Lukuluku69:


Going thru the History of the Prophet's Life was there any mention that his immediate Companions killed anyone for slandering the Prophet?

In the Quran, is there a command or any command to kill anyone who slander the Prophet?

LordReed2nd:


Rather you are one making Bart Ehrman the authority since it was you who brought him up so why don't you listen to his actual words from his actual mouth instead of relying on editorialised versions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfheSAcCsrE?t=3874

Igbek76:

US spent 20 years in rag tagged Afghanistan and unable to defeat them. The US was shamefully expelled. Same in Vietnam.
Russia have been able to annexed a very huge part of Ukraine with massive resources and even installed governors there and conducted elections.

SIRTeee15:


See another evidence...at least your new found god admits to the truth when confronted with it.

Don't U want to be like him.

https://christianapologetics.org/biblical-items/the-elusive-bart-ehrman-quote/

LordReed:


You what you posted are not statements of Bart Erhman. Try again.

budaatum:

It is not how you understand it, you mean. The fact remains that those who believe one book would likely not learn from other books.


I don't know how you could have "noticed u always yapping about indoctrination of foreign religion via colonialism", when that is not a thing I do.

Perhaps you could provide evidence of such "yapping" so you can be believed. Also consider the stupidity of "yapping about indoctrination of foreign religion via colonialism", in the language of the colonialiser.

One should yap against colonialism in one's uncolonized language, is my preferred position, and I am thankful for my proficiency in the language of the coloniser and the books it empowers me to be able to read.


I quote the Bible too, so why haven't you asked me where the first church was built?

What has quoting the Koran got to do with the first mosque built anywhere? I detect needless deflection here, and an attempt to waste my time on irrelevants.


Not only has Christianity changed, Christianity itself was a change from 'Salvation by the Ark' Judaism, to salvation by Christ.

In fact, not only did 'Thou shalt worship no other God", change, but today same God is not exactly so jealous anymore.


Bart Erhman is required reading for anyone who truly questions the Bible, but is at the beginning of one's search for knowledge.

No one is claiming here that the Bible is not real, just that much that is described in it isn't historically nor archeologically accurate.

LordReed:


You what you posted are not statements of Bart Erhman. Try again.

budaatum:

I hope you mean you "believe the Bible", because Christianity, being an ideology, is not as valid and real as you claim.


https://www.nairaland.com/7348804/those-read-only-one-book


The Egyptians were not do arrogant as to claim their God was a universal supreme deity, and neither were the Israelites, who's god was for them alone. It is the Western world, having killed their own gods, that adopted the god of the Israelites and promoted it as a universal god. The Israelites themselves wouldn't share their parochial god with gentiles.

And the reason it was easily shared was the fact that it had a paper book, as opposed to the word of the gods of Egypt who's words were written in stone.


A Yoruba proverb goes, a person who hasn't seen another another person's father's farm would claim their father's farm is the biggest.

You know nothing about Buddhism for instance, which has gone through more study and critique for longer than Christianity. They just never colonised you with it, but those who were will say the same as you've said about your religion.


Yes it has changed. It began as a change from parochial Judaism, and became Catholic, before going Protestant, and now Evangelical with lots of variants along the way. I'd even claim it came out of Egypt, but that might involve me trying to convince you of what the sort of indoctrination 400 years of slavery the Israelites went through can do to one. But I doubt your countenance that idea, even though it's similar to the indoctrination that's made us Nigerians abandon our own gods and adopt the colonisers' ones.

Humans always change, and how they will see and understand things changes too. That is how we grow and develop and evolve.


If I want to learn, Sirtee? So, you want a relationship with me whereby you are the superior and I your student?

At least show you have knowledge to share before asking me to sit at your feet in the congregation you preside over please, or perhaps consider you might want to learn too.

I've included the verse you requested below, plus another for you to think about learning.

budaatum:


I guess some are telling you that they don't accept the Bible, which was written by humans with an agenda, is true or confirms anything. Atheists will go further and tell you it does not even confirm a God exists not to talk of said god having a child.

budaatum:


Thankfully, it is written in the Bible that[b] humans should not live by only one book but by every book the gods wrote,[/b] which helps reduce one's confirmation bias and ignorance.

budaatum:

Just imagine not reading anything about the ancient Egyptians from who the gods grew, and you might get a clue.

budaatum:


Many have resolved that "if", and found it to be not as true as some claim. And it's not healthy to just believe whatever one reads in a book without investigating it's validity by oneself.

JASONjnr:
I've listen to many of their preachings and I can say that you can't get anything meaningful from it, other than taxing and asking you to be hopeful on God.


Someone asked one of these pastors why we have different DNA? Cause the Bible said the first human was Adam and Eve.

Stories in the Bible will keep you wondering if some people take others for a fool. How can a group of people gathered to build a tower towards heaven and God decided to strike on them by making them confused and speak in different languages. Same sky we fly around today.... Did God relocate from the sky to the sun?

SIRTee15:
Inflation is biting hard globally especially in western countries with this ongoing russia-ukraine wahala.
Also lots of complaints coming from recent immigrants into Canada. Infact majority will advise u not to come and some are leaving canada for home.

I will admit the recent immigration policy of western leaders has failed and led more cons and pros. Even the immigrants themselves are complaining.

LordReed:


These are my questions again:

So any Christian who doesn't interpret the bible the same way you do is not a true Christian? Is that an inference that should be drawn from your statements?

LordReed:


BTW do you think there's any Christian that has been posting on NL that you think has the same interpretation of the bible as you have and who is that person?

LordReed:


On Nairaland there're several Christians I can mention who do not share your interpretation so please answer the questions.

LordReed:


Dude you didn't answer the question I asked.

kkins25:


If only you'd read the text in the images you posted, you'd find that they actually support my post. I answered your Qs.. now answer mine from before.

LordReed:


So any Christian who doesn't interpret the bible the same way you do is not a true Christian? Is that an inference that should be drawn from your statements?

BTW do you think there's any Christian that has been posting on NL that you think has the same interpretation of the bible as you have and who is that person?

Maynmann:

Checking the original Greek of john 1:1, what's the difference between Theo and Theon?

Remember, the word was WITH God(Theon).
The word THEN became theos not Theon.

John 17:3 (ESV), "And this is eternal life, that they know you, the ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."

It's more correct to even translate logos as reason rather than "word" 🙃

kkins25:
I hope you know that logos can be used in different contexts. So, saying you don't want to discuss John 1:1 which is the only place the logos was used to designate Jesus as a manifestation of God, shocks me.


Interesting. I did find that the Aramaic bible you speak of were translations done in an attempt to revert the hebrew bible to Aramaic and not the first iterations of the bible as you insinuate.

Writing down the targum was initially prohibited; nevertheless, some targumitic writings appeared as early as the middle of the first century AD. They were not recognized as authoritative by the religious leaders. Some subsequent Jewish traditions (beginning with the Babylonian Jews) accepted the written targumim as authoritative translations of the Hebrew scriptures into Aramaic. Today, the common meaning of targum is a written Aramaic translation of the Bible. Only Yemenite Jews continue to use the targumim liturgically.
---https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targum



In Hebrew, the places you mentioned used "Messenger of God."



The original Christians wouldn't understand what you're saying. They didn't know anything like Trinity. They mostly didn't speak Greek either, and mind you, LOGOS as seen in John 1:1 is purely a hellenized concept. Other instances of Logos tally with the hebrew equivalent of the word except in the case of John 1:1.



Whoever wrote the book of John must have been schooled in Greek. There's a common consensus that Jesus if he understood Greek, spoke very little of it. The same goes for his disciples. Even though Judea, Galilee, where Jesus was born, was probably bilingual, the Jews generally didn't speak it.

Even Josephus, who was learned in Greek, made blunders when he was translating and had to call Romans to assist. Therefore, John, Peter, James, etc couldn't have understood what Logos meant as used in John 1:1.

If the Logos was something the Jews where conversant with, then it doesn't make sense that the Jewish preist, the disciples of jesus would doubt his claims, right?

You are arguing using the bible as bases of historical event when the bible itself is what we are trying to dissect. It's like using the testimony of an alleged thief to judge a case. No, Sirtee, that's not how arguments are done. Use external sources, please.

FYI, there's a difference between biblical scholars and theologians. The latter are not very different from your pastors. If you want clarity, seek the biblical scholars.

kkins25:


Same response as above. Anyway, let me help you small. They have different schools of thought. Incase, you want to mumble up that nonsense about Christ tarnishing the old law, I hope you know that was just Paul's way of getting the Gentiles to join Christianity. The likes of Peter, James, JOhn, etc, never did away with the old testament. Why? The new testament hadn't even being written bruv?

kkins25:

I am not incentivized to read the bible anymore. It serves no purpose in my life right now other than for arguments. But, I can easily get summaries from Youtube or scholarly dissertations from the likes of Dan Mclean on Tiktok, who's a award-winning bible scholar for the work he's done on tiktok.

kkins25:



I'm not sure. I had to look this up. I suspect you mean logos in the sense used in John 1:1?

Logos is translated from Dabar, which meant "'word', 'talk' or 'thing'" in Hebrew.

There's no Jewish concept of Logos in the sense that we use it today. At least, non in the bible bar John 1;1. Probably hellenistic jews?

So, no, the Jews didn't know anything called Logos. Logos is entirely an element of Greek philosophy. See below:



The Greek translator, filled with Roman bias, used that bias to translate the Book of John into something it was not meant to be. If you mean logos in the sense that God's ideas come to life, then sure. That's what the writer of John intended.

kkins25:


The Jewish Christians do not also hold the notion that Jesus was anything remotely close to a deity—even those who did saw Jesus as lesser than Adonai. The Gentiles were the ones who equated Jesus Christ with God and formed the Holy Trinity. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia on the man who coined the word "Trinity." Take note of the parts I have bolded for you. Hopefully, you see how the influence of one can sway the minds of many. Also, he is of African origin but was raised under the Romanian empire. Therefore, he thinks like a roman. This is very important.

Tertullian is often considered an early proponent of the Nicene doctrine, approaching the subject from the standpoint of the Logos doctrine, though he did not state the later doctrine of the immanent Trinity. In his treatise against Praxeas, who taught patripassianism in Rome, he used the words "trinity," "economy" (used in reference to the three persons), "persons," and "substance," maintaining the distinction of the Son from the Father as the unoriginate God, and the Spirit from both the Father and the Son (Adv. Praxeam, xxv).



As you can see from the last statement, he first distinguished the persons of the Godhead. This was not derived from biblical scripture but the incorporation of Romanian philosophy into Christianity. The Roman scholars were very philosophical and were at their prime during this era. So, it's no surprise they were trying to make sense of chrisitian mysticsm.

Tertullian predated the Nicene creed, of course. In fact, his writings influenced the doctrines of the church fathers who argued against the heresy of Arius. Again, not that the Roman-influenced church fathers were also trying to make sense of Christian mysticism. All these doctrines weren't held by the likes of Peter, James, and early disciples of Christ—even Apst. Paul didn't equate Jesus with God. Note, the books of Hebrews weren't written by Apst. Paul. That's where the Gentile-like philosophy slipped into Judeo-Christianity.

kkins25:


No, no, no! There's a stark difference between Europe's significant influence on today's Christianity and being the source of Christianity itself. You see, Christianity was no doubt formed by Jewish Christians. However, the doctrines and philosophy of Christianity differ greatly between the early Jews and would be later Gentiles.

studyless123:


This is what you should have posted earlier about the defendants policy.
You sounded like the UK can do whatever she likes because she's a rich parent.
While I agree that UK needs to manage her migration crises, they always thread with caution because one-fifth of university funding comes from oversees. That's one of the reasons why the universities didn't support the policy.
Do you know that public funding of universities have be declining while costs are increasing? I've read several articles on UK higher education last year and many are struggling financially.

Qasim6:


There is nothing you can come up with except ambiguous verses like the ones you quoted up there when there are clear cut verses like mark 10:28, John 17:28, John 5:30 and the likes that clearly point to the fact that he is not God Almighty.

If he is truly God then he did a bad job telling us he is.

My friend you just need to throw away that trinitarian lenses you are using to read those verses.

TenQ:

Happy New year to you my brother in Christ.

The Qur'an is supposed to be
1. In clear Arabic : but it isn't
2. The Qur'an is supposed to be free of errors: but it isn't
3. The Qur'an is supposed to be free of contradictions: but it isn't


Yet, they wouldn't consider that it is the words of an Arabian man Mohammed

Qasim6:


There is nothing you can come up with except ambiguous verses like the ones you quoted up there when there are clear cut verses like mark 10:28, John 17:28, John 5:30 and the likes that clearly point to the fact that he is not God Almighty.

If he is truly God then he did a bad job telling us he is.

My friend you just need to throw away that trinitarian lenses you are using to read those verses.

Qasim6:


Why will I be annoyed at a trinitarian that see multiple Gods every where they look, only a trinitarian will look at that verse and see multiple Gods.

U wey look at these verses from ur scripture and still conclude Jesus is God

I and Father are one..John 10:30

I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. John 17:21

Now this is eternal life: that they know YOU, the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ, whom YOU have SENT. John 17:3

Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28.

You see these verses and you still believe Jesus is co-eternal and co-equal with the Father. I can only pity you, I'm not annoyed.

Who invited trinitarians to Quran 2:62? You lot have failed in the most basic things a believer in God should have which is
Hear o Israel the lord our God is one.
You have shared the glory of God with other beings because of a man made doctrine of trinity.

kkins25:


Christians and comedy

Unfortunately, the breed of Christians here is very different from those about 9 years ago. Unfortunately, I was but a little kid then... It would have been great going back and forth with Muttleylaff, and the likes now...Even though them too get their own koskos... but, at least those ones where very knowledgable of the bible. Good old days. Used to enjoy reading them.. Especially how they were flowing Sarassin up and down..hahah