalk and ohyoudidn't, U can join and learn the truth.

Have U guys ever wondered why your miracle embryology in the Koran did not mention the female egg called ovary.


Muhammed spoke a lot about how the human is formed in the womb. The Koran is filled with verses described fetal development.
Yet Muhammed didn't mention the ovary which is as important as the sperm for fertilization and embryogenesis.
The miracle of Koran didn't know anything about the woman's egg that is needed for baby to be formed.

The Quran, in all its discussion of human reproduction, does not mention the role of the ovary, implying instead that reproduction is caused simply by storage and mingling of the male semen in the female womb.

Your almighty Allah was definitely deficient in knowledge not to know the ovary from the woman is necessary for a baby to be formed in the womb.

I have searched the whole of Koran from first to last chapter, I didn't see anything about the egg of a woman.
What a miracle book of fraud and deception.

Although visible to the human eye, the female egg is very small and unknown in the 7th century - this appears to explain its omission in the Quran.

Since the medical scholars in the 7th century didn't know anything about the ovary or female egg, Muhammed also did not know and that's why it's not in the Koran.
Allah didn't tell him anything.

Expanse2020, show me which stage of embryology can the fetus be described as congealed blood.

Muhammed heard nothing from God. He only regurgitated what was the common knowledge of his time and put it inside the Koran.

Below is Galen whose human embryology copyright Muhammed stole and claimed it's from Allah.

That's fraud in case u don't know.

Expanse2020:

Stop arguing and sturdy biology or anatomy precisely..

Go and learn my friend
Google is there for you to check the pictures of foetus, embryo sack, zygote and ask yourself how blood in your body is form

Allah answer
We have made in à best form
Glory be to Allah

Below are the embryonic stages of a human fetus.
Now show me which stage looks like congealed blood.

TenQ:

Its the new discovery by the Nobel Laurette Professor Mohammed Qutham ibn Abdullah : they found out through Allah that all Muslim men's sperm turn into congealed blood

Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

They have developed a second parallel theory:
1. The reproductive fluid of the woman comes from her top rib bones (around the necklace area)
2. The reproductive fluid of the woman is yellow and thin (That of the man is thick and white)

Qur'an 86:5-7
“So let man see from what he is created!
He is created from a water gushing forth
Proceeding from between the back-bone (of the man) (as-sulb) and the ribs (of the woman) (at-taraa’ib)”

This is what the apprentice of Prof Mohammed Qutham ibn Abdullah is trying to teach us now!

He couldn't tell us the name of the yellow fluid of the woman: neither has he been able to show how the fluid contribute to conception

Leave am. I will expose him as a quack now. He's not the first and won't be the last.

Expanse2020:


My answers also is in the Quran
k let start from the beginning for you
Everything from the QURAN

Al alaq (the clot) 1&2
Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed
blood:
Please find the meaning of clot/leech/ congealed blood you will need it later
At tarik 4-5
Now let man but think from what he is created!

He is created from a drop(a sperm) emitted-
. Proceeding from between the backbone (fluid connect our brains to the scrotum sack it control the stuff during the sex) and the ribs ( where woman fluid produced too during the sex)

Al Mumeen (the believer): 11-14
12. Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay);

13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;

14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;[/b] then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create

Notes
A single sperm required in most cases to fertilize a egg in women
Allah goes further ; Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
(the place of rest is a place where the fertilazation take place, firmly fixed at the wall of ovary you can check the ovary/ovum wall how it look like and where fertilization take place in Google...
The process of fertilization is called zygote and zygote happened in a sack which is called embryo development (which is foetus Allah Said

So looking at the zygote picture from Google it filled mainly by congele blood/ clot,leech it what the white man called zygote
does it answer your question
See the attached picture

At no stage in fertilization or embryology does a fetus look like a blood clot or concealed blood.
Stop the lie.
The blood clots that are seen in miscarriage is from the mother's womb.
That's why when pregnant women bleed. We specifically ask them if they have seen tissue because this is actually the fetus and it confirms miscarriage.
Blood clots only does not confirm miscarriage.

Lukuluku69:


So, the Prophet asked him to kill?

Please show me that and we can engage.

More, lie lie lukuluku69
The killing of asma bin marwat

The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) becomes a Kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. (Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16)

Asma bint Marwan wrote a poem against Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasalam) insulting him, Upon hearing the poem, Muhammad (Sallallahu alihi wa sallam) decided to have her executed.

Ibn Sa’d’s Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir describes the death of Asma bint Marwan:

“Then (occurred) the Sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the Hijrah of the apostle of Allah. Asma was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the Prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses.
When the apostle heard what she had said, he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?" `Umayr b. `Ady al-Khatami, who was with him, heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her.

Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the Prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: “Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?” He said: “Yes. Is there something more for me to do?” He [Muhammad] said: “No. Two goats will butt together about her.
This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him Umayr, “Basir” (the seeing).

Lukuluku69:


So, the Prophet asked him to kill?

Please show me that and we can engage.

Jesus!!!!

U people will do anything to exonerate your prophet.

What did your prophet do to the stupid blind man who killed his wife and the innocent baby? That all I want to know.

Lukuluku69:


Tell us if you know of any on the Command of the Prophet.

Oya......

A blind man had a female slave who had borne him a child (umm walad) who reviled the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and disparaged him, and he told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she paid no heed.

One night she started to disparage and revile the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he took a dagger and put it in her stomach and pressed on it and killed her. There fell between her legs a child who was smeared with the blood that was there.

The next morning mention of that was made to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he assembled the people and said: “I adjure by Allaah the man who did this to stand up.”

The blind man stood up and came through the people, trembling, and he came and sat before the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said: O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it. She used to revile you and disparage you, and I told her not to do it but she did not stop, and I rebuked her but she paid no heed. I have two sons from her who are like two pearls, and she was good to me. Last night she started to revile you and disparage you, and I took a dagger and placed it on her stomach and I pressed on it until I killed her.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bear witness that no retaliation is due for her blood.”


(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Abi Dawood 4361).