SAAF

ActivateKruger:


Some AA rounds are 30mm, so you mean to tell us the ARA can withstand a 30mm round? I think you should stick to counting nairas and leave commentary to other people.

NB: You don't have physical science or some kind of technical subjects in your field of studies or work so shut the f*ck up.

Nah dude...just point out that he is making stuff up, let him simmer in the embarrassment. Other language is unnecessary. My 2 cents

But hey, not as if I'm an angel towards him

Odunayaw:
Did you watch the video, was 23mm mentioned in the video?

have been laughing all this while. The claim is ludicrous

You mean the claim of withstanding 23mm is ridiculous?

I'm specifically quoting Mr Henry, since he never makes things up. In his words..."from 14.5 mm up to 23 mm. A quote from him, is a quote from Proforce.... since that's where he gets his facts.

tdayof:


The pf 2 has as stanag level 1 protection. See them internet engineers up there. Proforce has been into armoring since 2008 and you think they don't know what 23mm means

Mistake you're making is assuming everyone here is an accountant. You already admitted you don't know much about bullets/guns....so when you type "has stanag 1 level protection" you are literally just typing letters without even knowing what you're saying

To put things into simple perspective....bullet on the right is a 50 caliber round (12.7 mm) which very few things on Earth can stop. The round on the left is a 20 mm round, smaller than the delusional 23 mm which Proforce is dreaming of. And then people cry tears when they are made fun of.

Such a claim would be breaking news in the defence industry.The likes of Jane's Defence would be rushing to Nigeria 1st thing Monday morning to publish articles if this was true.

The above post is utter rubbis.h for anyone who comes here to learn anything. What happened is the above fellow is so proud of this MRAP that the part of his brain that deals with logic switches off when Proforce opens its mouth.

For those interested, do a 30 second google search and see where this magical "Dynemma" material is used. Then the accountant above says its the "primary" material used on ARA......at that point it should sink in, that he has zero clue what he's talking about.

tdayof:


All am saying is, if you consider yourself as an expert to falsify proforce claim then an armoring company with experts who have the actual fact of the vehicle is right.

Yeah, I think you should just sit this one out. No offense.

tdayof:
Being their first MRAP doesn't mean it can't be the best out there.


You know how much effort has been put in place before finally out? Being their first MRAP, Proforce might have concentrated on protection. Protection alone doesn't make up a MRAP. So obviously, they may have the protection as claimed.


So it's all about common sense. I don't know much about guns/bullets but the concept of being the first trial means you can't be the best is wrong.


In protection, the ARA MRAP can actually withstand that as claimed by the manufacturer even tho its proforce first.



I hope you all know proforce is an armoring company

An armoring company definitely knows more about penetration than you.

As you honestly claim, you don't know much about guns/bullets . If you did know a bit about them (wouldn't even need expert knowledge), you would understand what Proforce is saying.

I guess 23 mm can be defended against if you're far enough away * thinking deeply *


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2f2e8eYGTE

Henry240:

It can withstand above 14.5mm rounds and up to 23mm.

Watch video from 3 minutes - 6 minutes, vehicle armour for the MRAP is explained. We currently have the best MRAP in Africa in terms of protection. No vehicle comes close.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGxczSa-5P0

Forget Africa. Best protected MRAP in the world. "Up to 23 mm" . If this is an official Proforce statement I feel sorry for them, they just.....never mind, let me not start a fight

It really doesn't help Proforce's brand at all by making such non.sense claims, especially with their first MRAP. Makes them look amateur. Simple google search by their research team should have raised alarm bells with that claim.

MikeCZA:
Can we commence celebrations for three pages!!!

Lol

So South Africa's missile design capabilities remain in very capable hands.

1. Umkhonto missile launch
2. Marlin missile launch
3.A Darter missile launch

ActivateKruger:


All I'm reading is the S-400 9M96E2 missile. Denel is making the S-400 9M96E2 missile, my night is already beautiful.

Some more juicy news

http://www.janes.com/article/74834/major-projects-in-the-works-for-denel

Major projects in the works for Denel

Helmoed-Römer Heitman - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
11 October 2017

South Africa’s state-owned defence group Denel recently released its full annual report, which reveals that the company is in a tight situation but with considerable potential.

The company’s main potential lies in its success in winning design and development orders from foreign armed forces, and in the fact that it has innovative products that could be brought to production quickly given the funding.

Denel Dynamics has completed development of the A-Darter ‘5th generation’ air-to-air missile for both Brazil and South Africa, and is developing “a medium-range, low-cost guided weapon” that “performed well during flight tests in early 2017”. Additionally, the company announced a “long-range IR guided weapon” that showed “exceptional accuracy” in trials.

Nok234:


After first trial the military show interest ... It is a good MRAP otherwise they will ask for another one. Im not making things up..

Yes indeed you are making things up. Has this vehicle gone through all its trials? No. Whether it is good or not is still very far from being determined.

Got to love South African engineering. Why buy top tech when you can build it yourself?

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-49580/

Marlin missile making swift progess

The Denel Dynamics Marlin missile is at an advanced stage of development, with test flights of the 100 km range radar-guided weapon having already been carried out.

Marlin is a radar-guided beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missile technology demonstrator and the intention is to also use Marlin technology in an all-weather surface-to-air version. It is being developed by Denel Dynamics under an Armscor/Department of Defence technology demonstrator contract.

According to Ivan Gibbons, Chief systems engineer at Denel Dynamics, various tests have been carried out, such as rocket motor firings and firing of a largely complete missile from the Denel Overberg Test Range two years ago using a ground-mounted launcher to test the missile's manoeuvrability and flight characteristics. The missile has also been fitted to a pod mounted on a South African Air Force (SAAF) Gripen fighter. Denel Dynamics is now heading towards a guided flight test that will use the radar seeker to shoot down a target drone.

Gibbons, speaking at a presentation organised by the Aeronautical Society of South Africa (AeSSA), explained that the Marlin uses a dual pulse rocket motor for extended range (two fuel chambers and one exhaust nozzle). For long range engagements the first pulse fires and the missile glides towards its target before the second pulse fires at a later point in time. For shorter engagements, both pulses can be fired almost simultaneously. Top speed could be around Mach 4. Flight control is by servo motor controlled fins.

Gibbons said there were many challenging issues to be dealt with when designing a missile like Marlin, such as high G loads (at least 30 Gs), vibration on the aircraft, electromagnetic interference, the effects of flying through rain, and thermal shock. As an example the missile has to operate in -50 degree Celsius temperatures while the leading edges of the missile can reach up to 900 degrees Celsius once launched.

Denel Dynamics is working with Armscor on Marlin, as well as other entities like Saab - the latter is especially important since the Marlin is being fitted to the Gripen. The Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) did wind tunnel testing of the missile while the Test Flight and Development Centre (TFDC) and Denel Overberg Test Range have been used for test firings. Another important partner is Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM), which provided the rocket motor.

Although the Marlin is a technology demonstrator at the moment, it is likely that it will be used by the South African Air Force (SAAF), as the SAAF currently lacks a beyond visual range (BVR) missile and at present only has the interim infrared guided IRIS-T short-range air-to-air missile (SRAAM) in service, although the Denel Dynamics A-Darter SRAAM is about to enter service - final acceptance of this will be completed before the end of the year.

Denel Dynamics also sees Marlin configured into an all-weather surface-to-air missile. Common subsystems will be used for the different variants of the weapon, with some components tailored specifically for the relevant application of the missile.

Although Marlin is fully funded by the Department of Defence via Armscor, Denel Dynamics is looking for an international partner to collaborate with during the future development programme.

Nok234:


To be frank, I don't see an MRAP in service right know that can compete. It is a very good MRAP I heard it is STANAG 4 ... It is home made so very cheap for us that's means large number can be ordered .. The only thing I am consern about is mobility we have only pictures but maybe I am wrong ...

All MRAPs today has two variant one is 4x4 and a 6x6 because MRAPs usually doesnt have good mobility.
On soft ground 6x6 will be better assuming the vehicles are of similar ilk, as the weight is spread out over a larger area.
Also given the extra drive wheels there is more traction in slippery condition, and the rick of becoming cross axled is reduced, as you have to cross 3 axles instead of 2.

The 4x4 and 6x6 are both adequate for the military not just one.

You don't know that its a "very good MRAP". Don't make things up. How good it is, is yet to be seen.

Oldies but goodies

SANDF in DRC

SAAF

tdayof:


CJTF not 30 military guys. They're also not QRF.

K

giles14:
viewers discretion advised

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/graphic-images-isis-ambushes-nigerian-army-convoy-executes-soldiers/

30 soldiers. Damn

Repost: SAAF dog fight training


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoYbdlXkttU

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-49492/

The South African Department of Defence (DoD) aims to acquire medium and light transport aircraft, infantry combat vehicles, mobile water provisioning systems, logistics vehicles, air-to-air missiles and inshore and offshore patrol vessels over the coming years.

This is according to its 2017 Annual Performance Plan, which states that "efforts to maintain and modernise defence capabilities are set to increase spending on departmental agencies and accounts by 12.8 per cent, or R2.7 billion, over the medium term."

Over the medium term, the DoD plans to replace its infantry combat vehicles, under Project Hoefyster for new Badger vehicles; develop a modern command-and-control capability; mobile water-provisioning system, and new "geographic systems". This is reflected in the projected increase in expenditure of 9.5 per cent, or R1.9 billion in the Infantry Capability sub-programme and 15.1 per cent, or R248 million in the Artillery Capability sub-programme over the medium term, both in the Landward Defence programme.

The Landward Defence budget will rise from R16.550 billion in 2017/18 to R17.134 billion in 2018/19 and R18.160 billion in 2019/20. This compares to R15.557 billion in 2016/17.

Spending in the Air Defence programme in the 2019/20 financial year will go up by 20 per cent, or R1.4 billion, and will cover the acquisition of medium and light transport aircraft in the Transport and Maritime Capability sub-programme, and precision-guided air force ammunition (the Denel Dynamics A-Darter air-to-air missile) and new-generation mobile communication capability in the Command and Control Capability sub-programme.

According to the Annual Performance Plan, Air Defence spending will increase from R6.628 billion in 2017/18 to R7.145 billion in 2018/19 and R8.572 billion in 2019/20.

Although not mentioned in the Annual Performance Plan, the SANDF is also replacing its heavyweight torpedo capability, and Armscor has issued a tender in this regard.

iblawi:


Please don't get it twisted. There is nothing to confirm that the deal was cancelled. We are just bordered that the CAS doesn't mention the jf17 when talking about expected deliveries.

Where do I say it got cancelled? Hence I said its wait & see.

ActivateKruger:


For everyone' sake it better be coming otherwise someone here might commit suicide.

The day it comes we should prepare ourselves for an FJ-17 post in every 2 posts, which is no harm BTW.

Yeah if JF-17 gets cancelled for real, certain members will find the nearest tallest building. So let's cross our fingers for NAF to get.

ActivateKruger:


Tears from a guy who laughed at Amscor cancelling Project Biro... Cry them all, karma f#cks all.

"I really couldn't care less about South Africa blah blah blah....."

That's what his response will be. Meanwhile he cared enough at the time to make a nice bold post about Biro, claiming how we can put the matter to rest. But we'll have to wait and see, perhaps JF-17 isn't cancelled.

ActivateKruger:
You know, I have been studying the ARA original design vs the actual product (because GreenandGold had been posting his modifications).

I wonder how Proforce managed not to stay true to their own CAD designs.

There's a very simple answer that some will find difficult to swallow. Its easy making nice drawings, but something completely different when it comes to fabrication. Drawing is nice, actually making is not so easy.

newafricaken254:
our men are not peacekeepers,they face IED's,suicide bombers and cut throat jihadist

Because those cut throat jihadists have the balls to try that there. Have a good end to your weekend.

newafricaken254:
so if can't conduct with African countries air forces,why then don't you then conduct with those that are in so called league !? and stop giving us useless excuses your known for

You don't even know what you're saying, and you expect a reply. You just want to talk for the sake of talking, probably to try impress people here.

Any exercise is conducted with certain goals. If one of those goals is to expose your pilots to real world situations, real world opponents using the best equipment they can use against you (within limits of OpSec)...what value will be gained putting Gripen against Zimbabwean Hawk for example?

South Africa plans to host Exercise Lion Effort 2018, which will hopefully see a host of Gripen users come to our shores next year.

...

newafricaken254:
yes because they also have SU-27 jets

And you didn't mention SU-27 because why? Why jump to SU-30 if you knew? Simply write a letter to Angolan and South African air forces begging for an exercise, since you are so desperate to see one. How many SU-27's does Angola operate?

newafricaken254:
your neighbour angola has SU-30 jets

It only has two, delivered less than 2 weeks ago. So you recon they are ready for an exercise with the SAAF. Okay then.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-49313/

"The Angolan Air Force has taken delivery of its first two Su-30K fighters, and will receive another ten by early 2018.

This is according to Aleksandr Vorobei, the deputy CEO of the 558 Aviation Repair Plant in Belarus, who told Sputnik news on 19 September that "I think that the deliveries will be completed by early next year."

tdayof:
Nigerian Airforce Alpha jet in UK during "Exercise don't ask me the name". As you can see, this is not an African Airport.

Side question/off topic....Can NAF Alpha jets fire air-air missiles? In fact can any alpha jet anywhere fire missiles?

Edit: never mind, I googled it