oswardic:
(1) [s]What is this one talking about? Who is Ugbe?[/s]

You can deny your own self all you want. In fact, that’s exactly what you must do. Lol. It’s a sign of conquest.

[s]Did the Oba of Benin make a visit to Ile Ife to argue on geology? Make Una de type with sense small small?[/s]

What nonsense is this one typing?? Lol.

No one is asking your Ọba to argue, dummy. All your Ọba had to do was to simply tell us his “truth”.

He may then later eat back some of his words (like he did at his own party), but they would have been out.

Your Ọba came to Ife and could not dare repeat what he supposedly thinks is true. He cowered. Lol.

Historians have said the Kaladerhan tale is fraudulen, your Ọba too apparently knows it’s fraudulent.

[s]I do hope you know Ooni requested that they visited the Orun Oba Ado not at the request of the Oba of Benin... Political moves lol ..[/s]

Lol. No. I actually know that the Ooni didn’t need your king’s permission before your king knows to call at the Orun-Ọba-Ado burial site.

Even if the Ooni had truly randomly brought that up in the middle of their conversation that day, your king still didn’t have to go; but he did as the TV news report have stated in clear terms.

Moreover, the issue is not even about who brought it up, when it was brought up, why did he agree, etc. No that’s not the issue. The actual issue is about what he actually agreed to go there to do. The TV news report state in clear terms that he (your king) went there to pay homage to Benin kings buried there.

And that’s not the only site your king visited. He also was at the Oranmiyan grove. We know exactly what was done to him there. It’s an open secret.

[s]A typical you, always changing people's words to suite your brainless ego.. I wrote two different comments on two different responses you gave, and you connoted all to one? Wisdom indeed is a scarce commodity.. [/s]

My first response saying "The Benin Oba said it to his face" is concerning the nonsense you said about the Oba not able to talk about your so call Ekaladerhan fraud story and I shared a video to buttress that point and you later went further to say the Oba ate his word and the video showed clearly where the Oba's word was definite.

You’re used to being cunning, obviously because you are surrounded in Benin by insanely moronic dullards who are very easy to trick. You’re about to learn a big lesson. Fasten your seat belt.

Now, you’re claiming here that your say it to his face comment was a reply to my dared not mention it comment. Lol.

Whereas, the actual reality is the reverse of what you are fraudulently claiming here:

(1) You wrote at 3:57pm On Feb 03 that “it was said to your Ooni's face”

(2) I replied at 4:06pm On Feb 03 that your Ọba “dared not mention the Ekaladerhan fraud” at the Ooni’s palace.

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In other words, you didn’t reply with say it to his face to my dared not mention it comment.

Rather, it was I who replied with my dared not mention it comment to your say it to his face comment.

You have just been exposed again for the umpteenth time as a delusional fraudulent nincompoop.

Having now exposed you, it becomes clear that your reason for writing your say it to his face comment is to give the usual dumb Bini insinuation that your Ọba is FeArLeSs, etc.

However, such dumb insinuation is rightly debunked when I pointed out his caveat where he noted that his own statement is not necessarily true for others.

He knows his boundary, hence he debunked the very insinuation which you (among other slave-subjects of his) wish to push out. He ate back part of his words.

[s]Secondly, you talked about the Oba's visit to Ife and how he could not talk about the Ekaladerhan fraud and I told you how can he possibly talk about that when His purpose of visit was to appreciate the Ooni for gracing his coronation just as the Oba did in Sokoto, Warri, etc and you said why didn't he talk about it...[/s]

Wrong!

You’re giving an excuse/pleading that the reason why your Ọba didn’t talk about Ekaladerhan is because his visit has nothing to do with that.

This excuse/pleading doesn’t fly because while he was giving his submission, he brought up the Ife & Benin connection. You get the gist?

However, he literally cut out the fraudulent part about Ekaladerhan. Why couldn’t he say his truth? Your Ọba is neither FeArLeSs nor BrAve after-all — contrary to what you (and his other slave-subjects) love to think.

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Yes, the purpose of your Ọba’s visit was more than appreciation.

You heard clearly in that Channels TV report that your Ọba “paid homage” at Ọrun-Ọba-Ado at Ife.

Your Ọba din’t pay any such homage when he visited Warri, Sokoto, etc. Or did he? Now that is the key difference between his Ife visit and his other visits.

[s]Please, I am absolutely sure I am having a discourse with a pretty young girl who thinks she has read so much and could just vomit some nonsense in exchange for wisdom.[/s]

A young girl who brought down decades of Benin lies?? Yup!

[s]Go back to bed, maybe your brain might generate little wisdom to survive the day without saying much trash as other days.[/s]

You should take your own advice. It is you who need such advice since you’re clearly having sleepless night.

Cheers.

oswardic:
[s]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmrS2lrjPc

Sometimes I wonder if your brain can not comprehend truth or you're just dumb to be corrected.

In the Oba's coronation, you're expecting him to over push on a topic that is highly controversial so that his coronation can have a bad ending? Make Una de get sense small small. The Benin King is too mature to start ranting as a kid. He knew your people can be highly noisy and it is the obvious truth, it is not in our place to force truth through blind minds that does not want to accept the truth

Secondly, he visited your Ooni, your Ooni's home and you expect him to cause an argument there? Please, is it that you're just too stupid to notice wisdom when you see one? He cut out of it, what message does it send to you?

You saw the two culture, do they have anything in common? Please spare me your foolishness this early morning laho..[/s]

Thanks for admitting that your Ọba ate back his words at his own party.

Thanks also for realizing that your Oba dared not say that nonsense at the Ooni’s palace.

In sum, I am glad that historical scholarship exposed that nonsense to be a fraud.

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Notice how you’ve now made a sharp 180^o about turn.

You went from:

(1) Omonoba said it to Ooni’s face, and Ooni couldn’t do nothing at the party. Haha.

And now to:

(2) Omonoba only ate back his words at his own party because Omonoba doesn’t want trouble.

Only b*st*rds or sl*ves move how you’ve just moved. And I’m not surprised.

A typical Bini person will continue to insist that white is black unless one repeatedly knocks their dry skull to the point where their brain resets & they confess that it is indeed white. That’s literally what I just did to you to make you get back your senses.

Cheers.

Cc: SirNewtonNG

oswardic:
[s]Eeya, cry me an ocean my dear..
Who would hold the right information if not the Oba of a kingdom, Oba is talking your bobrisky ass is responding as usual, a bitch.

Your foolishness is really increasing in capacity, the same video you want Tao to help you post, I can explain it very well to you, did your unknowledgeable mind also know that The Benin King also visited Sultan of Sokoto to appreciate his presence at his Coronation as well? Sorry, your brain would tell you abi the Oba of Benin is also related to The Sultan of Sokoto...

The Oba of Benin is too mature to start talking as your Ooni was doing during the Oba of Benin visit, saying he's giving him a gift of the picture of Oranmiyan lol... if you watch the video quite well, I hope you would see a slight smile on the Oba of Benin's face? Lol ... He knew The Ooni was trying to play a fast one, and did you hear the anxiety in his voice when he was saying those things? Lol...

My dear, Una no near.... The Portuguese came and were surprised at a well structured society in such a location they've written off but couldn't say a dime about the Yoruba kingdom..

I have my reservation for dull brained people like you though... For now, you can continue crying me ocean[/s]

Why did you stop using your UGBE account lately? I noticed you stopped. What happed to you??

(1) Anyway, thanks for the video — I have replied you in my foregoing comment wherein I also embedded a video of your Oba at the Ife palace showing how your Oba gave up the Ekaladerhan fraud.

(2) Moreover, during that same visit of your Oba to his ancestral source, i.e. Ife, your Oba completed his rite of passage to kingship — one of which involves that he pays homage at the Orun-Oba-Ado (Heaven of Benin King) burial site, among others.

The following is a Channels TV report relevant to this statement. Time-stamp 0:22 to 0:28.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZhU2AmpvJk

We know your Oba paid courtesy visit to other kings in the country too — such as: the Sultan of Sokoto.

But did your Oba pay homage to previous Benin king burial site in Sokoto and elsewhere? Of course not.

There are no such burial site of Benin kings there. It’s present only in Ife, and your Oba duly paid homage to where homage is due. Now that’s the key difference between his Ife visit and his other visits. Capeesh?

Channels TV is not wicked, demonic, & evil, because I know for sure that’s the next superficial go-to on your mind courtesy of your paranoid personality disorder.

Channels is an Edo-owned organization if that helps to deal with your paranoia delusions.

(3) Thank God Benin was accessible to the Portuguese in the 1400s. Otherwise, we may not have known that Benin kings are subordinate & inferior to an overlord outside Benin whose ‘name’ is spelt in the Portuguese writings as “Hooguanee”, “Ogane”, and whom scholars have found to be non other than the Ọɣọnẹ of Ifẹ.

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Benin know your small place.

Cheers

Cc: SirNewtonNG

oswardic:
[s]Let me help you fuel your hot tears right now.... I think you saw your mummy has refused to post the video of her lies since you asked.... This will eventually bring all your mummy's lies to the public... DIRECT SPEECH from the Benin Oba.... [/s]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFuOlZSfM4

Thanks subject for fetching me this video which I had talked about earlier.

Your Ọba mentioned the Ekeladerhan fraud at his ow coronation party. Why exactly would you assume that the Ooni would request (or even be given) a platform to debunk whatever your Oba just said at his party?

Anyway, my earlier point is that your Oba knows that whatever he is saying at that party is NOT meant to be completely true and binding for his Yorùbá overlords.

As I noted earlier, your Oba ate it back by immediatel noting that if he (your Oba) insist that the Ekaladerha fraud is an absolute truth, then that would mean that he (your Oba) is already passing his boundary.

Your Oba’s precise words (from time-stamp 0:53) goe thus: “But it is not our place to force this recognition to other outside our boundaries”.

In other words, your Oba knows that this fraud is not defensible—especially since it has been dragged in the mud by submission of historical scholarship. Your Oba ate his words up at his own party right there.

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Regarding your Oba’s homage visit to the palace of Hi Imperial Majesty — the Ọɣọni of Ifẹ, Ọba Adeyeye:

Your Ọba was given an opportunity to say something about the connection between father-Ifẹ & son-Benin, many gullible Binis present would have expected him to repeat the Ekaladerhan fraud.

Of course he (your Oba) knew better. He knew never to make such costly mistake. He gave his submission and literally “cut out” and swallowed the aspect of the Ekaladerhan fraud. He knew not to peddle a lie at his overlord’s palace. He (your Oba) dared not.

Watch the video below for yourself — particularly from time-stamp 13:00 to 13:50 and notice how your Oba skillfully cut out the Ekalderhan part. He would have received the curses of his life if he didn’t cut it out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

Summary:
(1) Your Oba mentioned the Ekaladerhan fraud at his own party—and he immediately ate it back right then and there. Thanks for providing the video for this.

(2) Your Oba mentioned the Ife & Benin connection at his master’s Ife palace— and your Oba dared not bring up the Ekeladerhan fraud. He literally cut it out.

Cheers.

Cc: SirNewtonNG

oswardic:
[s] he ate his word abi wetin this one de talk? So you mean he would stupidly go to your Ooni's home and argue? Oh! I forgot wisdom is scarce in your words... [/s]

Well, you stupidly thought the Ooni would argue at his son’s (your Oba’s) party.

Anyway, my point is that your Oba ate his words (not at the Ooni’s palace, but) at his (your Oba’s) own party when he (your Oba) clarified that whatever he (your Oba) is saying is NOT meant to be a universal truth for his Yorùbá overlords particularly.

As regards your Oba’s visit to the Ooni’s palace, your Oba didn’t even mention the Ekalderhan nonsense at all — he dared not.

The issue of him (your Oba) eating back his words did not arise this time around (like at his party) because he was too scared to even bring up the Ekaladerhan nonsense. He (your Oba) simply stopped at the fact that an Ife prince (Oranmiyan) was the first Oba of Benin.

Kisses

oswardic:
[s]Go and watch the coronation of the present Oba of Benin, you will see it for yourself how it was said to your Ooni's face that your Oduduwa is our son lol, you're here forming keyboard champion [/s]

No, your Ọba immediately clarified by admitting that he (as a Bini king) dare not insist to his Yorùbá lords [i.e. Ooni, et al.] that what he (the Bini king) is saying is necessarily true.

In other words, your Oba ate his words right there & then indicating that he’s only regurgitating the 1970s fraud pioneered by his late father.

In any case, it was your Ọba’s coronation party and as such attendants must allow him have his time to make his submission. No the program didn’t plan to have a debate.

If you really thought the Ooni would jump on stage & drag the microphone from his son even after the son had eaten his own words; then you have to think one more time. Plus the Ooni didn’t come with his mic. Or did he? This is the dumbest thing I’ve heard.

Guess what!? It got worse when your Ọba came to Ife. He dared not mention the Ekaladerhan fraud in that palace — his need to eat his own words didn’t even arise this time around as he he couldn’t even dare utter the Ekaladerhan fraud it out of his mouth.

Kisses

oswardic:
[s]Lol, go and work on your grammar before reverting.[/s]

Thanks secretary, but no thanks.

Binis must serve Yorubas. You are a living witness.

BTW: If truly you’re an Edo man, then tell me your Yoruba name.

oswardic:
[s]Lol, I understand, you want me to help you through your delusion, sorry I can't .. Where do you want to see Father figure, loser?
Benin kingdom any day any time is your Father, there's no comparison, even your Ooni knows... So sorry kiddie... I'm still waiting for your answers to my list of questions... Mtchew..[/s]

No you’re the delusional one who keeps vowing never to come back but keeps coming back for more just like a b!tch.

Plus at a gathering of leaders, the fathers take front seat, the children fight their spot out at the back as is attached below.

Beating after beating. Flogging after flogging.

oswardic:
[s]Nah, my last comment to you, you deserve no response from me until you learn to write with wisdom and not just knowledge..[/s]

Nobody asked you to flood here with tears.

All we ask for is that you accept your father as your father. That’s not too much to ask for. Or is it?

oswardic:

(1) [s]Who is this nuisance talking and writing junkie lies and senseless talks against people who owns their history and heritage... You mean Igodomigodo started having ogiso when Oduduwa, a true prince of Igodomigodo came to colonize and taught you guys civilization so you don't keep going around naked is when his birth place started having leadership, you are obviously a child with no working brain.[/s]

(2) [s]Do you think it is by writing as if you possess sense that makes you sensible... Who are the people listening to this nonsense kid writing nonsense everywhere... If any Benin guy continue keeping up with this lowlife woman, then they are obviously misplacing priority.[/s]

(3) [s]Ife had 97 kings lol, list their names! What happened during their reigns[/s]

(4) [s]Tell me why the white came around and never saw anything spectacular to talk about the Yoruba compared to the world recognition of the Benin Kingdom.[/s]

(5) [s]You initially claimed that all the Ogisos Igodomigodo had were tales and never happened even when names were listed and their deeds could be talked about[/s]

(6) [s]and now, you're assenting to the fact that they now existed but your uncivilised Ife had 97 kings yet that kingdom knew nothing about civilization till Oduduwa came...

Your claim so far as been that Oduduwa was the one that made you guys relevant and therefore, made other people relevant because he was your eye opener... you are a learner![/s]

(7) [s]Because you can read books and copy paste here makes you think you are knowledgeable? Knowledge that lack wisdom to argue wisely is that one knowledge?

I need the names of your 97 Ife Oba... Oh, sorry, Oba word was alien to the Yoruba kingdom until the Benin kingdom dominated your uncivilised tribe... please, when you're writing, tell me what your ruler was called before Oduduwa came around, I mean your 97 rulers.... don't forget Ooni was never a kingship title ... and don't forget to make proof of their existence from your so called Yellow Skinned written books since all your claim and proofs must be written by the yellow light skinned people before they can make sense as you believe no precolonized brown skin had wisdom and were uncivilised enough to know their own history except your slave master approves it... What a mental slavery in the 21st century.

If you can't respond not just with proof but with wisdom I will stop wasting my time with a brainless woman like you.

Ire o![/s]

(1) I apologize on behalf of the house of Oduduwa at Ile-Ife for the conquest & colonization of your archaic ancestors since c-1000 CE till date and forever.

Now to the matter: Even going by Benin sources (the earliest indigenous Benin sources on the subject for that matter), says the Ogiso chiefdom of “Benin” was sent from Ife to be for your backward daddies:

Many years ago, Oduduwa of Ile-Ife sent a son — who took the title of Ogiso — with a large retinue from Ife to found a kingdom in this part of the world. ~ Chief Obakhavbaye of Benin, J. U. Egharevba, “A Short History of Benin,” (1936), p. 7.

Facts & early sources beat emotions & new revisions. Oduduwa isn’t your last Ogiso’s son, you jokers. He is an Ife ruler whose son birthed your Ogiso chiefdom.

Did I mention that even as at the late 1890s and early 1900s your daddies and mommies were still roaming naked at Benin waiting to be offered as votives to the deities of Yorùbá people of Ife??

(2) Your opinion of others is not necessarily binding on them, I hope you know that. But your opinion of your own self is at least binding on you.

As such, we take it that you’re a deluded nincompoop with a misplaced priority in life. Yes you agree.

(3) List their names? Lol. Please tell me Pa Idu’s dad’s name. As if the word “Pa” is even a Bini word. LMAO.

In any case, people are required to provide evidence only for claims they make. I can’t remember claiming to have the names handy. I actually never even made any claim about the names to begin with.

Instead, my claim is simply that there were about 97 kings in Ife, and the evidence for this claim of mine is simply the Ife tradition which says that as recorded in historical works —whether collected by a dark-skinned historian or a light-skinned historian.

Ancient Ife’s oral annotated king-list indicates 97 kings thus making Ife’s current monarch the leader of one of the three earliest-founded surviving dynasties in the world alongside Japan and Rajasthan. ~ S. P. Blier, “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba,” (2015), p. 36.

(4) The following statement is the wHiTE mAn’s view of your Benin in comparison with some Yorùbá towns.

As a town, Benin was inconsiderable compared with Ibadan, Iseyhin, Shaki, Modakeke, and Abeokuta. ~ Cyril. Punch’s Journal, (1889); cited in H. Ling. Roth (1903), p.vii.

You may also refer the old European map I’d attached earlier in one of my preceding comments and see the comments I gave in that regards.

(5) Shebi you know that if what you’re defending is the truth you wouldn’t have the need to tell this lie.

In other words, show us where I informed you that the Ogisos were mere fairytales/never existed. Otherwise, you remain my slave — no freedom for you.

You’re clearly confusing me with some of ya brothers who felt more inferior upon realizing that even Ogiso chiefdom was established in “Benin” by Ile-Ife.

(6) Pre-Oduduwa Ife “uncivilized”? LMAO! A city that had a pre-Oduduwa embankment?? A city that have’d monarchy centuries before the first “monarchy” would be established for Benin by same Ife?? A city that was working out iron in the pre-Oduduwa era?? Etc.

To think that assumption is even coming from you — you whose daddies and mommies were not allowed to use clothes even in as recent as the late-1890s.
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What then did Oduduwa do in Ife?? He migrated from Oke-Ọra (as tradition shows) to the Ife bowl, and then moved later to unify the distinct Ife kingdoms into one kingdom under one single overarching political rule.

(7) Well, I didn’t ask you to flood here with tears as you have now done here. Fight your inner demons alone without having to involve me.

Nobody made a claim about names of 97 kings and as such no one has any burden of listing names for you. The specific claim is that there were 97 kings, and the evidence for that has been cited above already.

However, here are some of the names off the top of my head (even though I didn’t have to mention one): Ọbatala, Ọbalufẹ, Ọbameri, Onipetu, Ọbaloran Ọbawinrin, Fegun, Ọbadio, Ọbalaaye, Ọbaluru, Apata, Ọbalayan, Ọbalejugbe, Ọbariyuin, Ọbalesun, Ọbarena, Ọbajio, Ọbalale, Ọbalase, Ọranfẹ, Elesije, Yemo, et al.

Note that all these kings reigned prior to Oduduwa, & Oduduwa founded the Ogiso chiefdom via a son. Now think deeply about that.

Oh, I almost forgot to mention that you & your people were already disgraced as per this “Ọba” thing when it was demonstrated incontrovertibly that Ọba was a concept introduced to Benin from the language of the Yoruba people.

See the link below for a gentle reminder on that:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

Cheers.

Cc: SirNewtonNG

oswardic:
[s]Oh! I forgot you have issues comprehending what contradicts your thought box. And please, when trying to discredit people, make sure you don't make such mistakes, "with without" is mocking another... Pele o[/s]

Unsolicited secretary, LMAO. Thanks but no thanks.

Must Binis always be in the service of Yorùbá people?

Are you Binis that colonized by Yorùbás that you feel the need to be my secretary??

Is the colonization that bad?? Did Oranmiyan from Ife finish the job that perfectly??

Wow!

oswardic:
[s]Another nonsense...

Keep leaking your wound and dream on in your never and can never happen fantasy, see baby kingdom whose till date are never one as a Yoruba nation talking to pre-civilized people of their time... Mtchew!

Learn wisdom and in all ask for understanding. Trust me, your cry will continue till your death as your fantasy will continue staring disappointment in your face[/s]

For the umpteenth time, type in English. I can not read Edo language or whatever language you’ve heaped up here.

Also, fight your inner demons alone without the need to involve me.

I am NOT the Oranmiyan from Ile-Ife who captured ya people for his child till date.

Regards.

oswardic:
[s]Lol, I know your type... Your psychological approach in weakening a defense is to raise a reviling bar, you de learn...

Oh! I forgot you have issues comprehending contradictions against your belief.. No wonder you keep cancelling people's replies.

There's absolutely no reply you have given you haven't insulted the writer. Please grow up...

Winning an argument all the time does not make you wise... The hatred you have for the Binis will bring your arrogant painful worthless fake knowledge to an end. Try reading next time with an open mind and not with a blocked headed brain so you can atleast learn and appreciate other ethnic groups around you.
Mtchew![/s]

I didn’t ask you for ocean of tears. So, why all these?

All I ask for is that: For every Benin tales-by-moonlight you tell; bear in mind that this is not Ekpenede street where the dullards don’t ask for evidence. Stop getting mad when we ask for evidence.

Also, stop getting mad when we provide evidence to show that the Yorùbá group remains your father from prehistory till present and into the future.

Cheers.

Jameseddi1:
[s]Ife that was founded in same century wich Benin have their second dynasty now found a kingdom that was first governed before by 36 Ogiso

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(1) According to the 1969 report of the archaeological survey of Ife by P. Ozanne:

Ife was 1st inhabited since some very distant antiquity and had many autonomous settlements by the fourth century BCE.

(2) King Oduduwa is from Oke-Ọra — one of the Late Stone Age hilly settlements surrounding the Ife bowl.

(2) Before Oduduwa’s reign in Ile-Ife, the city has had about 97 Ọbas (kings) from the provinces in Ife.

(3) From Oduduwa’s time, kings/chiefs were dispersed to other lands — including some non-Yorùbá lands.

(4) The Ogiso chiefdom of ‘Benin’ had not yet begun at the time, when Ife has already had about 97 Ọbas.

(5) The first Ogiso at ‘Benin’ was sent from Ife during the King Oduduwa’s era.

(6) The third Ogiso at ‘Benin’ was the last one sent from Ife, and he returned to Ife.

(7) The 3rd Ogiso returned back home to Ife when Ife became quite convinced that the native Binis have now been brushed up enough to continue by themselves.

(8 ) The Ogiso chiefdom later collapsed. The Bini elders now sent to Ife again for a capable ruler.

(9) One of Oduduwa’s youngest grandsons was sent to Benin for the task — a permanent rulership now.

(10) He was soon disgusted by their archaicness that he left in disgust.

(11) He, however, left a strict order that his baby from one of their daughters be made their king when he is of age — Ife courtiers to be sent to assist the govt.

(12) At this time, he was already king elsewhere — at a Yorùbá town, viz. Ọyọ-Ile.

(13) Later on, his child at Benin was installed as king of Benin, and was styled with the title “Ọmọnọba” which literally means: “The Child King”.

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PS: The European map attached below was created in the year 1513.

It depicts the phrase “Realm of Ọɣọnẹ” thus indicating the only relevant kingdom in the “Nigeria” region.

This is not explainable as mere acquaintance—as they (these Europeans) had no trade/any relations with this Ọɣọni’s kingdom a the time being far from the coast in the deeply forested interior.

The only valid explanation is, therefore, of a firsthand received information from the natives near the coast (i.e. Binis, Ijebus, et al.) who all admit to the seniority, superiority, precedence of this kingdom of the Ọɣọni [Ooni] at the time.

Cc: rhektor, SirNewtonNG, nisai, christistruth01

gregyboy:
[s]This argument is totally uncalled for

The benin/ife relationship never existed it was a political tales told for political unification of the edo and Yoruba during the indirect rule system

The ogimien treaty was an indigenous treaty that involved no Yoruba as a party but was later twisted to include the Yoruba history as a distortion so the ogimien would look advantageous from what i know the true history of ogimien and the benin palace is still unknown to the benin people in all it never involved the third party called yorubas

The royal family of benin have already shot themselves in the foot by not openly dismissing the benin/ife myth when due they enjoyed the presence it brought so anyone can use it as a distortion against the palace

* The ogiso tales where myths and the myth originated from Christianity influence by the Europeans who believed on sky king Jesus influenced the benins to tell their own tales of a sky king who came to rule them like Jesus laughable, i guess but true, with the study of benin tradition from a traditional hunter who still go to the forest to hunt for animals at night even uptil last year i got a general insight of benin traditional worship like witches wizard, ghost, oso and omobabe from his narrative it was clear benin believe system and spiritualism was base clearly on earth and no heavenly narrative

Eko, is the short name of ekonuame meaning camp of waters given by the benins, ekosodin likewise was the camp of general oshodin in benin kingdom

The name benin was gotten from the iteskiris
Who first encountered the Portuguese and warned them not venture into the angry lands of benin

The word oba is as indigenous as olokun, ayelala, ovia, ogun.. Although ifa, oromila isago
Was introduced during the benin stay in the western regional politics, the word oba (shinny one), omo no ba nedo (the one who shines for the edo people) is an indigenous words that found is way into the Yoruba lexicon during the various benin military occupation in the west words like ogene in urhobo,etasko are still proves benin old words could spread that far and still remains till date

Samuk,[/s]

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Incoherent jibber-jabber as expected.

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Cc: SirNewtonNG

nisai:
Egg on as how?

I believe SirNewtonNG mistook you for one of the Bini trolls.

He should have known differently by now that you’ve been on the side of truth since day one.

Cheer.

SirNewtonNG:
Aunty TAO11 one of your kids beleive bight of benin means benin "empire" (sorry 2by2 kingdom ) i dey laugh here

It’s the same gregyboy, Edeyoung, Rolandosadolor, Eddyboy27711, etc.

He himself is convinced that what he typed is crap. Its been debunked many times even on this very thread.

Their skull is very, very thick that almost nothing gets in

One has to drill carefully and skillfully

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Here is the link to where that Crap was debunked thoroughly on this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/14#109443470

Cheers.

Rolandosadolor:
[s]We are not talking about empire here madam.

About the Lagos even the map you brought contradict you.

They have been telling you Benin lagos was under Benin rule you keep denying and bringing story of moonlight.

The map say Great Benin/lagos[/s]

The stupidity of you Binis is a very deep special type of stupid.

You run around with different monikers pretending to be different persons in order to give the impression that some users agree with you.

Yet you can’t even do it right by using different colors to highlight the different maps you’ve highlighted.

Now to your main stupidity, now where does the map use the phrase “Great Benin/Lagos”. Aiyelala is actually making you see double. But that’s even by the way.

Again, going by your deluded logic of reading maps; do you agree or not that Guineans conquered, ruled and owned Benin kingdom according to the maps below??

Going by your deluded logic of reading maps; do you agree or not that Igbos conquered, ruled, and owned Benin kingdom according to the 2nd map below??

If you even one brain cell, you would have known that one of the people with whom the Europeans traded & were acquainted are the Binis; and one of the places from where they traded with them is the trade colony they stayed at the island of Eko.

You guys should talk to your Ọba so he can lift the ban he placed on brain usage in Benin.

Cheers

KingOKON:
[s]https://www.van!guardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/[/s]

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

The recent Benin lie that Oduduwa is son of a certain Ogiso has been laughed at and debunked world-wide by historians of African history.

It has been rightly categorized as a deliberately false account invented recently by certain amateurs who suffered from a strong grip of inferiority complex.

The older traditions of Benin collected since the 1800s also debunk this recent amateur invention.

Jameseddi1:
[s]And Oduduwa is from Edo your first ruler. I watch a Yoruba movie how Oduduwa was teaching them how to sew cloths because clothes was alien to them then they normally go naked that time until the well govern Benin came to colonized you all.

During your first ruler Oduduwa Edo/Ado or Idu have already be well governed by 30 Ogiso.

Ask your self did Oromyian came forcefully to rule benin no Benin chiefs pleaded with him to come.

How can he rule the mighty Edo a kingdom that have be in existence 1000s of year long before Yoruba have the first ruler.

Oromyan couldn’t rule Benin as it too powerful for him to rule with the fear to be victims of same thing that make his father Oduduwa was unable to rule the mighty kingdom.

Oduduwa is son of the last Ogiso (the ruler of the sky). I guess this was the reason he told you people he came from the sky and you people literally think he mean he fell from the sky lol

That is the Benin ife connection.

After many years the Benin being the first established kingdom they aim was to explore just as European did by coming to Africa to
Colonized them, Benin already started that long ago.

Benin went west they colonized akure install their ruler and make them pay tribute to Benin kingdom they went forward to all Ondo all Ekiti and after the finish establishing this place they went further to Lagos and install their first ruler.

And this one here is saying trash.[/s]

Oduduwa is from Oke-Ọra — an LSA hilly settlement around Ile-Ife in the Iloromu axis.

Before Oduduwa’s reign, Ife has had about 97 kings.

From Oduduwa’s time, chiefs & kings were dispersed to other lands — including some non-Yorùbá lands.

The Ogisos whom you talked about didn’t feature at Benin until when Oduduwa sent the first one there.

The third Ogiso at Benin became the last Ogiso from the Ife Yorùbá line.

He returned to Ife when it was quite clear that Benin have now been brushed up enough to continue.

The Ogiso chiefdom later collapse. The Bini elders now sent to Ife again for a capable ruler.

One of the youngest grandons of Oduduwa was sent to Benin for the task of founding a more permanent rulership for the backward natives of Benin.

He was soon disgusted by their backwardness that he left with disgust — but after having impregnated one of their daughters.

He gave a standing order that the unborn child should be made king when he becomes of age.

He proceeded to become king at Oyo while his child was unborn/toddler.

The child was later installed as Omonoba — meaning king’s child — which becomes the traditional official title of Benin kings.

No wonder why Omonoba Eweka-2 ranked Ooni 1st before Alaafin, then before himself (Eweka-2).

Benin later grew centuries later and managed to bring neighboring Edoid towns under its leadership.

It had relationship with some Ondo/Ekiti town/village but never ruled over them according to these places.

At Lagos (Eko precisely), the tradition is clear that the progenitor of the dynasty is a Yorùbá who was helped by a Benin king, and showed appreciation as agreed.

No EUrOpEaN eyewitness who visited Benin called it an empire. None.

Cheers.

Cc: christistruth01, SirNewtonNG, nisai.

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You Benin dullards keep regurgitating the very thing over which you’ve been disgraced before.

Hoping we would all have forgotten or what exactly?

The fact that the name of a place is written on a map does not mean the place is an an empire. You must be specially stupid to even think like that.

By your dullard logic, you may want to argue that the place called Guinea was once an empire sometime in the past going by the map below in my attachment.

Or that Guinean conquered, owned, & ruled your own Benin kingdom in the past.

Now, that’s exactly how stupid you sound.

nisai:
Tao11, this your dull student don dey get memory oo. He neva forget me, him bully for class sha.

So how studies, Okon? Hope Tao is not too hard on u?
I know She can be very skillful with KOBOKO.

He collapses upon hearing the word “book”.

His skull remains as thick as expected.

But I’m drilling it hard, skillfully.

KingOKON:
[s]Listen again to this again, very very sweet
Bajulaiye is a unique and significant chieftaincy title in Benin Kingdom (Edo State), where we originate from. Over there in Benin, they will tell you ‘Obazuaye’. Bajulaiye is a very important chieftaincy title in Benin Kingdom and Lagos.......

Straight from the horses mouth, while you Iya Basirat that specializes in Oshogbo weed and paraga de pariwo oshi[/s]

KingOKON:
Assistant werey ti de, bawo ni

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

KingOKON:
[s]Refutation that is imposed on freeborns and youth who chased him out of the palace
By the way, who are you to the Erelu, Bajulaiye and the youths?
Do they know who is Iya Basirat[/s]

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

KingOKON:
[s]See person wey de read book and claims to be freeborn, they have the right to chased out their chicken Oba but don't have right to say who they are.

Only the chicken of an Oba can decide that, shey no be Oshogbo weed talk be that?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/son-of-the-late-oba-oyekan-tackles-igbos-others/amp/[/s]

This one nor know left from right.

Read a book, don’t be scared.

But see the refutation links below first.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

KingOKON:
[s]Iya Basirat so you have the audacity from your Oshogbo jungle to challenge the Erelu and Bajulaiye of Lagos[/s]

Read a book today.

I know the word “book” scares the soul out of you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/23#109776624

christistruth01:
Yoruba Oba's love to fight over hierarchy like little Children fight over Sweets and Chocolates

Lol.

christistruth01:
Ok

Those Baba's placed him under the Oba of Isheri that was why they saw it that way

It’s nothing new that one Yorùbá ọba has precedence and rank higher than another.

It doesn’t make the other Ọba not an Ọba.

X

christistruth01:
I remember that some elderly Yorubas always insisted that up to the 1980s the Oba of Lagos was a Baale. all this History is now making everything Clearer it was because in real Historical terms he was an offshoot of the Olofin of Isheri

No, he is not a Baale. He has never being.

christistruth01:
Yet these very same People will tell you that Ile Ife are not the owners of Benin

But when it comes to applying the same principle to Eko they prefer to be hypocrites and stand reason on it's head

I get what you tried to say, but the analogies are quite different.

Ife & Benin:
The 1st crowned Benin ọba is paternally descended from Ife, and maternally from Benin.

Benin & Lagos:
The 1st crowned Eko ọba is paternally descended from Lagos (Isheri-Olofin), and maternally from Benin.

Cheers.

SirNewtonNG:
You are the greatest Dullard of all time, you have shown yourself to be nothing but a troll gregyboy. I was never talking or refereeing to TAO11 and reasonable viewers will know this. You have shown yourself by this act to be a loser, a born one at that.

What you quoted as supporting your point further puts you into hot water. For your information i firmly believe ashipa was an isheri awori chief, ashipa is a name that is broken down in yoruba. It's only on blogs you'll see it as a corruption. It's madness to label it a corruption when ashipa was one of the most popular chieftancy titles in the oyo mesi, oyo empire sentaorial councily
Its a yoruba name through and through,no matter how online bini trolls and insecure bini people try to cover that fact. The truth is open to any reasonable person. Also the final nail, i specifically in the quote you put up there stated how the bini traders and royals and other aristocrats were mostly of ife descent as the erelu kuti 5 in the video your fellow dullrd brother posted alluded too, even the ones who weren't of ife descent spoke yoruba(Lukumi) because that was the language of the palace, administration and trade. This is all documented!!

I will never go against TAO11, don't ever dream of it. She has repeatedly schooled you all here. We the viewers know the truth. I've gone through threads since 2019. And greggyboy you and your brothers, samuk, ogbe and the gang have forever and always been shamed by academic, authentic early historical accounts, and professional historical analysis with several references. Your bini lies will know be met with more aggression on social media. You all will never escape the fact that that a yoruba man has been ruling you all for close to a 1000 years

The guy knows he is lying to himself — pretending to be mentioning me, but yet spelt my moniker wrongly so I wouldn’t see the mention notification.

Bunch of Bini circus clowns.

Cheers.

KingOKON:
[s]Why not say Oyekan is from Oshogbo
Smoke dat thing well well Iya Basirat[/s]

Read a book today.

I know the word “book” scares the souls out of you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/23#109776624