@truthman2012:

btruthman2012: 5:17pm
Allah said he is the best creator of all creators. Any controversy in this? I think the English is simple enough.

it is simple enough just like the Biblical verse of "do not worship any other God beside me" which tells us the Biblical God agrees that there are other Gods. You may just have found your Trinity here.

@Paris-Love:

by Paris-Love: 5:39pm On Oct 19

ghazzal:

but it is thinkable that your God had to wait for so long before sending "his Son" to wipe of Adams sin? pls get off your slumber

It's unthinkable your God had to wait for more than 600 years to tell us he faked the death of Issa(as)

remember you didnt respond to his statement of sending "the son" in the middle. Well, Adam [as] and Eve were the people who ate. I am not responsible for the condition of my father Adam. I was not here then. He will not be responsible for my condition. He is not here now.

Allah did not wait for 600 years to tell you, because you were not part of the people who said they killed or believed that Jesus killed then. You are here now and Allah has let the truth be known long before your time, and even now, how you have to do is to read stories of some people believed already dead and walla!, the spring back up to "live", since they were not truly dead but assumed so. But even after the knowledge has came to you, you continue to believe the fairy tale of "not likely".

From the Bibles, we read that those jews who were so eager to kill Jesus, regardless of how close they were to him, when he yelled out Ellah {God], twice, their rage covered their hearing that they heard him say Elias [read your bibles, please]. The people who were at best of "little faith" were eager to make for themselves an idol, a god worshiped, like their forefathers who made a "Yahweh in the shape of calf from God [or was it I AM?]". Even Jesus proving to them that he was a human being, they would not have none of it from him. So after he left they made a god out of him.

Just as Allah was patient to let time pass between Moses and Jesus, He was consistent to do the same with a mere 600 years, while the distance of time between Moses and Jesus was over 1,000. Do you now see patience and while Jesus said he will be back in such a quick turnaround that at 1 of the 12 would be alive, you are still expecting him to return. Yet there is no single disciple alive, or do you now where one is still walking this earth? 600 years of Muhammad [as] is like a few hours at most when we relate it to the waiting game that is now 2012 years and we do not know when the result will actually come in ]For those who may say I have no belief in Jesus, his mission and the God Who sent him; the truth is completely different. I just will not let the christians tell us their Bible is the Gospel that God revealed to Jesus, their thought of God is correct and their take on Jesus is accurate].

Pls get off your coma

You need to be out of yours first before you can know who is not in coma. You are asleep and you kind you can tell us who is awake?



@Kemoolala:

by kemoolala(f): 5:00pm


if it is d same supreme God dat we chistians worship ur referring to, good for u but the only one dat can link u wit that God is jesus christ, yes only thru Him but if it is allah ur mistakenly taken as d supreme God, I'm afraid ur sick upstairs.

So who linked Prophet Moses to God but God? Who linked the followers of Moses to God? You need a rethink about the "only thru" whereas Jesus promised "another comforter" to be the end of those who link.

@Paris-Love:

by Paris-Love: 5:39pm On Oct 19

ghazzal:

but it is thinkable that your God had to wait for so long before sending "his Son" to wipe of Adams sin? pls get off your slumber

It's unthinkable your God had to wait for more than 600 years to tell us he faked the death of Issa(as)

remember you didnt respond to his statement of sending "the son" in the middle. Well, Adam [as] and Eve were the people who ate. I am not responsible for the condition of my father Adam. I was not here then. He will not be responsible for my condition. He is not here now.

Allah did not wait for 600 years to tell you, because you were not part of the people who said they killed or believed that Jesus killed then. You are here now and Allah has let the truth be known long before your time, and even now, how you have to do is to read stories of some people believed already dead and walla!, the spring back up to "live", since they were not truly dead but assumed so. But even after the knowledge has came to you, you continue to believe the fairy tale of "not likely".

From the Bibles, we read that those jews who were so eager to kill Jesus, regardless of how close they were to him, when he yelled out Ellah {God], twice, their rage covered their hearing that they heard him say Elias [read your bibles, please]. The people who were at best of "little faith" were eager to make for themselves an idol, a god worshiped, like their forefathers who made a "Yahweh in the shape of calf from God [or was it I AM?]". Even Jesus proving to them that he was a human being, they would not have none of it from him. So after he left they made a god out of him.

Just as Allah was patient to let time pass between Moses and Jesus, He was consistent to do the same with a mere 600 years, while the distance of time between Moses and Jesus was over 1,000. Do you now see patience and while Jesus said he will be back in such a quick turnaround that at 1 of the 12 would be alive, you are still expecting him to return. Yet there is no single disciple alive, or do you now where one is still walking this earth? 600 years of Muhammad [as] is like a few hours at most when we relate it to the waiting game that is now 2012 years and we do not know when the result will actually come in ]For those who may say I have no belief in Jesus, his mission and the God Who sent him; the truth is completely different. I just will not let the christians tell us their Bible is the Gospel that God revealed to Jesus, their thought of God is correct and their take on Jesus is accurate].

Pls get off your coma

You need to be out of yours first before you can know who is not in coma. You are asleep and you kind you can tell us who is awake?



@Kemoolala:

by kemoolala(f): 5:00pm


if it is d same supreme God dat we chistians worship ur referring to, good for u but the only one dat can link u wit that God is jesus christ, yes only thru Him but if it is allah ur mistakenly taken as d supreme God, I'm afraid ur sick upstairs.

So who linked Prophet Moses to God but God? Who linked the followers of Moses to God? You need a rethink about the "only thru" whereas Jesus promised "another comforter" to be the end of those who link.

^^^ Muslims dont believe such a thing as touching down in hell first for believing muslims, InshaAllah.

@Nextpan:

by nextpart(m): 3:21pm
Sweetnecta

Allah recorgnized the pagan gods as creators but His own is the best and that was why He called them creators.

then you are ignorant of how authority speaks. What did the pagan gods create when they themselves were carved by men who called them creators?

No twisting.

apply that to yourself.

If in reality pagan gods did not create anything in Islam, why did Allah recognize them as creators?

because pagans call them creators just like you call Jesus son of Mary creator.

Are you saying Allah is not realistic?

i am saying you need to think, because you and the pagans make erroneous claims having creators instead of The REAL CREATOR, Alone. This rebuttal from Allah is similar to rebuttal from Him against your Gods in Trinity which makes The REAL GOD a partner with creations; Angel you call God the Holy Ghost and Jesus son of Mary you call God the son.

You don't just put up a defence for the sake of it. I will no more respond to your post because you intend to cause diversion.

What diversion? You expect me to allow you to lie, when you are ignoring where the lie is, your Bibles? I know you will run away when its too hot for ya. Did I say something that is untrue? Point to my lies because your lies are what I am making clear for others, if you are in too much rage to see them.


@Seyibrown:

by seyibrown(f): 4:08pm
Perhaps, the comparison was being made to human inventors, i.e creators of cars, mobile phones, clothing etc! I do agree with the OP that if a certain god were to admit and refer to the existence of other creators of such things as he created, then he is not the almighty God, creator of heaven and earth!

I hope you will apply this to "thou shall not worship other Gods", even though you still manage to continue to worship Jesus who himself worshiped? Use the same standard, sisi.

@ Sweetnecta: Eleshe a ma sa nigba ti a ko le! grin grin grin Re: 16, 19, 6 and 9! wink O s'ojo! Ko ye ka ma b'omokunrin n'idi ojo! grin grin

I am not running or hiding for anything. Ibi to ba le lati nba omo omo okunrin. Alhamdulillah. I am standing. When you guys say God is Trinity and then One God, when one of them is worshiping another, if that is not God worshiping Gos and thats confusion and you who accept it are not idolaters, what is there for me to say?

@Seyibrown;

by seyibrown(f): 3:48pm

seyibrown: @Sweetnecta

Four simple questions and I require four straight answers, please.

1. Are Muslim females allowed to play with dolls up to the age of 16 and 19?

There no quote that says anyone can not play with doll at any age. By the way, i know arab women who are married and have dolls before they had children. They are college educated. One of them is married to my friend and they now live in saudi arabia. Question for you, while i am at it: do you see a verse in the Quran that says one can play with doll to a certain age and after that it is not allowed?

2. Was Eve created as a new born baby or a woman?

She was created as a female. There was no example of a human baby or woman before her, so in reality she was uniquely a baby grown enough from birth as creation to be a wife. Is age the only factor for marriage and puberty or physical size mental capacity are not necessary? Have you seen the smallest woman on earth? she is "older" than. . . But she is smaller that what can participate in jigijigi.

3. Will you allow (have you allowed) any man to have s/e.x with your daughter at the age of 6 or 9?

i dont have a daughter so that will be an irrelevant question. If i were to have a daughter who is 6 or 9 while you dubious dont pay attention that 7 and 8 are between 6 and 9, if she was like 5 11 and have all the mountains that women do have, if she has reached puberty, if she has the mental age to handle a husband and the duties of a wife, and if she was as eager and can write a contract of marriage and protects herself by demanding what she wants in the contract, instead of all the teenagers and young adults parading my house for punching, she can marry the man of her dream, because it is obvious that she is a special "made".

4. Have you had s.e/x with any female aged between 1 month and 9 years?

your question is ridiculous considering that my taste is not by age but all i have listed. If a woman is 30 and she is immature, has a mental capacity of 1 day old [The age of Eve when she was ready to be a wife], and she has not reached puberty [Aisha [ra] had passed that], unable to handle wifey role, not able to know what she wants in the "Prenuptial", i will take a 20 year old who meet all of my requirements from Quran. see, she is even younger than the incompetent 30 years old empty "woman" who is a woman only by number.

Well, Looks like Sweetnecta cannot find a defence for his argument that Aisha was 16 or 19 at consummation, given that muslim females between those ages DO NOT play with dolls and Aisha was still playing with her dolls.

Jasmin must be at least 33 years old now. You do not know a single muslim woman and if you know any she may not play with doll does not mean others dont. Sometimes ago, I bought a big teddy that stands over 6 feet for myself. I am a man and what do you say to that?

Conclusion? The marriage was consummated at 9, in accordance to Aisha's own testimony as recorded in ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS TEXTS, and Sweetnecta - as usual - deliberately tries to pull the wool over 'his own eyes' grin on this matter!

Hadith is to demonstrate the application of verse[s] in the Quran. If you think a 9 year old can not reach puberty, have sound mind to make good decisions, ability to handle the roles of wife including being a mate, etc, unable to make demands for her best interest in the prenuptial contract/agreement, then Aisha [ra] who did demonstrated that she was older. I a not the only one who have this viewpoint and the viewpoint of the Quran based on the text of who can be a spouse, male or female, also.

(1) Who is this Allah that was competing with other gods in creation?

Allah is not competing with any, because in reality there was/is any but He alone as Creator. However, the pagans used to call what they made with their own hands [gods] their creators. Even you christians say Jesus creates you when you say everything was created through, for him, while you deny that he is a human being [son of man], you say he is greater than prophet [man approved by God among you [showing that he is a man but approved man over them]], you say he is God [your Lord is my Lord and He is One God]. Pagans, idolaters and Trinitarians create creators for themselves. Allah just simply tells you that your created creators are not themselves The Creator, but He is The Creator.

(2) What beings (with flesh and bones) did the other creators (gods) create?

nothing in reality, except the disbelievers say this lies from their own claims for their created creator[s]. take your case as a christian saying Jesus is your Lord/Creator. Allah simply tells you as He tells the other disbelievers that your creators are what you made with your own desire for them. He Allah is your Creator, the Creator of your fake creators.

Shakir 39:62 - ''Allah is the Creator of every thing and He has charge over every thing''

This passage says Allah is the Creator of every thing, i.e nothing left created by any other creators. This no doubt is a very sharp contradiction with the existence of the many creators of which Allah is the best (as in 23:14 and 37:125

In defence (if any) the issue raised should be addressed and not irrelevant story capable of causing deviation.

Allah says I Am your Creator and what you create. For example a maker of automobile may say he created it. Allah says He is the Creator of both; you will accept that God created man, the car manufacture who says he is the creator of the car. Allah being the Creator of the car "created" by the manufacture includes that all the knowledge and materials used to create the car by the manufacturer is from Allah. Jesus statement that "i can of my own power do nothing" explains this. Jesus was a believer by that statement, while those who say they are creators and those who agree or call them creators are disbelievers by that statement.

@Paris-Love:

by Paris-Love: 3:43am

Sweetnecta: @Paris-Love: you have just proven that she [ra] was older, minimum of the age where a person can consent to marriage or sex.

and how did i do that? The consensus of a child is no an alibi. If a child cannot consent, it's Molestation. Why can't you comprehend this?

here is what you said supporting that she is older than the alleged age 9;

by Paris-Love: 1:00am

a 9yr old cannot consent marriage or sex. Hence it's rapë. Get that into your skull before you start your marathon reply.

Let me break it down to you. From your fingers, you tell us the above that a 9 year old cannot consent marriage or sex. But Aisha [ra] states that she participated in formulating her own marriage contract. So following your thought pattern which i will agree with in general, then generally a woman who participated in formulating her own marriage contract is older than 9 years old. This above is how you did that.

how's a 9 year old matured? Eve was created a woman not a child just like Adam. Using Eve to compare Aisha is just ridiculous. Jeez

Marriage is by physicality [size] for a female who has reached puberty and have mental ability to be a wife. When you reach puberty you are woman. But if you dont have the physical body to be a wife, it will not happen even if you have a mental capacity of people in mensa society [genius]. Woman is size because she is still a girl at age 1 minute. You have supported me because the same girl who is even born today as an infant will be a woman tomorrow given the time to acquire the size.

From your silly analogy it also means a new born baby is capable of been a wife and can take care of her husband.

Pay attention: from your Bibles, sons of God saw daughters of men [remember that men was just created? and sons of God from your Bible must have been available as sons for only God knows how long] and cohabited with them to produce giants [i bet the daughters were not giants, but were able to take sons of God and produce giants]. But we were not told how old the daughters of men were. If I go by what their father the holy ghost did, these daughters of men can not be older but probably younger than their step mother, Mary the mother of their brother. Mary was a young woman seeing her monthly for the first time and she was snatched up.

This kind of reasoning can only take place in muslims minds such as yours.

and you were not ashamed to say God have 3 personalities wherein the biggest used to be tired out and needed to be refreshed, another is a ghost who overshadowed a young girl so that the young girl can produce the third who was to save you and cried to death in the process while blaming the first for abandoning him? what sense in this, when God can create and be Independent of creation? If it is the age of a woman that is your problem, you didnt mind that of Eve who hit human scene ready to be a mother or the age of the mother of your God overshadowed by another to produce him. What you fail to see is the reality of human experience.

She was created a woman not a child.

Muhammad [sa] was legal husband of young Aisha [ra], while God the holy spirit in consultation with God the father was the one to get young Mary pregnant without being married. You live by example. If you do not want chaos, you do not act unruly. If you want no fornication or adultery, you do not show anyone how to chop and clean mouth [this lingo i learn from nairaland].

She was not some 9yr old underage girl. Just like Adam was created a man so was Eve a woman. Not a child

So age is your problem. So how do you excuse the holy ghost and immediately after old man Joseph about young girl Mary who was just 13 the age of maturity for jews whether you have the body or not? I will say Aisha [ra] was at least 16. You have yours and I have mine from the Quran perspective of who can be a spouse.

Aha, did Allah marry Maryam? He even denied the whole sordid affair. Talk about taking responsibilities!

Allah does not marry or fathers any, but creates all. I think you are confused. Allah is not Yahweh or Holy Ghost. Jesus is a created human messenger of Allah on ban Israel. Mary is nothing more than a honored woman. Holy Spirit is nothing but Malaika Jibril. there is no holy ghost in Islam [I am taking ghost as a jinn here Satan is a jinn].

If Allah didn't Just hijack her what happened?

The creation of Jesus is in a similitude to the creation of Adam; Adam was created from soil. When Allah decrees a thing He but say to it "Be", "So it becomes".

Tell me where Mary was hijacked.

read your Bibles; The holy ghost shall. . . . and the "Power" of the Most High shall "overshadow" you. Hey, tell a Parisian girl that and see if she will not yell "Ra.pist in the making". And then Mary heard that and though we do not ready then she was overshadowed and covered up by power anyway. We know after that, that she was pregnant.

You started the baseless allegations.

maybe you should blame your christian brother or sister [orikinla] who started it and gave us room to give you a lot of stuffs you did not think about.

Mine is not baseless BTW!

and you never produced a single irrefutable evidence. When a hadith is opposing the verse of Quran that it can explain, we classify the hadith as clear forgery, definitely not authentic.

@Paris-Love:

by Paris-Love: 3:43am

Sweetnecta: @Paris-Love: you have just proven that she [ra] was older, minimum of the age where a person can consent to marriage or sex.

and how did i do that? The consensus of a child is no an alibi. If a child cannot consent, it's Molestation. Why can't you comprehend this?

here is what you said supporting that she is older than the alleged age 9;

by Paris-Love: 1:00am

a 9yr old cannot consent marriage or sex. Hence it's rapë. Get that into your skull before you start your marathon reply.

Let me break it down to you. From your fingers, you tell us the above that a 9 year old cannot consent marriage or sex. But Aisha [ra] states that she participated in formulating her own marriage contract. So following your thought pattern which i will agree with in general, then generally a woman who participated in formulating her own marriage contract is older than 9 years old. This above is how you did that.

how's a 9 year old matured? Eve was created a woman not a child just like Adam. Using Eve to compare Aisha is just ridiculous. Jeez

Marriage is by physicality [size] for a female who has reached puberty and have mental ability to be a wife. When you reach puberty you are woman. But if you dont have the physical body to be a wife, it will not happen even if you have a mental capacity of people in mensa society [genius]. Woman is size because she is still a girl at age 1 minute. You have supported me because the same girl who is even born today as an infant will be a woman tomorrow given the time to acquire the size.

From your silly analogy it also means a new born baby is capable of been a wife and can take care of her husband.

Pay attention: from your Bibles, sons of God saw daughters of men [remember that men was just created? and sons of God from your Bible must have been available as sons for only God knows how long] and cohabited with them to produce giants [i bet the daughters were not giants, but were able to take sons of God and produce giants]. But we were not told how old the daughters of men were. If I go by what their father the holy ghost did, these daughters of men can not be older but probably younger than their step mother, Mary the mother of their brother. Mary was a young woman seeing her monthly for the first time and she was snatched up.

This kind of reasoning can only take place in muslims minds such as yours.

and you were not ashamed to say God have 3 personalities wherein the biggest used to be tired out and needed to be refreshed, another is a ghost who overshadowed a young girl so that the young girl can produce the third who was to save you and cried to death in the process while blaming the first for abandoning him? what sense in this, when God can create and be Independent of creation? If it is the age of a woman that is your problem, you didnt mind that of Eve who hit human scene ready to be a mother or the age of the mother of your God overshadowed by another to produce him. What you fail to see is the reality of human experience.

She was created a woman not a child.

Muhammad [sa] was legal husband of young Aisha [ra], while God the holy spirit in consultation with God the father was the one to get young Mary pregnant without being married. You live by example. If you do not want chaos, you do not act unruly. If you want no fornication or adultery, you do not show anyone how to chop and clean mouth [this lingo i learn from nairaland].

She was not some 9yr old underage girl. Just like Adam was created a man so was Eve a woman. Not a child

So age is your problem. So how do you excuse the holy ghost and immediately after old man Joseph about young girl Mary who was just 13 the age of maturity for jews whether you have the body or not? I will say Aisha [ra] was at least 16. You have yours and I have mine from the Quran perspective of who can be a spouse.

Aha, did Allah marry Maryam? He even denied the whole sordid affair. Talk about taking responsibilities!

Allah does not marry or fathers any, but creates all. I think you are confused. Allah is not Yahweh or Holy Ghost. Jesus is a created human messenger of Allah on ban Israel. Mary is nothing more than a honored woman. Holy Spirit is nothing but Malaika Jibril. there is no holy ghost in Islam [I am taking ghost as a jinn here Satan is a jinn].

If Allah didn't Just hijack her what happened?

The creation of Jesus is in a similitude to the creation of Adam; Adam was created from soil. When Allah decrees a thing He but say to it "Be", "So it becomes".

Tell me where Mary was hijacked.

read your Bibles; The holy ghost shall. . . . and the "Power" of the Most High shall "overshadow" you. Hey, tell a Parisian girl that and see if she will not yell "Ra.pist in the making". And then Mary heard that and though we do not ready then she was overshadowed and covered up by power anyway. We know after that, that she was pregnant.

You started the baseless allegations.

maybe you should blame your christian brother or sister who started it and gave us room to give you a lot of stuffs you did not think about.

Mine is not baseless BTW!

and you never produced a single irrefutable evidence. When a hadith is opposing the verse of Quran that it can explain, we classify the hadith as clear forgery, definitely not authentic.

@Sister Fatie:

by Sister fatie(f): 9:18am On Oct 19

shala: Is it true that Muslims are encourage not to ask their Imman hard question about Islam? is it a fact that Muslim from early age are told to just believe anything taught by Immam and not ask question as such practice might cause Muslim to question his faith?

yes mulims are encouraged to not ask hard question about their faith. Check the thread created by abdul sleek who had doubts about his faith the responses he got prove me right. On the world stage salman rushdies death was ordered because he had the nerve to question the islamic faith.

Whats an example of "hard question" muslims are encouraged not to ask or discouraged to ask? The bulk of Quran is revealed based on questions asked mostly by muslims, the companions [ra] of the messenger [AS}, the very professor you want knowledge from.

The professor is not always at fault if he has a student who is not interested in pulling [her in your case, his in the case of abdulsleek] the boots, hitting the books and burn a lot of midnight oil.

Professors are graded by students for the most part. The assessment can earn him a full tenure. In the case of Muhammad [sa], the whole frst set of muslims [the sahabah] graded him as first class professor who was second to know, by this at his farewell address, after the whole student said he was the best, he raised his head and said to the Owner of All Honors, My Lord Bear Witness that I have delivered Your Message. Allah The All Knowing has already that Muhammad will do the best of job because he had the best curriculum/syllabus from Him. So Allah attached his nae to His as in "Muhammadu Rasulullah".

We the messengers of the Messenger [as] are trying to give you tutorial of the main course load which you will find in the Quran and explanation that agrees with the Quran in the sunnah/hadith.

Students are graded by the professors and Muhammad [sa] graded his companions as the best of "students". Then next are the follower of the companions. Then next are the followers of the followers. Allah says the scholars in every generation are people who know [more conscious] of Allah. Lacking knowledge coupled with arrogance [i wanted to say pride but change my mind because it is too strong in your case] will make the ignorant believe he/she is better than the professor.

We are school or even class/course mates with you in religion. except that you are cutting class and you in that mindset challenging the educational system of Islam.


To disproof your thinking that muslims from the beginning are not to ask hard questions, a woman disputed in Islam, and a chapter was revealed on her. A male companion was reported to tell other companions that the reason he always ask "about bad things [hard questions you may have thought]" is because the opposite of those things he asked will be good, so that he can know the good things to do.

Have you ever thought of hard questions to ask and no one gave you the desired answers? maybe the people you ask may have though you are not strong enough to handle the truth or they may not know the answers and not willing to admit. No question was asked the messenger [as] that he did not get an answer from Allah for.

Question about se.x is not a taboo. I have listened to people hard questions that even atheist will not discuss openly and they were given honest answer from the Quran; what is prohibited is clear and the rest is acceptable if you want it as long its not from not clearly permissible.


In your knowledge, I have not read anything about what got you to where you are, and you are so sure of your "correct position" that you have kept it from your family. If I discover something better than what i have been doing, my implementing this new thing in my life alone will not be all i will do. I will invite every person i can to come to it. Either you are not sure of any benefit to your life of this Godless position you find yourself now, maybe the reason you are hypocritical to your parents, keeping everything as a secret.

If you are grown and can make decision for yourself, fess up, lady and stop being deceitful.

@Paris-Love:

by Paris-Love: 1:00am

a 9yr old cannot consent marriage or sex. Hence it's rapë. Get that into your skull before you start your marathon reply.

you have just proven that she [ra] was older, minimum of the age where a person can consent to marriage or sex.

Are you saying Eve was created a baby?

The age does not matter in Eve but the physical maturity and reaching puberty mattered. And thats what happened to Aisha [ra].

Who told you Adam was intimate with from the first moment of her being alive?

I said she was capable at "birth" to be a wife and can take her husband who was also capable of being a husband at "birth".

You are From your theory, it's halal to have sèx with a baby girl the moment she's born?

How long was Eve alive before she was "old" enough to be a wife?

No surprises here Surah64:5 sanctions pedophila.

say what you want. we are not as you think. maybe you think we are holy ghost who just take it without marrying her, first.

Lol, you should look at what Allah did to maryam first.

please direct me to the verses in the Quran. I wanna know since the Trinity guy just hijack her.

Who knows maybe maryam the mother of Isa(as) was even younger than Aisha(s.a.w) shocked what's with the penchant for séx with underage girls?

I wanna read it from your post what Allah did with Maryam the mother of Isa bin Maryam [as]. I hope you will not be unable to post it since you are ashamed what holy ghost did to produce a baby from her. I could laugh, but i will not.

@Tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 5:09pm

If Allah is God in Arabic, why this?

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1952497,00.html

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/asia-pacific/malay-churches-firebombed-in-riots-over-non-muslim-use-of-allah

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8447450.stm

http://asiancorrespondent.com/27290/malaysia-church-firebombed-over-allah-issue/

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/01/08/malaysian-church-firebombed-amid-039allah039-dispute.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/08/malaysia.churches.attacked/index.html


Maclatunji, your brothers in Malaysia disagree with you - by force by fire! shocked

i believe that malaysians do have a name for God Almighty in their language[s]. Or is arabic their native tongue instead of Malays [their native language]? They could have picked from this many: Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonia, etc, but leave Allah Alone for the Muslims and Ellah for the Jesus son of Mary.

For christians who are not arabs to choose to call their God Allah or hold a debate about it, alone or with or aganst the muslims proves that Allah is to them is the Personal Name of God. I am certain that no muslim will write Yahweh or others that you will not find within Quran and Hadith as Name of THE CREATOR.


Do christians in Nigeria take the same position as the Malaysian christians? Why would a malaysian church choose Allah to represent their God if these christians are not Arabs? Or do the yoruba christians call their Baba to wa lorun Allah, too?

^^ You make no sense at all. I see that you are using THE QURAN to make a case for Jesus being faultless, when you cant find the same from THE GOSPELS. You should at least say from the jump start that you are getting GOOD information from THE QURAN when all else fail you. I agree with the Quran, while you are agreeing with THE QURAN with me, and rejecting the Bible in this case as I will provide evidence of his not not being faultless when you use good sense to read the Gospels.

Your bibles are corrupt and thats the reason Quran is correcting the corruptions.

When you guys Mary was a wife of Joseph, the Quran says she was has no relation with any man, not even a fiancee of old man Joseph.

it is from your corrupted bibles I was able to point out the corrupted opinions that normal minds see that you painted Jesus in. Though you become blind to it because you want to have somebody carry your keg of sins for you instead of you being responsible and mind your ways.

Quran paints Jesus and his mother as people who is protected from the influence of satan, while the bibles said he was carried away in temptation, and other temptations.

Quran says Jesus did not burden/troubled [jabaran] his mother, while the bibles he disappeared and arrogantly asked his mother as a lad that dont you know i will be in my father's house, as an adult called his mother, "woman" instead of mother.


It is the Quran that elevates Jesus son of Mary while the Bibles put him down so much so that one can say this man has no faith in God.

have you known a true husband that has not been intimate with his wife, a wife who he and her entered into a legal marriage contract?

Adam was a man who could be intimate starting from the very first day of his life.
Eve could be intimate from the very first moment of her being alive. In fact she walked up to Adam and informed him that she was his wife when he asked who she was.

Orikinla, you made a orikikere in this your post asking if a true prophet of God be intimate with a 9 year old, as if you are thinking that a wife has to be a particular age. Look at what the holy ghost from the bibles did to virgin Mary who was not married to him.

@Truthman2012: Read what i said before you post about where you will find faultless Jesus.

You will not find faultless Jesus in the Bible unless you dont know what FAULTLESS means.

If anyone calls his mother 'woman' in the public, the people around will probably think he has no respect or regard of the mother. thats a fault.
If a school president says to the students okay, the teachers not to use the word "fool" because it is not come from a nice heart. But he turns around at some point and called somebody "fool" in hear shot of the teachers. what do you think the teachers will say about the niceness of the heart of the principal who is now violating his own moral?

You have the above in the Bibles about Jesus disrespecting his mother, his virgin mother Mary and Jesus calling somebody a fool.

The Bible also said he called a tribe similar to a "dog" while the jewish nations and tribes are the humans at the table. The Bibles are littered with verses that show Jesus not a faultless light so much so that the jews found faults in him, so much so that as "God, son of God, prophet of God [take your pick]", in all his prayers Yahweh did not protect him [maybe because of that lack of protection he cried out to Ellah twice complaining before giving up the ghost instead of Jehovah saving him.


It is in the Quran you will not find a weak God. It is in the Quran you will not find God hanging the mistake of father on children, but everyone bears his own deeds. It is in the Quran you will find God forgiving faults of even people who seek sincere repentance. It is in the Quran you do find faultless Zachariah, John his son, Jesus son of Mary, each a prophet of God for the children of Israel. It is in the Quran you find God overlooking the fault of Moses instead of running after his life in the Bibles.

someday, if frosbel remains in christianity long enough, and i am alive, still, i may just read a Brother Frosbel's Bible.

Keep it coming, mehn. I will use what i read from you and others in my dawah effort.

Something to think about: I am visiting some christian friends, people [gathering] soon.

I am going to arrive there and tell an unmarried man among the that he is actually the father of a son of a woman there. The boy is his begotten son and I wanna see how the faces of the people will go into ugly frowns. The unmarried adult, the father of the baby [hopefully it will not be a baby made from a sper.m bank, because the momma may just sue the male as the father for real], the mother of the baby and if the bay is old enough to know his father from just "the uncles".

@TRuthman2012: It will disobedience to Jesus and the laws and the Prophets before him whom he sad he did not come to abolish their "presentations" or them that you now say OT should be dealt away with because many things were done wrong in there. Dont you know that Jesus knew those things and still told the disciples that they never should be abolished, but followed as he followed them?

If Jesus didnt teach you something like washing yourself in preparation for prayers, facing a direction in prayers, dont you then think that a man who came later to say that these things must be done was playing the role of the another comforter? After all he is tell you what Jesus said the disciples do not have faith enough to take.

I see that Lagosshia even gave you a link to show that Kaaba in Makka was a must visit place for the children of Israel and they only stop when idols was introduce into the place by idolaters.

You think Jesus was humble in washing somebody's feet? But imagine if Muhammad [sa] the person who washed even grandson's feet, you and others will allege some sickening reason behind it as if no one ever showed you love as a child making sure you were clean and know that you are loved enough that grandpa can kiss you.

You must realize that Jesus was not a christian and what you organize as how to pray is not from him and he bears no responsibility of what you made up and attach his name to it.


How do you know how to make compulsory prayers to God and i am not asking you about supplication as in petition or voluntary prayers? And in the Bible there is no faultless man after John because if you say dont abuse anybody because you will be punish for abusing anybody, why should you be the one that abuse somebody soon after that? And which faultless person talks arrogantly to his mother calling her "woman"?

If you wanna see which book defined Jesus as special, you have to go to the Quran where no sin is listed for him because he was kind to his mother. So was John.

@Tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 10:08am
^^^^^

Egbon, you are leaving the main issue and skirting around innuendos!

Apart from the structural breakdown of the word "Allah" in its constituent part as done in (i) of my post, where else was "Allah" spelt with a small "a".

Focus on the main issue, please.

How is Alif Laam which makes "The" {Al] in english the lower case when it will be part of what Forms Allah with Alif Laam Laam Haa of God {Illah], but when the christians are going to write the same word for their God, the Al suddenly is Capital Alif with the Laaam and Illah suddenly acquires Capital letter for the Alif that begins Illah?

If I write queen elizabeth some english have the right to correct me that it should be written as Queen Elizabeth. Those who are not muslims dubiously analyzing God Who is worshiped by the Muslims as lower god/idol [fake God] need to ask the muslims if when the stand to make the daily salah, do the have a god in their Imagination of Who they are about to worship? The answer will be no. Who I am ready to worship is not human, angel, jinn or anything created but the Creator Who is beyond imagination and human mind can not conceptualize Him.


There is no baby Allah as you may have baby Jesus son of Mary in a diaper. Allah is not spirit like the Holy Ghost who no one can give us his name. And all is not a tiring God that He will need to refresh Himself.

I simply will like any to explain their "God" to me instead of me giving them my opinion of their God. I may ask about clarification of whatever is unclear, like in the Trinity which is 3 distinct PERSONS but still 1 or why not accept that God created Jesus in a special way as He has been able to create Adam [as] and Even in 2 distinct special ways before and these were proofs that the special way does not make any of these men and woman God of his/her own. And in view of this, if you do not accept that Jesus was created, you will have to accept that Mary may have to be a consort because God will provide us information that will confuse and we can explain it.

After all we are humans and God is addressing as humans, so their is no reason to give us something our mind can accept. I know its "off topic", but it does provide some sense about how man can recognize The Unique Position and Quality of God that no other entity can have or share.

@tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 12:11am

Sir, as you are aware when using proper nouns such as names, the first letter is written in capital. I am just doing that. I don't think it affects the import of my message.

So if proper noun starts with Capital letter, when God of the Muslims in The Quran says He is Allah, why write allah [even if you believe me are idolaters] and in the case of God of the Christians you write Allah?

Do you think Adam [as] called his God no Name or I AM? What about Enoch, Noah, Ibrahim, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaqub, Yusuf [as] each of them prophets in Islam before the Bibles say that God of Israel who is God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said His Name is "I AM"? Is I am a proper name to you?

You people cant even write I AM in the language that Moses spoke or what Jesus spoke and see if it makes sense as Name of God. Then you compound this confusing giving me YHWH as a Name. Worse, you are told that His Name is ALLAH, but your prejudice reduced that to something you toy with.


Heck. I will leave you to maclatunji to console you if i upset you. You may just as well become a muslim and you will see your fortune skyrocketed with a ready made . . . . .

^^^You meant the christian will see Jehovah.

You have to be consistent in your choice of language region.

I am sure that you must have heard of Cat Steven of the 1970s rock era?


He is now a muslim and definitely if he were talking to his children in his native English, he will say God to mean Allah.


Muslims who enter Paradise will see The FACE OF ALLAH as The Greatest Reward.
Those muslims who were hypocrites will see THE FACE only ONCE before entering Hell Fire.
The seeing jut Once for the briefest of time is a punishment because they now have seen what is the Greatest Reward and will never see THIS REWARD again.

It will hurt [in the Greatest of Degree] in a similitude of seeing something you want of enjoyment in this life, but never you can get to it or made available to you [you love it but you never gonna get it].

Something like that. The enjoyments in Paradise is nothing to SEEING THE FACE OF ALLAH CONSTANTLY. I pray that all humans on earth now and those to come have this Greatest Reward. Amin.


This is available except those who do not want THE REWARD. I am sure all of us want good things.

@tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 8:45pm
@Maclatunji

I sense some sinister motive in your question. grin

Anyway,God is referred to in Arabic translation of the Bible as Allah, or more often these days as Allāh al-ʾAb




Due to you guys' penchant for appropriating prophets, places and names, please note the following;

(i) The term Allāh is derived from the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God"

(ii)The name "Allah" predates Islam as the term was first used by pagan Meccans (Arabic Speakers) as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia - L. Gardet, "Allah", Encyclopedia of Islam

(iii) With the coming of Islam, the existing term Allah was still used to describe the Supreme God (as defined in Islam). In effect, the term Allah, is generic, referring to a supreme deity.


(iv) Arab Christians today use terms such as Allāh al-ʾAb (God the Father) to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage.

(v) In most of Northern Nigeria, where the word for supreme deity in the Hausa lingual-franca is Allah (imported from Arabic as a result of Islamic influences), the local non-Muslim population, apply it in its generic term as Allah, or more common these days and like the Arab Christians, use the term Allah Uba (God the Father), or Ubangiji (Heavenly Father)

(vi) Unfortunately, despite the origin of the term Allah, not a few Churches in Malaysia have been firebombed by Muslims in protest of the use of the word Allah by Christians despite the fact the Courts agreed that the term Allah predated Islam and is a generic term for the supreme deity shocked

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1952497,00.html

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/asia-pacific/malay-churches-firebombed-in-riots-over-non-muslim-use-of-allah

tell me the differences between your post and the one below, from Islamic position since you are not even a muslim.

by tiarabubu: 8:45pm
@Maclatunji

I sense some sinister motive in your question. grin

Anyway,God is referred to in Arabic translation of the Bible as allah, or more often these days as allāh Al-ʾab




Due to you guys' penchant for appropriating prophets, places and names, please note the following;

(i) The term allāh is derived from the Arabic definite article Al- "the" and Ilāh "deity, god" to Al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God"

(ii)The name "allah" predates Islam as the term was first used by pagan Meccans (Arabic Speakers) as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia - L. Gardet, "allah", Encyclopedia of Islam

(iii) With the coming of Islam, the existing term allah was still used to describe the Supreme God (as defined in Islam). In effect, the term allah, is generic, referring to a supreme deity.


(iv) Arab Christians today use terms such as allāh Al-ʾab (God the Father) to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage.

(v) In most of Northern Nigeria, where the word for supreme deity in the Hausa lingual-franca is Allah (imported from Arabic as a result of Islamic influences), the local non-Muslim population, apply it in its generic term as allah, or more common these days and like the Arab Christians, use the term allah Uba (God the Father), or Ubangiji (Heavenly Father)

(vi) Unfortunately, despite the origin of the term allah, not a few Churches in Malaysia have been firebombed by Muslims in protest of the use of the word allah by Christians despite the fact the Courts agreed that the term allah predated Islam and is a generic term for the supreme deity shocked

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1952497,00.html

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/asia-pacific/malay-churches-firebombed-in-riots-over-non-muslim-use-of-Allah

In your post, where ever you wrote Allah and allah, I however replaced them by allah and Allah respectively in my own version. The questions for you are these:
Is there difference between post and my version of the same post? Let me

Is there a difference between your post and my version?

Let me ask you if there is a difference between tiarabubu and Tiarabubu? which one is your name and the one that is not your name, why is t not?

you know, a friend was just telling me that if you transmit TEXT or email, etc in all caps, it is considered that you are yelling at the recipient. How about that. so if I write an email where i say JEHOVAH LOVES YOU, or ALLAH BLESS YOU, can you imagine what i am doing?


I am writing to junior the father of Senior. Both are my friends. what i am going to say is that junior should whoop Senior for misbehaving this afternoon.

@Truthislight:

the Hebrew word has no vowels but was written in symbols.

big deal and that does not make it perfect since it was a dead language because there is no single revelation in it as it was in its original. Know that even the famous "tablets of the 10 commandments" are already lost indicating how careless these people are. I am sure that whatever Jesus son of Mary brought, the jews were not smart enough to record it, perfectly. It has to be the "according to" document you guys are taking as the original revelation or saying of Jesus. Words do not have to have vowels before you know what it means in your mother tongue, but its place in the sentence structure. please write sweetnecta in 2 different ways to demonstrate to me the one that its more important to me and the one i dont care about. i get to decide which one is what i prefer to be known as.

Eg. bLDG = building. But 100 years from now the meaning may get mixed up without vowels,

see why you have corruption? blDG could mean something else to those people whose trade is not about building. a dog groomer may say is bull dog while contractor says its building. You see why comforter the spirit of truth from God is a true prophet of God given revelation to teach new things, correct lies, etc?

but this does not NEGET the fact that it was "once" pronounce as building and does not mean that the word bLDG had a meaning.

if you an attorney dealing with financial matters, building will not come to mind, but a company name or something like that. You see why a word must be written down properly, completely in its original text?

As important as the name of God is, it can not be lost completely that the tribe that had the sense of it pronunciation will not know and passed it along from generation to generation.

have you ever met a jew? go to the biggest rabbi and ask him to tell you the Name of God and see if he knows it. Allah the Almighty knows how terrible they are. They killed and insulted many prophets [as]. They are still insulting Jesus [as] and his mother Mary up till this moment. They didnt just blew the chance of knowing the Name of Allah, the build an idol in form of cow and guess what they must have called it as they were worshiping it; you guess it, yhwh. It is no surprise that they did not keep pure the revelation of God on them that they corrupted what Moses was given. They abused Jesus and nothing good from those fake believers, who hideously made God that they disobey from Egypt to Canaan and still disobeying Him now a tribal God as if before Isaac no one knew that God exist.

Did you forget along with them that even before man was created by God, the creations that were existing knew God exist and He has a Proper Name and not the I AM that is improper since humans mind can only capture "proper" Name? What do think Adam [as] and Eve called their Lord, I AM? What do you think Noah called his God, "I AM"? Allah The Almighty has other Names which are descriptive of His ESSENCE. We see 99 directly. But you can form many more like ADDING 2 Names to Come up with another and ONLY HE knows how many Names and ways you can describe Him so that the listeners will know you are not talking about any creation; those who cry, get hungry and needing God and those who are powerless on their own power.

Jesus let us know that the Name of his God is not Yahweh but Allah [Ellah] as in the Ellah, Ellah. . .


And truthislight has the gut to say "Quran does not have the Name of "it" God". so what do you think Allah is if its not the Name of THE GOD in "it" [The Quran]? You will Islam more than Quran? Tell what The God calls Himself if Not ALLAH? Pick any chapter, any verse He says I AM ALLAH.

@Tobtap: ^^^ how you can say muslims have god and you people of bibles have God is dishonesty because on one hand, THE ALLAH of ISLAM in HIS Quran produced the best Arabic even your Bible have to borrow the words. Further how do you make a decision of lower case or upper case of arabic letters/ words especially when it is the muslims Quran that can let anyone know which letter in a word can not be lower case, even if it is an idol like the names of the 5 idols in Surah Noah and 3 idols in Surah The Star.

Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.'
Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?'
What shall I say to them?"

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said,
"Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,
'I AM has sent me to you.'

God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD (YHWH), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac,
and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever,
and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

Exodus 3:13-15

remember there is no YHWH in what the bold commands. I wonder how you guys and the jews come up with YHWH? does anyone know what YHWH is and if you say YAHWEH get me Yahweh from the lips of Jesus son of Mary when he cried out on the cross and where is Yahweh in Hallelujah.


If the God of Israel said to Moses that He is to be called "I AM", why do you guys call Him any other names? Including Yahweh/YHWH are all fake according to the instruction that "I AM" is the right Name from the instruction given to Moses.

God is Correct and all of you; jews and christians are wrong for calling Him any other name.


Actually "I AM" can not be a proper name. YHWH/YAWHEH cant be a proper name either. Yahweh seem to indicate The Ya of Arabic meaning {Oh} and Huwa of Arabic meaning [IT IS}. Yahweh/YHWH and {YA HUWA} can never be a proper name.

And when the arab christians are being cony using Alif LaamAlif to say AL il is dishonest of the highest order because this may be describing their God while we the users of Quran they borrow its grammar to formulate their bibles know who is god and Who is God. Allah Subhannah wa Ta'ala is God while other Gods are just gods as in man made Gods.

the muslims, instead of heaven will make PARADISE, InshaAllah.

let the christians keep their "HEAVEN".

We are satisfied with "PARADISE".

@Truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 7:46am
Your explanations as usual are not acceptable. They do not make spiritual sense. If the black stone is as small as a brick block and built into the wall of Kaaba, why is it particularly recorgnized differently from other blocks?

The wall of the Kaaba is brown brick. Definitely "black stone" in a metal casing around it is going to be "particularly recognizable".

It means it was built-in there for a purpose. Why was a 'black' stone built among brick blocks?

You should have learned something about the black stone and Ibrahim and his son Ismail [as] before you started your post that is full of holes that i could drive big wheels truck through. We in Islam have our tradition based the tradition/action of Ibrahim [as]. He was the one who built the Kaaba in his time. The black stone was white as milk at the time it was used as the "CornerStone" of the building. Do you know what cornerstone is to a building? It is not always in a corner or underground or same size and not always like other "building blocks".


It is always a special piece of the whole place the role of a reference point to other parts. You didnt mention the station of Ibrahim and others, but the simple black stone. It was from Ibrahim [as] to us a reference point. If you kiss it, it is not a sin. If you dont, it is not a sin. Why do Muslims turn to the Kaaba when they pray, except that it is a command, then we have our reference point for convergence when we pray, so you dont have 2 mosque in adjacent streets facing different directions.


Yet f you dont know the direction must face, you can almost face anywhere you thing the Kaaba is to you. I guess we dont worship the Kaaba and I wonder how we can worship the stone on its facade? Islam is so radically iconoclastic that only disingenuous people can say we are idolaters and shield Judaism who made God their tribal possession and the christian who clearly have 3 person God along with cross on their neck as a burden, a hanging man painting on their windows. we already know about the hindus, etc and i dont have to remind anyone.

It shows Kaaba was purposely built with idol worshiping in mind as the black stone was a part of the building.

Was Ibrahim [as] an idolater? which idol did the destroyer of Idol worship? which idol did Muhammad the other destroyer of Idol like Ibrahim and then Musa who destroyed the golden calf yahweh? In the Quran we see that Ibrahim [as] with his son Ismail [as] built the Kaaba and pray to Allah in their dedicating it as a "House of worship" to Allah which became a place that even the children made pilgrimage to in the tradition of the call of Ibrahim calling mankind and charity begins at home the reason his descendants in % per group are the people with the highest percentage of pilgrims.


What idol did Ibrahim bring in to the Kaaba when he completed it? Please give us the details. I give you a year or a lifetime so that before you die you can tell us or you may just have to become muslim in the process of finding what you will never find.

When kissing the black stone they wear special type of garment (like in cult) with their heads cleanly shaven and move round the Kaaba building where the black stone is. What do you call that? Worshiping God?

Muslims are shrouded in the same type of clothing [seamless clothe], only 2 pieces and at most 3 to cover the head area. Everyone wearing the two clothes in hajj [women dont wear these 2 pieces but dress as they would in salah without burka or covering of face]. People die during hajj and those 2 seamless pieces are their shroud. Shaving of head is humbleness commanded. Muslim is never humiliated by God and we are not idolaters.

An idol needs not be big like a whole house, it could even be smaller than a brick block. Here I rest my case.

an idol does not even have to be physical. Your spouse can be an idol, if you abandon worship of God for this spouse. your children can also be the same, so is the angel, a true prophet of God can be made to an idol; worshiped. Let me help you out of poor concept: poor muslim worship Allah. because of poverty he may never make hajj/at Kaaba. are you saying worshiping the stone is an integral essence of Islam?


So a person who worships Allah from Ijero Ekiti, Nigeria who died without going to Makka to "kiss" the black stone, is not a true worshiper, according to you? No one attach importance to the black stone or kiss it with much more importance to it than just imitating the sunnah of the prophet [sa]. There are sunnah of the prophet that i have not followed. Not that I dislike it, but just do not know it.


It is a sunnah to eat "date" when breaking your fast. I know a guy who find dates something he cant stomach. He is not a muslim, according to you? If a muslim make hajj and dont kiss the black stone, are you saying his hajj is incomplete and or he is not a true worshiper of God Who is above Heavens?

@Shala:

by shala: 4:36pm On Oct 17
n my own koran says "....ask not of the things if they made known unto you will trouble you but if ye ask of them when the Qur'an is been reveal, it shall be made know to you......"
yours say if you ask about them while the Qur'an is been reveal......

you seen to quote the translation more generously in your "my own koran says" while you see to do the same when you are quoting from my "yours say if you ask". I am very confuse at what you are getting at. On one hand you have not written as if you are a muslim, based on your response to maclatunji, above. First translation of any language is what the translator thinks it means. The truth is best known to the speaker, the listeners and the speaker of the original language and least person to understand it will be the one who is reading translation along without having the interest in the purpose of the original statement except to find fault in it. Non muslims who are not arabic speaker will be the least to appreciate the verse of Quran.

Let me share something with you. The verse commanding "believing women" to cover was revealed because Umar bin Khattab [ra] asked the Messenger [sa] wishing that muslim women be identified differently from non muslim women. Of course Allah make the lips of Umar ask as in saying it in a wishing matter, immediately the verse came in Surah Ahzab. Umar [ra] asked if something special could be done at the "STATION" of Ibrahim [as] which is in the vicinity of Kaaba. Immediately, the instruction came which results to making 2 rakat at the station by pilgrims. The messenger [sa] did not continue the tarawih of the month of ramadhan after the 3rd night. The people gathered and went asking that the messenger [sa] come out to lead this salah the 4th night. He told them that he is concerned that if he continue to lead them, it may be made a compulsory prayers, where it was a sunnah [voluntary] then and because the listened to him, it is a sunnah for us, now and for ever.

These saying from these two translation does not look like it support you analogy of a parent who have a child with bad character or that of having a spouse every thing in skirt. those are clearly referring to religious matter ....ask of them when the Qur'an is reveal clearly(my understanding) is saying ask those whom the qua ran have been reveal to.

is there anyone who the uran was revealed to before Muhammad [sa]? Is there a previous Quran in the hand of any previous religious community before the community of Muslims that Muhammad [sa] is leading from Makka to their larger group in Madina after Hijra? If you know anything that we muslims dont know about previous "Quran and the community[ies] that has it previously". we may just have to learn from you.

That verse got me worried when someone working with national hajj commission said that the deportation of Nigerians women should been taken up with an Islamic scholar so as to understanding while the Saudis when were doing what they did. God do not want to put much legislation on Muslim you said, and it is a means of mercy of GOD. are you saying Muslims are not to burden themselves with understanding of their faith?

Saudi arabia, like every society is nationalistic. If it not for the religious duties, Saudi will not by now with all the petrodollar will not want to see anyone in saudi arabia except people with a lot of money. Every arab country is like this, except Morocco if any.

The burden which Allah does not want to put on us including a person he is not a muslim on his tongue if he thinks people will hurt him or kill him if the know he is muslim, while the heart if full of faith. Making salah with only your eyes if life may be in danger if people know you are making salah, or if it involves health issue of standing, and bending and prostrating. In fact, ablution can be replaced with Tayammum [rubbing stand on just few body parts]. You may not make the shower of purity, yet can pray, etc if you are in a place where the condition will not permit you to take proper prescribed shower. Fasting is also made easy, so are many things including husband and wife matters. I am sure that when the christians or jews are fasting, they may actually not come close to their spouse. In Islam, you can sleep beside your spouse. As long as nothing of se.xual intercourse happens, some older couple can even hug because they are also like siblings, definitely good friends who do not have to crush each other each time they are alone. I can give you more example of ease.

And as to do not ask so that the information that will be given to you will hard/burden [not a fan of the info], i will use the pronouncement of divorce to explain, though not asked. For example a person can marry the same spouse 3 times, which means he can divorce the spouse 2 times before marry this spouse the 3rd time. We shall use man initiating the divorce though woman can initiate the divorce.

The man when divorcing his wife for the first time can sincerely say "I divorce you" just 1 time and the divorce is final. He can also say insincerity "I divorce you" more than 1 time [so lets choose 3 times in this case]. As i understand it the divorce is just for the first marriage whereas you have not married her the second time, still. Imagine this man saying in anger "i divorce you" 100 time. Has he married her 100 times before divorcing 100 times in this case?

It is known that some people agree that if you say I divorce you 3 times, you will forfeit marrying here again because your 3 sayings is enough to get you to give another man a chance on a woman you love so much that in anger you didnt divorce her 1 time, but divorce her in marriages that you should have with her still both 2nd and 3rd marriages in the future. For me, I will never open my mouth to say I dont want what I love. Can you imagine if the muslims have asked the messenger [sa] that if i divorce my wife by saying i divorce you 10 times in one statement of divorce, have i divorced her 10 times, meaning that i will have to assume that i divorced her 3 times and she married another who divorced her after the rd marriage. then i am assumed to marry her 3 times and divorced from her and she married another guy who married her 3 times and after the 3rd, divorced her. Then i married the 7th time up to the 9th divorce. Then she married another man who divorced her after the 3rd marriage. Now i have her for the 10th marriage which i have divorced her and i am now marrying her for the 11th time. Main while because of my anger, 3 men have had chances to crush her as husbands.

Lets look at the reality if this was the case: she probably had a tons of children for 3 men now and neither me nor is still young. Lets assume that my anger can in the first month of our marriage and i lost her by 10 divorce pronouncements. I was just beginning to know her and now 3 men will know plenty of her and by the time I am her husband for the 11th marriage, its 3 years and 6 kid of 3 men.

Another scenario is muslim who forgets that he/she was fasting and do things that are not supposed to be done when fasting; eating a good example here. The muslim remembers and his fasting is good even after eating a huge steak meal. But if the muslims have asked what would be the recommended compensation when he remembered, maybe that would have been made 1/2 of compensation of the 60 days of consecutive fasting when one intentionally break a fast for no other reason except for self satisfaction of some short lived enjoyment.

In both cases, Allah knows Best and I am glad that the companions [ra] did not ask. . . .

@Nextpart:

by nextpart(m): 12:04pm On Oct 16
There is no disputing the fact that whatever object or image people worship is an idol.

like the cross, i imagine.

In the pre-islamic period there were so many idols in Mecca and Kaaba was the house or centre where these various idols were kept.

this is quite true except Kaaba was not built to house idols. but later generations of people brought idols to it being their 'known' first "center". Do you now that the first idol was brought to it by an arab who became an idol worshiper based on his interaction with the hindus in India?

In Kaaba, the house of the idols was ''the black stone''.

black stone is just a stone on the wall of the Kaaba. your statement is incorrect about the black stone being the house of the idols.

The black stone was the idol of the hanifans.

there is no evidence to what you say here, because the hanifans are those people who do not add any god with God, radical monotheism, i will say. Abraham the father of "faith" was a hanifan. The jews claim that they follow his faith. so do the chrstians. so do the muslims. unless you say the jews and the christians are idol worshipers, is what you are saying when they say the follow Abraham the hanifan who you are saying is an idolator?

If the hanifans truely believed in the true God, they would not have created an object of worship for themselves.

you will have to provide evidences here.

What object of worship did Abraham create for himself and his family? Whose example did the hanifans copy?

you will rope yourself tightly the way you are going.

When Muhammad was born his father had died. At a time in his life he had contact with a spirit who introduced himself to him as Gabriel and appointed him as Allah's messanger.

Gabriel had no authority to "appoint" but convey Message of his Lord to whoever he has been commanded to convey the Message to.

Muhammed started his job as Allah's messanger warning the people of the consequences of refusal to worship Allah alone. He was resisted by other idol worshipers who saw him as trying to impose his father's Allah on them.

what is bad is that your prejudice has blinded you. "His father's Allah" and before that you said the "other idol worshipers"? what are you insinuating here: that Muhammad [sa] was an idolater and Allah is idol he wished them worship? Do you know that every society, culture and language knows that there is The Everliving Creator and this Creator has a Proper Name? The yorubas call this Ultimate Creator Oluwa, Olorun [because they know He is not on earth, but much much far above it, like heaven [though He is Above All Heavens], Eleda as Creator of man, Eledumare because no one can know His Complete Essence. I dont know your native tongue the igbos call This Creator Chineke and other Names. The Hausa calls Him Obanjigi {i hope the spelling is correct and my apologies to the other 200 plus tribes i do not mention]. What do your people The Creator, The One you say as a christian sent Jesus son of Mary to the whole world, though Jesus said he was sent to the "lost sheep" of the house of Israel?

Remember Abdullah (Muhammad's father) means ''Servant of Allah'' Now Muhammed wanted to force all of them to abandone their various idol and worship his father's Allah alone.

There is a difference between slave of Allah and worshiper of Allah. Slave of Allah [Abdullah] is all humans whether worshiper or not. Worshiper of Allah [Ibadullah] is those who obey Him as commanded, because true obedience is worship. You have not heard of Ibadullah before I am sure. "Ibad, Ibada [act of worship], ibadu, . . ." are different from just slave of Allah. Not every slave of Allah is worshiper of Allah. But every worshiper of Allah is a slave of Allah.

When Muhammad succeeded in overcoming his enemies in war, he went to Kaaba where various idols were housed and destroyed them. But he did not destroy all the idols, he retained ''the black stone''. The black stone forms part of worship of Allah till today.

the "war" that Muhammad overcame his enemy in the victory of Makka is actually a battle-less war, which no blood of any enemy was shed. Allah promised that the victory will come and I am not surprise that the hearts of the enemies were made to tremble, hence they did not lineup for battle in this war, that at the end what was destroyed were "idols". "The Black Stone" is just a stone not bigger than a brick or cement block. How is this solid thing on the wall of a building is itself an idol or housing idols?

Those who go to Mecca for pligrimage go to Kaaba to kiss the black stone as part of their assignment in worshiping Allah. What does the kissing of an idol get to do with the worship of the true God?

it is not a must that the black stone must be kissed and no one thinks of it or even the whole Kaaba except what they represent; direction of prayer because Allah commanded the Kaaba as the direction [point]. There are others including the starting point of the required going around of the cubic building known as kaaba.

This speak volumes about the Gabriel who was speaking to Muhammad. Could a true angel of God permit or authorize and incorporate an idol into the worship of the true God? Never.

Is the black stone which is part of one wall of a building that even its roof people stand on the idol, when the whole building [Kaaba] is not an idol? Could you tell me what is so special about what Muslims do with the black stone that it became idols of the muslims, in your own mind? If its the kissing, then we will say everything you kiss is worshiped by you.

Interestingly, in Islam all acts of worship is forbidden except what Allah permits; so when Angels were commanded to prostrate to Adam [as], when Israel and his family prostrated to Joseph, those who prostrated were worshiping who the prostrated to or the angels were obeying the Commandment of Allah, Allah made the dream of Joseph a true dream? I am not going to let you comment on satan telling Jesus of the bibles to worship him and Jesus your God worshiping my God all night.

Some muslims said the black stone is not an idol. If it is not an idol, why was it in the same house with many other idols in Kaaba? Do people worship God and idol in the same building? What do you call an object that people worship?

a window of a house, a protruding block/brick, on the wall is permanent part of the house. you can remove the furniture and you will still have a complete house. but if you remove the window or the protruding brick, you will have an incomplete house. The presence of the black stone on the Kaaba is like the presence of the window or protruding brick on the complete house/building. The idols were like the furniture[s]; bad furniture[s].

By the way apollo theater in harlem usa has a stump that the performers rub their hand on before getting on stage. If you ask the people who rub their hands on it they will not say they are worshiping it, but because they are instructed to do so by the Apollo management.

Muslims do not worship anything you can see or seen or even unseen, but worship the Lord, Creator of all of them, based on what He says we should do as means of worshiping Him.

The source of Islam being as stated above accounts for the reason why it is violent, unforgiving and totally different from the gospel of Jesus.

i wonder how you made such a leap of faith to arrive at this about Muslims, rather Islam, especially when there is no "gospel of Jesus"?

A pure falsehood is easy to detect but if a little truth is mixed with it, there will be serious difficulty to detect. You can call Satan any name but not a fool. Satan is an expert in deception.[/uote]you just described corrupted Bibles; okay your NT.


[quote]It is only a candidate of Hell that would see the truth and refuse to accept.

the jews often say, if jews go to hell as the christians say, Jesus is a jew. . . I as a muslim say, if muslims go to hell as you are saying, the religion of Jesus is Islam and we know he was not a christian and he worshiped a "Lord" his God in the same way i worship the same God.

^^^ the one who thinks he is free of satan may actually be the secured follower of satan.

Alhamdulillah, we curse satan daily. That tells everyone including the jinn, satan himself we are his enemies.

From the pages of the Bibles, satan took the son of man, Jesus through many things; including carrying him, etc as they say.

can anyone who says he follows the Biblical Jesus not expect that satan is carrying him/her? If they think they are immune, then they are already taken.
You can't be more secure than you master in the Bibles. If he was carried, you must have been roped in.


I will now respond to some of the proposals above.

@Seyibrown:

by seyibrown(f): 3:54pm
@Sweetnecta

hey you. longest time. happy to know you're doing well.

Four simple questions and I require four straight answers, please.

no problem.

1. Are Muslim females allowed to play with dolls up to the age of 16 and 19?

even beyond that. i have seen mothers playing with dolls. a wife playing with dolls.

2. Was Eve created as a new born baby or a woman?

before Eve grow to be a woman she was a rib. at birth, when she became a woman, she was ready to be a wife, from day 1. if the angels who witnessed the creations of Adam [as] and Eve were to give their opinion of how these two people have babies, they would not be able to guess the obvious, because the Complete Knowledge of the future which include human reproduction by Adam and Eve is with God. So when intercourse was the means they produced children, it would have been a surprise to the Angels who witnessed their creation, a surprise to Adam and Eve that their kind in miniature are now here.

God also produce a person without this means, about because of another surprise giving us understanding of the Unlimited Power/Ability of God. It is no surprise that Aisha [ra] could be younger or even young specifically made for the prophet [sa] so that she could the purposes that she served for believers; she narrated hadith that only spouse could know. She was a brilliant woman with a lot of information that benefits us. Marriage in Islam does not give a numerical benchmark to begin, but maturity of brain, mind, etc with physical signs as for women and men puberty must be reached.

3. Will you allow (have you allowed) any man to have s/e.x with your daughter at the age of 6 or 9?

instead of her being the jigijigi training person of the neighborhood boys, if she reached puberty at that age and was craving for marriage, seyi, i will let her go before my house become where all the neighborhood boys learn the rope about se.x

4. Have you had s.e/x with any female aged between 1 month and 9 years?

if the yorubas do it, islam does not let me have se.x with somebody who is prepubescent and who i am not married to. i know that the holy spirit got a lady older than 9 pregnant without marrying her which should constitute rap.ing or engaging i fornication.

^^^^

O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.

it does not say dont add hard questions, dont ask about things that when the details is made known to you if will be a cause of distress. This is a way of giving Mercy because if you never ask you will not know the details, but may just have only suspicion.

let say a parent whose child has a bad character ask people if they have been offended by the child with the character. the moment tell him, he will be sad, even ashamed, both being worse than just knowing that the child this bad character. if you ask if your child have stolen from your friend, you will worse of when you are told yes, instead of you just knowing that he has the potential of thievery.

if your spouse is after every skirt, you will be worse of when your friend tells you that he had ask, because you ask her to tell you the truth instead of just suspecting that he may have.


In the case of the verse, not asking is a means of Mercy from God Who does not want to put too much legislation on muslims. But they were to have asked if night prayer was compulsory, for example, it just be made compulsory where now is option.

^^^ Yes. I am alright in this cold weather.

Are you okay in the hot because the sun has a lot of harm rays thing this time of the day.
Brains of winos get fried easily.

@Reyginus:

by Reyginus(m): 8:24am On Oct 16
Isnt this supposed to be a question and answer thread? Why is it degenerating into something else?
Logicboy calm down, tbaba, either you admit you dont know the meaning or you tell us.
Nothing less.

He gave you the correct answer, you find fault with it similar to if I go to your village and i say to them that what they mean when they speak their language is wrong. All of us are Ruuhullah because the Ruuh tat Allah allow to make us human instead of dust, egg/sperm is created being Human ruuh/ which is Naf

More than half of the questions raised have not been answered.
Hahahaha.

before you haha to much, read the topic. it says 2 people, until you all came out of your burrows/underground hole/bunkers like locust. Now its my turn to ha.

I dont know if the Op thinks people here are gullible.
I have questions to ask, but let's wait and see what he make of the already asked ones.

pass your questions to your comrades. haha.



@Busybee24:

by busybee24: 8:34am On Oct 16
Ok so the prophet married a girl at six but waited till she was nine to consumate the marriage. Roughly speaking he should have been in his fifties by then... how on earth is that justified?

Here is the justifications; it is not clear that Aisha [ra] is 6 and or 9 but may have been 16 and or 19 minimum. But then let just take your 6 and 9 and pay attention that she was a willing wife who participated in formulating her marriage contract, knowing fully what she wants, what she was getting to be and was happy with all that she got in the contract. A wife is not forbidden to have wifely relationship with. Adam was old enough to become a husband from the moment he became a living human male. He waiting around alone and became lonely because God has put in him that feeling. Eve was created and ready to be a wife from the moment she was alive. She walked up to Adam and let him know that she was his mate. Both of them were ready to be husband and wife from day 1 of their being created. Let just say from your view point, Aisha had to wait for 6 years to be ready while Eve was ready from day 1. At least both couples were married, Eve to Adam [as], Aisha [ra] to Muhammad [sa].

In the case of Mary and the male holy ghost there was no marriage and Mary was a young girl who was finishing her first menstrual period. Holy Ghost got her pregnant. How old is Mary and how young was holy ghost when they produced Jesus? Christians need to pay attention. If Yahweh made Mary old enough to take Holy Ghost, then Allah created Aisha [ra] to be legal wife to the Messenger [as]

Why is it that when there any atrocious activities that occur you never hear alot of muslim scholars, imams , leaders or so on speak out with a united voice against such crimes?

we should blame them for having lukewarm attitude where they are expected to be the leading force for goodness.

islam is by far the most restrictive when it comes to women rights so how can they claim a handle on giving women the most rights?

in Islam what a man can do, women can do. I said in Islam, I did not say in the so called Muslim community where they practice their own Islam and not the 100% Islam. wife does not have to bear husband's name, even cook for him as long as she care for the children, while husband goes out to make money for the family. there is no glass ceiling, so much so that in Islam wife can initiate divorce. From your view, i guess islam needed to make women wear pants and do exactly or more than men, while she is the one that will carry pregnancy to term.

the constant need to fight for your God.. surely if he is God he cant be powerless .

this was my argument as i read the killing of disbelievers and their animals in the OT, and as I read about the hanging of the man God in NT.

or even more baffling is the constant mayhem over the prophet.. why the perpetual rush to violence... is islam the only religion that has been mocked?

you see, i can not make your mama joke about another man's mama without him saying he is not happy if he loves his mother. The same man can make your mama joke about his mother and laugh it off. I know how I love my mama. A person who says anything about her may see my anger come out. But I love Muhammad [sa] more than I love my beloved mother. I hope my mother understands that and love Muhammad [sa] more than she loves me otherwise i will be disappointed. Imagine the same feeling that is amplified 1.5 Billions times? And you have a non muslim saying now this is the man he wishes to lampoon and lie against? You can offer such a fella candies. I will not offer him any candy.

is sharia law an adequate system in this present day and age

what has change in man that makes sharia in appropriate on him now? Has he developed 2 heads and 7 tongues or some super physicality that the people of past time didnt? Sharia deals wth the morality of man now as it did with it in the time of the Prophet [sa]. Adultery is bad now as it was bad then, you just have to have a shameless spouse who sleeps around before you know that Sharia is here to protect you, its your friend like the cop on the beat.