jaephoenix:

He has dodged finally
I know Muslims are reading this and know what a clueless dude you are. Next time, read that your clueless Bible properly before jumping out to attack Muslims. Your Babble even said to remove the log in your eyes before looking at the speck in another person's eye

My Babble said what!?
Clowns of the same father!

jaephoenix:

Hehehehe lol 😆
What truth did I avoid?
Lame ass excuse

Your conscience (if you still have one) is your judge

jaephoenix:

Maybe you have comprehension issues. Lemme rephrase…
Both the Bible and Quran are error-strewn books. So there are no grounds for Christians to castigate Muslims, vice versa.
So asking me if a particular verse in the Hadith is legit, is useless.
My point is Christians commenting in this thread and pointing at the Quran is dvmb since the Bible itself is poorly written with errors and lies

I don't respect people who avoid the truth!
Have a nice day

jaephoenix:

I'm not here to defend the Muslims. You know I'm an atheist. The point I'm tryna make is that you have no grounds to attack the Muslims based on how flawed their book is, when in fact, your own book is also a sorry mess

It is glaringly obvious that You are here to defend Muslims!

The question I asked was simple and direct based on their hadith.

For your information, the hadith from www.sunnah.com was:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators


The Muslims say that according to this hadith:
The Babygirl would not enter the fire but the midwife who buried her.

According to you who claim to be impartial, Is this a TRUE statement from the hadith?

Great100000:
Ibadan funfair tragedy: Tinubu orders probe as Ooni’s ex-queen detained, deaths rise.

• Survivors narrate ordeal, hospitals release corpses, Tinubu, Ooni, others mourn


Source: https://punchng.com/ibadan-funfair-tragedy-tinubu-orders-probe-as-oonis-ex-queen-detained-deaths-rise/

The bottom line is gross POVERTY among the people!

Free food and Free gifts mixed with hope


I pray that God consoles the affected families!

budaatum:


You are, by the way, no different from isis boko haram jihadists.

They too force their warped ideology on others in the name of saving them.

I just wonder how a hopeless mass of stardust meat becomes a moral police.
According to the rule of your master "the prince of this world", what does it matter to you?

I understand why you came to bail out your fellow from another mother and it is amusing!


For your information, the hadith was:

Prophet Mohammad said:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators

The Muslims say that according to this hadith:
The Babygirl would not enter the fire but the midwife who buried her.
Birds of the same feather!

budaatum:


Thankfully, buda is not subject to you nor need your protection from your imaginary boogey god, and will have you arrested for kidnapping buda.

And to be honest, I do fear for the children you might go on to have, for I can just about see you doing this in your god's name.

I think you should fear for your existence now and later.
The fact that I do my best that you would not perish does not mean that you don't have your will.
Exercise your will because you have understanding and not because you are ignorant!

Birds of the same family!

budaatum:


I'm very certain you say this only because you have died and met you imaginary maker and come back to tell buda about it.

If you knew your god existed your entire heart would be full of love for your Nairaland neighbours instead of the hatred you have shown in this thread to those who believe in a different book to your own.

The definition of Love is certainly not agreeing that Evil, Deception and Spiritual Sickness befall those around us.

A person who claims to love but watch his neighbour enter into destruction is the worst human in existence.

Buda, in the name of Love I will do as much as tie you up to prevent you from eating Poison from your enemy!
FYI: those who think I should be passive to your case are in union with this enemy!

budaatum:


The 13.7 billion years is speculative. Those who came up with it admit as much, so it is rather ignorant for one to believe what those who propose it don't believe. But then, that is not unusual for many.

Says Buda, the professor of Astronomy who seems not to realise that he is the one throwing wild baseless speculations as fact!

budaatum:

A bridge is built based on calculations, and you believe the bridge will stand based on those calculations. The calculations themselves are not "sets of beliefs", but empirically tested mathematical evidence based on bridges that have been built and that still stand. You never know if the bridge will stand until you've actually built and tested it.

Buda doesn't seem to understand that parameters and not figures set the rules of engineering beliefs.

budaatum:

Humans who live by beliefs are ignorant.

-Says Buda who sleeps while making plans for the next day!
-Says Buda who boards a plane believing that the Pilot is well trained to fly the plane
-Says Buda who accepts Doctors prescription and diagnosis without having to learn his own medicine
-Says Buda who believes in evolution despite never witnessing a single species evolving into another

Indeed, is Buda calling himself Human who doesn't know he lives by Believing?

budaatum:

And that is what you would one day do, I hope. Instead of asking me to provide you with evidence, which is you just asking me to preach and spoonfeed you, you will do your own research so that you actually know. And then, greater things will you indeed do than you currently are doing.

And I hope that one day, you will not use yourself as your own standard of Belief for this is the greatest of all sin. This is Independence from the Source of Existence! At death Buda shall truely KNOW that he had believed using the "wrongest" set of criteria!

correctguy101:


Maybe so the mother can breastfeed the baby 🙄😁

I just dey confused or na insomnia cause am?

Crazy musulmen... 🤣

Smh

LOL!
Best answer so far!
Blood and Sweat did not reveal this to you but Jibril or Mohammed himself!
LOL!

budaatum:


You equate beliefs to be the same as factual evidence based knowledge. Things that I believe are things I am not certain or sure of or have not checked and indeed "have no iota of foundational basis" for. One does not "likely" "claim". The fact I said "likely", which was intentional, shows it is indeed speculative. You must please call me very ignorant if I make a "claim" about what might have happened 13.7 billion years ago.

This 13.8 billion years was actually based on calculations sir!
All humans live by sets of belief systems.

This is why you can board a plane believing that the Pilot is qualified to fly the plane. You believe that the plane wouldn't crash on the way.

Except you don't know what it means to have a Belief!

budaatum:

I may for instance, believe I have a billion pounds in my bank account, but as soon as I check my bank balance I would have immense foundational basis of evidence and would need to stop believing and instead know whether I have a billion pounds in my bank account or not. Hopefully, you can see how ignorant I would need to be to be arguing how much is in my bank account without actually checking in order to have foundational basis of evidence.

This isn't belief but insanity.

Every belief is based on having good reasons to take a particular position and a reasonable statistical probability that your position is correct.

What reasons will make you believe you have a billion pounds in your account? If you can neither give a good reason or having a reasonable statistical probability for such, your claim is just a wish.

budaatum:

If I claim to "believe" in the existence of God, I would be saying I am not certain there is God. Its one reason I get to laugh at believers. If I were them, I would know my God exists and live accordingly. And I would expect to be burnt on the spot if I dare not love my neighbour.

Coming from a person who doesn't know God nor believe in Him, you have no idea.

This is why you wouldn't know the difference between Belief and Faith!

The knowledge of God is never Absolute because no one can fully comprehend God enough to fully know Him.

budaatum:

Evolution is not speculative biology! There is sufficient evidence out there to show that humans evolved, and you asking for evidence is just lazy of you, since you can very easily educate yourself with Google. In fact, if you read your Bible starting from the beginning and go page by page to the very end you'd even see brimstone and fire God evolving into gentle and meek Jesus Christ, but I do understand that believers find that as hard to comprehend as threading a camel through the eye of a needle. Its the same difficult you are experiencing in evolving your understanding of your own subject in this thread. I mean, do you really believe anyone believes they are going to hell for anything? How about for not loving one's neighbour? Would your god give you a waiver for hating your Muslim neighbours?

All you need to do is to show how a species evolved into another species and you would prove that evolution biology is not speculative.

Evolution of species in biology takes place supposedly over millions of years.

budaatum:


The fact is, even you admit that something big must have made something go bang. You call it God, while I say you are filling a gap of ignorance.

Even if you don't want to call the Prime mover of the Universe by the title God, it is impossible to escape the fact based on the laws of nature that an Uncaused First-Cause of Everything is the origin of everything.

Why?
Change only occurs when there is a cause and it is impossible to have an infinite regress of cause and effect
If you understand this alone, you will stop all your rejection of God as the alternative does not make sense.

budaatum:


Typical believer question, thinking everyone must believe something like they do.

I do not have beliefs about the age of the universe! It was so long ago that having beliefs about it that even those who propose an age call speculative is just ignorant.

Its like believing the first human being was Adam even though the Bible that makes that claim states clearly that before Adam was the creation of both male and female in God's image, and the evidence shows humans evolved from previous humanoids, just as the universe likely evolved from a previous state.

Only normal humans have beliefs not based just on their feelings.

But you have clearly shown that even though you claim not to have beliefs, you make plans for short term and long term periods. Meaning that you probably don't understand what it means to have beliefs!

Note your inconsistencies:
You claim not to have beliefs yet
1. You speak of humans evolving from previous humanoids,.. borrowing from you, is evolution not a speculative biology ?
2. You claim that universe likely evolved from a previous state....is this another speculative conclusion?
What are your evidences for these two statements above or I put it to you that your beliefs have no iota of foundational basis!

How do you call a student who doesn't have any idea about the solution to a problem but is the greatest "rejector" of other people's solutions?

jaephoenix:

Lol 😆
Bro don dodge
Anyway, at least folks have seen youre clueless in your attack of Muslims

I asked you a basic question on the hadith in question only for you to attempt to change the discussion without answering my question.
You are free to create your own topic otherwise, get off this thread!

advocatejare:

Yeah, it was for AntiChristian. He lied as usual that you fled when every evidence shows that he was the one that fled

Don't mind him.

Like their father the devil, so they are with respect to lies!

jaephoenix:

Maybe you have to pay more attention to your Bible than Quran

Lemme re list the verses in the Bible that clearly states that babies are born sinful. I have posted them before but it looks like you can't concentrate

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned

Romans 3:23
for all(including babies and adults) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Job 14:4,
“Who can produce someone clean from someone unclean? No one can!”

Psalm 51:5,
“Look! I was born guilty of error (sin), And my mother conceived me in sin.”

So from the above verses, are babies sinless or not? And what is the reward for sin?
So imagine a baby dies soon after birth. Where does the Bible say such babies go to?
Again I'm not asking of your view. I'm asking for THE BIBLE VIEW

Sorry!
Open your own thread or answer my question!

It's your call!

Mr advocatejare
I believe the above was for Antichristian!

LOL!
He indeed fled the scene!
Not all lies are defendable!

honesttalk21:


I call your attention to Sunan Abi Dawood 2521 for you to comprehend Sunan Abi Dawood 4717 properly.
Do you accept one and reject the other?

In your usual confused desperation you go on to bring another hadith from Muslim? For what? Supporting your misunderstanding?

Aisha, the wife of Prophet Muhammad, expressed her sorrow at the funeral of a child from the Ansar, who had not committed any sins. The Prophet Muhammad emphasized Allah's divine wisdom in determining the ultimate fate of individuals, highlighting the concept of divine predestination (Qadr) in Islam. This narration emphasizes the importance of trusting in Allah's decree and wisdom, even in challenging situations, and the belief in divine justice, as Allah's decisions are rooted in His infinite knowledge and perfect justice.

You are overtly overbearing and want to lay claim to knowledge beyond you? Is this under the inspiration of Satan? Why not live God to be the ultimate and strive to be of those he is pleased with and enjoy his favour.

I quoted Muslim to show you that Babies in Islam can go to hell. Thus, it cannot be strange that Allah decree that murdered babies shall also be in hell

BTW:
Can you translate accurately for me the phrase:
"الْوَائِدَةُ وَالْمَوْءُودَةُ فِي النَّارِ."


Is it UNTRUE that Destiny in Islam shows that we cannot escape what is written for us good or bad?

honesttalk21:

Does inheriting the Sin of an ancient ancestor you nor your great grand parents ever new in person appear to be just to you? Explain to yourself how and be sure you are so free of it you don't pass it on to your children born and unborn even if you get off it.

I challenge you to show me any verse in the bible that says we inherit the sins of our ancestors!


A person can inherit the consequences of the sins of his ancestors BUT not the sin.
Just to prove it:
-According to Islam, every descendant of Adam is on Earth and not Paradise because of the sin of Adam.
-A woman who commit an unsuccessful abortion may cause grivious damage to her unborn child.
-A child whose father was executed for being an armed robber may grow up fatherless and with a negative stigma as long as he lives.

Are these true even in Islam?

The punishment for sin is eternity in hell even though consequences may progress along the generations unborn.

The wages of sin is death!
People who commit sin go to the lake of fire!
Babies don't commit sin: for theirs is the kingdom of God.

jaephoenix:

What is the wages of sin?
Where do sinners go to?

I believe I have told you that if you want to open a new thread, feel free. The issue here is the hadith at stake.

Here is the hadith again.


Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators



Does this hadith say that these murdered babies with their mothers are going to hell?

It is a YES or NO answer!

advocatejare:

Opuro jatijati ni AntiChristian, he has emulated Al-Makireena, the best of the deceivers!

Jesus described the situation perfectly

John 3:19:
"And this is the condemnation, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil."

This person coming in his own name is obviously Mohammed
John 5:43:
"I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive."

By the fruit of lies of Muslims, we know the spirit who controls their existence. This is how they would deceive themselves into hell fire.

advocatejare:

A very valid question. I hope antichristian was able to give a sensible answer this time?

He didn't o!
He tried to tell a lie that the phrase
"the girl who is buried alive"
actually mean
"the woman who buried the girl"

He had fled since I broke down the Arabic script to him (assuming his English is faulty)

budaatum:


The fact that you mentioned the age of the earth to be 13.7 billion years old is you speaking about the big bang, since that is the proposed date for it.

Here is some learning for you.

What existed before the Big Bang?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-what-existed-before-the-big-bang

Note the bit where it says "speculative physics". As in, they don't know but think that is what might have existed and happened. No scientist would tell you they believe it to be true since they have no evidence for it.

Point of correction:
I never said that the earth was 13.8billion years old. I said the universe is 13.8billion years old.

The point I am making is this:
You made your point that you don't believe the 13.8billion year age of the universe as "speculated" by scientists
Thus I ask
1. What is your belief about the age of the universe?
2. What is your source of authority.

Without an authority, how can we know that your beliefs aren't based on ramblings of personal feelings?

I other words, you have given no iota of reasons for anyone to trust your beliefs either with respect to God, Religion or even Science. Anyone can have any opinion about anything and it's just another random opinion with no value!

89green:
Jesus is not God is the biggest truth of all time. I like their style, they displayed the banner for a while and then removed it, if you are wise you will understand that God is one and not 3, Jesus is not God.

No wonder that the Oneness of Allah is not different from the oneness of Iblis!

Just check: not one difference!

rolams:
I have promised not to reply you again.

Then you will knowingly go to hell fire!


I am a Warner to you sir!

When you adopt the Truth, the Truth will set you Free!

rolams:


From your own meaning right?

Why can't you quote the verses from verse 66 to verse 72. Ok. Let me help you.

19:66
Sahih International
And the disbeliever says, "When I have died, am I going to be brought forth alive?"


19:67
Sahih International
Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?

19:68
Sahih International
So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees.

19:69
Sahih International
Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.

19:70
Sahih International
Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.

19:71
Sahih International
And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed

19:72
Sahih International
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.



Are those men who believed when they are dead won't be brought to live for judgement Muslims?

See the analysis of AI

AI Overview
In the Quran, Surah Maryam (Chapter 19), verses 66 to 72 discuss the theme of human disbelief in the afterlife, particularly the question of resurrection after death, where the disbeliever doubts if they will be brought back to life after dying, while the overall message is that everyone will face judgement and the righteous will be saved while the wrongdoers will be left in Hellfire; this theme is central to this passage and is a key point of discussion in Islamic theology.
Key points about verses 19:66-72:
Question of resurrection:
Verse 66 directly addresses the disbelief of man who asks, "When I am dead, will I be brought back to life again?".
Reminder of creation:
Verse 67 counters this doubt by reminding humans that God created them from nothing, emphasizing His power to resurrect them.
Gathering in Hell:
Verses 68-70 describe how all disbelievers will be gathered around Hell, with the worst offenders from each group being singled out.
Inevitability of facing Hell:
Verse 71 states that "there is none of you but will come to it" meaning everyone will pass through Hell, though the righteous will not be harmed.
Salvation of the righteous:
Verse 72 concludes by stating that God will save the pious and leave the wrongdoers in Hell.

Why do you Muslims choose to follow obvious lies

Verse 71 is clear:
Is it UNTRUE that All Muslims and all evildoers would be in the fire

Is it TRUE that Verse 71 says that Muslims wouldn't be harmed by the fire? Of course not!

Here is a Tafsir by Ibn Abbas on verse 71

Tafsir Qur'an 19.71 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place.

According to your prophet, the only exclusion are the prophets and messengers of Allah.


Can you explain this phrase in verse 71:
It is a fixed Decree of your Lord
Is this not speaking of the slave of Allah?

So, my questions still persist
1. Why do you think you will first have to go into hell fire before you are freed by Allah?
2. How long do you think you will be in the fire before Allah comes to free you: 1000 years!?

honesttalk21:


Sunan Abi 2521

Narrated Hasana’ daughter of Mu‘awiyah: She reported on the authority of her paternal uncle: I asked the Prophet pbuh: Who are in Paradise? He replied: Prophets are in Paradise, martyrs are in Paradise, infants are in Paradise and children buried alive are in Paradise.

Is it then untrue that
According to Sunan Abi Dawud 4717 the exception seems to be babies who are buried by their mothers.
So, we can say that all Muslim babies should go to paradise (which is another UNTRUE statement according to your prophet) EXCEPT those who were buried alive.

honesttalk21:

Quran 17:23
And do not kill your offspring for fear of poverty. We sustain them as well as you. Verily killing them is a capital sin.

We can understand that all murderers are committing capital sins. The question is are the murdered babies also committing capital sins by being killed by their mothers?

honesttalk21:

Quran 81:8-9
And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked, For what sin she was killed?

1. The baby will not be in hell. Bare in mind that Allah is the one who absolutely says who goes to hell or paradise.

Why are you so anxious about the future without fulfilling your needs to righteousness in the present?

Your prophet disagree with you
Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators

The baby and the mother who murdered her would enter Hell fire.

honesttalk21:

2. The sinless infant will not go to hell though your belief says every new born child is born with an inherited sin he knows nothing about.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.

Have you finished shedding yourself of the sin you were born into the world with?
I trust you have even acquired many more.

What the Bible teaches is that we inherited a NATURE of SIN. Meaning that just like a pig inherited a NATURE of filth, through Adam, we inherited a NATURE to commit sin. Have you seen where humans have to be taught to sin? Isn't it a second nature to us all? Don't we have to resist sin? Do you think it is easy for the best of us to resist committing sins?

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.
1. Sin entered into this world through Adam
2. Because of this son, all living beings on earth dies
3. All men commit sin:
I challenge you to find me a man who doesn't commit sin?


Asides this:
Babies in Islam cannot be guaranteed paradise according to Mohammed. Don't you believe in the DESTINY of Allah again?

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.


Is this Hadith a Fraud?

rolams:


Go back and read from verse 66 read down to the verse 72 painstakingly. You will understand the people in question.

The verse is simple and direct. It is a guarantee from Allah that ALL Muslims will enter Hell Fire: later Allah will remove you Muslims and leave the evildoers in hell.


Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in Hell Fire.

Quran 19:72
Then, We will save those who were cautious of Us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees

After ALL you Muslims enter the Fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the good Muslims and leave others in the Fire

1. Why do you think you will first have to go into hell fire before you are freed by Allah?
2. How long do you think you will be in the fire before Allah comes to free you: 1000 years!?

rolams:



There so many things you don't know or you deliberately turned against.

Of course, I don't know all things and this is why I ask questions which you Muslims refuse to supply the answer.

Like:
1. Why is Jesus the only Human being who is a co-creator of life with Allah?
2. Why was Jesus born without a human father as I don't know what this has to do with being a prophet?
3. If Jesus wasn't crucified, who was the one crucified
4. It is understandable if Allah Deceived both the Jews and the Romans. Why did Allah Deceived Mary the mother of Jesus and the Apostles of Jesus?




Can you give me two examples of things you think I don't know about Islam?

And
Why is the buried baby girl going to hell fire?

If we served the same God, why must a child convert to Islam from his tribe (Jew)


Sahih al-Bukhari 1356
Narrated Anas:
A young Jewish boy used to serve the Prophet (ﷺ) and he became sick. So the Prophet (ﷺ) went to visit him. He sat near his head and asked him to embrace Islam. The boy looked at his father, who was sitting there; the latter told him to obey Abul-Qasim and the boy embraced Islam. The Prophet (ﷺ) came out saying: "Praises be to Allah Who saved the boy from the Hell-fire."

Islam is a scam!

Here is a Sahih Hadith that Muslims should help us explain as I don't understand.

Prophet Mohammad said:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators

Question:
1. We can understand why the woman who buried her child will go to Hell, can you explain why the baby will also go to Hell?
2. According to you Muslims, every child was born a Muslim. Can you then explain why this "sinless" Muslim child becomes a candidate of hell fire?

If an innocent baby can go to hell in Islam, what hope do Muslims have of al-janna?



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budaatum:


Its a s scientific consensus, as in, what is agreed on, and if you dig further into science you'd find its when "the universe as we know it" began. Science recognises that something must have existed before then for anything to go bang, since bangs don't just occur out of nothing.

Note too that the Big Bang Theory is not the only theory. Choosing one to believe is like choosing a god and disregarding all others.

You will not that I didn't once speak about the Big Bang. Whatever theory you adopted, the maximum age of our universe is still 13.8billion years old. SINGULARITY is not a thing! It isn't matter. It's just a point (no size) where no mathematical, physical or chemical laws are defined.

Note that I didn't just go with my own thinking, I went with the scientific consensus as my authority for my belief.


You think the 13.8billion years is a fiction or just a mere scientific consensus, therefore you must have a better answer.


Mr Buda
What is the likely age of the universe?
What is your source of authority?
Why do you adopt this position?


Unfortunately, your understanding of the basis of the 13.8billion years is abysmal. Otherwise, you will understand that time, mass, energy and the laws of physics and chemistry did NOT exist before this 13.8billion years .

But this is not even the point, just answer my questions

jaephoenix:

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned

Romans 3:23
for all(including babies and adults) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Job 14:4,
“Who can produce someone clean from someone unclean? No one can!”

Psalm 51:5,
“Look! I was born guilty of error (sin), And my mother conceived me in sin.”

I think the time you waste on Nairaland attackng Muslim is better spent reading this your Bible(that you have so poor a knowledge)

Not one of these scripture says babies are going to hell except like satan you want to read something else into it.

BUT, the issue is about the Hadith I quoted and the objections of the Muslims. Open a new thread if your interest is not to discuss this hadith

Here is the hadith again.


Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators



Does this hadith say that these murdered babies with their mothers are going to hell?

It is a YES or NO answer!

budaatum:


Your source alone is evidence. It claims there was a big bang 13.8million years ago, and the universe as is known is suggested to have began. Just that alone shows something must have existed a priori to go bang, since bangs don't happen out of nothing.

That's where some now insert their imaginary gods instead of accepting they don't know and can not possibly know, and is like claiming there's a billion naira in your bank account because you don't know how much you have.

P.s. You are expecting some religious sort of knowledge that you must believe, so I know you can't possibly get your head around actually using it to reason.

Don't change the topic:
You just asserted that the 13.8 billion years ago of the universe is a fiction you can't believe.

So, tell me,
What is your own estimate and by which source do you arrive at it.

I agree ithe the 13.8billion years estimate according to science and the argument make good sense to me.

What is your estimate age of the universe and by what authority do you arrive at the number