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Lying through your teeth while pretending to be blind has never saved you from me. It never will.

samuk:
There is a difference between hearing about a supposed empire and actually witnessing one. You deceptively left out the part that Hugh Clapperton said that what he saw on ground in Oyo was not as great as they were told in England.

Errrm … Sorry little liar.

Capt. H. Clapperton did mention that they have been hearing about this greatness since back in England.

He added that they have now witnessed what they’ve been hearing firsthand. Below is the quote again:

“We first began inquiring after his health. I then told him that I was the king of England's servant, sent by his majesty to beg his acceptance of a present, which then lay before me; that we had heard his (the king of Youriba's) name mentioned in England as a great king; that we now experienced the truth of the report; that three white men, two of them my companions, and one a servant, had died on the road; that another of my companions was at Dahomey, to ask the king of that country to allow him a passage through his dominions.”

~Capt. Clapperton; “ Journal of a Second Expedition,” (1829), p. 38.

No, don’t blame me for your humiliation. You brought this upon yourself.

Hugh Clapperton simply met savages who in his own words were capable of killing themselves out of existence if drastic measures were not taken.

LMAO! No. Clapperton, et al.’s opinions of the people of the great Oyo empire is that they are just as civil as Europeans of the time are. Yup.

The reports also confirmed the general absence of the practice of human sacrifice at Oyo.

Of course unlike at your Benin kingdom where you all are sacrificed as votives to appease Yorùbá deities.

A European visitor to your Benin kingdom in as recent as the late-1800s/early-1900s had this to say:

“It is an interesting fact—and, I think, an important one—that the Kings of Benin, until Overami was dethroned, recognised the right of the ancient landowner and paid rent to the original Father of the Country, still known as Ogiami, in whose territory this founder of the Kingdom of Benin first settled. There can be no doubt, from my observation made in many villages that were nearly depopulated to feed the late King’s ambition for human sacrifice and war, that the intervention of a foreign power was necessary to save these interesting people from a barbarous form of despotism, on the one hand, or anarchy and self-extinction as a ruling people on the other.”

~ R. E. Dennett, Development of Native Governments in Southern Nigeria, 1911, p. 620.

KingOKON:
Who else was she going to mention? Now lemme have anything linking the Ijebus to the Europeans telling them about the "eyes dare not see" immortal King so that I can nail your coffin

I know exactly when I knock a tooth out of a Bini liar.

Clue: No intelligent (or even pseudo-intelligent point can be mustered by such Bini.

See ehn, you have tried for Benin kingdom. Na man you be. Rest. LMAO!
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Now let me have anything linking Benin kingdom to the Europeans telling them of any relationship with Itsekiris prior to the beginning of British conquest of Southern Nigeria.

After all Binis must have a long time relationship with the Itsekiris; and Europeans have been trading in the region since the late-1400s. Oya do, I’m waiting.

Here we go again guys:

samuk:
Editing my posts and quoting me out of context wouldn't help you. Your dictionary evidence have thoroughly disgraced, embarrassed and exposed you as fraud. I know you rely on the low IQ of your followers not to verify your submissions.

The issue of Oghene which you relied upon to teach the Benin people and the Oba of Benin that their Yoruba have fallen flat on it's face, it has gone up in flames, you are now too ashamed to put it up again. Editing my posts a d taking my comments out of context is now what you relied on.

You have referenced so called foreign experts, local experts, Nairalanders and yet your lies remains lies, the Benin people you have been trying to convinced for years that they and their Oba is Yoruba haven't yield an inch of ground.

Keep going, maybe you will be able to convince the Benin people how Yoruba they and their Oba are since this very important to you.

The project to convince Benin people that they and their Oba are Yoruba is a project TAO11 much complete.

TAO11 please show us one more time the Benin dictionary that says Benin people are Yoruba.

Haha! Nairalanders come and see something.

Samuk said I edited his comment in the attachment below.

Let me wake you up Samuk: It is impossible for me to edit your post when your post is shown to be coming directly under your name — rather than under mine.

Did I just have to explain that? LMAO!

Samuk, you are clinically deluded. Take this serious. My two cents.

nisai, gomojam, Christistruth00, Ofunwa111, rhektor, RedboneSmith

I must make sure samuk’s comment of the millennium appear on this last page.

Nah, we can’t just bury it on page 8 like that.

Give me a sec.

KingOKON:
It is too early for one to be smoking WEED
What part of the words Books, links or references don't you understand?
Anything you Ogane Weed smoking machine!

Even though you were sacred to promise that you will read (because you know you won’t), I will, none-the-less, provide the book/article as you requested.

The first known published work that features the name of Benin comes from the visit of D. P. Pereira to Benin in the late 1480s.

His volume (written in 1506) contains a mention of his visit to Ijebu that year where he wrote about the Ijebu moat, the trade, the largeness of the city, etc.

By the way, he also informed us that Benin has no walls. (p.183.) Oops! Did I have to let that out?

I’d have to cross it out with a line: [s]he also informed us that Benin has no walls[/s] Great!

Duarte Pacheco Pereira, “Esmeraldo De Situ Orbis,” (1506), page 182.

Peace to you, child. ✌

samuk:
[s]Oops, I didn't see the dictionary evidence that says Benin are Yoruba. That one has faded after just one day of evidence. Every day you provide new evidence to support your lies.

TAO11 show us the dictionary evidence that proves Benin people are Yoruba. Don't be ashamed I am sure your fans will want to see it one more time. [/s]

When did we discuss Binis being Yoruba?

Baba is trying hard to derail. I’m dying of laughter.

Is your delusions getting stronger or something?

Dey there, no go seek help.

LMAO!
nisai, gomojam, Christistruth00, RedboneSmith, rhektor, Ofunwa111,

By the way, before you think of editing out where you said I edited you post in this latest comment; I have the original screenshot already. So don’t bother.

This is the Nairaland comment of the millennium.

Cc: samuk, nisai, gomojam, Christistruth00, RedboneSmith, rhektor, Ofunwa111

First of all, it is not my fault that your fore-fathers took my king as their God.

samuk:
Editing my posts and quoting me out of context wouldn't help you. Your dictionary evidence have thoroughly disgraced, embarrassed and exposed you as fraud. I know you rely on the low IQ of your followers not to verify your submissions.

The issue of Oghene which you relied upon to teach the Benin people and the Oba of Benin that their Yoruba have fallen flat on it's face, it has gone up in flames, you are now too ashamed to put it up again. Editing my posts a d taking my comments out of context is now what you relied on.

You have referenced so called foreign experts, local experts, Nairalanders and yet your lies remains lies, the Benin people you have been trying to convinced for years that they and their Oba is Yoruba haven't yield an inch of ground.

Keep going, maybe you will be able to convince the Benin people how Yoruba they and their Oba are since this very important to you.

The project to convince Benin people that they and their Oba are Yoruba is a project TAO11 much complete.

TAO11 please show us one more time the Benin dictionary that says Benin people are Yoruba.

Haha! Nairalanders come and see something.

Samuk said I edited his comment in the attachment below.

Let me wake you up Samuk: It is impossible for me to edit your post when your post is shown to be coming directly under your name — rather than under mine.

Did I just have to explain that? LMAO! Samuk, you are clinically deluded. Take this serious.

My two cents.

Cc: nisai, gomojam, Christistruth00, Ofunwa111, RedboneSmith

KingOKON:
If you know you aren't the senior brother of Devil show where anywhere anything or link where IJEBUS met the Europeans in 1400
* where they also told Europeans of the Immortal king

Thanks for demonstrating that you are incapable of mustering a intelligent/coherent reply in relation to the subject at hand.

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Grace Question:
Will you read the book/article if the references are to be provide to you?

Samuk, my King is your God. Says your fore-fathers.

samuk:
According to TAO11 the Ooni is Oghene (Urhobo) Oghene-osa (Benin) that created heaven and earth.

Just claiming Benin history, Benin Oba and Benin people is no longer enough.

TAO11 Ooni is now God almighty that people pray to.

Anybody that love that lady should keep eyes on her before she goes naked and enters the market.

Samuk A in his comment quoted here:
The word oghene must be prefixed by the word osa before it could mean God in Bini language.


Samuk B in the attached screenshot below:
The word oghene [of course clearly without any prefix or suffix] refers to God almighty in heaven in the Bini language.


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IF samuk is not clinically deluded, then an expert may please tell us what clinical delusion is. Hehe.


nisai, gomojam, Christistruth00, Ofunwa111, rhektor, RedboneSmith

samuk:
Sorry, it's too late to spin your way out of this. Your dictionary definition have clearly discredited you, I will be surprised if you reference it next time.

According to Your evidence, Ooni is ogene or a piece of kola. Benin prays to Ogene-osa.

You’re not even sure where to stay.

You’ve been fleeing back and forth in disgrace.

(1) You alleged that the dictionary must put osa next to oghene before oghene can refer to osa (God).

That was found to be a blatant falsehood considering that the phrase agwe_oghene is defined by the same dictionary to be in reference to osa (God). Lmao!

(2) You fled in shame from the Bini dictionary now to WiKipedia — insisting in shame that oghene does not by itself refer to osa (God).

Again, you were caught pants down to be a liar as you already admit (as in the screenshot below) that oghene by itself refers to osa (God) in Benin language.

You are clinically deluded, samuk.

KingOKON:
Thunder fire you and if you don't show me where Ijebus in 1400 met with Europeans

I know exactly when I’ve knocked a Bini man down. Even his pseudo-intelligent replies would cease as in the case here.

One man down from the Benin side. We meove. Hehe
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Last chance, are you ready to ready to read a book?

Search your heart before you answer.

KingOKON:
What about the Latinized name?
Who ever heard of Ijebus if not the Ijebus
Thunder FIRE you if you dont show me where or what useless book published it

Is this to be taken as a honest promise to the effect that you’ve searched your heart and you’ve found yourself to be now ready to read a book?

Thanks!

toyinakomolafe:
The king given meaning corresponds to Ekiti meaning

Uwa or UA in Ekiti dialect(contracted UWA) this means wealth.

Atuwase means one who restores or rebuilds wealth exactly the same meaning as the king

Other examples are
Adesuwa or Adesua (common in Ekiti) one who comes or walks or is born into wealth or celebrations

Other names,

Ogunkuade, Jemilua, Ademilua, Olumilua, etc. As an Ikere Ekiti person, I understand Itshekiri language to some extent without stress.

Thank you very much.

I sha know more places in the eastern axis (apart from Ijebu/Itsekiri) would still have that “3rd” usage.

Wealth = Opulence = Uwa (the “3rd” Yoruba usage).

Another phrase which I remember again now (apart from Gbelegbuwa, et al.) is Bobagunwa.

Cheers!

Cc: macof

samuk:
[s]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Osalobua is the name for God in the Edo language. It is often abbreviated as Osa, which is commonly integrated into modern Edo names, such as Esosa, which means God's goodness or gift; Eghosa, God's time; and Efosa, God's blessings or wealth.[/s]

Wikipidea? So, your straw-clutching with your Bini dictionary finally expired.

Now it’s Wikipedia’s turn. Anyways …

In the light of your failure with the Bini dictionary, do you still stand with your claim that Oghene does not mean God, unless it is suffixed with the word Osa?

Check the screenshot below before you answer.

Lies don’t last. Desist!

Peace!

samuk:
Are playing dumb or you are really dumb? Imagine someone that can't even comprehend 4 lines of the dictionary which she presented.

You must be really shivering right now to have typed the above highlighted incoherent words (also shown in the attached screenshot). LMAO!

(1) Were did I say ugie or agwe means osa.
Osa means God.
(2) Agwe was never used on its own in the dictionary, (3) it was written agwe_oghene to mean ugie.

(1) Perfect! So, you agreed ugie or agwe do not refer to Osa [God].

(2) Agwe is a Bini word. It appears in its own place in the dictionary. It means fasting.

(3) Nope! It was written agwe_oghene NOT to merely mean any “ugie”. Noooooooo!

Instead, the phrase (agwe_oghene) specifically means:

An “ugie consecrated to osa”

In full English, it goes: agwe_oghene refers to the [fasting] ceremony consecrated to God.

How God [osa] take enter? Not from agwe, not from ugie, of course from oghene. Winks!

Samuk, what do you have to say now that you've been exposed as a janus-faced, fatuous, delusional, little, pathological LIAR??

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The dictionary wrote: oghene-osa.

And you lied that oghene by itself has nothing to do with osa, unless osa appears next to it. A huge lie.

However, your lie was to be exposed by the example cited in the following line, viz. agwe_oghene.

First of all, there is no osa next the oghene here. Nor is there any osa next to agwe.

Yet, the definition of agwe_oghene as given in the dictionary is as follows: “an ugie consecrated to osa”

Remark:
agwe does not mean osa

ugie does not mean osa

How then does osa [God] appear in the meaning of the phrase: agwe_oghene?

The Answer:
The only word which describes osa is the very word oghene.

When will you cease being delusional? Seek help, samuk?

Peace.

samuk:
[s]The agwe_oghene is ugie that is consecrated to Osa.

Ogene, Oghene-osa and agwe_ogene all have different meanings according to the dictionary.

1. Ogene means Irreplaceable, unchangeable, Ooni and a piece of kola.

2. Oghene-osa means unchangeable God. The osa is God.

3 aaagwe_ogene means Ugie that is consecrated to God.

The osa in the dictionary is the only reference to God, not Ogene. When Benin call Ooni Oghene, it doesn't mean God.

Lesson for you is that before you submit anything to support your arguments next time, ensure you read and understand them thoroughly in other not to embarrass yourself like this.[/s]

You must really think I’m from Benin to think you can lie freely.

The dictionary wrote: oghene-osa.

And you lied that oghene by itself has nothing to do with osa, unless osa appears next to it. A huge lie.

However, your lie was to be exposed by the example cited in the following line, viz. agwe_oghene.

First of all, there is no osa next the oghene here. Nor is there any osa next to agwe.

Yet, the definition of agwe_oghene as given in the dictionary is as follows: “an ugie consecrated to osa”

Remark:
agwe does not mean osa

ugie does not mean osa

How then does osa [God] appear in the meaning of the phrase: agwe_oghene?

The Answer:
The only word which describes osa is the very word oghene.

When will you cease being delusional? Seek help, samuk?

✌

gregyboy:
[s]Only you they drag debate with yourself....

In a bid to convince yourself in your weed smoking world

Everyone knows europeans were stationed at the shores to trade, and they visited coastal countries interiors, like benin, lagos, ijebu that was visited by the Portuguese at their first arrival


And you came up with europeans didn't visit the interior of West Africa until 1800 which is untrue

If oghene existed the Portuguese would have begged benin to escorts them there to see the oghene if he wasnt really a myth, they probably figured out that the ambassador was talking on myth.... Tho

If those very statement had come from the oba himself and not an ambassador probably we would had a second thought on believing it..


The only powers European mentions in the coast of Nigeria was the Benin and igalas, not until the Benin destruction on igalas that made them very weak..

If oghene is true definitely the oghene was probably from igala area, the king of igala...

The Benin were fully aware of igalas presence in their location before a rebelling chief went to meet the igala kings to war benin, definitely it was the only powerful kingdom that could stage benin, the oghene if he truly existed he was probably from the igala region, but we are yet to get any prove to this [/s]

The phrase “everyone knows” is used whenever a Bini LIAR is typing.

Talk to me whenever you have proof for each and every crap you typed.

Peace!

samuk:
[s]Don't tell me you also have eyes problems.

The dictionary starts with two definitions which are irreplaceable and unchangeable. It then combined Ogene with Osa and came up with the meaning unchangeable God, the Osa being God and the Ogene being the unchangeable.

The dictionary then went on to say Ogene also means Ooni of Ife and a piece of kola, it further explains the piece of kola.

I am glad you are not actually clever enough to have let this slide, because that is what a clever person caught red handed would have done, you let it go quietly, but by engaging me back and forth, those that were not initially interested in the dictionary will now be forced to see for themselves what the arguments is all about, thereby exposing yourself further.

I initially didn't look at the dictionary but one thing say I should and lord and beyond TAO11 pants is on fire again.[/s]

Mr. Deluded, enough of the nonsense.

The same screenshot shows you another example under definition 1: “agwe_oghene”

And the agwe is still identified with God/Osa.

Show me the Osa beside the agwe [or beside the Oghene] for the agwe_oghene to be associated with God/Osa?

Be deluding yourself. Mumu.

samuk:
Stop embarrassing yourself and your fans. According to your dictionary evidence Ogene only means God when combined with osa. Ogene means unchangeable and Osa means God, hence Ogene-osa or unchangeable God.

On it's own, Ogene is a name of either the Ooni of Ife or a piece of kola.

Stop feigning dumb. Even your people would be very disappointed in you to hear you blab.

Nowhere does your Benin dictionary say or imply that “oghene” must have Osa before it refers to God.

Instead Osa in Benin literally means God, while oghene is an attribute of that God.

The “unchangeable” or the “ irreplaceable” are both attributes of God. “Oghene” as such is in reference to God. This word also means the King of Ife. This word apart from referring to the king of Ife and God also sometimes refer to a piece of kola — all in Bini lingua.

However, the Benin dictionary added the last detail that: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words the Bini word, “oghene” [regardless of how ever it is used in Bini language] originally comes from the Yoruba language, viz. the word “Ooni”.

Get a grip samuk, befor you go full blown delude if you haven’t gone already.

samuk:
All that can read and comprehend should go and read the dictionary TAO11 presented.

TAO11, according to the dictionary, Ogene only become God when osa is added otherwise it's either Ooni of Ife or a piece of kola. The osa in Ogene-osa is the reference to God, not Ogene on it's own. The dictionary is clear enough.

Your Ooni or Ogene in Benin means a piece of kola, not even a full kola. I am sure this must be very reassuring to you

I am aware that you’re intentionally deluding yourself in the hope that it doesn’t truly manifest while feigning dumb.

Nowhere does your Benin dictionary say or imply that “oghene” must have Osa before it refers to God.

Instead Osa in Benin literally means God, while oghene is an attribute of that God.

The “unchangeable” or the “ irreplaceable” are both attributes of God. “Oghene” as such is in reference to God. This word also means the King of Ife. This word apart from referring to the king of Ife and God also sometimes refer to a piece of kola — all in Bini lingua.

However, the Benin dictionary added the last detail that: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words the Bini word, “oghene” [regardless of how ever it is used in Bini language] originally comes from the Yoruba language, viz. the word “Ooni”.

It is not my fault that your ancestors of old viewed the Ooni (king of Ife) as some kind of God.

samuk:

Not matter what you write East will always be East, it can never become West as you which.

Yes east is east if literal/geographical description is the subject.

But, literal geographical description wasn’t the subject when your obas were directing prayers to Yorubaland (on the geographical west) and yet facing the rising-sun at dawn (on the geographical east).

In sum, Ile-Ife is reverentially known (from Atakpame to your kingdom; from Lagos to Oyo-Ile) as the place from where dawn [sun-rise] comes; regardless of the fact that Ile-Ife lies somewhere in the center of these four corners. Sorry!

You dictionary definition of Ogene is on fire, go back and read it and this ensure you fully understand what you read before rushing out with a reply.

Non-deluded people, the majority here have, read it; and have seen that it points out two things.

(1) It gave the three definitions of the Bini word “oghene” (in order of popularity of usage); the 2nd of which is the King of Ife.

(B) It also gave the etymology of the word “oghene”, viz. “oghene” comes from the Yoruba word “Ooni”

You exhibit all attributes of delusions. You are healed today in the name of whatever you believe in,

Amen!

samuk:
You are right. The so called Ife kingdom only exists on paper, outside few Bronzes that were discovered there, nothing else.

Show me one Benin bronze that matches an Ife bronzes in beauty. Bring one from Benin, I’d bring one from Ife. Deal?

Show me anywhere (except Ife) in the whole of black Africa where primary glass was ever manufactured in classical times.

Shown me the place (except Ife) in the whole of the Guinea where other West-Africans (from BurkinaFaso, Timbuktu, et al.) ever regard as the greatest.

It must be Awolowo causing all this? Do you agree you’re deluded or you still don’t agree?

Peace!

samuk:
[s]No, you are the deluded one. That dictionary has 3 meanings for Ogene.

1. Supreme God when Ogene is joined with Osa as in Ogene-osa.

2. Name of Ooni of Ife

3. A piece of kola

The dictionary clearly make the distinctions as seen above. Ogene in that dictionary only means God when Osa is added as in Ogene-osa, not on it's own, on it's own it either means Ooni or a piece of kola, it doesn't mean God. On it's own Ogene or Ooni mean a piece of kola not God

Anyone familiar with the dictionary knows that a word could have different meanings in the dictionary.

Go back and read the dictionary when you are sober, not everyone is as gullible as you and your followers.

You thought, you got away with this. You have been caught red handed again.[/s]

Deluded people usually don’t agree with everyone else in the world. It must be that there is conspiracy against them or something. So get a grip. You are plain deluded.

Now to the word and the definitions as given by your own dictionary.

The Benin dictionary did two things:
(A) It gave the three (3) definitions of the Bini word “oghene” (in order of popularity of usage) and the 2nd of which is the King of Ife.

(B) It also gave the etymology of the word “oghene”, viz. oghene comes from the Yoruba word Ooni.

You exhibit all attributes of delusions. You are healed today in the name of whatever you believe in, Amen!

Oh okay, I get. You’re not sure if you will read a book. No problem. It’s a Bini thing. We continue here.

KingOKON:
[s]Shit is when you LIE more than the DEVIL!
where is your Ijebu KING that couldn't tell the Europeans of an immortal King in 1400 but the Oba of the Benin Empire did?[/s]

And who said he didn’t? Olodo.

To educate you (only that you won’t read) in the late-1400s alone, two different Portuguese got these information about the Ogané & Hooguanee.

Of these the two Portuguese, one reached both Benin city as well as the capital city of Ijebu in the late 1400s.

The reports were published in the early 1500s and mid-1500s (Hooguanee and Ogané respectively).

Moreover, others (such as the Spanish, et al. followed in subsequent centuries) to obtain some information about this powerful monarch who overlords Benin, et al. and their kings.



Cheers!

KingOKON:
Your mouth run faster than your brain

Thanks for proving that you’re incapable of mustering an intelligent reply in relation to the subject at hand.

We’re talking here of your own Benin Dictionary.

Dictionary of Bini Language by H. Melzian, University of London.

Published by Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner & Co Ltd.

You are clinically deluded. Delusions can not get huger than this, lad. Or can it?

samuk:
[s]Everything Benin that was written between 1897 and 1960 had Yoruba input. This was the days of western region, Yoruba was heavily involved in trying to Yorubanised the entire western region.[/s]

This is capital letter CRAP!

Prove your self-consoling assumption with the specific facts that says so.

You can’t simply pull sh*t out of your anus and expect it to be accepted because you’re obese. Haha.

Peace!