UGBE634:
[s]I can see you are a clown, wake me up when you see an excerpt on Edo(bini) villages raided, burnt and its inhabitants carted away, haba! even if lion injure, dog still know he mate[/s]

The whole area was captured and slave-raided.

Where are the Benin armies?

I know it’s very sad and difficult to process.

But E pain you die!

Were you rooting for Trump in the last US elections, because it takes a special type of living-in-denial to see and deny what you saw.

Anyways, I can imagine the trauma you went through on reading those screenshots, or did you read it?

UGBE634:
The excerpt did not talk about any bini villages that was captured or its inhabitants sold

(1) The whole area suffered raids from Yorubas and later Nupes as well as Yorubas too.

(2) The Nupes NOT ONLY carried off slaves, they ALSO planted representatives to collect tributes and remit it to Nupeland

(3) The Yorubas seem not to have gone that far, and simply limited themselves to basic slave-raiding, etc.

(4) It is your duty to now inform us that the Edo slaves were simply sacrificed to Yoruba deities in Ibadan, Ilorin, and Ilesha; rather than sold to the Americas.

(5) But the science of Genetics have confirmed anyways that the Edo slaves were indeed sold to the Americas.

It took 400 years for them to leverage on Genetics to map their way back home to Benin kingdom.

It hurts. I understand.

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KingOKON:
Oonis descended from Oduduwa who came out from a ward 4 in Osun state I was thinking of reading Johnson's book not until some here just sent me this Oduduwa is sham, Ooni is custodian of the sham

We can therefore conclude from your laughable screenshot and comment that:

Ewuare-2 is the irredeemable dullard who NOT ONLY accepted the sHaM, BUT ALSO insisted adamantly that the sHaM is his own forefather.

Ewuare-2 therefore is the dumbest piglet ever liveth.

Agree or AGREE!

davidnazee:
[s]Poor you, nobody cares about your rubbish.. everyone knows the sorry plight of the Yorubas; conquered, sold as slaves, almost destroyed themselves using Edo guns and canons..You cannot hide from the weak history of your ancestors.. i know its the shame that is causing the inferiority and argumentative personality u are suffering from.[/s]

What a pity! I know that video must have moved you to tears. You’ve tried all kinds of baby reverse psychology to stop me from exposing your sorry HiStOrY. I ain’t stopping kid.

Binis fought Binis and reduced Benin City to ruins? YES.

Yorubas conquered, captured, and sold Binis? YES

Enslaved Binis were too dumb and too weak to demand repatriation? YES

samuk:
[s]I saw your eyewitness reference to Benin country and great Benin.

Please could you also show us the earliest eyewitness reference to Ooni as the leader of the Yoruba people[/s]

Itsekiris: “We are Yoruba and proud ”

Binis: “No! You should be Bini. Pleaeaeaeaease “
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Can someone please define “insecurity” for me I want to check something?

davidnazee:
Typical yoruba.. na una be this.
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Haha! Finally, a screenshot which confirms my video of Edo’s 21^st century return back home to Benin.

In other words, the enslaved Edos whom the Yorubas sold were too weak to demand freedom & repatriation back to Africa until 400 years later.

The enslaved Edos remained slaves in the Americas for 400 years. It took their descendants to leverage on the science of Genetics in order to map their way back home to Benin kingdom as the video below shows.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

See also:
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Cheers!

The earliest known eyewitness accounts collected from the Itsekirs by their European contacts do attest to their Yoruba origin, root, and heritage.

(1) Quoting from the eyewitness account of Captain H. L. Gallwey in his “Journeys in the Benin Country”:

“Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.”
Reference:
H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127.

(2) Quoting from H. Ling Roth’s (1903) report obtained from the eyewitnesses of the late 1800s:

“In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.”
Reference:
H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9.

(3) Itsekiris duly present at their Yoruba-Oduduwa rally at Ibadan a couple of days ago.

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Cheers!

KingOKON:
When the Ooni foundation is fallacious how can the Ooni be what he claims he is

Ewuare-2 never claimed to be an Ooni. He only said the Oonis are his forefathers.

Do you still still strongly believe that Ewuare-2 is an irredeemable dullard?

KingOKON:
Anytime anyday Fish brain is fish brain,

Ewuare-2 have suffered.

KingOKON:
Receive sense Receive sense...Oduduwa the father of Oranmiyan are feel good stories for children

Have you taken your grievances to the hut (sorry) to the palace of Ewuare-2???

Tell him you disbelieve in the existence of his forefathers

KingOKON:
The only constant here is, those who believes in the tales by moonlight story of Oduduwa, the Conqueror of the mangod Obatala are nothing but fish brains If Oduduwa is a fairytale so is the lover boy Ooni of Ife Where is my pipe, feel like puffing some tobacco
Yeye de smell...

I’m sure you’ve escaped from Edo state before typing all these.

Otherwise I don’t see how you will have the guts to tag Omonoba Ewuare-2 as a fish brain

KingOKON:
Size of an Atom far better than Oduduwas that don't have any brain at all, at all....hehohehoheho
Yeye de smell bad bad

You said Ewuare-2 has a fish brain.

Now-now again you’ve changed mouth to say he has no brain at all.

Ewuare-2 will eventually sacrifice you to Ososomoye with how you’re exposing him on Nairaland pages.

KingOKON:
Na! The only fish brains in town are the believers in Oduduwa the conqueror of gods....yeye de smell

You mean Ewuare-2 is not ONLY a dullard but ALSO a fish-brain individual. Wow!

Is it safe to conclude then that his subjects Benin slaves have brains only the size of an atom???

E.g. @KingOKON with the wonderfully-low IQ.

KingOKON:
Bobrisky still talking

Okon with the wonderfully-low IQ:

Did Ewuare-2 eventually agree with you that he is the latest Bini dullard in town???

UGBE634:
[s]That fraud is a common thing in Yoruba land is not in doubt, your Oba is on front page and he is arrested for fraud. That your women with eniola-badmus like shape with the libido of an animal to boot are the most unfaithful in relationship is not in doubt. That marriage is not even a restraint is not in doubt. That the yorubas are the most imbecilic coneheaded slowpoke in Nigeria is not in doubt.

To address the issue of population you raised, that we are the majority in Edo state is not in doubt. That we are the most traveled minority in Nigeria is also not in doubt, that a sincere census will shock you guys is also not in doubt. That in the last election in Edo state, diaspora voting was thoroughly thought of is also not in doubt. That the guys in Edo have since traveled and bridge the gap in education et all is also not in doubt. That DR DON PEDRO OBASEKI said that his family unit is over hundred thousand is also not in contention on arise tv. That his family is not even among the oldest in Edo is also not in doubt. that his family is not among the largest in Edo is also not in doubt.[/s]

The minority complex syndrome on full display, as well as a load of the usually expected incoherent jibber-jabber.

See link for an interesting information. Perhaps fraud is indeed a YoRuBa tHanG /s:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-west-african-prince-indicted-20180726-story.html%3foutputType=amp

In addition to this, let’s not even talk again about Erediauwa’s and his sons fraudulent redaction.

davidnazee:
I think your numbers was still larger than ours about 700years ago when we first conquered and then ruled your ancestors for a 700years.. u had the numbers and we had the power..

Oh, he finally did!

So, “two”!

Fifty-eight more repetitions to go in order to convert lies to truth.

You can do this.

davidnazee:
I ljust love history... it gives me bragging rights over you for life.. your only option is to be an argumentative person which u are already suffering from and i love that na we cause am for u..

You didn’t repeat the Benin lie this time around.

I wish you did, I would have informed you that you have 58 more repetitions to go in order to convert Benin lie to truth.

davidnazee:
I know u are embarrassed by records that says; the Edo people of Benin kingdom conquered and ruled the yoruba people..
Too bad and embarrassing for you the records are not going anywhere..

One!

Fifty-nine more repetitions to go in order to convert lies to truth.

You can do this.

davidnazee:
500 or 500k, we still remain greater than Yorubas.. our greatness wasn't born out of dreams or fairytales.. we achieved it through conquests of mostly the yorubas..

Type the following statements 60 times each, and I promise you they will change to truth:

(1) “We [are] ... greater than Yorubas”

(2) “We achieved [greatness] ... through conquests of ... the Yorubas”

60 times each let’s go, I’ll be counting for you.

Cheers!

davidnazee:
Do you know that we Edos have always believed that we are greater and powerful than the Yorubas? Its a belief we have had for over a 1000 years and continue to.
so all the rubbish you and your likes post doesn't change a thing..
Edo remains EDORODION over the Yorubas

Even a snail perhaps believes within itself that its “horns” are stronger than a ram’s.

Self-consoling reactive beliefs are welcome.

KingOKON:
Ears but no ears, eyes but no eyes.

He has done it again.

Okon with the wonderfully-low IQ.

KingOKON:

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Exactly! We’re all ears.

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KingOKON:
••• and I specialize in talking rubbish

We already know.

Tell us what we don’t know, oh you OKON with the wonderfully-low IQ.

KingOKON:
Original Playboy turns Ooni whose ancestors fought spirits from heaven, believe this you believe any shit

You mean any shit like Mr. Idu growing out from the ground in Edo state???

AreaFada2:
My brother, that she-male called TUEH or whatever is his name. He is a Yaba Left character, highly irrational and suffers from severe delusion of grandeur.
Don't waste your precious time with him except to[/s]

AreaDullard 2 of Benin kingdom! By the way who is AreaDullard 1? Could that be Okon? Because he has a wonderfully-low IQ just like yours.

post for rational but silent readers.

I will debunk any Benin lie found on this thread as I always do. And I would do so with evidence.

Benin Empire was a highly meritocratic society.

Em-kini If I hear empire I will stone you shit.

You want to turn African history into a joke by calling Benin an empire. Ruling a couple of surrounding Edo villages is NOT the definition of empire.

Artisans who distinguished themselves in war (or other endeavours important to the nation) were even elevated to nobility rank. Examples include Evian who became the interregnum administrator, Ode, who became Iyase Ode, Ogbeide Oyoo (from Anioma) for whom Oba Ovonramwen created the title Obaseki and rising to Iyase (Prime Minister) under the British.

I give you a pass mark here. But they are all still slaves of the Oba — they are not members of his family from Ife.

Every Benin person (including Oba's children and siblings) is Oba's servant and if they choose to call it slave, so be it. The British call it Queen's subjects, but tribalists only have issue with Benin matter.

The actual word in the Benin contexts is not “servant,” neither is it “subject,” it is called “slave” — S-L-A-V-E .

However, the members of his family are not his slaves like you the general populace. Yes they are his subject, but the term slave is reserved for you natives whom the Ife son met on ground.

@ Davidnazee, Benin do not call it oriki per say but Benin being very open people

Open to be force-fed with the Yoruba language by your Yoruba masters from Ife? LMAO!

who expanded East and West, only normal that we know other people far better.

Expan-kini ??

Expanded to ‘west’? Yet those whom you allegedly expanded to dominate were imposing their words on you instead of the other way round. Expanded ko, contracted ni

Oh okay! Expanded to cover some surrounding Edo villages. Got it.

In Benin each family has praise name (uwanmwen) depending on ancestral line.
Ogiso descendants-Delaiso
Eweka I descendants-Lamogun
Oliha Descendants-Laogele
Iyase Descendants-Lavbieze. Iyase is non-hereditary prime minister and changes salutation to lavbieze if not lavbieze before appointment. His descendants do so henceforth. So Lavbieze greeters may not be all related.

Well, you forgot to include some orikis (praise titles) of your oba — his Yoruba orikis to be precise, some of which are:

(1) Ọba (”OBA”), (2) Àdìmúlà (”ADIMILA” [sic]), (3) Õṣà-[Ì]kejì (”O SAKEJI” [sic]).

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Reference: Richard. E. Dennett; “At The Back of the Black Man’s Mind”: Or Notes on the Kingly Office in West Africa; London, Macmillan and Co., Limited (The New York Macmillan Company); 1906, p. 181.

Cheers!

UGBE634:
I believe Eredieuwa who was born in 1923 should know better about his line than you a slimy bastard from oshogbo. besides he is far more educated than any of his ancestors with a first degree and masters in law from Cambridge University. And with education you know can't be easily deceived I will take his account over his ancestors

Oh you believe Erediauwa who was born in 1923. But you don’t believe his father (Akenzua-2) and his grand father (Eweka-2) — and their predecessors — because they all were suffering from collective amnesia.

Oh! Or because Erediauwa lived before them and was closer to the distant past than them. LMAO!

Also, you chose to NOT believe the historians of African history who agree with these predecessors, while also debunking Erediauwa’s 1970s fiction as being rooted in inferiority complex.

It must be a really tough job defending the modern day Benin forgery.

fregeneh:
and those fable and beer parlour gist put together by Bini paternal/maternal story teller were the ones that are not bias ??

Those Bini e-rats actually have no single clue regarding what has been going on under their noses.

KingOKON:
Anyone and Everyone who believes in Oduduwa fairytale falls in the above category

Dear Bini dullards (gregyboy, AreaFada2, UGBE634, Fezz, et al.):

Do you all agree with Okon with the wonderfully-low IQ that the man in the picture below is the latest Benin dullard in town???

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Thank you for your anticipated and honest replies.

Kind Regards,
Tao

KingOKON:
[s]Anyone who believes in Oduduwa fables is a Numbskull[/s]

So, is your oba Ewuare-2 an irredeemable dullard ? Yes or Yes?

And why do you think Ewuare-2 is a dullard?

KingOKON:
Hehe, anyone that believes in Oduduwa is more than a dullard

Wonderful! So, Oba Ewuare-2 is a dullard?

Okay, why is he a dullard?

KingOKON:
That the fact you believe in Oranmiyan, Oduduwa that have all manner of fallacies with no concrete evidence tells how intelligent you are

Your oba said Oranmiyan & Oduduwa are his fore-fathers.

Is there any reason why you think your Oba (Ewuare-2) is an irredeemable dullard ?

KingOKON:
[s]ODUDUWA
I will stick to the Ife version of this Great myth because, I am yet to read the book of Samuel Johnson and a critical review of the general situation of the yorubas at that time will really help in understanding his frame of mind and his work.

Having being a good reader of Greeks, Roman and European history, I personally believed he wanted a unifying factor in the make of a Alexander the great, Julius Ceaser etc for the Yoruba's, Oduduwa fits in perfectly. He wrote the book at a time most Yoruba domains were up in arms against one another and coincidentally several years back this same situations led to the emergence of Oduduwa, who battled a spirit man Obatala, and emerged victorious leading to the unification of Yoruba land.

ORANMIYAN
The son of Oduduwa and the grandfather of the god of thunder, Sango whom Bobrisky says his no fiction. Well the Emperor of Japan claims they descended from the SUN bet we all know better how men after turning leaders of men try to ascribe themselves all manners of godlike attributes to their ancestry.

I wish periods and time could be apportioned these figures one could have seen how mythical all these beliefs are but I wonder, if the ward where Oduduwa is said to have originated from is known then this shouldn't be issue, but alas!

It is with no doubt that when Samuel Johnson was up and about his book, Benin Kingdom was well known in Europe and the craftsmanship it offered. The British in particular who exiled the Oba in 1897 to Calabar, prior to this time never spoke of any greater chief or kingdom West of Benin, had their been any it would have been well documented. Instead a calculated raid of the territory was schemed out just to justify the looting of the kingdom. Ife or Oyo would have been raided if they had anything the British wanted, but the Chiefs and land offered nothing.

Why the controversy over Lagos and not a controversy over any part of Benin kingdom?
In the first place why a debate if it never was so? The interior of present Lagos may have had inhabitants of the Yoruba stock but not the shorelines and the lands about it, every man were subject to the Oba even the Portuguese and to deal with the Oba before any transaction was carried out with a third party. This practice was done by most kings of the coastal states, their territory was a no-no to Europeans until the ganging up against African kings culminating in the partition of Africa.
The exile of the Oba to Calabar gave Britain control of Lagos, Oduduwa is nothing but myth, Oranmiyan is mythical and Lagos for over 200years was under the Obas control[/s]

A heap of words which fails to address even one line from the comment against which it was directed, and also fails to have one line of itself substantiated by a single academic historical material is as good as a well imagined lengthy NollyWood Script.

Here thus is another corroboration of the well-known fact that OKON does indeed have a wonderfully-low IQ

Cc: nisai, gomojam